Mindless ...
dribble bashing Bruce Arians is not becoming and certainly doesn't indicate "level-headed thinking" or "thoughtful discussion."
13-4. 13-4 with a patchwork offensive line. 13-4 with a patchwork offensive line and stand-in running backs with a different style than the primary. 13-4 with a patchwork offensive line, stand-in running backs with a different style than the primary, and a QB that has not always been on his best game and often injured. 13-4 with a patchwork offensive line, stand-in running backs with a different style than the primary, a QB that has not always been on his best game and often injured, and young WRs who have not always been on their "B" game.
I don't see him getting fired [although in the NFL anything is possible] and I certainly don't think any of what I published above puts him on the fast track to Canton, but I do think it indicates he deserves our respect and certainly should protect him from us prejudging him as a roadblock to Super Bowl nirvana.
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I think questioning the effectiveness of our offense, including the coach who runs it is a perfect example of “level headed thinking”.
Excepting Mediocrity (22nd ranked total offense in the NFL) is not something steeler fans, the steelers front office, or the steelers head coach like to do.
So why shouldn’t we be able to discuss what is broken and what we think could get us to the ultimate goal of a NFL Championship?
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 16, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about me?
Where’s the mindless dribble? I’ve explained in very reasonable ways why we should get rid of him. Respond to the arguments if you disagree with them instead of calling me unreasonable or mindless.
And in response to your arguments, 13-4 with the best defense of the decade, and possibly a top 5 all time defense. 13-4 with a top 5 QB. 13-4 despite having the 22nd ranked offense, the 17th most efficient passing game, the 29th most efficient running game. The offense has nothing to do with the record other than contributing to the losses.
You’re making the case that mediocre is okay. What happens when our DL deteriorates or gets some injuries next year – propelling our defense down to 6th or 7th in the league? If we have the same offensive output, we’d be a wildcard at best, and a quick bounce out of the playoffs. We should be striving to have a top offense AND a top defense, because you never know when injuries or age will decimate one of them.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 16, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
arians future
I’m also going to cut & paste this post from steeler.lifer in another thread. I don’t think it’s nearly as mindless as this fanpost is, actually quite the opposite. Is the new “in vogue” thing to say someone is not “level-headed” when they disagree with you?
I’ve generally agreed with BadMaafala about Arians. I advocated his firing a year ago because I didn’t envision the offense getting better in 08, and that has been the case. The offense was average last year despite a great season from Ben (and others), and has declined into mediocrity most of this season. The kind of performance we saw vs. San Diego just underlines what this team is capable of doing with the ball. Even so, even in the victory, we saw examples of the X’s and O’s of Arians’ playbook not coinciding with the talent those X’s and O’s represent (ie, Carey Davis, not Gary Russell getting the ball at the goal line; Carey Davis, not Mewelde Moore, catching passes out of the backfield). I would disagree with Bad about Heath Miller looking bored; he is just a non-demonstrative player who is criminally under-utilized. Fortunately for us, he doesn’t have the ego of a Jeremy Shockey or Kellen Winslow Jr, and go to the media to whine about it. And I think Nate Washington has improved considerably over the past two years and is now a very reliable and dangerous WR who could end up being one of the heroes this Sunday. He’ll be open all day against the banged up Ravens’ secondary.
Tomlin has shown his leadership publicly and behind the scenes by committing himself to work with the people he has. He has not panicked, he has kept people that he could have fired, he has shown faith in everyone’s ability to get the job done. If they win a Super Bowl, then it can be fairly said that everyone did their job, plus a little more.
But even with a SB ring, I think Tomlin will make some changes. Change is a fact of life and must be embraced, win or lose. QB coach Ken Anderson will be 60 years old next month. Arians is 56. Coach Z might still have to pay the price for his email shenanigans early in the season, and in general being responsible for the worst-performing unit on the team. It might be tough for Tomlin to fire people from a winning team, but there’s always a way to put a different spin on things. Arians might "find" a college opening for his golden years, Anderson could just up and retire.
The job as offensive coordinator would be a huge plum for dozens of capable candidates. For example, I know a little bit about a guy named Kent Austin, a former Ole Miss QB who had playing and coaching success (as an OC and head coach) in the CFL, then did a great job this past season as offensive coordinator at his alma mater under Houston Nutt. Mississippi had a very good balanced offense in the SEC, Austin developed their young QB and they capped off the season by hammering Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl. I have no doubt this guy (45 years old) could be successful in the NFL, as either a QB coach or right off the bat as an OC. There are undoubtedly dozens of other guys WITH experience in the NFL who would be slathering to join a SB team with a dynamic young head coach, a young established QB and an arsenal of talented offensive weapons. There are good people available, some of them even younger than Tomlin. Houston hired 27-year-old Kyle Shanahan as their QB coach/offensive coordinator this past season and the Texans were terrific offensively despite losing their No. 1 QB for a big part of the season.
For now, I don’t really care who or what is responsible for the recent transformation of the offense. It’s intriguing to try to analyze or guess why, but the bottom line is that it’s working. I don’t see any reason why it can’t continue to work for two more games. This Sunday, I think the Steelers hit hard and fast and win by two touchdowns, 24-10.
by steelguy99 on Jan 16, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree with above
It’s not like we’re calling for Ben to get traded cause his best days are behind him. Arians has a large volume of work that smart people here have looked at, and don’t like the results.
by Chicago Steeler on Jan 16, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I guess if you ...
read “mindless dribble” and then use comments which don’t meet the standard of mindless dribble as the opposite argument, then I would quote my good friend Bill O’Reilly-“that’s nuts.”
Who would advocate accepting mediocrity? That makes no sense. And yes, analysis that says the Steelers’ offense is actually the 22d best [or worst] in the NFL would indicate that changes should be made. But if the analysis says the offense isn’t actually the 22d worst [or best] and just ended up that way for a variety of reasons, then folks shouldn’t be calling for BA’s head willy-nilly. And if change is necessary as a part of the natural development of the team, then BA might need to go, but he should go with praise for the job he’s done in the situation the Steelers’ offense found themselves in this year.
And no, disagreeing with me is not the standard for mindless dribble. That would make no sense either.
From the Steelers website: http://news.steelers.com/team/coach/49259/
While it would be up to the individual players to realistically assess BA’s impact on their abilities/honors, the Steelers seem to think he’s done some good things. His past shows good things as well.
As fo age, CL has shown that age might not be the #1 priority screening criteria. And before one heads down that path, i am not willy-nilly equating BA’s performance with CL’s.
by tenthmtnman on Jan 16, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is the point of this post to get everyone to repeat their arguments from the entire year and last year that you choose to be ignoring?
by steelguy99 on Jan 16, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Either that or to get people peoples head to explode.
Has anyone seen “Scanners”?
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 16, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
when you start
with quotes from Bill O Reilly…. thats when I usually tune you out… But since I read the post above
I think we give BA another year, with a couple of linemen from the draft and see where it gets us. If the offense still is bad when we know we got talent at the line position then get rid of him because this was his idea to change the offensive line blocking scheme and it hasn’t looked good so far. But bring in the some talent on the line, have a healthy FWP, mendi, moore, and russel then lets evaluate him.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 16, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no politics please
nobodys gone there, just a friendly reminder to all.
thanks.
by Blitzburgh on Jan 16, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't mean
I wasn’t trying to bring politics in it, just trying to say there a couple of people when I hear talk I just tune them out, like John Madden, Joe Theisman, to think of a few, sorry for the misunderstanding.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 17, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think ...
for one to read “mindless dribble” and then use comments that don’t meet the standard to be called mindless dribble as the counterpoint would cause me to say “??”
I am certainly not advocating mediocrity; who would do that? To quote my good friend Bill O’Reilly-“that’s nuts.” If in fact, detailed analysis reveals that the Steelers do have the 22d best [or worst] offense, then perhaps changes are immediately necessary, but detailed analysis is more than numbers. Who can say that the offense that has taken the field over the last few weeks is the same offense that generated a year’s worth of “22d worst” stats? One might be better off taking last week’s stats and multiplying it by 16 to see how the team really is. The impact of injuries, inexperienced replacements, etc must be considered when making the assessment. The general tenor of comments is that the Steelers reached the AFC Championship in spite of BA and I don’ think that is accurate. It may be that BA needs to be moved on as part of the natural future development of the team, but he should leave with praise for the job he has done in a difficult situation and not be run out on a rail.
From the Steelers’ website
http://news.steelers.com/team/coach/49259/
While it is up to the players to accurately assess BA’s impact on them, the Steelers’ bio shows that BA does have an excellent body of work behind him.
And no, disagreeing with me is not the standard for mindless dribble.
by tenthmtnman on Jan 16, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps I don’t understand your argument.
Are you saying because we have had injuries and a weak offensive line it is stupid to talk about the effectiveness of the offensive cordinator?
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by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 16, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya know
I’m not saying I’m for or against, but he sure shredded our defense in the playoffs when Tommy Gun was here. It looks l to me that his forte is not running the ball. They couldn’t hold a large lead though. He has an outstanding QB and passing game history. If he is willing to learn, he may be able to become a complete OC. I guess you could say I am standing in the middle. I see that he is a passing game genius. I also see he’s run incompetent, it seems. I guess now is the time to see if he can adjust. The jury is still out for me.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Jan 16, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
60 Minute Game
BA “shredded” our Defense in that 02 playoff game for about 40 minutes. Then when it was “winnin’ time” his play calling became a disaster and he couldn’t run the ball or the clock. The Browns let a big lead evaporate that day in the 4th quarter and blew a playoff game to TOMMY MADDOX! I will always hold their OC responsible for that Brown debacle and Steelers triumph. Now he is our OC. Ouch.
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by 5020 on Jan 16, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ouch indeed
“It may be that BA needs to be moved on as part of the natural future development of the team, but he should leave with praise for the job he has done in a difficult situation and not be run out on a rail.”
If you think he needs to move on as part of the natural future development of the team then let me ask you what kind of development is that? What kind of development are you looking for that he would have to move on for us to achieve? I hope it would be to get better, right? So if he needs to move on so that we can get better then why should he leave with praise if he wasn’t the one that could make us better through the natural future development of the team?
You’re argument doesn’t make sense plain and simple, try again.
by tannofsteel84 on Jan 16, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
tenthmtnman is so Bruce Arians. Hey Bruce, don’t forget to use the TE’s in the passing game – and using them as blockers doesn’t count. Oh, and PLEASE don’t use any more zone blocking. It’s undermining the agressiveness and inexperience of Kemo and Stapleton. Oh, and don’t run out of 2 TE sets anymore.
In fact, why are you checking these stupid boards? You have game planning to do!!
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by BadMaafala on Jan 16, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still feel a little bad for giving dookie so much crap when he was on here.
by steelguy99 on Jan 16, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you are just full of puns today
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by BadMaafala on Jan 16, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, sorry about that. Long week at work…
by steelguy99 on Jan 16, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Arians should go
He might be a decent coordinator somewhere else, but his style doesn’t fit this team. You know that Tomlin did some arm twisting after a normally quiet Willie Parker complained about the lack of running game. Since then the Steelers offense has picked up. You know that if FWP or any other player hadn’t said anything, we’d be still running an ineffective running game, and ultimately an ineffective offense.
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by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 16, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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