The Unmentionables Vol 1
The media, in the form of news outlets and bloggers alike, has already spent a great deal of ink and bandwidth heaping both praise and condemnation on the star players within the Steelers franchise. Google Troy Polamalu and you've get about 623,000 hits, or take Ben Roethlisberger for 1,590,000. But apply the mighty Goog to a name like Brett Keisel or Larry Foote and the results are... shall we say... "unfulfilling".
So, I thought it would be worthwhile to examine the play of Pittsburgh's lesser known players. These are The Unmentionables: players who don't get a lot of press. My hope is that the comments section will provide insight into these players as well as the responsibilities of the positions where they play. Besides, we still have a week to fill before the big game...
In this edition of The Unmentionables, I hope to spark some discussion about Brett "Diesel" Keisel.
Now, before I get started, I'll be the first to say that I don't know much about Mr. Keisel. (I had a dream last night where I called him Diesel and he delivered a purple nurple to my pancreas. So, "Mr. Keisel" it is!) Given my limited expertise, digging up dirt on the big man started as something of an academic exercise. I'll begin with a short overview of those basics.
At age 30, Mr Keisel is listed at 6'5" and 285 lbs. He was a 7th round draft pick (2002) and has worked his way to a starter position at Defensive End. His most productive years were 2006 and 2007 where he started in all 32 games. However, productivity in the years before and after has suffered at the hands of the injury gods. In 2008, he missed a good chunk of the season (6 games).
Then again, maybe his lack of productivity results from another problem. Perhaps he's simply not that good. Let's take a look.
One source informs me the Steelers organization brought in Mr. Keisel with the goal of developing him into a strong pass rusher. Over the years, that achievement has never materialized. Match-ups (like this) suggest that he owns a full complement of skills, but not a great deal of speed or power. Against the Ravens, he did a nice bit of pushing, but he also got backed up a number of time. One play in his favor is the first Woodley sack. Keisel pushes two members of the O-line into the pocket creating a wall that pins Flacco in place. Mr. Keisel sets him up, the Wookie knocks 'em down. I've read mention of him using a "swim move", which is something I'd never heard before. I had to go back and watch the game versus SD to see it in action. Sure enough, swim move is the perfect description.
At 6'5" tall with orangutan arms, I'd like to see Mr. Keisel batting down more passes. Like the one he graciously deflected for Rivers - transforming Sproles' excellent punt return into a game footnote rather than points. The highlight reel for Mr. Keisel shows a few bats, but highlight reels are... well... only the highlights.
I'll allow those better equipped to pick apart line-play add more ammunition to the discussion, but I am left with a few questions. Is he a good player who goes unnoticed on a great team? I mean, Aaron Smith gets over-looked. Would Mr. Keisel be more effective in a 4-3 defense with less need for him to produce pressure all by his onesie? Obviously, not every position can be filled with a superstar. So, can we reasonably expect to find someone better?
I'll go on record as a fan who likes Mr. Keisel... as long as he stays away from my tender parts. He's got balance. He doesn't excel in any one area, but, at a cursory glance, he seems to be minding his responsibilities effectively. Diesel engines aren't sexy, fast, or clean, but you can find them in all sorts of applications: cars, boats, planes, etc. Mr. Keisel is something like that. A player we can squeeze under the hood of just about any play.
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I was shocked, simply shocked, to see someone talk about keisel from espn today. The video on “http://espn.go.com/” called “Disguised D” talks about him. They don’t say anything special, but this may be the first time he has been mentioned by a national media outlet.
That sportingnews link is absolutely bogus. All of their coverage on the steelers vs. cardinals has been off-base. Brett Keisel against Mike Gandy? If those nitwits think that Gandy is going to spend most of the game dealing with Keisel they know nothing – and since they think that, they know nothing.
I have been very disappointed with all coverage so far. I hope for it to improve this week, but for the most part the articles I’ve read have been at best inaccurate, and at worse just awful. We rely on blitzing, our corners aren’t very good, edge could have a decent game on us, yadda yadda. I just want to read more realistic media coverage, but that has never happened and will never happen. Before the titans game the media was bowing down to the steelers mesmerized by their defense, and now all I hear is that the defense is pretty good but how can they stop fitz?
I can’t expect the likes of espn, etc. to do a reasonable job, but a place that calls itself “sportingsnews.com” writing a completely nonsensical article is pretty sad.
Coverage
I also read an article talking about how our corners aren’t great coverage guys and rely on pressure for coverage. Unbelievable! Ike Taylor is one of the best cover corners in the NFL and can tackle extremely well for a corner. But he can’t catch, so he gets no love whereas Ed “Don’t Make Me Tackle Anyone” Reed gets mentioned everytime there is an interception anywhere on this earth.
Too be honest, I think the news outlets have to play up stuff like that and the “Edge might be able to run” angle. It doesn’t make borderline/non fans want to watch when you talk about how the Steelers are better at every position except WR and O Line (maybe).
Case in point: BB has thrown 14 passes that traveled twenty or more yards in the air in two postseason games. Warner has thrown six in three games. Yet the media talk about Warner like he’s still in the “Greatest Show on Turf” and BB is a game manager. It does not make good TV to start every ESPN segment saying the Steelers have a dominating edge on D and the better RBs and QB . Doesn’t matter if it’s the truth.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 26, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
You pretty much summed up this last week
Got the media pegged. That’s exactly what it’s all about. Talk about what will make this an inviting Super Bowl.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
I really don’t mind ESPN providing coverage like that. Their sole goal is entertainment and making money for the NFL, but I expect more from sites/podcasts that claim to do analysis. I haven’t seen much yet outside of blogs that is at all useful.
I’m surprised sportingnews.com didn’t do a piece on how Fitzgerald will stack up against William Gay, given their idea of relevance.
You're right
Despite their best efforts to the contrary, ESPN still is the leader in sports coverage. So if ESPN can make the matchups look sexy, the SportingNews can’t go out and tell it like is. Sure, the astute fans that frequent this site would love it, but 3/4 of the audience would tune out.
Don’t forget, since it’s Super Bowl week, they really have to make it seem sexy. Two weeks, one game…that’s too muhc time to fill up talking about the mediocrity of the Cards season thus far compared to the historic nature of the Steelers’.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 26, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think that comparing a OT to a DE is in any way sexy to anyone besides to football geeks, and even I get bad visuals. If you’re going to do it, why not do it right? Schmucks like that should just stick to comparing Fitzgerald to Ike since that is the football intelligence level they are catering to.
That's most of what I've seen
Probably why there is no link to the Keisel article. Some poor reporter probably got fired for writing something novel and insightful. It was likely taken off the website for some article that basically says “Pittsburgh rushes the passer” and “Cardinals throw the ball.”
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 26, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Keisel
It’s good to remember our non-star players. Here’re my mini-scouting report on Keisel:
Keisel is adequate against the run, but he’s not going to draw any double teams away from Hampton and Smith. He can get penetration (as Gandy will apparently find out) using his quickness, but isn’t the strongest guy in the world or great at achoring against the run. He’s a good pass rusher, although he has always been better at getting pressure than finishing the deal with sacks. He’s best when he’s part of a rotation, as he visibly wears down as the game and season progress. When fresh, he can be a handful – as was seen throughout the SD game.
He actually is pretty adept at batting down passes. He had 7 PD’s last year, which is half of Ike Taylor’s total from this year, for comparison. We also use him in coverage on occasion. He’s not going to man up with TE’s and RB’s very well, but he can hold his own in the short zones. His height is an asset in coverage.
He’s a good complement to the brute strength we have in the rest of our DL, but if Smith misses time, Keisel is not able to pick up the slack very well.
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as far as batted passes
I expect to see one or two this game. Both Keisel and Smith have some nice height at 6’5", and unlike the last two quarterbacks we have played Warner is a comparative runt at 6’2". When he wants to throw the short stuff I expect Keisel and Smith to have their hands in the air, and I expect to see a few batted down passes. If not batted down, Smith and Keisel should be limiting Warner’s passing windows quite a bit.
We could compare our front, to say, the eagles, and discuss how the extra height advantage will help the steelers limit the slants in the middle if it is used correctly – and Smith and Keisel use it correctly. But then we’d be mentioning something not in the ESPN-sanctioned story lines, and why would we want to do that
Definitely
Keisel’s best skill is his ability to get his hands up and jump even when engaged. Other than that, solid but unspectacular.
My vote for unheralded player: Larry Foote. Love this guy. Hard working guy being pushed by the #1 draft pick with all the measureables and highlights. But for all his speed, Timmons never reads a play like Larry. .
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 26, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, unlike James Harrison or others who are discovered late in their careers, I don’t see Mr. Keisel suddenly turning a corner and becoming the next DPOTY.
One of the things I noted about Keisel is that he rarely locks up with the guy on the other side of the line. He keeps opponents at arms length and does some hand jive/king fu until he sees a way to get around the blocker or the ball leaves the pocket. This allows him to move laterally quite well. He can disengage from blockers and fall to the left or right to make tackles in the gaps. Dunno if that qualifies as a rare talent, but he locks up less often that the guys I was watching on the Purple Browns defense.
I did see his 7 deflections, but that was one year. As stated in the original post, it’s difficult to know if that season is an aberration since he’s been injured for so many others.
Larry Foote could be vol 2. I was also thinking about B-Mac, Hartwig, and Spaeth. I’m not looking to glorify these guys, just take a closer look at them.
Good spot
Keisel does do the hand jive pretty well. Maybe that’s why he never gets the sack but is always in the QBs face. He can move laterally but you have to move through/around a lineman to get the sack.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 26, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
honorable mention
I think the above descriptions are accurate descriptions of Keisel’s abilities on the field. He’s probably the weakest link on the d-line, but still a quality player who creates pocket push. (don’t know if that’s a term). He forces scrambles by the QB fairly well. The design of the system goes against him getting sacks.
However, my love for him comes from his enthusiasm. Many players in regular season games sit down and warm up when their unit is not in. Not Brett Keisel. This man loves to watch him team play. And he’s always the first guy out to congratulate the offense on a score. I remember watching him head butt Big Ben after a score. Only problem was Keisel was not wearing a helmet at the time. He’s a beast!
by Chicago Steeler on Jan 26, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions
Can't find the article
Earlier this year Paul Zimmerman (Dr. Z) from Sports Illustrated listed his all 2008 all pro team ( think it may have been around the half year point) and he had Kiesel as one of his defensive ends. Unfortunately I can’t find the article. I was surprised, and since he has since had a stroke, I wonder if Z actually had Kiesel mixed up with Smith.
Paul Zimmerman has often been ahead of the curve each year with his all pro selections, especiallly on the offensive and defensive lines. He often picked people that are off the radar, and the next thing you know a year later they are being seleced to the pro bowl and other listings all pro teams. So maybe he just knows something the rest of us don’t.
Wish I could find the damn article.
It's real
I remember that. I almost choked on my pierogies when I read it.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 26, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that surprised me a lot too. But I trust Z’s film grading. Hope he gets better he was one of the few that took pride in breaking down film.
by Chicago Steeler on Jan 26, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
come on, everyone knows the flaming redhead really wrote all his stuff. :)
I liked that he mentioned her in almost every article. seemed like a classy guy.
Kiesel a good athlete
I remember a comment from an article posted last year here at BTSC, I think made by Aaron Smith, that Kiesel was the best athlete on the team or at least on the defense. Maybe Blitz can dig that up (as if he doesn’t already have enough to do !!!!) because it wouldn’t be the first time that my memory has played tricks on me. There were some suggestions that Kiesel would be moved around as a sort of front seven wild card, sometimes lining up as LB and dropping into coverage or stunting on a blitz, to take advantage of that athleticism. That has never really panned out because the primary job of the DE is basically to lock up the OL, close down their gaps and funnel running backs into LBs or create seams for them to get to the QB. It’s the least glamorous position on the defense. As pointed out above, Kiesel’s best athletic ability on the line of scrimmage is his agility. He can get up in the air on passes and stays free long enough to move left or right to clog up a run. He’s also a hard worker and will pursue plays to the whistle. But he can be overwhelmed physically (unlike Aaron Smith) and he doesn’t throw anyone around to get to the QB like Smith sometimes does. I love his energy, enthusiasm and self-less hard work.

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