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A moment of silence for New England Patriots

I wanted to share this article by Michael Silver at Yahoo sports.  The article is about titled “Super Bowl QB’s get a shot at redemption” but the interesting angle is that Ken Wisenhunt and Kurt Warner are both still very angry about the Patriots Spygate scandal and the fact that it may have cost them both the chance at another ring or two.   

 

These two sections really stuck out for me:

The first is Warner describing his performance against the Patriots in 2001.

In Warner’s eyes, Belichick’s players seemed to have a very good sense of what the Rams were doing on offense that day – and remember, St. Louis, one of the most prolific offenses in NFL history, scored just three points until a late flurry. It has been substantiated that the Patriots’ practice of videotaping the hand signals of opposing coaches, a violation of NFL policy, went back a number of years. The Rams and Patriots had played earlier that season, and logic suggests that Belichick might have gained an advantage through surveillance for the rematch.

“You can’t help but wonder,” Warner said Tuesday night. “Perhaps it didn’t happen that way – obviously, it could have been good coaching. But it’s possible that something else was also going on, and if so, thinks about the ramifications. People’s careers were altered. I hate to think about it that way, but it’s human nature.”

Whisenhunt is no less upset.  

 

(Whisenhunt) flashed back to his time as a Steelers assistant and the two AFC championship games his team lost at home to the Patriots, after the ’01 and ’04 seasons, and a figurative light bulb turned on inside his head.

 

The latter game, a 41-27 defeat, occurred during Roethlisberger’s rookie season, when Whisenhunt was Pittsburgh’s offensive coordinator and play-caller. Recalling that chilly evening in January of ’05, Whisenhunt remembered plays he sent in that, as soon as the ball was snapped, New England’s players defended perfectly. The Pats’ uncanny sense of what was coming baffled him at the time, and now he had a possible explanation.

Every Steeler fan remembers watching those games in disbelief.  It seemed inconceivable at the time that our team came up so short. At the time I remember feeling we had been out coached. Although our player seemed to match up fairly well against the Patriots, it seemed that they were always a step or two ahead mentally.  It turns out there may have been a good reason for that.

I am not saying that  the Patriots cheated, although we all know that they probably did.   I am also not saying, that if they cheated its the only reason they won those games. The Steelers made plenty of mental mistakes of their own in each of those games.  But just like Whisenhunt and Warner you can’t help but wonder what might have been.

Sometimes the refs make a bad call and that costs you. But when another team blatantly and shamelessly cheats, well it just feels like a whole different story. 

So as we stand on the verge of another Super Bowl, I for one, plan on taking a moment of silence to celebrate the fact that Bill Belichick will not be coaching in this one. 


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Amen to hating them

But… They were stealing defensive signals not offensive. Unless the story about taping the walkthrough for the Rams is true which there was never much evidence of (especially since they destroyed all the tapes.)

by Chicago Steeler on Jan 30, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

The truth is

We don’t really know what they were stealing. We know that they didn’t have a problem stealing signals, so why would we assume they limited it to stealing defensive signals? Or that they only stole signals in certain games.

My point is that they certainly did not have a problem with cheating. The only question then becomes, when were they able to cheat and when were they not able to cheat. Clearly Whis and Warner both feel they stole offensive signals when they played them. I can’t say for sure, but there was something fishy about those Patriots teams. They didn’t have the Moss/Welker/Stallworth offense – or a defense nearly as good as the Steelers did during those years. They just seemed to anticipate the play on the field. Now that could be good coaching and good instincts or it could be signal stealing. Probably it was a combination of both.

by SteelerBuddha on Jan 30, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm

You can’t steal offensive signals because they’re all in the helmet, unless you’re tuning into the RF. They could listen to chatter and audibles and try to pick up hints, but everybody does that, even us, and it’s not cheating unless you use technology. In truth, the Pats have always been great at film study. Who was the first team to jump our snap counts every play because we never change them? Vrabel and the Pats. I have no doubt that they could do similar things in the AFCCG with a rookie QB. We heard all year about how Whis dumbed down the plays for him. I don’t see why the Pats couldn’t look on film and figure out the order of his reads or some other info and take advantage of it.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 30, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they definately cheated!

Which is why history will record us as the team of this decade.

That being said, it’s hard to blame the ’01 AFCCG loss on anything except poor ST play by us, but these other two games you refer to do seem fishy.

If only the Pats would have beaten us. They would have finished 12-4 and the #2 seed! Instead, they finished 11-5 and the #7 seed. However, I feel like many Steeler fans that it won’t be payback until we humiliate them in the AFCCG.

by Jonny B. on Jan 30, 2009 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

I would love to see the footage of those games again

OK – let me re-phrase that. As painful and nausea inducing as it would be, I am curious to watch the footage again. I have a clear memory of feeling that we were out coached in those games. I don’t remember the specifics of it, but I do remember feeling that Belechick was just a whole hell of a lot smarter than our guys, that he had a way of being a couple plays ahead. Of course the ST teams play was insanely bad, BUT, I still feel like there were other factors in that game that seemed mysterious considering how solid our team was.

by SteelerBuddha on Jan 30, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love to see the footage

of the tapes that the NFL supposedly destroyed.

by Jonny B. on Jan 30, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Pour a little out for them

On Sunday

"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)

by PixburghArn on Jan 30, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

There was a Sports Illustrated article

Back during the 05/06 season. Belichick was being interviewed. He was talking about the either 3rd and short or 4th and short (can’t remember) play in the 04/05 AFC Championship game. He said he “guessed” and run blitzed the Bettis dive play. He said had they ran another play the Steelers (play action) they could have walked into the endzone. He said everyone was in the right place to stop that run. There are other things he said that as I think back he was putting it in everyone’s face. He was playing up his instincts as the key in key circumstances. If I find the article I’ll tell you which edition it was.

"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)

by PixburghArn on Jan 30, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

Guess what?

I hate em and they stank!

They did cheat. People say “oh what they did was no big deal it doesnt help them much”

Then why do it? Why risk punishment if it doesnt do you any good. I dont believe for one second it doesnt help them. It obviously propelled them to the top.

Pittsburgh had a title in 04 robbed away by cheaters. I hate cheaters and they stank

by Mechem on Jan 30, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

There must be a reason-

that the NFL met with that Walsh guy for several hours then immediately totally destroyed all evidence. Notice that that dude hasn’t been heard from since? Either the NFL bought him off, or the NFL and Pats had him killed.

Either way, Belichek admitted to cheating, said it was a “misunderstanding” and is the ONLY coach in NFL history fined for cheating. Only a fool would believe that cheating didn’t help them steal titles. And only a fool could believe that the NFL wouldn’t do absolutely everything in it’s power to avoid having it disclosed that 3 SB wins were accomplished by cheats.

It would have destroyed the league.

And i remember those AFCCG’s. The Steelers never had a chance. The Patrithieves were in position on every down to stop the offense, and Brady magically managed to throw to wide-open WRs on every pass. How often do you see that IRL?

And how much “success” has the staff of those “champion” teams had outside of NE?

I’m sure somebody will have some clever, dismissive comment about Bigfoot, Area 51 and alien conspiracies, but that doesn’t change the fact that it WAS all right there in front of us all along, and we all know it. But it will never be corrected, because to do so would cost the NFL BILLIONS, if not trillions, of dollars.

All the more reason to keep on winning WITHOUT the asterik*.

by tobiathan on Jan 30, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

But I will say this

Perhaps, if it is best for the league, we should accept it.

Kinda like the end of Dark Knight. Yeah Harvey Dent was a murderer, but proving him guilty would have undone all sorts of good.

Perhaps, by keeping it on the DL, the league was preserved for us to win 2 more Super Bowls.

by Mechem on Jan 30, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

God forbid

Anyone strangle the golden goose. But the truth always has a way of coming out in time.

by Jonny B. on Jan 31, 2009 1:33 AM EST reply actions  

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