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    Alright I know it's not the time to look ahead, but I just saw Todd McShay's mock draft on ESPN.com and he has us selecting DE Tyson Jackson in the first round. I don't know if I'm missing something, or maybe the experts know something nobody else does, but defensive line? Yes we are getting older across the board and with a three man line depth has been a little suspect over the last two years but come on. There is one glaring weakness on this team and I don't even have to tell anyone what it is, we know.

    Tyson Jackson has been projected as our pick for a while now (by McShay) and he's a great player, no knock on him. Is it because of the lack of an "elite" tackle prospect where we are projected? I don't get it. I'll take the best guard available if that's the case.

    By the way if we do go defensive, big if, would we take him? We do draft for a year or two from now, so maybe. I like two other defensive guys, but they are both projected to go ahead of us so maybe they aren't too realistic of choices (Rey Maualuga ILB and Taylor Mays FS).  Both are probably top ten picks, but if I've learned anything about the draft it's that anyone can go anywhere, and we are not afraid to take an outside the box choice, should one happen to fall to us.

ANY THOUGHTS?

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Stop it. You cannot have Chip Kelly, so don’t even try.

"When Bellotti attempted to shake the hand of Oklahoma State quarterback Zac Robinson after the game, Robinson offered his left hand. His right was swollen and battered from the Ducks' defense."

by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 5, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson shouldn't be considered a first rounder

He’s good and will fit great in a 3-4 scheme, and he could also play NT, but he will most likely go round 2. There are only two players in the first round who should be exceptions to our Offensive line-only strategy, and those two are Brian Orpako, a monster DE from Texas, who will most likely go in the top 5, or Rey Maualuga, the ILB from USC, who will most likely be drafted 8-15 range.

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 5, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

sorry

Brian Orakpo instead of Orpako

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 5, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How did I know...

That this post would bring out HighSchoolSteeler. Good to see your still on top of the draft, as I was sure you would be. But Orakpo would be a linebacker for us right? He’s close to Woodley’s size, can he cover? Texas lists him at 6’5’’/260 lbs. and that’s almost always an exaggeration.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 5, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

I love the draft. My dream job would be being an actual scout for the black and gold but that would be real hard to do. But ESPN and a lot of other sources have him at 6’4" 260. He’s a freak of nature Benched 515 lbs and squatted over 600 lbs, but he’s got a lot of speed in addition to his strength, and he runs about a 4.61 so I would assume that he would do decently in the zone. He reminds me a lot of Deebo actually. It would take a lot to trade up to get him, but boy would it be worth it.

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 5, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so

we should trade up for a backup OLB?

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by BadMaafala on Jan 5, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nah

he would play DE. I agree that it would be pointless to add another OLB, to our already crowded lineup.

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 5, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He sounds like has the physique for a 4-3, not our 3-4. I’m never a fan of asking a player to put on 30 pounds and then hoping they still play the same.

by steelguy99 on Jan 6, 2009 8:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In a 3-4

it’s never pointless to draft a linebacker. Maybe not in round 1 or 2 this year, but after that, its almost a certainty we take at least one linebacker. In fact since 1970 we’ve drafted at least one LB (or DE that made the switch) every year except 3. And of those 3 years only one has been in the last 15 years, so a LB will almost always get drafted by us at some point.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 6, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I thought I was wise to draft Davis and Humpal last year. There’s some uncertainty with Harrison’s contract/future, so I the FO doesn’t see Davis as a potential starter, it might be worth another stab. On the other hand, we actually have a very strong group of young ST LB’s, and part of me wants to see if any of those guys develop into starting material, so I wouldn’t be heart broken if we took a year off.

Also, I agree with 99 that there’s no fing way I’d draft Orakpo and put him at 3-4 DE. Guys that small can’t anchor against the run or take on double teams. A large portion of 3-4 DE’s are converted college DT’s. Look for DT’s with 6-4, 300 size.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I did forget him

Troy Polamalu and Taylor Mays in the same defense could be legendary.

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 5, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mays...

will go top 5. Once he hits the combine his numbers should blow scouts away. 6’3’’, 225 lbs. and according to Pete Carroll he’s the fastest player on the team. Maybe a little USC cheese but whatever. Did you see the hit in the second half against Penn State? He knocked out two guys with one tackle, so what if one of them was his teammate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 5, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mays is the fastest player on roster

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by PsycoSalameh on Jan 5, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alex Mack from California. I don’t know if they consider him a 1st or 2nd rounder, but he’s a tough-ass center who could probably play any o-line position. He’ll start his rookie season, and play beyond effectively.

by Fahey on Jan 5, 2009 4:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Or Max Unger. They are the top 2 centers. Unger is sick because he has started at every position on the line, so that versatility sometimes will get a guy drafted higher up the board.

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by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 5, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I did a post on Mack

Here

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 5, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

About Rey Rey and Mays...

im a USC fan btw…i heard from a very reliable source that the broncos are gonna get one of them…they have 12th overall…as soon as one of them gets picked, they r gonna trade up to get the other, thats what they did with cutler and young.

"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
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by PsycoSalameh on Jan 5, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

we do need to talk about the draft more...

reccomend so everyon sees it

"The grass may be greener on the other side, but it still has to be mowed"
-PsycoSalameh43

by PsycoSalameh on Jan 5, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why the heck do we need draft talk?

It’s still football season. Once we win the Super Bowl, that still leaves several months with absolutely nothing going on. THAT is the perfect time to talk draft.

by HinesField on Jan 5, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My pessimistic argument is rapidly going down the drain…

by steelguy99 on Jan 5, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

compensatory picks?

Do the Steelers have any of them this year? Did they obtain via trades extra picks for this year’s draft?

by ec on Jan 5, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yea they got a comp pick for Faneca's release

which I believe is a third rounder, and last year we had some trade with the Giants in the fourth round in which we traded down. I know for sure that we have 9 picks this year.

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 5, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A seventh round pick for mahan too. Going to be used for trading up for sure.

by steelguy99 on Jan 5, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We cut Mahan, so no comp picks. They haven’t officially told us we’re getting a 3rd for Faneca, but he made the pro bowl, so it should be a given.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 5, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No Mahan was traded back to the Bucs not released. It was an undisclosed pick, but Steelguy is probably right it is a 7th rounder.

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 5, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh, right

my bad

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by BadMaafala on Jan 5, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Trade with the Giants was an exchange of 4th round picks and we recieved their 6th pick last year. Nothing this year.

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 5, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Also, as of right now I only see eight picks. One for Faneca (which should be at least a 4th rounder, if not a 3rd), and one for each round. So eight. Is their an extra that anyone knows about?

The only other free agents that I see that left and signed with other teams were Brian St. Pierre, Clark Haggans, Allen Rossum, and Najeh Davenport. Does anyone else see anyone that we could receive a pick for?

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 5, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We got something for Mahan. As he is terrible it is likely a 7th rounder.

by archon095 on Jan 5, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Draft Thoughts

I really want us to trade up for an OT in round 1, but we shouldn’t underestimate our need for DL depth. Just because we’re doing well there right now doesn’t mean we should wait until there’s a crisis to spend some draft picks. Also, Hampton was blowing teams up early in the season, but our run defense has slipped up late. Even if Hampton and Smith are able to play at a high level next year (which is a question mark), we could use some help down the stretch and we NEED to figure our the future of our DL or our whole defense could go south in a hurry.

I don’t like Tyson Jackson in the 3-4. He’s big, but he’s not particularly strong, and he’s more of a pass rusher. We need to find some guys who can dominate vs. the run, including a real NT candidate. Fili Moala could be a pretty good end, but he’ll probably go higher than he’s worth. BJ Raji in the second or Terrence Cody in the first could be good NT’s, and there are plenty of longer shot guys, in the late rounds, too.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 5, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jackson

I really haven’t seen him play other than last year when he helped smack Ohio St., but from what I have read I got a different report. He would be a DT in a 4-3 and a DE in a 3-4. The reports says he is a great run stopper, but not a real pass rush threat. The thing I did like to read is they are questioning is motor and desire.

If we do go 1st round DL, I would rather see a back up for Smith than Hampton, because after last year I realized we don’t even have a semi replacement for Smith. Where Casey’s backup has proven he can at least be Avg.

by SteelBuckeye on Jan 5, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

First, sorry buddy. OSU should fire Tressel, or at least have someone else calling plays. He’s a great recruiter, but terrible in game situations. OSU had the ball 2nd and 2 at the 10 yard line down by 2, 2+ minutes left, Texas with 2 TO’s. Game over. Run for the first down THEN FALL DOWN AT THE ONE, kneel once or twice, try to run for the TD, then kick the FG if nessesary. Texas gets the ball back with 1:00 and no TO’s. Terrible management. And WTF kind of defense was that on the TD? There was only one safety, and he was jumping a slant? What on earth?

Anyway, you might be right about Jackson, but LSU’s run defense hasn’t really impressed me in the times I’ve watched it (Arkansas, OSU games last year). I also have no interest in a first round prospect with questionable motor and desire. That’d make him the anti-Aaron Smith. I’d rather reach on a tackle than take Jackson.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fili Moala

might be the best fit for us, defensively at least. He has the size to play a 3-4 at end, which I really don’t think Orakpo has, and the strength to stop the run consistently, which I’m not sure Tyson Jackson has. Plus he’s a really good athlete, he goes sideline to sidelne and up and down the field as quickly as any DT I’ve seen. I think he’d actually be the best pick for us if we go defense and stay where we are, assuming nobody falls to us. For the record, despite how many USC players I’ve endorsed here, I am a Hokie fan, and wouldn’t mind seeing Macho Harris in Black and Gold either.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 6, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt Orakpo will be anywhere close to available when we pick; plus i agree he doesn’t fit the 3-4

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 6, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree about Fili, and I’d love to have him. However, I think he’s going to go early, and even if we had a shot at him in the first, I’d rather focus on OT’s if there’s anyone worth it at all.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

draft

I love the draft…my early thoughts…

1. 8 or 9 picks are way too many…if we use all of our picks, they’ll probably just get cut…we need to move up in as many rounds as possible…quality over quantity.

2. OT…clearly our biggest need…but…I think we’ll be in the same position as last year, having to reach for a OT prospect…FO knows NEVER reach for a propspect…maybe we can trade up for a legit OT stud. Who? I don’t know, anyone have ideas?

3. If not OT and we stay with the pick…G Duke Robinson from OK looks like a stud…I know he’s a guard but he would be hard to pass…some mock’s have him going top 15, some have him sliding to us at the end of the first.

by SteelerMike on Jan 5, 2009 9:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

OT's

A lot depends on what the people ahead of us do. OT is actually rather stacked this year but their are some favorites. Andre Smith, Michael Oher, and Eugene Monroe are the favorites now. Anything in the top 10 will be way to expensive to trade up to but if any of them fall into the teens I’d love to see them picked up. The Steelers don’t need all that much so personally I would rather see them get a few good guys then a lot of mediocre people.

by archon095 on Jan 5, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

We have nine picks I’d like to see us move up in the first and second round so that means they should trade 3-4 picks to move up in the rounds. I won’t mind having a 5/6 man draft this year if we can get a top tier OT and a future DT and another pick for a good OL and another one for a good DL. The extra pick or two should be a return guy and a WR or S if we have an extra pick. But honestly I wouldn’t mind just pulling in 4 guys on the line. I hope tony hills develops into a decent OL next year and our first rounder will be able to start day one. with kindall simmons coming back and marvel smith maybe coming back since he was placed on IR he maybe not be able to get the deal he wanted. So if that is the case our line could be a lot stronger and deeper next year than it was this year. If we can win it this year we have a great chance of repeating next year.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OTs

This is how I see them:
1. Andre Smith – Bama Top 3
2. Eugene Monroe – Virginia Top 10
3. Michael Oher – Ole Miss Top 10
4. Jason Smith – Baylor Top 15
5. Ciron Black – LSU Top 20
6. Eben Britton – Arizona Top 25
7. Russell Okung – Ok State Top 35
8. William Beatty – UConn Top 40
9. Phil Loadholt – Oklahoma Top 45
10. Jamon Meredith – S Carolina Top 50

by ZnJersey on Jan 6, 2009 2:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

where'd all these draft guys come from?

I really like Jason Smith, and we may have a legit shot at trading up for him. I think our biggest need is a true pass blocking LT of the future. Smith fits that bill, whereas guys like Black and Loadholt are better fits on the right. Britton and Xavier Fulton are other true LT prospects who we could get without trading, or even in later rounds.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how bout

we trade up and get Oher then trade up again in the second to get loadholt? or something like that

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we trade into the top 10, we won’t have a second rounder or any picks to trade up anywhere.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here’s a link to an NFL draft value chart. It’s not the Bible, but it gives at least some sense of the perceived value of draft picks. According to it, if we had the 30th pick, to get the 8th pick (1400 pts), we’d have to trade all our normal picks (620+284+124+46+28.2+15.4+2.6 = 1120) plus our 3rd round comp pick (which we technically can’t trade) and we’d still be short. To realistically trade up to there, we’re probably talking first and third this year, plus a first next year.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Late 1st Targets

Alex Mack – C/California…I love this guy
DJ Moore – CB(KR)/Vanderbilt…Elite Athlete that played both ways this year, solid KR
Eben Britton – OT/Arizona
Duke Robinson – OG/Oklahoma…road grader
Ciron Black – OT/LSU (Junior – hasn’t declared)
BJ Raji – NT/Boston Co.

There are some really nice LB prospects this year especially hybrid 3-4’s such as Everette Brown, but I don’t see the Steelers going that direction. But they do love drafting them so nothing is really out of the question.

I wouldn’t mind trading up to get an elite OT, but I pretty sure the 4 elite will be gone before pick 12 (Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher, and Jason Smith). I’m not sure trading up 18-20 picks is a real smart move, but we shall see.

If I were to bet today, I believe that they will move up or down but will not stay at 30, 31, or 32.

by ZnJersey on Jan 6, 2009 1:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Late 2nd Targets

Phil Loadholt – OT/Oklahoma
Trevor Canfield – OG/Cincinnati
Max Unger – C/Oregon
Herman Johnson – OG/LSU…I really think that he is close to 370 lbs.
Fili Moala – DE(3-4)/USC…Haloti Ngata’s cousin
Larry English – OLB/Northern Illinois…aka the next LaMarr Woodley
Fenuki Tupou – OT/Oregon…maybe a bit of a reach, but a possible 3rd Rd. sleeper
Ron Brace – NT/Boston Co…also maybe reaching, but he is a massive run stopper

by ZnJersey on Jan 6, 2009 1:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

BTW

It is obvious that our OL is lacking and our DL is aging, but not a lot of needs over all.

Picking the best player available is always the best move rather than having to reach for a need position. (IMO)

by ZnJersey on Jan 6, 2009 1:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m usually a big proponent of BPA drafting, but we have such a deep team right now with 2 glaring deficiencies that I’m willing to make an exception. We have no use whatsoever for a QB, TE, or RB, and no needs worthy of a 1st rounder at LB and CB (somewhat depending on BMac) considering they’d just sit on the bench for 3 years. I’d like to draft a safety at some point, but there’s no strong push for one in the first. Our WR’s appear to suck, but we’re already crowded there with young players. We could make room for a PR/KR, though.

Meanwhile, our top 3 LT’s are FA’s this year, and our RT should be playing guard or nowhere. I’m about 80% sure Hills is not the answer. We’ve had a lousy OL for several years, but that’s a disaster. On the DL, Hampton runs hot and cold, and the age issues are well documented. We ignored needs and went BPA last year, but I think the needs are too great to ignore this year. A couple good drafts have left us with a pretty deep team and a ton of picks, so lets trade up for the guys we want this year.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hills

dont give up on him yet, i mean its only been one year he’ll develop

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely on board here. BPA drafting is not the way to go this year, though I would be willing to take a stud guard/center in the first round if it looks like all the OTs go early.

by steelguy99 on Jan 6, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Our IOL isn’t nearly the mess OT is, but it’s not exactly a strong point, either.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

B. Leftwich

any way we can sign and trade him for a ray maualaga?

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2009 2:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

haha

kidding or no?

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Leftwich WILL have trade value. I don’t know the player you are talking about, but if we can get an immediate starter at Guard or Tackle, and maybe a 3rd round pick, then I’d trade Leftwich.

Leftwich has more value in the trade market than he has to the Steelers.

by PaulMorel on Jan 7, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if we had him under contract, I doubt he’s garner much more than a 3rd or 4th. Ray Maualuga, btw, is a top 15 LB prospect and could go in the top 5.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 7, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why not

teams will kill for a starting QB, it doesnt matter if we know he’s not much but there are GM who make think otherwise and thats all that matters. Thats business. Thats why I said the browns should have traded Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson while people still thought he was good. You get max value because you get someone who you know is good and then DA goes back to his usual self.

Now people are thinking BL is good enough to be a starting QB there are even steelers fans who think he should start over Ben. I say if there are GMs who think the same thing, trade the guy, get someone good for him and we still have batch and dixon in the back ups. Its a win win situation. Give him the franchise tag (like New England did Cassel) then trade him. That way you automatically get a first round and a third round pic. Whether he is worth is or not is not our problem, its the other team, so first find if there is interest then slap the tag on him if htere is, then trade him. Thats good business.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 8, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Franchise Tag would cost about 14 million dollars for a quarterback. Also their is a provision in the rule that you are not able to Franchise someone to just trade him.

Byron will either be back with the Steelers for the same ammount of money or a little more. (VERY Doubtfull), or he will become a FA and sign with a team that he could compete for the Starting Job. IE: Detroit, NY Jets (assuming Farve is gone), Vikings, Bears, Kansas City, etc.

Although with the Atlanta Falcons experiment from a few years ago, Byron might decide it makes more sense to go to a decent team and be a solid #2 and make decent money.

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 8, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Plainview about the tag. Byron for $13M+ is insane, even for one year.

Even if he was cheap, he has enough of a track record in mediocrity and injury that no one is going to donate a first rounder for him, especially with the crop of QB’s coming out this draft. The Texans traded for Schaub because they thought he could be the next Tom Brady or Brett Favre, not because they thought he could give them 11 games of 85 rating football like Leftwich has shown through his career. Teams take chances on guys who didn’t get their shot, not on guys that have proved they’re about average.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 8, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well...

Nobody? I chuckled silently to myself at the reference. We’ve got some movie savvy folks on the site (remembers the offseason when one of the biggest topics was people’s favorite movies)

by Chicago Steeler on Jan 9, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nobody was probably an exageration….but not too many i’m sure, and yes i remember the convo and I think a few people even mention “There Will Be Blood” if I am not mistaken.

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by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 9, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I won’t suggest it falling on deaf ears has anything to do with your guys terrible taste in movies. :)

by steelguy99 on Jan 9, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no

i mean he gonna leave either way might as well get something for him teams would kill for a starting QB

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

well

We’d be able to get a 6th rounder for him, not the 6th pick overall.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

really

i’d think teams would give at least a 2nd or 3rd round for a starting QB

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think we can really trade him at this point, he has a one year deal that I presume expires after this season. Then he’s free game.

by steelguy99 on Jan 6, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt we’d get more than a 5th. Also, he wouldn’t sign with us if we were just going to trade him

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

that just ruined my day

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol, sorry. Jim Tressel ruined my day, so I’m spreading the love.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

i hate all ohio teams so i love it when ever tressel lose in a big game…. sorry, hate the cavs, bengals and browsn, and the indians all of them don’t win a thing…

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 6, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I grew up in Pa, but I’m living in OH now. For sports I have a more casual interest in, (NCAAFB, NBA) I root for OH teams, but teams I grew up rooting for (Stillers, Pirates), I brought with me.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to hear you’re a pirates fan. Ugh.

by steelguy99 on Jan 6, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s my penitence for rooting for the psuedo front runner Steelers. Also, I think the Bucs are FINALLY headed in the right direction, even though this season won’t be pretty. They have a lot of ground to make up from the Littlefield era – the new administration was left with almost nothing.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do like the direction they are headed, but it’s going to take some time.

Meanwhile, $10 tickets for the lot of us!

by steelguy99 on Jan 6, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Go Buccos!

I have vowed not to wear my Bucco hat until they break .500 in June or later. It has collected a lot of dust.

by Jonny B. on Jan 6, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

heh

They were really close to that mark this past year, but no more. Your best bet might be pulling out you Altoona Curve hat this year.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 6, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He won’t sign with us, period.

by steelguy99 on Jan 6, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

brett favre

coming off his 2nd or 3rd best year as a Pro got traded for much lower than a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Randy Moss, one of the 5 best WRs of all time, got traded for a 4th rounder.

Byron Leftwich is 5-7th rounder at best. Probably no trade value at all really.

by Blitzburgh on Jan 9, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like with Polamalu.....

…they will wait and trade up with some team drafting in the teens or early 20’s.

And remember how Tomlin re-did his special teams coverage unit this year? That’s what he’s gonna do with the Offensive Line.

Someway, somehow, we’re gonna add two outstanding offensive linemen to the roster, and my gut says L’il Smokey, Duke Robinson, will be one of them. (He is the nephew of Rock Legend Smokey Robinson)

If there’s one thing we’ve learned, it’s that the Steelers’ brain trust is super solid on the first day of the draft…and if there’s something they really want and need – they’ll get it.

by Homer J. on Jan 6, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Talent Evaluation

Like you, I trust in the Steelers evaluation. The closest thing we’ve had to a first round bust in the last decade is Troy Edwards. He also played 8 seasons in the league. But Troy caught 61 passes for 714 yards and 5 TDs in his rookie year. By comparison, Santonio has yet to catch 61 in a season, although he has topped Troy’s yards and TDs. Point is, Edwards underachieved the rest of his career, but he was not a “bust.”

That’s why I will sit back and let the front office do its work. These guys obviously know what they’re doing and you can bet whoever we draft will be the best fit for the team.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 6, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

1st Round Picks

I know that last year all of the “good” OT’s went quick, but there were also only two QB’s taken in the first round. Any chance that the need of QB’s and availability of quality QB’s (or not?) shift the tide this year and leave an OT for us? Also, I’ve seen some mock drafts having us take a WR in the first round. Thoughts on a WR with Santonio’s average performance this year, Ward’s eventual impending retirement (is his contract up this year or next?) and Washington’s free agency? Limas can’t fill all 3 slots himself. Just a couple of thoughts I’ve had while being really excited for the Chargers game..

by QB7rules on Jan 7, 2009 1:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

draft and limas

from what i have seen it looks like there could be a good QB class, IF they all declare for the draft, if not the QB pool will probably be pretty shallow.

As far as Limas goes, the jury is still out for me- I realize we didnt get a lot of chances to see him in action this year, but from what I did see, I am not confident that he will catch the ball consistently. I may be wrong , and hopefully I am and he becomes a major weapon— would be interesteed to hear you guys’ thoughts on this one.

by indianasteelers on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree about the QB class

The top 4 eligible QB’s IMO are all underclassmen: Bradford, Stafford, McCoy, and Sanchez. All those guys could stand another year in college (especially Sanchez), but I’d hardly criticize them for coming out early. If none of them come out, we might have to wait until the second or third round to see a QB taken.

If we got a sweet deal (basically only Crabtree haha or Maclin) I’d think about it, but if we’re just getting average value for our position, I’d rather reach on a lineman. I don’t want Harvin. There’s both top end talent and depth in this OT class, and I see no reason why we shouldn’t be able to trade up for one. If not and OT, then a DE/DT like Cody, Raji, or Moala and grab a bunch of mid round OT’s.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 7, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We CAN trade up.....

The Steelers have depth at the skill positions, and special teams coverage is solid. The big need is linemen.

They’ll have at least one compansatory draft pick coming their way.

Forgive me for saying what’s politically incorrect: they don’t need that many players.

The teams that need quantity will draft ahead of Pittsburgh.

A first round draft choice and the Ghost of Alan Faneca (his compensatory pick or something lke that) may be the ticket to trading up to get an outstanding offensive lineman.

Nothing happens till we get to pick number eight or something like that, but I see the Steelers trading up to get a solid trench warrior in the middle of the first round.

by Homer J. on Jan 7, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree we should definitely go OL in round 1

We should also draft a DE during the first few rounds. Another guy I want us to get is Shonn Greene in round 2 or round 3 (if he is available). Two reasons for this: 1. I went to Iowa, and we don’t have any Hawkeyes on the Steelers active roster and 2. He is a very powerful runner with more elusiveness and breakaway speed than the ESPN “experts” give him credit for. The only thing that Greene can’t do is catch the ball out of the backfield. If we draft Greene and Mendenhall comes back full strength we can have one of the best backfields in the league.

by houksyndrome on Jan 7, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure we need another RB, but I wouldn’t object to him in the 3rd, depending on what we do with our early picks.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 7, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on how Mendenhall is healing.

by PaulMorel on Jan 7, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Houksyndrome

You read my mind. I would love to see Greene in the same uni he wore in college, scratch the logo.

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 7, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing about Greene that many don't know is that he is older than most, 23-24 years old

However, he didn’t play much at Iowa until this year . He went to prep school for a year, so he enrolled in Iowa at 19. Then I think he redshirted, was a third stringer for two seasons (God knows why), was academically ineligible last year, and then kicked ass this year. So he really only has one year of heavy load. It should also be noted that he started every game and had 100+ yards rushing every game. He had some injuries during the season, but they never kept him out of the lineup – in contrast to, say, Beanie Wells.

I definitely think that Greene would be a steal for us in the 3rd round. He would also help our short yardage struggles. Obviously the lines are our biggest concerns. Skill guys from Iowa tend to get under rated – see Bob Sanders (late 2nd round) or Dallas Clark. The announcers are all saying Greene is mid-round material. I think he would provide great value with a 3rd round pick.

by houksyndrome on Jan 8, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We're on the same page

Yep almost everything you said has gone through my mind since learning about this kid last year, after seeing him in a bowl game on tv. I also find it just a little troubling that he is older but as you said, he hasn’t had a lot of wear and tear. I also have thought that he’d be well worth a third round pick if he’s available that late, which is shocking. Comparing him to Mendenhall, he had more rushing TD’s and rushing yards then Mendenhall, and yet Rashard was a first rounder and Greene may very well be a 3rd or even 4th round back.

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 8, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

He’s ranked that far back on the draft boards? From what i’ve seen he’s considered one of the top 5 backs declaring this year. I’d be amazed if he made it past the 2nd round.

But he’s a beast, that’s for sure.

by Chicago Steeler on Jan 8, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

if he’ll be this year’ Chris Johnson, in the sense that he’ll be drafted in round 1 on draft day, and everyone will ask who this kid is, or if teams will just find some flaw with him and let him slide to day 2.

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 8, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Guard and/or Tackle

At least one of our top 2 picks needs to go to the best available Guard or Tackle. Personally, I think we need to draft the best available Tackle in the 1st round, and the best available Guard in the 2nd round. I don’t follow college football, so I don’t know who that would be, but our O-line is the only thing holding us back right now.

by PaulMorel on Jan 7, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

to add on to my post: The Steelers need to do everything in their power to get Colon out of the starting rotation. He is a liability, and costs the Steelers a minimum of 10 yards in penalties per game.

by PaulMorel on Jan 7, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see Colon at guard before axing him completely. We all know that will never happen though.

by steelguy99 on Jan 7, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Colon get a shot at guard, but I have a feeling he would fail there too.

When I watch Colon, he reminds me of Kendall Simmons in that he has the physical ability to succeed but makes a ton of mistakes when he plays in games. Perhaps he gets nervous during the games or something. Perhaps moving Colon to guard would help him, but when I watch him play I see a “mistsake factory” and I don’t see how moving him to guard would help. Now if his problem was physical, say he lacked the lateral quickness to block pass rushers, but was a powerful drive blocker who didn’t make a lot of mental mistakes, then I would expect a transition to guard to help him immensely.

by houksyndrome on Jan 8, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lacking physical ability and knowing you lack it can lead to physical mistakes. I’d like to see him try it out, and we need to stop this nonsense of cutting / trading backup O-linemen. Our depth right now is virtually non-existent on the O-line, and has been since marvel went down, and that was a long time ago.

by steelguy99 on Jan 8, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

While we are on the subject, are we really convinced that our biggest need is Left tackle?

Colon has been the weakest link for us this year. Starks has held up okay on the left side (knock on wood). I read something last year about Starks being more comfortable on the left side because he is left handed, and gets better leverage to the outside when he plays LT. I didn’t like Starks at RT at all. The only Steeler game I have ever been to was ‘06 Raiders and he gave up 2.5 sacks that day – none of them were Roethlisberger’s fault either, it was just Starks getting his butt whipped. If Starks can continue his level of play, I could live with him at LT. We just need to get a better right tackle, either through the draft or free agency. We also have to figure out whether we will be a power running team or a zone blocking team – and draft/trade/sign accordingly.

by houksyndrome on Jan 8, 2009 12:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Colon is better than nothing, and unless we want to see Capizzi or Parquet on the left, we’re going to have to sign or draft a LT. Even if we sign Starks, he’s not the long term fix on the left, and I don’t see how he wouldn’t be a little better on the right. I’d be okay with starting him there and putting a rookie on the left. Really we need both and may draft multiple OT’s, but LT’s are harder to come by, and we have no one even resembling a long term LT on our roster.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 8, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But,

If their is no stud LT on the board, I would rather not reach for him, so It may make sense to grab a RT or Guard that is a total Stud!

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Jan 8, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

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by BadMaafala on Jan 8, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the idea of signing a tackle.........

…then we draft an O-lineman in round 1 and a D-lineman in round 2. The guys named above sound fine to me…..I also like the idea of Greene in round 3, but he does sound like a name that will jump by draft time – the combine will take care of that.
I think we’ll improve on the O-line next year with Simmons back……but a question – is Marvel done? This is the 2nd year in a row ending on IR……if he could come back and actually play – that would help immensely. I’m thinking that if we can throw some cash at a quality O-line guy, it may help us immediately (and for a few years), and then we draft to help us with depth and down the line.
I still wonder if none of our guys on the line have improved because perhaps Zierlein is in over his head? Russ Grimm leaving hurt us badly – it might be time for Tomlin to look at replacing the O-line coach.
Can you imagine how good Ben could/would be if he were playing behind a top 15 or top 10 offensive line? Wow!!!
D-line definitely needs to be looked at………..Casey might get hungry again in the off-season, although I heard he had some personal stuff going on that kept him from taking proper care of himself, so likely there won’t be a repeat. We do need to work on some solid depth for both lines.
I definitely agree that we have a deep and talented team – just need to get some heavy lifters this year.

by SteelerNorth on Jan 8, 2009 1:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Zieren over his head?

I’ve wondered about that, too. But there’s no way to make a fair analysis based on this year.

The OL – which couldn’t protect Benji last year – lost Faneca, Smith, and Simmons this year. Faneca was terribly overrated in pass protection, but he earned all-pro status as a run blocker. All the king’s coaches and all the king’s men couldn’t paper over that loss.

Losing Mahan was addition by subtraction, and Hartwig has been a net plus as well. Stapleton has been a very pleasant surprise. You have to give Zieren credit for “coaching him up.” And Stapleton is gonna be around for a long time, so long as he stays healthy. He’s a real Steeler.

Injuries and the loss of Faneca to free agency left an already weak offensive line in disastrous shape, and yet they’ve managed to keep it from totally collapsing. Zieren could be the best offensive line coach in history, but if he doesn’t have the horses, he can’t run in the race, and we’ll never know.

Let’s wait a year….see who they keep, who they draft, and who they sign. Then we can fairly take the measure of the man as a coach.

by Homer J. on Jan 8, 2009 4:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless marvel takes vet minimum he’s gone, and even then…I don’t know that the steelers would sign him.

by steelguy99 on Jan 8, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with the idea that our OL is better with Simmons.

Simmons, like Colon, is a mistake factory. He is talented but he personally kills at least one drive per game with a penalty or disastrous missed block. I think Stapleton is better than Simmons. I am not an OL expert by any means, but I don’t notice Stapleton when he plays. Guys like Simmons/Colon are constantly getting my attention by missing blocks, false starting or holding.

by houksyndrome on Jan 8, 2009 2:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Man, that saying great minds think alike is going through my mind over and over right now. lol

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 8, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons will play next year

We invested good money in him not too long ago. Don’t underestimate the overcompensation factor. Most of the mistakes made by Simmons were, in my opinion, made because he had to protect the revolving door of a RT we have. He did have alot of penalties, most were made trying to help out a tackle who was in over his head about 80% of the time. Plus he is the veteran voice on the o-line. Something we need, a young o-line is a liability, unless they have someone to go to on the field that they trust to tell them where they f-ed up. Do we have anybody else like that? Could you see a rookie guard or tackle asking Hartwig or Kemo where they messed up? The only way to get that is to have someone right there with them, experiencing the same defense coming at them. Not even coaches can correct on field mistakes as they happen.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 8, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

true

Last year he had Colon on his right and Mahan on his left. Now he still looked awful at times, but it’s hard to look good with those two flanking you.

by Chicago Steeler on Jan 8, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not just talking about last year w/respect to Simmons

He has been mistake prone his whole career. BTW, false starts are his fault and his alone. You can’t blame those on Colon or Mahan. Our best year on the OL in recent memory was 2004 – Simmons didn’t play in 2004. I think Simmons is physically talented (as is Colon) they just make a lot of mistakes during games. Football is a game of mistakes.

by houksyndrome on Jan 8, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus...

You can’t “burn the barn down to kill the rats”. As much as I would like to get rid of our whole o-line, it’s not that easy. Putting in 2 new starters is risky. More than that and your looking for at least one year of trouble. Continuity built this franchise. At least 3 maybe four of these guys will start next year. My guess…Starks (RT or LT), Kemo, Hartwig, and Simmons will be back and start. The thing that worries me is I keep hearing how FAT Willie is making “strides” at right tackle, according to Tomlin. Maybe thats a keep your head up thing, until next year, when your gone. But theoretically I could see us bring this whole group back.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 8, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind

The more I read what I just wrote the more I thought burn that sucker down. It can’t get much worse.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Jan 8, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s time to pull out the kerosene

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by BadMaafala on Jan 8, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ditch Kemo

I’d rather have the Stapler and Simmons. If Kemo’s cheap he can be a backup again.

by Chicago Steeler on Jan 8, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I think there’s a better chance that Stapleton can limit the mental mistakes, since he’s still somewhat new to the league. Kemo’s had tons of time to learn and still can’t get it done. Stapleton has shown me enough to think he could be a decent guard in the league with a little more refinement. Hopefully him and Hartwig will be the only guys still here in 2 years.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 9, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that continuity helps dramatically with the OL. If those 5 guys aren't on the same page then it is real ugly.

However, with respect to Colon and Simmons. I think they are mistake prone players and will continue to be mistake prone. I am starting to believe that the quality of an offensive line is determined not by its best player but by its worst player. The old “chain is only as strong as its weakest link” business. I don’t see how continuity is going to help Simmons/Colon because so many of their mistakes are solely their fault. For example, say we have a huge 3rd and short and Simmons or Colon false start. Mistakes like that are not going to go away with continuity.

by houksyndrome on Jan 8, 2009 11:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

A line can overcome one or two sub par guys (running away from them, helping them in pass pro), but you need some above average or dominant guys to do so. A line made of Walter Jones, Chris Kemoeatu, Kevin Mawae, Steve Hutchison and Jordan Gross isn’t going to have problems. We have zero above average linemen, though. I like Hartwig, but he’s not a dominant player. None of them (even Colon) are bad every game, but when they aren’t bad, they’re average, not dominant, and thus can’t overcome their teamates who are having rough games.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 9, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yall are draft nerds

I love it.

These couple of months after the playoffs are going to be ridiculous.

by Blitzburgh on Jan 9, 2009 11:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

After the quest for draft pick 32.

by steelguy99 on Jan 9, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Percy Harvin

I hope he stays in school another year so we can pick him next year. I would love him on this team.

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 10, 2009 1:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Draft

is like Christmas in the NFL

by tannofsteel84 on Jan 10, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Terrence Cody

Big and I mean BIG BIG, nose tackle out of Alabama coming out this year does anyone know?

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 10, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cody said he’s not going to declare. He has some time to think about it, though, and he’d probably go in the top 15 if he did come out. If the rookie pay scale gets ironed out this offseason like some have suggested, he could lose out on an awful lot of money if he did stay one more year.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 11, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ah

thank you

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 11, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I posted this on the ESPN draft board

Now that the extent of Marvel Smith’s injury has been released, I believe maybe we should keep him. They found another small piece of herniated disk lodged in his nerve and removed it. This is the second time he has had this surgery. After having the first one, he was ballin. I am certain after this one he will recover his form and hopefully this will be the last of this problem. Anyway we should take a chance on him. Because he wasn’t able to play most of the season, he will not receive the big free agency dollars that he would have. Therefore, the Steelers could probably resign him for much less than was expected before the injury. Scouts.com has him ranked #2 on free agent Left Tackles. If we can resign M. Starks for reasonable money then we can have Smith – LT, Starks – RT, Hartwig – C, Stapleton and Simmons -OG. This offensive line is already two times better than our current. So with this improved line already, we then go out and draft the best OLinemen possible to compete/win/learn/supplement. As for as 7th rounders… look up Javorski Lane. This is the guy we need for short yardage situations… he’s an Offensive Lineman playing FB

by SteelCityDefense on Jan 11, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m fine signing marvel, but not at more than veteran minimum.

by steelguy99 on Jan 11, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think this woud be a good move

He’s obviously not dependable, but he could be a good mentor, and if he could start even a couple games for us next year, he could make a rookie’s life a lot easier. I wouldn’t want to sign him for more than a year, but I wouldn’t mind giving him more than the min. Maybe $1-1.5M.

Still, depends on how his back looks. No one else is going to sign him before he recovers, so it should give us a chance to wait and see.

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by BadMaafala on Jan 11, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know anything about marvel, and obviously football players are competitors. BUT, I’d have to wonder how much he really wants to come back. He’s towards the end of his playing time and likely can’t make big money because of his back. Continuing to play and putting his back in jeopardy more is something that must be weighing on his mind.

Marvel is going to have a tough life after football, and I don’t think the extra mil or 2 a year is going to help much if he keeps hurting his back. Back injuries are not a pleasant way to live, even if you have topless girls feeding you cuba libre’s on a beach in nicaragua.

by steelguy99 on Jan 11, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

I don’t think it’s worth the risk. If he goes down like he has a good shot at doing, we just throw away good money. Plus I don’t see him playing well even if he is healthy, what with his age and multiple surgeries.

If we do resign him I hope he proves me wrong.

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 11, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Saw Javorski Lane on the teevee....

..and he’s a fucking beast.

Love the name, too. Straight out of the Wylie Avenue Book of Baby Names.

Maybe mama was a big fan of Texas superlawyer Leon Jaworski and had a little trouble with the spelling.

Or maybe he has a brother named Lebowski. A big brother.

by Homer J. on Jan 11, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

this guy is ridiculous

I’ve never seen a 270 pounder run as fast as this guy does. No doubt he’d be a major upgrade over Gary Russell

by tdp992 on Jan 11, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually disregard my "fastest 270 pounder" comment

but still I definitely wouldn’t mind a 6th/7th round pick on this guy. He could be a major game changer since we’ve been the worst team in the league this year on 3rd/4th and short.

by tdp992 on Jan 11, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

only problem I got with him

is he gets overly emotional on the sidelines, if that ‘s possible. You saw some of those clips of him crying like a baby. There’s no problem with being emotional, but for the love of God man, have some dignity.

To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)

Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Jan 19, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry dude

At the 13th overall pick , Troy Edwards was a bust, I dont care if he was fourth on the Jags depth chart in his seventh season, he was a bust. So were Jamain Stephens,(rd1) Jeremy Staat(2), Alonzo Jackson(2),Ricardo Colclough(2) , that white safety , Scott Frost? or Shields?(2) Maybe late second rounders cant be busts, but they should make your squad.

by Micculus on Jan 13, 2009 12:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Scott Shields/white-guy RBs/DBs-

Scott Shields wasn’t a bust. Cowher just hated him, and they moved him from DB to LB and back in three seasons. The guy was fast, big, and hit like a ton of bricks. Remember: Cowher hated Vrabel, too. Said Vrabel was too stupid and slow to play LB, but V. won 3 rings in (f*cking) NE.

Personally, i’m starting to see a prejudice in the NFL against white players in the backfields(RB/DB) where none should exist. The old wives tale about white guys being “too slow” or “too stiff” is as racist as saying black guys are all born athletes- it just ain’t true. Ask Erkl if ya need proof. SD had Jacob Hester at FB, but never thought to let him try to run the ball this year despite struggles in the rush game…which, IMHO was a mistake. Same with Owen Schmitt in Seattle, who gained 40+ on his only carry this year for a terrible team w/no run-blocking.

We(Pittsburgh) coulda really used Schmitt as a short-yardage RB/TE/STer and punt returner, where he excelled at WVU.

Racist prejudice in either direction is saddening and a loss for all involved.

 Anyway- Scott Shields was a fairly decent FS, but was told to gain weight to play OLB, then made to shed the weight again to go back to FS and finally was inexplicably cut.

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