A Look Back at the Steelers-Chargers 2008 Regular Season Match Up
When the Pittsburgh Steelers and the San Diego Chargers met in Week 11, both teams were entering a critical stretch of their season. The Chargers were 4-5, and nobody would have thought that 8 wins would have been enough to win the AFC West. They were desperate. For Pittsburgh, the team was coming off two tough losses in the previous 3 weeks against the New York Giants and the Indianapolis Colts, with an impressive road win at Washington sandwiched in between. As enjoyable and desperately needed as the Redskins game was on Monday Night football, Big Ben had no part in the W. In fact, he struggled mightily in the first half before being injured as intermission approached. It was Byron Leftwich who provided the spark off the bench. .
Ben would hurry back the following week against the Colts and have his moments, but two 4th quarter INTs opened the door for a previously stymied Peyton Manning led Colts offense.
The loss vs the Colts put us at 6-3 and Steelers nation was beginning to wonder if 2008 was really going to shape up much differently than 2007. That is, it was hard at that moment to say with supreme confidence that we were going to be much better than a 10 win team capable of making a playoff run. Both losses were home games; both were games we had leads in late; and both losses left us wondering if this particular Steelers team would be able to muster up the requisite offensive efficiency to be legitimate contenders for a Super Bowl run. Sure the offensive line was weak and we knew that was not likely to change. But when we hosted the Chargers in Week 11, we also were wondering if our franchise QB was ever going to be healthy enough to help us overcome some of the offenses' other weaknesses.
Like he has so many times before, Ben bounced back. Let's take a look at how he fared when we squared off with the Chargers in Week 11.
To the pessimists, Ben's performance was 'no good'. We only scored 11 points after all. He had 0 TD passes, struggled a bit in the red zone, and took 4 sacks on the day, not all of which were the fault of the OL. To me and others though, the game was a wonderful step in the right direction for Ben. If we can get the same level of play from him Sunday that we got in Week 11, I think we'll be just fine. His decision making was sound for the most part, he was tremendously accurate (75+ % on 41 passes don't lie), and most importantly, he didn't turn the ball over.
Here's what I wrote after the game:
* He's baaaaaaaaaaaaack! Ben made about one or two mistakes all afternoon by my count. Both had to do with him holding the ball a bit too long on 3 step drops. In previous weeks, his errors were much more costly. Ben finished the day 31/41 for 308 yards, with no TDs and 0 INTs. His passes were unbelievably accurate and for most all of the second half, they were delivered at the right time. Perhaps his best sequence of the day was on our last possession. Facing 1st and 20 after (another!) holding call, Ben calmly found Hines for 8 yards. Then Spaeth for 6. Then, on 3rd and 6, with us not yet in FG range, Ben rolled left, then back right a step or two before delivering a perfectly placed dart to Hines Ward for the 1st down. Like I said, he's baaaaack. While we're at it, add to his league leading 24th come from behind victories in the 4th quarter since 2004. I hate guys who win lots of football games.
* More on this, but that last drive to win it?? 6:00 minutes plus. Gigantic 3rd down conversions. Nice mix and match of runs and passes. Solid time management, and exquisite decision making by Roethlisberger not to force things. And give some credit to the line too. They took over the game in the second half, particularly in the 4th quarter and on that drive.
Couple points:
1) Ben never was able to turn a proverbial corner this year and string together multiple solid games in a row. But it was that game where it appeared Roethlisberger had really learned from the mistakes that cost us Ws against the Giants and the Colts. The Steelers of course rattled off 5 games in a row before losing to Tennesee in Week 15, and during the streak, Ben I believe threw just one INT. There were a few fumbles littered in there, but for the most part, Roeth went about 1/3 of the year playing the kind of smart QB that we'll need to advance in the playoffs.
2) We ran the ball well that day, including during the game-winning drive. Willie Parker rushed for over 115 yards on 25 carries.
*****
So how exactly did we muster just 11 points when Ben threw for 300+, FWP ran for over 100 yards, and held a 36+ minute to 23+ minute TOP advantage?
Penalties. That's how. The Steelers had 13 penalties on the afternoon for 115 yards compared to just 2 penalties for 5 yards against the Chargers. It wasn't just the volume of penalties either - it was the timing of them as well. A number of our infractions came in SD territory, stalling what were otherwise very productive drives. We can't have that on Sunday. We saw what happened to Indy when they failed to put away the Chargers, then got penalized late. San Diego may be banged up and very beatable, but they're also very resilient and very capable of taking advantage of miscues.
Oh, and of course it doesn't help when you get stoned at the goal line on 4th down.Or when you have to settle for 3 deep inside their red zone on two other possessions. That's 21 possible points that led to just 6 that day.
Field position; turnovers; penalties. This is a simple formula for success against San Diego when you consider all the variables surrounding the two teams (namely injuries and rested vs. worn down). If we were to win and advance to the AFC title game against either Baltimore or Tennesee, the Steelers will likely have to play a much more complete game than they might need on Sunday to emerge victorious.
Sounds simple, but as we all know, nothing's a given in this league, and certainly not with this football team. If Week 11 taught us anything, it's that we can move the ball on this Chargers team. So could Indy though last week and they weren't able to score enough points to win. To me, this is a fantastic match up and opportunity for the Steelers to do some nice things, collect a W, gain some momentum and advance on to the AFC Championship game.
Take advantage Pittsburgh! Go Steelers!
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fumbling
Could be a potential keyin point to Sproles’ game. It’s a small sample size, but he has shown an alarming rate of coughing the ball up.
And if somehow Vincent Jackson doesn’t play, I think that goes a long way to neutralizing Sproles. That he didn’t have a single catch was part of the reason Sproles’ had a huge game.
by vherub on Jan 7, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That fumble on saturday was brutal. I expect our D to be all over that, and they’ve been practicing knocking it out of Mendy’s hands all year.
by steelguy99 on Jan 7, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vincent Jackson is playing
Norv put out the word today.
Sproles does fumble a bit, but keep in mind that his fumbles are a bit inflated due to the occasional muffed punt. However if he starts against the Pittsburgh defense I’ll be a little worried about a key fumble coming out at some point.
by John (obviousman) on Jan 7, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I worry about it too. He runs so hard that I’m always worried about a violent collision popping the ball out. You add in all the big hitters the Steelers have and it worries me.
"When Bellotti attempted to shake the hand of Oklahoma State quarterback Zac Robinson after the game, Robinson offered his left hand. His right was swollen and battered from the Ducks' defense."
by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 7, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope one of those “occasional muffed punts” occurs this week. Our punter has booted up some knucklers that have been muffed as well as some wounded ducks that have hit the upman.
by Jonny B. on Jan 7, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why in the HELL would you want to wound a duck. That just hurts, man.
I do hope it’s not windy. Although there have been a couple of muffs, I’m not scared all the time because he really is pretty solid. Also, you have to be willing to risk a muff here and there when you have a guy that can totally change the game like that.
"When Bellotti attempted to shake the hand of Oklahoma State quarterback Zac Robinson after the game, Robinson offered his left hand. His right was swollen and battered from the Ducks' defense."
by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 7, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The muffed punts
were more of a problem during his first year as punt returner/kick returner. Either it was jitters (come on, the guy is 5’5"….at some point he had to be a little nervous about somebody actually killing him on the field) or Sproles looking upfield before looking the ball into his hands. Hasn’t happened much since that first year.
I’ll agree with MarineCorpsDuck that he runs really hard. Sproles greatest advantage is that defenses see him and think they can take him out with a big hit. Then while they’re trying to land a big hit he can get by them or duck under them. He almost never gets hit square. Eventually defenses realize this and start trying to wrap him up (easier since he’s small) and knock the ball out. It’s not like he has a fumbling problem to speak of, it’s just the only way defenses know to try and stop him.
by John (obviousman) on Jan 8, 2009 8:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Panalties
Of course, the biggest injustice to come out of the Ed Hochuli call is the fact that the refs are now bound and determined to make up for it for the rest of the year by penalizing S.D.s opponents. Yeah, if they missed holding calls on the Chargers in the Colts game, do you think they will miss Harrison getting held this week? Bet on it.
Although, I believe that this week starts the mixing of the ref teams. I believe from here on out, they use an “All-Star” group of refs for each game, matching the best refs from every group. Keep your fingers crossed.
Go Steelers!
by WyoFan on Jan 7, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ref All Star crews
The don’t start mixing crews until the conference championships.
The 8 best graded crews each get one playoff game in the wc and divisional round, then they take the 3 best graded officials at each spot and they each get one game out of the championships and the Super Bowl. Peter King had a writeup about this in MMQB this week.
by JHolmes on Jan 7, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's Bullshit
Holding calls are being called at a drastically lower rate this year than in years past. And it’s not because refs are trying to make something up to the Chargers. It’s another way in which the league is trying to protect quarterbacks and produce more offense.
Outside of two games this year (the Hoculi game included), the Chargers games have been very fairly officiated. The other one was the first time we met up against the Colts, when it was obvious that the Colts were getting some horrible penalties called for them to try and keep them in the game (and it worked, because they eventually won). The Chargers, at least through the first 12 game of this year, had many big pass interference penalties called against them that cost us the game late and had many offensive drives stopped with holding penalties and false starts. One of the things that can be attributed to the Chargers recent success is more discipline.
I’ll argue that the holding call against Tim Jennings in overtime was a little ticky-tack because the ball was seemingly overthrown, but when you’re holding a small, quick WR it’s going to get called and you’re not going to be able to argue that he couldn’t get to the ball. The better move there would’ve been to go for the ball. The other two overtime penalties were egregious and cannot be argued.
by John (obviousman) on Jan 7, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I looked through the penalty history for SD to see if there was indeed a tendency to make up for the issues earlier in the year. Aside from the PIT game, the penalties for SD games have been pretty down the middle. In conclusion, I’d agree with obviousman that penalties have been pretty square.
I don’t think that the next SD @ PIT game will have the disparity of the last one – the issues over the last one were fairly well documented.
by steelguy99 on Jan 7, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holding penalties
are almost out of the game unless they’re severe. As I stated below, if holding penalties were being called against Pitt with regularity in the week 11 game it either had something to do with the Chargers pointing out something to the refs that Pitt’s O-line was trying to get away with or Ben was simply holding the ball for too long.
"A total of 880 holding infractions were made over the course of the 2005 season. At the rate of the whistles through the first five weeks of the 2008 campaign, the number of holding calls will be down to approximately 543 at regular-season’s end. "
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/nfl/magee/20081012-9999-1s12nflcol.html
by John (obviousman) on Jan 8, 2009 8:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or
c) The refs called a terrible game
I choose c. Ding ding ding, I’m a winner!
by steelguy99 on Jan 8, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There were several blatant holding calls that were missed on the Chargers, while tons of questionable calls on the Steelers.
I’m not saying there was a conspiracy, but the refs called an awful game. I will say that something about James Harrison, whether his height or strength or whatever keeps officials from seeing/calling holding against him. Here’s a little evidence and a little reminder:
http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=4786
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by BadMaafala on Jan 8, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The block where he is blatantly being held by two guys on the helmet is one of my “favorites”. I love that keisel still gets the sack on that play – james harrison would have ended rivers though.
by steelguy99 on Jan 8, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Video didn't work for me...
After watching a lot of the Chargers 3-4 attack the past few years I will say that I see less holding penalties called for rushing linebackers (especially on the outside rush) than for your typical defensive end. Perhaps the idea is that the linebacker is quicker, smaller and has a few steps before he gets to the tackle so he could turn his body in a way that forces a hold on every play. Therefore if you don’t call it you’re forcing him to try and beat the tackle on skill and only calling the REALLY bad holding calls.
Kindof like “your scheme gives you an advantage so we’re going to not give it to you.” Bullshit, I know, but I don’t think the Steelers are the only one having these problems.
by John (obviousman) on Jan 8, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
except in our game
in week 11 right?
What did our offense have 3 holding calls to SD’s none?
Take your baby blue and yellow glasses off for a second and you will see what WyoFan was saying. Refs are going to, most likely, over compensate for the Hochuli mistake. Human nature.
Here is to hoping it doesn’t matter :)
Good luck – i bet it is going to be a hell of a game
by 703Steeler on Jan 7, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Why would the refs over compensate for the Hochuli mistake?
Look, every teams loses at least one game a year due to a bad ball. Maybe not as obvious as the Hochuli call, but a bad holding call or a bad PI call or a bad no-call on the final drive of the game is just as damaging. And it goes both ways. The same way we lost that game because of a call, we’ve probably won a game or two because of a bad call that went our way towards the end of another game. Just the way these things go. But outside of Hochuli himself doing it, I see no reason why another ref or ref team would take it upon themselves to try and help the Chargers to win a game. Changing the outcome of a game with bad calls is what has gotten Ed Hochuli punished and any ref caught doing the same would be punished the same.
By the way, want an example of the refs not hating the Steelers? How about the super bowl you won? Maybe the Steelers got called for 3 more holding penalties than SD in week 11 occured because they held Chargers defenders 3 more times than we held Steelers defenders?
by John (obviousman) on Jan 8, 2009 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The steelers had 13 penalties to san diego’s 1. Don’t even try to justify it.
by steelguy99 on Jan 8, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We went 25 or so quarters without getting a holding call on an opposing OL. This against two 10+ sack pass rushers. Meanwhile, our OL does suck, but they’ve been called for a ton of holding penalties this year. The Chargers game was just the most obvious evidence of that disparity.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 7, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I may be biased but it seems as if Woodley gets held everytime he takes the outside route instead of bull rushing the tackle. It’s infuriating when holding allows the QB to convert a third down pass and it’s not called.
by qwikdoc on Jan 7, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That happens to every LB and DE who goes outside
The trick is to fall down or get “pulled down” so it’s obvious enough that the refs have to call it. Like I said above, holding calls across the NFL are down because they’re trying to protect the quarterback and this would be a good example of that.
by John (obviousman) on Jan 8, 2009 8:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't basketball
We want football players, not guys who can take a charge. Holding is an infraction for a reason. No where in the rule does it require a player to fall down for the call to be made but you’re right, that is what is happening. If the NFL wants that to be a rule, fine, write it in the rulebook. But as long as there is an informal and collusive deemphasis on the holding penalty without any official action the non calls become an issue.
I’m not saying this is a favoritism issue. It’s a clandestine NFL offensive promotion/Arena League movement across the board.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 8, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Right now, OL’s are doing things that are considered holding by the rulebook definition without getting called. In the past, they’ve changed rules (DB illegal contact, force outs, roughing the passer), but here they seem to be calling the game differently without explaining the rule change. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to which calls get made, and which don’t, and that’s my biggest problem. We’ve gotten nailed with some very untimely yes-it-was-holding-but-come-on calls while watching our OLB’s get mauled consistently without a call.
I’m all for protecting QB’s – no offense needs that more than ours – but there has to be a way to make the calls less arbitrary. Hopefully, since there haven’t been as many scandals to deal with this year, the league will actually do something this off-season and iron out this issue.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 8, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how is 13-2 (2 penalties for 5 yards) is that even? explain that.
by Bleed-Black&Gold on Jan 7, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When a disparity like that happens....
It usually means the Chargers spotted something (like a player or offensive line holding in a certain way) and pointed it out to the refs on gameday.
Also, from what I’ve been hearing this week it sounds like Roethlisberger has had a tendency to hold on to the ball too long this year. Perhaps the disparity in holding calls came from Roethlisberger holding onto to the ball too long while Rivers got rid of it quickly?
Your guys aren’t pessimistic, you’re conspiracy theorists. The refs don’t hate the Steelers and they’re not trying to make up for Hochuli’s mistake. The NFL watches every game over and over and checks for favoritism. The refs HAVE to call it down the middle. Hochuli got penalized for his one missed call. And he didn’t miss that call because he hates the Chargers, he just made a mistake.
by John (obviousman) on Jan 8, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben always holds the ball that long, yet the steelers do not rack up an abnormal amount of penalties. No, the san diego came versus pit was called very, very wrongly – I don’t give a crap what the chargers “spotted”.
Penalty james farrior – illegal block above waist
offside aaron smith
PI on polamalu
illegal formation on willie colon
illegal block on timmons
offensive holding on hines ward
fair catch interference on anthony smith (but fun to watch!)
ineligble downfield kick on k. fox
illegal block above waist by hines ward
false start on holmes
false start on stapleton
offensive holding on sweed
offensive holding on hines ward
offensive holding on sean mchugh
You might notice that our penalties are spread out through wide receivers, LBs, FB, and safeties. This wasn’t “one thing” that was singled out. Hines ward has been in this league a long time and I would be shocked if he ever had three penalties in one game.
If you want to label us conspiracy theorists feel free. The rest of vegas is on board with us. A touchdown at the end of the game is blown, not because it affects the game or it is the right call…the only conclusion large swaths of angry bettors can draw was because the point spread was in jeopardy. There will always be conspiracy theorists and there won’t always be a fairly called game. You can be damn sure that if the penalties were reversed (13 on the chargers, 1 on the steelers) and we won 11-10 that you’d be saying the same thing. Maybe not you, but a large percentage of chargers fans.
by steelguy99 on Jan 8, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Polamalu never gets called for PI so something is fishy right there. But as I recall that should have been on Ike. Maybe I’m wrong.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 8, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was on Ike in the end zone
They score there only Td on that call.
by Jonny B. on Jan 8, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Garbage call also
That one really pissed me off because the receiver if I recall was pretty much nowhere near the ball. He certainly had no chance to catch it.
by Mechem on Jan 8, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Recap
Ben ate our secondary alive last game, in less-than-desirable conditions for doing so.
Although the Chargers secondary has gotten better over the past few weeks (mostly due to an increased pass rush), I’m still hoping that Ben is a little groggy.
by John (obviousman) on Jan 7, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Penalties
I dont think anybody makes anything up to anybody. They wanna get it right. Believe me its not about make up calls, because when they mess one up the last thing they want is to come under scrutiny again. And they know all eyes are on in another matchup.
As far as the game, I think its going to be a rough first half as we usually do but I think we pretty much separate and hold the lead in the 2nd.
by Mechem on Jan 7, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So, so so wrong.
As kindly as I can say this: How long have you been watching football? You are not familiar with the make-up penalty? Everyone I know knows that if the refs screw up a call, they will make a favorable call for the team they screwed, later in the game. Back me up anybody. Anybody?
by WyoFan on Jan 7, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That DOES happen but not in 2 separate games
But only on smaller scale things. And im talking about from one game to another.
I would say the 2nd San Diego game was WAY more evenly called.
Sure occasionally if a ref butchers something, you might see a hold go the other way. But if they screw up one game they certainly will not counter balance the next game between those same people. Im saying if anything they totally want to keep it perfect. No skewing it either way.
by Mechem on Jan 7, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing
is that the make up call usually comes in the form of a borderline call that could go either way. It’s not as if the refs make some Hochulian mistake on purpose to avenge the poor call.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 8, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This Is Why The Week 11 Game Was So Close.....
1.Ben played too conservative
2.Penalties!!
He just came off of that game with the Colts where he threw 2 costly INT’s. Ben protected the ball too much in the Chargers game, which is fine but we had a lot of 3 and outs and we didn’t throw the long ball as much. The good thing about Bens play in that game was that we did control some clock. The bad thing was that the score was low and we didn’t take advantage of crucial posesions until the end. Ben looked scared about any INT’s.
The Penalties cost us big time, the Hines Ward TD got called back, I can’t count how many holding calls their were, and it seemed like everytime we got the big play, it was called back.
I think we have a great chance in this game, although our O-line isn’t that great, they are a lot more disciplined and more stable than week 11. I will give credit where its due, the Chargers D are a lot more “sound” and tougher than what they presented in Week 11. It all lies on Big Ben and his decision-making along with his comfort in and out of the pocket.
by SteelChad88 on Jan 7, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
3. Goal-Line O
We obviously had shots at the EZ, notably the couple 1 yard spots where we failed. We need to be able to power it in and tell everyone that we will not be denied.
If we leave TDs on the field we arent going to make it all the way. You cant go 99 yards and get 3 points
by Mechem on Jan 7, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jamal
I will say that is one area where I feel that our defense does well. Jamal Williams is a good run stuffer that gets great penetration. Also, our stupid DB’s can’t get burned deep at the goal line :)
"When Bellotti attempted to shake the hand of Oklahoma State quarterback Zac Robinson after the game, Robinson offered his left hand. His right was swollen and battered from the Ducks' defense."
by MarineCorpsDuck on Jan 7, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Front line
You guys have a really good front line whether people admit it or not.
You got an excellent NT or two, and solid ends.
The game is won at that line and its not a stretch to say your D-line will outplay our O-line. Time will tell I suppose
by Mechem on Jan 8, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know...
I have a strange feeling. Now, it is just speculation and maybe even hope, but I think we have to much talent on the offensive side of the ball. The O is due to get it together and play a big game. I think or maybe I should say hope, that they score 30+ on sunday. They are indeed capable of doing this and I think this is the game they do it.
by stillerfn86 on Jan 7, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Could happen
They torched the Cheaters to the tune of 33 and so I dont see why it cant happen again.
I think its just weird were on again off again. But hopefully we stay on for the next 3 games.
by Mechem on Jan 7, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we did also get 5 turnovers in that game
seems like even when our O has a pretty good day, it still comes back down to our D…
by acrollet on Jan 7, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We should stop saying stuff like this. We’ve been saying it all year and it hasn’t happened without turnovers or Ohio being involved. I’ll be thrilled if we put up 24, though.
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by BadMaafala on Jan 8, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Our offense isn’t a scoring machine and, quite frankly, isn’t that talented. Great QB, one great receiver. Good RBs, good TE. Santonio and Nate…who knows whicih one will show up. O line: you know the deal. We don’t really use a fullback. If your offensive line sucks that is almost half your offensive players.
I think we have seen this year that our offense is just not that “talented.” We have talent at the skill positions but this is not all there is to an offense.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 8, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear that dallas is the most talented team in the history of the universe.
by steelguy99 on Jan 8, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
Didn’t they send 18 people to the Pro Bowl over the last two seasons while we managed to send only 7? However, we have sent three or more players to the pro bowl for seven straight years now.
by Jonny B. on Jan 8, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that Pro Bowl selections are any indication of telent—just saying.
by Jonny B. on Jan 8, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s all jokes here, just like dallas.
by steelguy99 on Jan 8, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gates
He was on pti last night and is a level-headed and well spoken athlete. I’ve always liked him and thought he would have been a great fit on the steelers if they didn’t have Heath. He’s struggled with some injuries this year, so hasn’t posted his normally fantastic stats. Still, he is a major threat. And part of the success earlier in the season came from holding him to 2 catches for 10 yards.
by vherub on Jan 8, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gates is also form Kent State.
Like James Harrison and Kack Lambert, only he didn’t play any football. He was a basketball player there.
by Jonny B. on Jan 8, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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