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Some notes about the punting battle this weekend

I had some time to kill this afternoon and was near a bookstore, so I wandered in and started reading a fascinating article about place kicking in a 'Best Sports Articles' sort of book. I found the entire article here, and it's completely worth the 10 or 15 minutes it takes to read. Anyway, this is the paragraph that really got me thinking about our punting unit:

In an office at the Colts' training facility, Vinatieri explained what he actually does for a living. (It isn't tackling: "Ideally, at the end of the year I have zero tackles," he said.) He marked the spot on the carpet, one inch by one inch, then took two deliberate steps back, then two to the side. In a game, he never takes his eyes off that spot. He doesn't watch the center, he said; he watches Hunter Smith, his holder. "His finger is on the spot. When his hand comes up, it's the key to move." The skill of the holder and the long snapper is one reason he chose to come to Indianapolis — as opposed to, say, joining Bill Parcells in Dallas. Dallas was having trouble with its kickers — Vinatieri suspected that this indicated problems with the process. Indianapolis, on the other hand, was a field-goal-kicking machine. "Look, Mike was making 88 percent of his kicks," Vinatieri said, referring to Vanderjagt. "He's a very good kicker. But he's not doing that if they have a crappy holder and snapper."

Wow, I thought - maybe Tomlin wasn't just making excuses when he cited continuity in holding as his reason to bring back Ernster, and then Berger again after less than completely stellar performances. A lot of us (myself included) wondered why MT wasn't trying out random people off the street. (most notably members of the CMU women's soccer team) Reading that quote clarified things for me quite a bit.


Moving on to talking about punting itself, here are the stats from this year:

Player             Punts  Yds     Net Yds Lng  Avg   Net Avg  IN 20
Mike Scifres   51        2,332  2,086     67    45.7  40.9        19
Mitch Berger  66        2,728  2,405     61    41.3  36.4        19

(I wish SBN had a table editor)

To be honest, I expected a bigger statistical difference between the two players - Berger's numbers tend to put him in the middle of the pack, and he's far from the worst punter in the league. Our return teams also limit the damage by allowing very little return yardage. (That includes Mr. Berger himself, remember that tackle to save the touchdown in the Ravens game? In retrospect, that was probably a game-saving tackle, as Baltimore got a FG on the ensuing drive instead of a TD, and we won by 4...) I don't like giving up 5 yards (on average) when we trade punts with SD, but it's not the 20 yards we were making it sound like, and our D should make the difference.

Just to clarify for our welcome guests from SD - I'm not saying that I wouldn't take Scifres in this game if we had the chance!

At any rate, I hope we don't punt once and this post turns out to be completely pointless. I'm pumped, this is going to be a great game this weekend!

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Berger had some bad punts when his legs were messed up

Perhaps before he got injured his punts were significantly higher and the injuries brought his average down.

by houksyndrome on Jan 7, 2009 1:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not true.

In the game leading up to NYG after the bye against cincy he had an average of 40.8. This includes a 43 yard punt, a 51 yard punt, a 45 yard punt, and a 36 yard punt. It also includes a 28 yard punt, but the punt landed at the cincy 8 – it wasn’t ernstered.

The game he got injured against NYG he had an average of 44.3 – we all watched in amazement as Mitch played his heart out. Then he leaves for a few games and the worst punter ever plays a few game.

Mitch comes back and his last games have been 42, 44, 46. Berger is consistent and decent. I’m happy to have him because he plays like a steeler.

by steelguy99 on Jan 7, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cool quotes

It’s always interesting to hear players tell why they chose one team over another and reveal subtleties of what they do. I agree that holding is a big issue, and if Berger is healthy, I have no problem with him as a one year punter. On the other hand, why not have the backup QB making the holds? I haven’t seen Leftwich or Batch hold for FG’s. We’ve had 2 injuries at punter this year, but the backup QB has almost no chance of injury because he doesn’t do anything. Also, when Berger went down, why didn’t we have a bigger tryout, and why didn’t we stop using the punter as the holder?

charity standing orders

by BadMaafala on Jan 7, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I guess you can make the argument that Tomlin should have maybe tried having Batch hold once he knew he was having to do without Sepulveda. However, he had his shoulder broken 10 days after they found the problem with Sepulveda’s knee. Even if they had started to go with Batch, I’m sure they wanted Leftwich’s spare time to be spent learning the offense instead of practicing catching and holding for hours. (dunno if Lefty has held for kicks before)

Once Berger went down, the whole reason cited for bringing back Ernster and not holding wider tryouts was the holding. I guess either you agree with that or you don’t, I was just saying that this quote made that reason seem more valid and less like an excuse, in my opinion only :)

by acrollet on Jan 7, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lefty

I dont know how big a difference it would make but a left handed holder could pose a potential issue. Not sure if it matters though.

I think this post clarifies it more.

Its worth noting nothing is as easy as it looks. Just ask James Harrison

by Mechem on Jan 7, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing I did notice about the stats posted for Berger for the year is that they include the games Ernster was in.

Here’s the link: http://www.nfl.com/players/mitchberger/gamelogs?id=BER067954

Notice how he played every game in the log, but not in real life? If you take away Ernster’s fabulous string of 30’s punting, the average is actually even better than expected. We all know that Mitch doesn’t kick that far though. When he does boom it he usually doesn’t have the hang time for the gunner to get there in time, so I’d rather he stick to his “average” kick where the gunners cream the returner. He has been kicking noticeably further the last few games, and returns have gotten longer. Coincidence?

by steelguy99 on Jan 7, 2009 10:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone else notice this?

During the Colts/Chargers game, the announcers were talking about how great Vinatieri is, especially in the clutch. Then they showed that he makes about 85% of his playoff FGs. This is not great. Two memorable kicks have given this guy an undeserved reputation as a phenomenal kicker. I’ll take Skippy any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 7, 2009 10:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't know.

Mike Vanderjagt holds the NFL record for accuracy during the regular season at 86.47% (at least 100 attempts). I would venture to guess that 85% is probably a playoff record record or close to it.

by Jonny B. on Jan 7, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He holds almost every other playoff kicking record, btw,

by Jonny B. on Jan 7, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good, but I still take Reed

I don’t mean to tear down Vinatieri. But think of how many of Skippy’s playoff kicks happen at Heinz Field, a notoriously tough place to kick. Plus, since playoff stats are a smaller sample size, chances are the record for playoff accuracy would be higher than the regular season record because of the higher probability of outliers.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Jan 7, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

interesting

Berger DOES have the advantage that due to the fact he will likely kick it super short, it may hit a blocker on accident and give us the ball. This has happened before.

Also Mitch does have the knack for the short spots. We do pretty well at keeping them in the 20.

I do wish however we had like one BOOMER of a punter that we could use if needed. Like heck just a 2nd punter who has a rocket leg. Keep mitch as a designated holder.

by Mechem on Jan 7, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

it all depends

on how you want to use your limited roster spots, I guess. I got jealous of Baltimore’s kick-off specialist during the Miami game – seemed like it was nothing but touchbacks. Really though, with our kickoff coverage unit improving to tops(?) in the league, Reed’s somewhat weaker leg hasn’t been an issue at all.

by acrollet on Jan 7, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s not bad at inside the twenty, but I’d like it if they were often closer to the endzone. Sometimes he punts from the 50 and it ends up at the 15 – not bad, but the 5 sure would be a lot better.

by steelguy99 on Jan 7, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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