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The Pittsburgh Steelers Defeat The Detroit Lions: 28-20: Early Thoughts And Observations

* While this game wasn't the dominating performance that many wanted to see out of the 2009 Pittsburgh Steelers their were lots of positives to take from the game.  After starting out with a 1-2 record and the Ravens starting out 3-0, being tied with the Ravens at 3-2 is probably about as much as any Steeler fan could of hoped for.

* Rashard Mendenhall looked like a dominant NFL running back for the second straight week.  Until  further notice I don't see how anyone besides Rashard can be the go-to running back.  His stat line only read 15 carries for 77 yards and a touchdown but he easily could of broke the century mark with a few more touches.  Mendenhall had 65 yards in the first half on only nine attempts and it was a little frustrating that he wasn't used more in the second half to control the clock.

* Congratulations to Mike Wallace on his first NFL touchdown.  After pulling a Limas Sweed and letting a sure touchdown drop through his hands early on, he redeemed himself with a nice catch of an under thrown ball on his 47 yard touchdown.  It was good to see Wallace bounce back after having a costly drop.

* Speaking of mistakes, Ben Roethlisberger really only made one yesterday and boy was it costly.  Roethlisberger looked to Wallace on a short sideline pass and a mis-communication between the two resulted in a pick-six for the Detroit Lions.  Roethlisberger completed 23 of 30 passes for 277 yards, three touchdowns and a passer rating of 123.9.

* Stefan Logan looked mediocre for the most part yesterday, but he broke free for 47 yards on the ensuing kick-off after the Lions pick-six, and he put the Steelers in great field position for an eventual score.  The Lions have been pathetic this season on kick-off coverage so it was somewhat surprising that Logan was only able to make an impact on that one return.

* Steeler fans wanted to see turnovers and sacks and they got both against the Lions on Sunday.  The Steelers had seven sacks and Ryan Clark intercepted a Daunte Culpepper pass.  James Harrison had three of his own sacks and stripped Daunte Culpepper for his lead leaguing 4th forced fumble.

* While I think this team is still very much ready to contend for a championship this year their are still a lot of questions swirling around this team and surprisingly most of them center around the Defense.  I can't really put my finger on it but this defense is just not intimidating teams and so far this season they haven't been able to make big plays.  It was good to see the three straight sacks to close out the game, but this defense has to be more aggressive for the complete game, not just a final series.

* Did anyone, I mean anyone think our offensive line would look this good going into the season?  I sure didn't.

* That loss to the 4-1 AFC North division leading Bengals doesn't look quite as bad in my mind anymore.  Although it's interesting to remember how much better we looked against Cincinnati for just about the entire game before we let the Bengals put together a game-winning drive.  If you are still thinking the Bengals are a fraud remember the Cincinnati Bengals are actually one fluke Denver Bronco's touchdown in week one from being a prefect 5-0. 

* Speaking of the Denver Broncos; after the Jay Cutler/Josh McDaniels/Brandon Marshall debacle that went on in the offseason in Denver who would of thought before the season started that the week nine match-up in Denver would be so important?  Hopefully Troy Polamalu will be back to full strength at that point in the season or we could be without both of our starting safeties if Ryan Clark chooses not to play due to precautionary measures.  That's a big match-up in week nine.

* Just some thoughts to keep us talking this morning and later today we will have more coverage on the Week five victory against Detroit and we will start to look forward to the Week six match-up with the Browns.

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Lions fan here

Good game and congrats on the victory. Both teams left alot of plays and points on the field. Good luck the rest of the season!

by JazzyBBP on Oct 12, 2009 8:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Missed the game.

But based on what I’ve seen in prior weeks, it looks like the Lions are on the mend. They’ve played tough games. They’re not push-overs this year.

by Varmint on Oct 12, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some of my notes

If you are still thinking the Bengals are a fraud remember the Cincinnati Bengals are actually one fluke Denver Bronco’s touchdown in week one from being a prefect 5-0.

I had to address this first, because people keep saying this and it is really bugging me. The Bengals are also 3 plays away from being 1-4. They lost a “coin flip” in the game against the Broncos, but then won them against us, the browns, and the Ravens. They are a good team, but they are not some untouchable team.

I know saying this will probably bring a lot of flack, but i have to address it. James Farrior seemed to be out of position quite often yesterday, especially on several key 3rd down conversions for the Lions. Hopefully, it was just a bad game and he will return to form next week. We can’t have our captain missing big plays.

Special teams were pretty bad this week. Our coverage on every kick off was pretty lousy. It seemed we missed the first tackle on almost every kick off, giving them 10 more yards on the return than they should have had. I couldn’t find a website that had average starting field position, but I’d bet they won that one. Is their returner that bad, or was our coverage bad?

The O-Line seemed to get a bit shaky in the 4th after a great first 3 quarters. All 3 sacks on Ben came in the 4th and Mendenhall was hit in the backfield 3-4 times, a couple times just as he got the ball. Maybe our team, both offense and defense needs to work on improving their stamina.

Sorry for being so negative, but I am pleased with the win. The D did give up a fourth quarter drive, but settled in and sacked the QB 3 times in a row when we really needed it. Ben has been absolutely absurd this year. His QB rating is above 100 for the season, he is #1 in completion % and 2nd in yards. Further into this year the communication with the WRs will improve and he will stop throwing costly INTs.

Close games are better than blowouts IMO. Not because its more exciting, but because it keeps the thirst alive. They know there are things they need to improve and they don’t think they our flawless. Therefore, the players and coaches will take practice and prep for the next week much more serious. I only see us getting better from here.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 12, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

*Is their returner that bad good

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 12, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on Cincy

I will be shocked if they finish better than 9-7. There is NO WAY they make the playoffs.

No way.

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 12, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno about that

They have a huge upper hand in the division at 3-0 right now. They either win the division or take a wild card.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 12, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They’re also the only team that has played 3 division games.

I think they have a chance at being somewhat like the Tennessee Titans of last year (though nowhere near 13-3…just same kind of style). A team that is solid, gets some breaks, and has a good record in close games. But looking at their roster and how guys have performed, especially offensively, I wouldn’t say this team is a contender.

Despite making these last second drives, Palmer has not looked good at all this year. Ochocinco is alright but hasn’t had a special game yet. Can you ever really trust Ced Benson? That offense just doesn’t worry anyone anymore. The defense is solid and maybe the offense comes around…but I wouldn’t be surprised to see them fall off a cliff.

by HoustonPA on Oct 12, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3-0 means they have beaten all 3 teams in the division

So it doesn’t really matter that they are the only team that has played 3 divisional games. They are a good team whether you want to believe it or not. They were the first team in 39 games to rush for 100 yards against the Ravens. That is impressive. They held the ravens, who were averaging 33.5 points per game to just 14. And they held them under 300 yards (257), the first team to do that this year. That defense is good. The running game is good. And Palmer is a dangerous deep threat every time he drops back.

I do believe we are a better team than them, but I honestly do not see the Bengals missing the playoffs and going 9-7.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

they are a good team. But they did all that you mentioned and still had to win in the last 20 seconds. I like Palmer, but based on his being injured for the past 3 seasons and how he’s performed this year, I wouldn’t be too excited if I were a Bengals fan. I think its there, but there has to be some question whether/when he’ll get it back.

The Ravens only put up up 21 the week before…against the only other team they’ve played that was any good. So maybe their offensive numbers are somewhat inflated at this point.

And the Bengals are definitely in the driver’s seat. All they have to do is keep winning. I’d rather be 3-0 than 0-1, obviously. But in reality, it’s only 1 game in the loss column with another head to head looming. And I’m definitely not saying they are bad. I just don’t know that what I’ve seen would make me think they are going to win 11-12 games…considering how close all of their games have been. They’d have to beat some significant odds to get to that win total by pulling out games that way for the entire year.

And I would consider a team that is 9-7 good, whether or not they go to the playoffs. So sure, they are good, but not as threatening as their record may suggest.

by HoustonPA on Oct 12, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you on pretty much all you have said

If you go back a couple weeks you will see I was the one telling Malor to not get too high on his offense because it had faced a couple miserable teams, extremely miserable defenses. I agree, the Ravens are not the best team out there. But going into Baltimore and winning is impressive, for any team. And breaking a 39-game streak in the process turns my head. I just don’t think it’s a good idea to think “oh well its just the Bengals, they will screw it up” or “well they won close games”. Wins are wins, and the Bengals are racking them up.

I can see them going 10-6 looking at their remaining schedule with a loss to the Vikings, Jets, SD, Us, Baltimore. 10-6 might make the playoffs.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 12, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That said...

you are right…they have at least put themselves in a position where they have to be caught. For Bengals fans, that’s an unfamiliar role..and they should be happy about it. Lord knows they have nothing else to be happy about over the past quarter century.

by HoustonPA on Oct 12, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Bengals

For proving that the Ravens O aint all that and for bringing those insufferable Ravens fans back to Earth. And they did it IN BALTIMORE. Where the F is MaLor?

Glad to be at least tied back up with Baltimore as I believe that is what the race in the North will eventually come down to.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Oct 12, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed Chewie

the Ravens and Steelers will both make the playoffs and Cincy will be watching on TV….Johnny S said it best when he pointed out that they are a few plays from being 1-4….their luck runs out VERY soon, count on it….plus, Carson will be hurt soon anyway

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 12, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dont be so sure

You know what, the Ravens have the toughest schedule out of all of us in the division.

Bengals have a weaker one than we do.

Its not a stretch to see the Bengals beating the Ravens for a spot. Who have the ravens beaten? Barely San Diego, and the Browns and CHIEFS!!!

They haven’t won a game against a real opponent yet. They are, to me, an average team this year.

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

said this preseason that i didnt think the ravens were going to win as many games this year.

Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)

by Blitzburgh on Oct 12, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ehh..

But who have we beaten? Barely the Titans, barely SD, barely the Lions.

We haven’t won against a “real” opponent either. Baltimore is a good team, they still have nearly the same team as last year. The only downgrade IMO is their very short/weak secondary.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 12, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right about that

We need to beat the Vikings for a real test. Will test D on stopping the run, the pass, The Favre. Test O on Jared Allen (stud). We need that win bad.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, though I didnt say it

I felt like keeping the last poast short but I thought that too.

Still in my book:
Titans win at the start of the year > win against Cleveland
Lions win > Chiefs win
Our SD win > theirs

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And we have?

The combine record of the teams we have beaten is 3-11.

by mikemex on Oct 12, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Granted

Our offense and defense looked a lot better than theirs against Cinci. I still believe we beat ourselves in that game.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 12, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

But we where out played badly on the second half against the Lions, I haven’t seen the Ravens get dominated like that in any of their games.

My points are;
 
I don’t think Cinci is a very good team, they are 4 of 4 on fourth downs the last three games; if they fail any of those they lose a game. They are as close to 5-0 as they are to 1-4.

Ravens defense is not that good, and their offense is not there yet.

Sadly the Steelers are not that good, our defense is not in good shape, our offense is the best of the division but is too inconsistent right now.

This division is for graves, and will be taken by the team that can correct its problems before the others.

by mikemex on Oct 12, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point about 4th down

But then again the Titans are just 3 TDs a game from being 5-0…

The team that makes the plays deserves to be acknowledged for their labor. Lets not put the Bengals down too hard here, they also got a horrible break in week 1.

I think so far Cincy’s played better opponents and won better games, more on the road also. That takes work every week.

So yeah right now our target is the striped guys.

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We were not out played the entire second half, just the fourth quarter, again. But we are missing our best defensive player, so don’t worry. Keep in mind our D is currently ranked 5th without Troy. Once they get him back, we should start seeing 4 quarter D again.

If you really think the Steelers are not that good, I think you are delusional. Our offense is much better this year than last year, and our D is still top 5 without Troy. The cards will eventually fall our way.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 12, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stats for the second half

Total yards: 172 yards Lions, 72 Steelers (49 in one play) and after Wallace TD (at the middle of the third quarter) the Steelers manage 12 yards for the rest of the game of total offense.

TP: Lions 20 Steelers 10

First Downs: Lions 18 Steelers 2

Third Down: Lions 8/11 Steelers 1/5

Running plays by the Steelers 5 (3 for a loss) total yards 12.

We where totally dominated on both sides of the ball this half by the Lions without CJ.

The reason the Steelers won:

Steelers where 3 times in Lions territory 3 TD, 21 points (all in first half, the Steelers where never inside the forty yard line of the Lions on the second half)

The Lions had 6 times the ball on Steelers territory, resulted in 2 field goals, one TD, one missed field goal, a stupid Int, and the three sacks to end the game. 13 points.

Both teams had a big play; Wallace TD, and the pick six.

I agree with you that our offense is much better this year than last year, but is inconsistent and because of the way they play they are subject to make more mistakes (two pick six so far), and is hot or cold. (Except for the SD game in the other four there have been times they completely disappeared. (First quarter Titans, second quarter Bears, fourth quarter Cinci and Lions)

And although our defense is not bad (rank 5 as you said) is a big drop from last year defense.

So the question is; does the upgrade of our offense compensate the drop of our defense (again compare to last year)? The answer after five games is no, this team is not better than last year team.

Sure our defense can step up with Troy and our offense can become more consistent and limit their mistakes, hence becoming a better team than last year. But as of today (which means nothing in January) this team is not that good, obviously is not that bad.

by mikemex on Oct 13, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Where the F is MaLor?"

I read on beatdown that he is taking the week off. I don’t want to take any credit, but I told him I would get on him when the ravens lost their lead to the Steelers. It happened quicker than I thought!

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 12, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ravens and Bengals

It’s nice to see three strong teams in the afc norde.

I think the Bengals will continue to impress but only to a point. They deserve credit for beating pittsburgh and Baltimore (on the road no less). But I have a hard time seeing them do it again. not enough d to go the distanceif you ask me.

Ravens on the other hand still impress me despite dropping two in a row.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 12, 2009 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

How?

Ravens drop two in a row and as I mentioned, barely beat SD and have two wins against powerhouses CLEVELAND and KC!

To me they haven’t impressed at all and that defense allowed a lot of points to the Pats and Chargers.

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are fair points

But I think you also have to look at other factors. Ravens probably should have won both tough games. Would love to see their yards per play differiential as well. My guess is that it’s better than the bengals

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 12, 2009 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I just right now am holding ourselves, and the ravens, against current leader Bengals.

And Bengals have wins against teams with wins, as well as on the road.

Our wins have been more convincing than Baltimores IMO

So right now, If you asked me to rank AFC North, It goes Bengals Steelers Ravens, which is exactly what it is.

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree on Farrior

The defense has been far more effective when he’s blitzing instead of covering. For as much as a lot of people wanted Keyaron Fox on the field more in place of Timmons, it looks like Farrior could need to be subbed for as well.

by pghnorthside on Oct 12, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Starting to look like

we should’ve kept Larry and let Potsie go.

 I hope that changes,m and i think it will. Farrior is steady, not explosive. His play will continue to be reliable as other guys start to hit late-season walls.

 I’m still questioning the wisdom in letting Foote go, though. Overall, i felt like he never really got the press or credit he earned on the field. He is a smart, quick, tough player who was overshadowed by more-glamorous sacksters and DBs etc. His leaving the team was a worry to me from the get-go, and i’m still not secure about how Timmons is replacing him.

 Even though our defense only lost two guys, Larry was a consistent contributor who is obviously causing other guys to realize how much he contributed now that he’s gone. I think our DB depth is hurting, too, because of McFadden’s departure, but that will improve as the young guys get more reps. ILB in our 3-4 is tougher to master than the DBs assignments though, i think.

by tobiathan on Oct 12, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wise/controversial thoughts

It will be interesting to look back at the end of the year and see which one had a better year. Maybe Farrior being captain and his service for the team played into him getting the spot over Foote.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 12, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posted this in my Liabilities on D

I was basically called an idiot… It amazes me that so many Stiller fans (been one since 1971), can’t see that Potsie looks like Foote on 3rd down plays. Looks tired and slow… No way last year does a Brian Leonard catch a flat pass and gets a 1st down on 4th down and ten!!! R u kidding me.

Kevin Smith of the lions who is slow as US mail, left him in the dust. James almost tripped over himself trying to catch him.

Aaron Smith didn’t show up yesterday either. getting blown off the line and no where near the QB on rush situations.

by 72Steeler on Oct 13, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Farrior and Aaron Smith have looked a step slow this year. They are still solid players but just don’t look to be in their prime anymore. Long way to go and I hope 91 is ok. Someone on BTSC said he got hurt yesterday?

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 12, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently he did not play the 2nd half

I did not see the injury and did not hear anything about it today.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 12, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

torn rotator cuff

could be out 3 months. ouch. hope Ziggy Stardust (anyone? i guess i just really dated myself lol) can step into the rotation.

by 1STstate bucco on Oct 13, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just want to add

The almost TD to Wallace early was a little bit over thrown IMO. I read some stuff from Ben saying how he has to get the ball out early on the deep stuff to Wallace because he is so fast. I think he tried to adjust the second deep ball to fast Mike and under threw it a bit. The INT 6 was a communication issue between Mike and Ben. It sure looked like Ben thought Wallace was running a curl to the inside there instead of the out. Like you said, I figure that all this stuff will get better as the year goes on and Mike improves and Ben has a better rapport with him. He has turned into a great pick already (Wallace). Mendy looked tough again. I am really starting to like him. He is still only 22. He will only improve with more touches. I think he will keep Colberts perfect record on 1st rounders intact.

Erik

by ekl on Oct 12, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Medenhall

I love him when he lowers his head instead of that spin move and gives his back to the defender. When he leans forward and “runs behind his pads” he gains and extra yard or 2. Run them over Rashard leave the dance moves for the 4th Qtr.

by 72Steeler on Oct 13, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Pattern

Is it just me, or are we seeing a pattern this year.
1) Bruce Arians w/ questionable play calling again this week. Last week was great, but in most of the games this year, it’s not been great. Why not force feed Rocket Rashard more in the 2nd half.
2) WR’s droppin’ TD’s. How many times is this gonna happen?
3) Secondary players outta position. It’ll be good to have Troy back.

by TheCornDog on Oct 12, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

1) With a 15 point lead, 10 minutes to go and the ball at midfield BA calls 3 straight passes and the Steelers punt with 9 minutes on the clock. Not effective clock management by the OC. When you run the ball, good things happen. Especially when the “Rocket” was firing on all cylinders.

2) Dropped TDs, fumbled punt returns, muffed onside kicks and giving your opponent 8/11 on 3rd down is why teams lose games in January.

3) Return of 43 will make this defense better. An announcer had said “just send the tape of the first quarter of the Titan game straight to the Hall Of Fame for Troy’s nomination.”

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 12, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With regard to the play calling

I think they got up there and the box was stacked on 1st down so they tried to throw, after the sack they needed so much yardage for a 1st that running would have essentially been giving up on putting together a drive. The protection broke down and Ben couldn’t find an open man before he went down. We all saw what happened and obviously that possesion didn’t help us win, but I don’t think the playcalling was necessarily that bad. At least we tried something other than run into an 8 man front for 1 yard, then do it again, then try to convert 3rd and long then punt a minute later.

by SteelerFan Ben on Oct 12, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreee Totally

The Lions were ready to tap out with a field goal or TD… It’s absurd that our OC actually said " I got greedy"…. What does I have to do with Team. Your running back is averaging 5.1 a crack and Detroit’s D is tired in the 4th Qtr. This wasn’t the Ravens…

No wonder anyone isn’t looking at BA for any headcoaching jobs (college or pros), they are wondering why MT still supports this dude. Run the rock and save the greedy for someone else.

by 72Steeler on Oct 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even w/Troy back

those DBs need to learn their jobs

by tobiathan on Oct 12, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta ask

Did Arians run Hypocycloid?

Based on what I’ve read, Lebeau called corner-fire plays for both Taylor and Gay. If nothing else, that suggests he is more comfortable dialing up the pressure than he was earlier this season.

by Varmint on Oct 12, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t see the Hypocyloid this week, but I could be mistaken.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Oct 12, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also did not see it

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY on LeBeau

LeBeau has hardly sent the corners all year. That saved our bacon. This team is incapable of getting pressure with sending 4. Can’t do it outside of Harrison and he gets doubled when we send only 4. I for one am glad that LeBeau awoke from his slumber. No pressure, we lose, simple as that.

Arians and Lebeau have been inconsistent at best this year.

by steeelfann on Oct 12, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah LeBeau got better. He actually attacked at the end instead of dropping 8-9 back.

Arians kills me… No Heath miller in the 2nd half, and no mendenhall either. Just dont use the two most powerful guys on your squad.

And the 5 passes to start the game was fuggin retarded.

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last week

We started with three passes and it worked, this week we when three and out, but then score on the second drive.

On the second half every series but one (the one you are complaining about) started with a run, but all runs except for two where for a loss, that combine with penalties forced us to pass.

Not using Heath or Mendy more had to do with TP, our offense only had one first down after the Wallace TD, and our defense just couldn’t stop the Lions offense, they gave an incredible 80% third down conversion rate for third downs and 15 yards or less.

We sadly where out played on both sides of the ball by the Lions on the second half.

by mikemex on Oct 12, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah thanks..

I appreciate the point about the 3 passes to start. But I think it carries a different weight this week.

Last week, our Run game status was a big fat ?

This week it was defined. We knew what we had. And we knew we were facing a garbage D, yet we say pass pass pass, no me gusta…

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ike hesistates on Corner Blitz

Ike for all of his bravado never gets a sack on the cornder blitz. He hesistates on the play allowing the QB to get the ball off. If he doesn’t want to hit him, at least go for his arm. He’s wide open on the play and Gay is definitely better at it.

by 72Steeler on Oct 13, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Culpepper

I remember before the season hearing that Culpepper had re-dedicated himself to the game and really got in shap this offseason. After hearing that, I thought the Lions could be a decent team if they started him instead of Stafford. At least close to average.

I didn’t see the game live yesterday, but his stats looked pretty good. Anyone have any thoughts on his performance?

by HoustonPA on Oct 12, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DC looked real good. Had a 32 yard scramble (could have went for more but he slid) on 3rd and long setting up the Lions first points. He was 8/11 on 3rd down. Many 3rd and long.
He did have a horrendous pick in FG range where instead of getting sacked he launched a duck that 25 INT. Also was sloppy with ball as he put it on the turf 3 times in the first quarter but it bounced right to him each time. He may have fumbled again later but recovered. Lions didn’t lose because of DC, they lost because of Big Ben.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 12, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did well but didn't reach

Not so many throws down the field etc. A lot of throws were just to move the chains or dumping off to the backs.

by Steely McSmash on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mendenhall

Maybe the thinking was that he had the most carries in his career last week, and if they didn’t have to lean on him too heavily this week they wouldn’t.

Not sure, but that’s just a thought.

by HoustonPA on Oct 12, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mendy

Hard to see why they are even considering who to start between Rashard and FWP. Parkers a good athlete but trips over hard air molocules, while Mendy breaks tackles and has the tools we Steeler fans love. Give the rock to Rashard. My first post, I love this web site.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mike Kurtz at Football Outsiders...

…made the following comment after watching the Steelers play the Lions:

“I think we can just go ahead and say that the Steelers aren’t very good this year. The offense is somewhat explosive, but the defense is pretty hapless.”

While that may be a little harsh, it is tough to argue that the team looks like its taken a step back.

Hopefully, this gets fixed by December. The Bengals and Ravens won’t be slouches down the stretch this year.

by ec on Oct 12, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But would you be totally confident if you were the Bengals, and had just won three games by the skin of your teeth. I’d have to say I’d still be somewhat concerned about my team.

Same thing with the Ravens. They demolished a bunch of crappy teams, but then lost to the only two formidable ones they’ve played.

I think you’re only feeling good about your long term chances at the superbowl if you root for the Saints, Giants, Vikings, or Colts. That’s taking into account your personnel (past and current performance) and your experience. But being in that position isn’t necessarily that good…the Giants were dominant early last year, then didn’t get it done. I don’t think anyone really thought the Steelers were for real until later in the season last year…at least not on offense.

I would say that the team has looked dominant close to 75% of the time…with the 25% being a total reversal. I’d rather be in a position where I have to fix an inexplicable 25% than have a team that has not been dominant at any time but has managed to squeak out wins (i.e., Bengals, Broncos).

by HoustonPA on Oct 12, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The D is still a top 10 D

I don’t agree at all. They have faced some good QB’s this year already. Culpepper is no joke either. He looks fully healed from his knee injury – finally. The Lions are not hapless on offense either. They have good young talent at every position on O and a good line. Is that guy Peter King’s brother or what?

Erik

by ekl on Oct 12, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could not disagree more

The offense is really good. Don’t we have a stretch of 7 or 8 visits to the red zone with 7 or 8 straight TDs? Ben has been lights out with great depth at WR. Now we are finally figuring out how to run the ball…this could be one of the best Steeler offenses we’ve ever seen.

The defense is still good, even without His Hairness. They are ranked 5th overall right now, giving up a bit too much in the air. That is bound to improve when He returns.

I think we can go ahead and say Mike Kurtz does not know what he is talking about this year. His grammar is good, but his viewpoints are hapless.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 12, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The biggest problem the Steelers have right now

Is not getting off the field on third downs. And it’s not been third and short. It doesn’t matter how long the first down is, opponents seem to pick up way too many. When they do stop, fourth down is a killer, e.g. Cincy Detroit converted 11 yesterday. That’s unacceptable. That combined with a very poor defensive stamina in the fourth quarter is the team’m biggest problem. Typlical NFL, coming into the season we never thought we’d be talking about this.

I was thrilled with the overall victory. It seems a smattering of Steeler Nation expected us to motor into Detroit and drive away with a 44-0 win. Admittedly, part of me thought and hoped for that too, but I keep reminding myself that in the NFL, the others guys get paid alot too.

I thought Arians/Roethlisberger did a really nice job again yesterday. I thought the Lions adjusted at half by stacking the box against the run, and Pittsburgh took what the defense gave.

Polamalu’s loss is both comforting and concerning to me. On one hand, I believe the team is undefeated and appearing much better if he never got hurt. On the other hand, we should never be so vulnerable to be night and day with the loss of one player. We need to be better than that.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Oct 12, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

8/11 is unacceptable. They haven’t gotten off the field on 3rd down all year. That’s why teams are coming back…

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 12, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are passive on 3rd Downs

Whatever happen to blitzburgh and forcing the QB to throw early and we play coverage and tackle him after he get’s a couple of yards. We cannot sit back in coverage and rush 3 or 4. Where is LaMar, writing articles or in pass coverage. We should always send 5 including Farrior because he’s a liability in pass coverage lately.

by 72Steeler on Oct 13, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Future...

We either need to clone Troy or figure a way to get better pass coverage. When we have Troy we have way better coverage and can use a world of better blitz packages. Without him we have large holes in the secondary, and as much as I hate to say this we won’t have Troy forever. Sux like that.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hope Polamalu’s back in good health for the Vikings game because without him Favre will pick us apart.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am still concerned about this team, mostly the defense. This is the sixth game in a row where I have seen the defensive meltdown in the fourth quarter, the first one being SB 43. During the AFCCG against the Broncos few years back there was a moment in the game when Sir Lebeau was yelling at his D, “Finish it. Finish it NOW”. They did that time. Definitely lacking this year.

Secondary will definitely get better once we have #43 back and I am not complaining about the 3-2 record.

by Han on Oct 12, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

50 Sense

Let’s start with the defense which has been underperforming in the 4th quarter. It continued yesterday as the Steelers let the Lions back into a 28-13 game by allowing a long TD drive to the Lions in quarter 4. With the game in jeopardy and the Lions driving for the tying score inside two minutes, Blitzburgh stepped up with 4 sacks on the Lions final drive and 3 consecutive sacks from the Steelers 21 to force the Lions back to mid field and leave them with a 4th down desperation hail mary that fell short. The defense HAS to get off the field on 3rd down or they will lose more heartbreaking games in the 4th quarter this year. 11/18 is unacceptable.

Bruce Arians who was dubbed genius for his game plan last week against SD had another good one for the first half when the Steelers surged into the lead. But Arians inexplicably lost his way in half 2 abandoning the run and giving the Lions dominant time of possession, especially in the 3rd quarter where the Steelers ran only 5 plays. By calling pass plays on first down from mid field (Ben sacked for 8 yard loss setting up 2nd and 18) and regularly after that the Steelers failed to build momentum and milk the clock. With a 15 point lead and the ball at midfield with 10 minutes to play there is no excuse for calling 3 straight pass plays. This allowed the Lions to come roaring back. Arians really needs to step it up and be consistent from half 1 to half 2.

Mike Wallace had a long TD catch and dropped another. He looks like a real catch in the 3rd round. Ben’s favorite “sizzling trio” of Ward, Holmes and Miller had 16 catches between them. Holmes showed some great down field blocking on a big 27 yard run by the Rocket. Limas Sweed also was his consistent self dropping what would have been a first down from Big Ben on the first series. It would have been a good catch had he made it and he thankfully didn’t see another pass his way the rest of the way.

Looking forward to scoring a ticket or two and making my way from Cali to Mecca next weekend for the game against the Browns. Figuring on another root canal without Novocain. Steelers 3 Browns 2. Here We Go!!
 

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 12, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That pass

was defended, not dropped. Watch it again. Mark my words, that kid is gonna put it together and there’s plenty of you out there that will be eating crow.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Oct 12, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope so Chewie….but every week that goes by I feel less and less confident that Limas will ever be able to make it.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Oct 12, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understandably so DYM

But I gotta feeling!! Maybe its just the thought of not having to lose a ton of depth at WR after what I feel is the inevitable departure of Tone and retirement of Ward. Imagine Sweed plays to his potential and Wallace is the real deal. Pretty decent 1 and 2 right there.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope your right about Sweed Chewie, and I do want him to shine, was just expressing my concern that he not making anything happen. I will be patient as can be and wait for him to come around.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am starting to think that Mike Wallace is making Santonio expendable….if Limas can step up I don’t know if Pittsburgh offers Ton another contract.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Oct 12, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might be...

jumping the gun a little bit on that one, Holmes has the ability to block well, catch great and out run defences. Plus he’s shown he’s not afraid to go over the middle, a spot reserved for Psycho Ward.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Tone is commanding the doubles that are allowing Wallace to run free. See games 1 and 2. The only way Tone is e pendable if Sweed starts looking like the first rounder he was supposed to be. Remember Ward may not be able to play till he’s 40. But never say never.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 12, 2009 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Remember Ward may not be able to play till he’s 40. But never say never.

Sure he will…they’ll just move him to fullback.

breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Oct 12, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace - Tone

So, you would think Holmes is expendable. The one who basically carried us through the entire playoffs? For Wallace? Is the plan then to watch Hines Ward turn 34, and put faith in Limas Sweed? Uhhh, that is swiss cheese, i.e., holes in that plan.

Hines is going to hit the wall soon, just as Farrior is, as Aaron Smith is, as well as as WIllie Parker. I agree with Wallace and his potential, but I would be uneasy with out Santonio out there. He is a playmaker.

Sweed is weak-minded, HInes is no spring chicken and that is about it on the roster other than Wallace.

by steeelfann on Oct 12, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace - Tone

Have to have Holmes out there, watch as he gets ready for another big year. Also he is really developing good blocking and takes the focus off Wallace.
  P.S. I don’t want Ward to get old and go away.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying that just because Mike Wallace scored a touchdown that Santonio will be shown the boot. But I am saying that Pittsburgh is going to have a hard time signing all the players that will be up for contract extension in the next few seasons. Santonio is a super bowl MVP that is going to be looking to hit the jackpot regardless if he is saying all the right things in the media about wanting to stay in Pittsburgh.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Oct 12, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

High On 10

I agree DYMS. Tone is definitely the best all around WR currently on the roster and a clutch game breaker. He will command top $$$.
I hope he is one of the guys that they are able to sign. At that point guys like 91, 51, 39, 98 and some other high paid talent might not be on the payroll.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 12, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWP

is expendable…that’s the one…he’s not gonna get a contract in my opinion.
And rightly so…Rashard finally stepped up and he’s the kind of back we need anyway.
They have tried to force FWP into Jerome’s role and that’s not the kind of back he is…and he doesn’t even have the size for that.

Steelergurl

by Steelergurl on Oct 12, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We Agree On FWP

That said, I will always hold FWP in high esteem as a HUGE reason we have 2 more Lombardi’s. The 75 yard run in XL and the 145 he laid on the Chargers in last years playoff are 2 examples of the guys contribution in the big game.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 12, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Saw "That Pass"

The defender did play good defense. It wasn’t a gimme. I said in my post “it would have been a good catch.” And I have always said I see 14s potential and don’t believe in cutting him so I don’t know what crow I would have to eat. If she’s hot I won’t have an issue though. Sweed has been consistent in his inconsistency.
That said, I have a keen eye for the game chewie. Sweed is an impressive athlete with loads of potential. But I evaluate talent on what you put on the tape…especially in the big playoff game. The Sweed lovers all talk about how he may drop the easy game clinching TD passes from 50 yards out but he makes the tough catches in traffic. That catch yesterday would have been a tough catch in traffic correct? He didn’t come up with it.

A joke for you chewie to make you smile…The Penguins announced that they will honor the Steelers before their next home game. They have asked Limas Sweed to drop the first puck…

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 12, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The crow

will be smokin’ hot!

Pardon the harshness of my comment. That Cleveland a-hole from another post had me a bit fired up earlier.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Oct 12, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doubt It

Either you have or you don’t… This kid is deer in the headlights all day. Reminds me of Vince Young right now… oops another TX product. He runs slow off the line and looks like he’s praying that the ball doesn’t come his way.

As the players would say he has ZERO SWAGGER in his game. Confidence is killer in any sport. Right now he has zero and doesn’t look to be getting any better. Shaun McDonald is a better wide out at this point.

by 72Steeler on Oct 13, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to see...

After about four and a half games worth of football to see an interception. Really, although the fourth quarter collapses, the disappearance of Lamar Woodley, the dropped TD’s, the questions surrounding the offensive line, Reed’s missed field goals and (shockingly!) Bruce Arians’ mental lapses have gotten the brunt of the blame for a less-than-inspiring stretch of football to begin the 2009 season, the bewildering lack of turnovers created by the defense has been relatively ignored. As productive as the offense has been at generating yards, if it had a short field once in a while, it could be devastating.

Oh, and I’m not on board yet, but I’m preparing to have my ticket to the Official Mendenhall Bandwagon punched. Bigger than FWP? Check. Better vision than FWP? Check. Better receiver than FWP? Check. Tougher to tackle than FWP? Check.

Oh, and I figure Limas Sweed has all of this week to make a play before spending the rest of the season as this year’s Notable Offensive Player on the Sidelines in a Hoodie Duce Staley Award Winner.

by pghnorthside on Oct 12, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Limas who?

I totally agree with 5020 on the Sweed topic. This guy has shown inability to catch catchable balls, looks like he’s afraid to get hit and is already in the shadow of Wallace. Also, we need to run the clock down with Rashard who in my opinion is money in the bank thus far. 20 carries a game Arains is what we should give Mendy to force feed a powerful and possibly dangerous running game down the toughest of opponents guts.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PITTSburg is in THIRD PLACE!!!!

In the AFC North, not the NFL.

And behind Cincy!!!!

Boy, does PITTSburg su**!!!!!!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's October

lets worry about where we are in the Division in December.

by Steel in FL on Oct 12, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By December

PITTSburg will be in last!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is the room spinning?

I can’t think of any other reason for us to need dramaqueen.

by Varmint on Oct 12, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mediocre

We are a step up from .500 that’s average.
4th qtr meltdowns (Harrison’s sack attack aside), bad play calling on offense, and a half-assed attempt.
What I see missing is passion.
The “functions” are all there…mostly. Sometimes a mental error happens, but it shouldn’t kill us. The problem is that last year, they played every single second like it was the last…this year…they mess around and all the sudden have to make big things happen to secure the win (or often can’t and we lose).
It’s week 5. Weeks 1,2, and 3 I felt like I could give them a break…but it’s week 5. There are big teams coming up….and none will be easy.
Gotta get some passion in this game…foreal foreal.

Steelergurl

by Steelergurl on Oct 12, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mediocre

No, you guys don’t get it….

PITTSburg su**s!!!!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey crackhead

what is your objective here?

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we know this troll

is a Browns fan? Not sure I saw anywhere that he has had the balls to say what team he backs. HEY DIPSHIT!! TIME TO NUT UP OR SHUT UP!!

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was deductive reasoning

He didn’t say he was a Browns fan. But the desparate rabid and incoherent frothing with no clear objective is often a symptom of being a fustrated and desparate fan. Either that or he was Al Davis.

Actually feel bad for tagging on Browns fans. They are long suffering and deserve better. Sort of like pirate fans.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

"Actually feel bad for tagging on Browns fans"

I don’t. I hate them.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 12, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And they Stank

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice I was waiting for that

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 12, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey PITTSburg,

Please stop trolling around making rude comments after every contribution. This is your warning and if you don’t want to contribute you will be banned.

Thanks

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Banned

Yep, you guys come to our stadium and make rude comments and think you own the place. Then, when a BROWNS fan gives you a hard time (at the stadium), you freak out and think we are RUDE!

Now, on a public web site, a Browns fan is having a little fun, because you guys are in THIRD place, and you immediately want them banned.

Funny, when the shoe is on the other foot, you guys immediately want to BAN someone!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh we'll catch up with you

next week crackhead.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PITTSburg,

I’m sorry that Steeler fans tormented you at your stadium. This is a website that you signed up to have an account and have agreed to act occording to our very simple rules and guidelines. Please be civil, contribute something other than snide comments intended to instigate and aggravate and we will have no problems. We have plenty of other fans that stop by the site and we are more than gracious to them. It’s not too much to ask for.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Oct 12, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

I will be quiet….

It was fun while it lasted….

But, you are still in THIRD place & Cincy BEAT you guys!!!!!

PITTSburg s***!!!!!!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really???

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction: TIED for SECOND and NOT In THIRD Place!

PITTSburgh, I’d rather have my Steelers be TIED for SECOND (NOT in THIRD place as you said) with the Ravens than at the bottom like your pathetic Browns are for yet ANOTHER season!

Why don’t you tell Mangidiot to STOP playing mind games with his QB’s and to stop enforcing petty fines on his players! Maybe if he stopped trying to be like Bilichick (as much as I hate that coach), he’d actually have command of his locker room!

by ECummins on Oct 12, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or maybe just stop being worthless suckbags

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 12, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Browns

Derek Anderson completed 2 of 17 passes yesturday for a stunning 23 yards. I think its safe to say we got this one, and Polu will be back and things should start to gel for the D. Get off the field on 3rd downs, run the ball consistently and we’ll be fine this year. Until we see Indy in post season I won’t worry, much.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Browns

Post season?????

No way PITTSburg is going to the playoffs!!!!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Browns

You’re going to be upset again this year aren’t you?

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Upset

Yep, PITTSburg is gonna lose!!!!!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why don't you just admit that you're jealous

Steelers have 6 more Superbowl titles than the clowns have. The Steelers have beaten the browns what like 14 times in a row?

You’re making yourself and your fanbase look pathetic with this jealous whining. You deserve your place at the bottom of the division and the league.

Got anything funny to say about that troll?

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 12, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its all about PITTSburg

Just focus on your THIRD place team!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loving your lack of spelling ability also. Missing a letter there. Vanna, could you tell him what it is?

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there an H?

I much rather spell it PITTSpuke….

but, I am OK with PITTSburg…

but not OK with Pittsburgh…

Go BROWNS!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jealousy

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 12, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, go Browns!!

let’s try to win 3 games this year!!!

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 12, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I gottta go

this has been fun…

BTW: I am not all bad… I would like to thank Art Rooney for supporting Cleveland when Model (as in, "I gotta go take a Model") moved a bunch of players to Baltimore. Those 3 years without a team was tough.

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more point

Why did you guys ever fire Bill Cowher?

I always had a lot of respect for Cowher and thought he was a great coach.

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, what ever...

Did you welcome him leaving??

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No we didn’t, but admit this: he didn’t win the Super Bowl in his 2nd year as a coach.

by Tizoc on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No but.....

I have warmed up to Tomlin and his coaching style, but I miss the angry, spitting, and genious of Cowher. Also miss the gimmik plays.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I’ll admit it did take a little longer for Cohwer to get his first Super Bowl. Not that it takes away from his accomplishments, but getting a Super Bowl in your 2nd year is fairly remarkable.

by Tizoc on Oct 12, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree..

I like an angry, spitting, and knowledgeable Head Coach.

Also, his gimmick plays were a killer (for us).

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And...

I am still hoping Cowher wil someday coach (or GM) for us.

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possible

and he’s hinted as much. He could do a lot with your team, a lot.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cowher

He has also talked about coaching collage ball to though. I would like to see Cowher coaching in Cleve so this division would be more competitive.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time will tell, but I think not.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Detroit Observations

Yesterday’s game was WAY closer than it should have been and WAY closer than I would have liked. I guess a win is a win but. . .Some observations: Defense first. . .

1. There is no way Detroit should pile up more yards than the Steelers offense does. But, it did. I think Dick LeBeau and company are taking the “bend but don’t break” idea a little too far. Maybe they should change their ideology to “Stop the other team at any cost”. A bend but don’t break attitude is a non-winning attitude. I realize they do not want to give up the big play. But, if it is one big play that gets a td or 10 small plays, I don’t think there is a difference, is there? It’s still 7 points. Take some risks for a change.

2. Without a pass rush of at least six players, the Steelers do not get consistent pressure on the qb. Why that is. . .age, complacency, scheme, etc. . .I am not sure. With just a rush of 4 or 5, it takes a breakdown by their blockers for us to get to the qb. And that is not a reliable plan for success.

3. And to add to #2, our secondary is not good enough right now. . .maybe it will be with Troy back. . .to get “coverage” sacks. Proof of that is how many third down conversions the Lions got. We have 7 guys back in coverage and still receivers get open. But when we rush six, good things happen for us.

4. Lions beat us on time of possession. This goes along with point #1. Unacceptable.

5. Two interceptions in five games. How is that possible?

6. If I had to add up these 5 points together, I would say that the overriding theme is that the defense is playing too timid and too safe. That is on LeBeau’s shoulders. Two ints, no big defensive plays in the 4th quarter, long third down conversions, few fumble recoveries, etc. all tell me the defense is playing in “re-active” mode and not “active” mode. In other words, making sure nothing bad happens instead of making good things happen.

Offense:

1. Ben would have been about 27 for 30 if some of those passes don’t go dropped. Spectacular play on his part. Even on the interception, I don’t give him all the blame as Wallace ran the route a little deep and too quick.

2. Mendenhall. . .Who knew? That’s about all I can say.

3. Arians. . .and he admitted this after. . .said he got greedy on the play calling. I agree but how does that happen. The recipe is there. . .get a lead, run the ball. . .just cook the darn thing all ready. It’s like 2003 all over again. They get so good at passing the ball they want to do it every play. You are averaging 5 yards/carry. . .run the ball with a fifteen point lead.

4. From top to bottom we have the best receivers in the league. . .Ward, Holmes, Miller, Wallace, Moore, Mendenhall. . .how can you go wrong? But, they need to drop less passes. Throw it to them but don’t over do it.

5. The Line. . .Ben had time most of the time. I can live with 3 sacks. But it was the Lions. The line won’t get tested again until the Vikings. THEN, we’ll see if they are even close to being “for real”.

6. Sweed. . .Pass was low. Ball got hit. I’ll give him a break on that one. But obviously, the coaches didn’t. I don’t think he played on offense again.

7. Logan. . .I am a little confused about all of the sudden criticism of him. He is light years ahead of anybody we had on kick returns last year. And on punt returns, I know how some people want Holmes back there again. But remember, Holmes didn’t do anything on punt returns last year until the playoffs. Burnett fumbled during the pre-season. I suppose you could put Wallace back there but do we really want him getting hurt on a punt return and have to put up with Sweed at wide receiver. Give Logan a break. At the end of the season, if we can look back and say he had too many fumbles, he got tackled too easily, he didn’t break any for big gains, etc. then we can look for someone else. But, I say keep him back there. I think he will break at least one return for a td before the end of the season.

Thanks

by EdinVegas on Oct 12, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tone

Holmes is a pretty damn goog kick and punt returner.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry “good”

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Santonio as a returner

I think Holmes is a spectacular athlete. He is a gamer. He shows up in the big games, as was evidenced by his playoff performances last year. But to my knowledge, he did not return one kickoff last year. Carey Davis, Davenport, etc. did that. As for punts, Holmes was not even in the top half average of punt returners last year. Once again, to my knowledge. The only reason we all remember him as a punt returner is due to one return against San Diego. But let’s just say, we put him back there for punts and only use Logan on kickoffs. Holmes gets hurt on a meaningless four yard punt return. Then, you have Sweed coming in as a reciever. Or you have Logan coming in at receiver. I’ll take Logan at kick and punt returner with Holmes at his best position over Holmes out with an injury incurred at a secondary position for him with Sweed and Logan at the receiver position.

by EdinVegas on Oct 12, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

Re 2 On offense, I believe the correct answer is our head of football operations.

Which is why I am not yet giving up on Sweed. Every one of our receivers this year has dropped a sure TD. The guy will play in this league and he will do it well.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 12, 2009 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Banned

Yep, as soon as you guys think its OK to BAN all PITTSburg fans from going to CLEVELAND BROWNS stadium. then Ban me from posting on a public site.

Hurts when the shoe is on the other foot doesn’t it!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the point is...

…post some intelligent thoughts or stop posting.

You’ve made 10+ posts to say the following:

1. Steelers are in 3rd place in AFC North.

2. Steelers suck…which I’d like to say is unsupported…but because you’re a Browns fan, you may actually be an authority on sucking.

3. You were insulted by a Steelers fan at a Browns game…when instead you should have been insulted by what the Browns put on the field (and paying money to see it).

I don’t think anyone has any problems with you mixing it up…when done properly, it enriches the conversation.

by HoustonPA on Oct 12, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

PITTSburg is still in THIRD place!!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW Crackhead

They are in 2nd place

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Oct 12, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Third

Tied for second, but with tie breaker, record within division, PITTSburg has not won a game (boy, that feels good to say!!!!), so, that puts them in THIRD!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right

and since the season ended yesterday, we miss the playoffs.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Oct 12, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am cool with that

PITTSburg missing the playoffs!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’ll settle this next week. You can bring Derek or Quinn your choice and funeral.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next week..

Yep, I have to agree with you…

You guys are going to kill us….

BTW: I am not all bad… I would like to thank Art Rooney for supporting Cleveland when Model (as in, “I gotta go take a Model”) moved a bunch of players to Baltimore. Those 3 years without a team was tough.

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

you idiots lost to the Bengals, too.

I actually kind of like having you here with us. You make yourself sound stupid all by yourself.

Remind me how many passes/attempts your poor excuse for a QB finished the “game” with.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Oct 12, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its all about PITTSburg

Just focus on your THIRD place team!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops...

What I meant to say is…Hey…Does your mommy know you’re on the computer?

by WyoFan on Oct 12, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the deal

Come over and contribute some discussion about the game. Make it engaging or worthwhile. Then you can bust chops. We give MaLor and others the opportunity to do this and most of us enjoy their presence here. Keep up this bullpucky and one of the Mods will ban you.

It’s not complicated and it’s completely up to you. Don’t blame the site if you can’t act civilized.

by Varmint on Oct 12, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some thoughtages

Writing on phone. So excuse my poor form. Couple of thoughts.

Look at the coverage in the postgazette. Many on the d are saying that we haven’t been blitzing in the 4th. What is the common denominator in our 6 consecutive 4th quarter meltdowns. In all of the we’ve been up relatively big onthe 3rd (minus tenesse). It seems that our bend but don’t break d has been breaking in the 4th. The question is why?

Possible culprits.

The obvious is Troy. I have no doubt he will help when back. But not enough to pin the whole mess on him.

Missing Mcfadden. When we lost McFadden we all wondered if Gay could step up. It seeme he has. Where we really miss bmac is in the dime and nickel where essentially he has been replaced by Ratliff, who looks downright lousy so far.

Age? Long 4th qrtr drives have made us look slow and tired. Consideing that we have townshend, keisel, smith, farrior and Carter, all
 on the field maybe it’s cause we are.

More in a bit must let thumbs rest.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 12, 2009 12:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Good thought on McFadden, in the nickel and dime packs, we really miss him there.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good phone poast

I have to say I think the Troy absence hurts a lot for our D.

But honestly I have a feeling that Farrior has lost a step or two and cant keep up. He just seems unaware anymore. Letting Felton fly right by him up the middle, when he had help on the side to cover the RB. Little things like that bug me.

And B-Mac i dont think was totally precious to our D, but I do agree that the 4th string level is having issues.

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, you think the Bengals are pretty good?

I watched the Bengals-Ravens game and neither team was very impressive. Actually, the Bengals almost blew the game with some horrible tackling on the Ravens’ last TD. Palmer threw another pick-6 and was only impressive on the winning drive. Flacco also was mediocre throughout the game: he missed a sure TD in the second half by overthrowing a wide-open receiver.

It’s the same old story: play to your opponent’s level every week. I guess that’s the way the NFL wants it, but it doesn’t mean we have to like it. The Bengals current record is pretty misleading. They could just as easily be 0-5. And Logan is mediocre? What were you expecting: a couple of TD returns? He looked pretty good from what I saw.

by Billy52 on Oct 12, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear Fellow BTSC'ers

I’m not advocating visiting other team’s boards and posting inflammatory, repetitive, uninspired, juvenile gibberish, but if you do, kindly have the good sense to at least spell the home city or state of that team correctly.

by pghnorthside on Oct 12, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Missing a H...

I much rather spell it PITTSpuke….

but, I am OK with PITTSburg…

but not OK with Pittsburgh…

Go BROWNS!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And...

you are still in THIRD place!!!!

by PITTSburg on Oct 12, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don’t feed the bear

breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Oct 12, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

They dont make regular intelligence, let alone artificial over there silly

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WR Drops

Does anybody else remember a graphic during the broadcast that had the Steelers leading the league in dropped passes? I don’t like putting too much weight into statistics, but this makes Roethlisberger’s completion percentage that much more impressive.

by HereWeGo on Oct 12, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes, I believe you are correct…they flashed that REALLY fast during the game.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Oct 12, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I feel for Ben he’s puttin em more or less on the spot.. And yeah seems every week we drop a surefire TD…

Ben also missed wide open Hines on the right side when he was throwing across the field to the left. Not lookin at all.

But yeah our WR’s gotta get some stickum or something.

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both sides of the ball are tired in the fourth

Listening to Pgh game announcers go down to Wolf on the field for some insight on the injury timeout for Clark, I started to wonder if this has been the problem in the fourth quarter. Wolf was going on how Clark looked out of it and the whole defense looked like they were dragging. With the big swing in the time of possession between the teams every week, is it possible the offense is just too tired to keep it going.They come out like gangbusters controlling the clock the first 3 quarters then peter out. Thus putting the defense out there most of the fourth for continuous play with little let up. The defense are not youngsters any more. What do you think?

by ibygeorge on Oct 12, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I would like to see Burnett or Lewis get a bit of time in the nickel and dime.
I would like to see a fresh Keryan Fox sub in and get some hard knocks.
I would like to see young Ziggy Hood putting QBs in a bad mood.

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 12, 2009 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

More Ziggy please!

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Parker

So if FWP is healthy next week will he start or will Rashard?

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tomlin

Probably won’t share on that one until he has too

by SteelerBuddha on Oct 12, 2009 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Parker

But Rashard is the obvious choice right? Or am I missing something?

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWP will be okay against the Browns

But no way he can run against those Vikings. If he starts there be prepared for all that loss of yardage.

by Han on Oct 12, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So depending on opponent is who rushes for us?

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I don’t know about that. I just personally feel that Mendy will run better than Parker against the Vikings, provided he protects the football.

by Han on Oct 12, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right FWP and Mendy have had fumble probs off and on. I am just tired off seeing Parker not do much when he started out real good, and I miss Bettis.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say if and when Parker comes back he will be limited unless Mendenhall makes some major mistakes in the coming weeks.

Turf toe can linger and rushing him back will only extend the injury.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Oct 12, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we want Parker back? I mean he has had chances upon chances to prove himself, and it took the fear of losing his job for him to step it up. Rashard has had less time and done more with it, unless you count a 75 yd superbowl run.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Parker done as a starting running back in the NFL? Perhaps, but please don’t act like Parker hasn’t been a key cog in both of our recent Super Bowl victories.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Oct 12, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

He has done good things for us and I guess I get excited about Rashard the way you do about Wallace.

by BleedBlacknGold28 on Oct 12, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course you want him back

I’ve always been a #1 parker fan but I’ll be the first to say Im happy Mendy’s got the job right now.

But at the same time, having Parker work his way back into the gameplan can not hurt us provided he is healthy. Healthy FWP shreds.

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWP

We just need to use him in the right way. he absolutely has a role. But it’s not as a replacement for Jerome. Two totally different backs…FWP is great on the edge with some room to run…he’s taking it to the house…on 3rd down up the gut…nope. Aint happening…and if I know the damn difference with no real football knowledge then so should arians et al.

Steelergurl

by Steelergurl on Oct 12, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tomlin

said it’s Rashard until further notice…at least that’s what I saw in press conference notes.

Steelergurl

by Steelergurl on Oct 12, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Parker has been misused for quite a while now

The coaches have used him as a 20 + carry back the last few years and it has obviously taken its toll. Willie was never meant to be that type of back. Even though he bulked up to take on his new primary back role, he’s just not that type of runner.

That’s like the Titans giving Chris Johnson 25 carries a game and expecting him to last the entire season. With the amount of injuries we see in the NFL today, it is much wiser to have two or three RBs sharing the load instead of one dominant guy.

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 12, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

with Cincy

they play cleveland, detroit, kanasa city and oakland.
that gives them 8 wins
between the texans, bears, chargers and jets, (and steelers/ravens) they could be 2-4.
That would give them 10 wins.

then again, I haven’t watched any of their games this year, I don’t know if they simply are an average team, playing division games close or if their defense is finally good and benson figured out how to play to his potential.

by vherub on Oct 12, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They're better than they let on

Carson is healthy. I respect them when that is the case. I’d rather poke em with the big stick of a multi game lead in the division then have to get up close and rough with them.

Still, I think this division is a much tougher read than last year. We all have light schedules, and that means the only real easy way to compare is by looking at common games.

Like how we do against SD versus the other teams, etc…

by Mechem on Oct 12, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me of is Keiwan Ratliff shaky?

Seems like he gets beat a lot. I guess at this point they figure he’s better than both our rookie corners. Wish the kids saw the field more and gained experience, though…

by Steelfrog on Oct 13, 2009 2:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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