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A good game for Sweed


I know this may not be popular but at least hear me out.  I am a pretty firm believer that most of Sweed's issues are with his head and not his hands.  I say this because I have seen him catch enough tough catches and even some clutch ones.  I think sitting him for one game was fine and he needed it.  I also think, that sitting him continually is a mistake.  He needs to get in there and catch some footballs.  I may have missed it, but I only saw him have one ball thrown to him last week, slightly behind with the DB draped all over him.  He didn't catch it, so he sits the rest of the game.  If someone's confidence is shaken that won't help.  You get one shot a game, if you miss the first one, no more.  If that is what is happening then we may as well cut him now because he will never improve.  This game, while not a gimme, is definitely a should win.  A perfect opportunity for Sweed to get in and get some confidence going so he can be an asset the rest of the season instead of a question mark.  Start him out with shorter passes and gradually work him downfield.  Just my thoughts but it sure would be nice to have him straightened out by the bye week.

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There are no gimmie games, this week will be a challenge for us, and you go out and compete every week. That being said, like coach Tomlin said, you go with a guy that can move the chains consistently. Yes Sweed gives you a special team’s guy as well, but when the main reason we drafted you was to catch the ball, and you consistently drop balls, you won’t get a hat on Sundays

by daburgh73 on Oct 14, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Given that there are no gimme games as many and both of us have said, then if he doesn’t play until there is a gimme game, he will never play. He is a big question mark that is for sure. For him to shake this thing though, he has to do it in games situations. Chain moving catches have not been his issue, it is the wide open TD’s, of which this season he has dropped exactly as many as Wallace. If the one ball they threw to him in Detroit is an indication of the future then they may as well trade or cut him because the odds of him getting better under those circumstances are pretty slim.

by DarinS on Oct 14, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn’t come up with a tough chain moving catch on the first drive against Detroit Darin. It would have been a good catch but NFL receivers get into position to make that catch every Sunday. In this offense you only get so many chances.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 14, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew this wouldn't be popular

So it is not surprising to see more against than for. I don’t have it taped so I can’t go back and rewatch it, but to me with where the ball was, with the DB grabbing his right arm(before the ball got there) that wasn’t a very catchable ball and one very few would make. Wallace dropped a sure touchdown, do you want to bench him? I certainly don’t. I agree to disagree with most here. IMO the only way he gets better is to play through it. From everything I have heard he does well in practice so for all who say he shouldn’t play, how does he get better then? If I am wrong, I will be the first to own up to it.

by DarinS on Oct 14, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for it

Honestly I think we need to continue to invest in him. He had like less than probably 15 balls thrown at him last year no? And we can afford to work him out in games when we have 4 great receivers right now (counting miller).

What we need to do is get a bit of a lead and then rest Ward IMO. Keep him fresh. If we can start holding teams down better, we can get sweed more time

by Mechem on Oct 14, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem

With letting him play through it is, the NFL is based off performance, the performance from Sweed this season and last is inconsistent. He can make the tough catch getting folded in half, but you can’t catch a 4 yard slant? You need to be able to move the sticks, catch the ball, get up field and have a sense of urgency, we gave him an opportunity to get some confidence on Sunday with an early throw that was pretty important in hind sight, and like history shows and he dropped it. I don’t care if there was1 guy or 2 guys on him, if it hits your hands catch the damn ball.

Yes Wallace dropped a TD and 2 plays later we gave up 6 the other way, but there is more of a grace period with being a rookie. Am I giving up on Sweed no, but when our defense is having trouble at the moment closing games out, you put the 11 best players on the field to help you win games, and yes moving the sticks helps you win games, and I don’t have confidence in Sweed to do that.

I believe he is thinking too much and putting to much pressure on himself, how do you fix that yes you put him in the game when we have a lead, but when have we had a lead that we kept? The past four weeks we had leads deteriorate. This may be a week where you can put Sweed in all of the fourth quarter but, remember this is the Browns superbowl.

by daburgh73 on Oct 15, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand what your saying and the reasons behind it and also why many others feel that way. The trouble is though if you keep by that train of thought it is very probable that we many never know. How would you like seeing him steaking down the field in a Ravens uniform and actually catching that ball. If he is just another Dwight Stone then so be it but the sooner we find that out the better. If it’s 3-3 in the fourth, he doesn’t get many if any chances. If the game goes like it should, then there should be multiple opportunities. As far as the 1 ball thrown to him in Det. I still stand by that very few in the NFL would catch that.
I do appreciate your opinions though, nothing wrong with a good debate but we may have to agree to disagree on this one.

by DarinS on Oct 15, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We said the Detroit game would be a good opportunity to try Sweed as well. Look how that turned out.

by dermonti09 on Oct 14, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweed an enigma

I too have seen him make tough catches one handed while getting crunched then the same game dropped one right in his hands. He shouldn’t be given an opportunity just to be given one. He needs to earn it. Tomlin is taking the right approach. It is week to week who suits up between Sweed and McDonald. If Sweed is the guy he needs to step up. He is a very talented guy who could easily be the next Plaxico Burress (without the attitude and guns) but he needs to start producing. Patience can’t be unlimited. In Sweed’s defense though, it is said he has an outstanding work ethic and has a great attitude so hopefully he gets it together. He could be a difference maker. But again he needs to parlay potential into results and soon.

by BubbyBrister6 on Oct 14, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your comments

Many years ago I attended Airborne (Parachute) school in the Army. A kid turned the wrong way and stuck himseld and his chute up on a 200 foot tower. The instructors dragged his butt down and made him repeat the task until he was confident in his abilities.

The same should apply to Sweed. I would love to have the luxury of 4 Great receivers!

by Durangosteve on Oct 14, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I rewatched the game last night, Tuesday ritual.

And Sweed had no chance at that pass.
Also he was on the punt return team and was blocking really well.
He gets open, can play Special Teams (see Redmann) but needs to catch. He has one more year to get it or he’s gone and a bust. But not yet. I do have my fingers crossed for the guy though.

by SNW on Oct 14, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

However, he looks as if he doesn’t want the ball thrown to him. His body language is definitely all wrong. The Browns are a good team to build your confidence on. I would like to see a 5 WR set with Sweed and Wallace going deep, Heath working the middle and hInes/SA working the sidelines.

Sweed needs something very positive to happen on the field. Like 4 plus catches and a TD

by 72Steeler on Oct 14, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda what I was thinking

Any game can be tougher than it looks to me but this game seems to be as good as any to get him some serious playing time. I think it better to figure out if he can contribute at this point in the season than still not knowing later on in the midst of a playoff run. I don’t doubt that McDonald can, from what I have seen he has extremely sure hands. If Sweed can come through, he offers a more explosive option. If he doesn’t, I would be really surprised to see him here next year. I do understand the, no he only gets 1-2 balls a game if that, I just don’t think we will ever know for sure if that is the case. Much like trying to judge a RB with 3-5 carries a game.I don’t think 1-2 balls a game gets him into the flow.
There was a comment that said we shouldn’t redesign our offense to get him the ball and I agree with that, I also think there are plenty of options in our sets to get him some shorter passes to get his confidence up. In the end if we can do that, it will be a big 6’4" plus for the team.

by DarinS on Oct 14, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree

I agree that he needs to start producing, you can’t produce if you are not in the game though. One ball a game won’t make him better. My point is, we have to find out sooner or later and sooner would be better so why not this week.

by DarinS on Oct 14, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If we are ahead by 21+ points...

…put Hines and Santonio on the bench and play Wallace and Sweed for a while. Let Charlie Batch hand off to Mendenhall. But the way our defense has been playing, I want our starters in there if the game is any closer than three touchdowns.

by Steelin on Oct 14, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This Is Steelers Football

and Sweed as a WR may only get one or two chances a game to make a catch. That’s the way it goes. You have to make the most of your chances. This isn’t pee wee league with Sweed’s dad as the HC.

He will play on Sunday against Cleveland and probably get another chance or two. But that’s it. You don’t change your entire offense to make sure you can get Sweed the ball continually because he has upside and potential. I’m pulling for 14 but I can only comment on what is on NFL tape not what he did in college.

And to SNW above, I respectfully state that to say “he had no chance to catch that ball” is conjecture. Every Sunday I see top quality NFL WRs get in position and make that catch. I’m not saying it was a gimme like the TD against Chicago…or the TD against Baltimore in the AFCCG…or the TD against SD in the divisonal playoff…It would have been a good catch. Top quality NFL receivers make good catches.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 14, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did someone say peewee Daddy Ball 101

I’m all for 2nd, 3rd, chances when you shown the ability to get open against anyone. However, you must make plays or you no good to the team. You can’t drop TD passes in the NFL. Does he do extra work with QB’s and jugs machine? Extra film study… What???

by 72Steeler on Oct 14, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But right now, Sweed is not a top quality receiver. He is a young kid whose struggling with his hands. That’s not a ball I expect him to catch. That’s a catch I expect Hines to struggle to make

by mojo88 on Oct 14, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya mojo. Here is the thing. There is a fine line between winning and losing in the NFL. Between sitting home in January and getting an extra game (or 3) through February with Lombardi waiting. Look at NE last year. 11-5. No playoffs. No Lombardi.
Again, I’m not hear to bury Sweed just to provide an alternative view to the “you gotta start Sweed & throw him the ball X times” crowd. We lost the CHI game. He catches that ball we probably W. What if that throw had been to Holmes? TD? Probably. It’s a fine line.
Look how close DET got. What if Culpepper’s hail mary is complete? That “tough” catch that you expect a Ward (or McDonald?) to come up with went to Sweed and the DB made the play while 14 didn’t. If 14 makes a championship caliber play & catches that ball it’s a first down. We keep running clock that isn’t there at the end of the game as DET is closing in.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 14, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear what you’re saying as well, I’m not talking about starting him at the 1 position or anything like that. I am talking about working him in the rotation and giving 4-6 chances. Should we throw him a bomb if the game is tight, eh probably not, should we if we are up by 14, I think so. Tonio wasn’t exactly catching everything thrown his way when he started and still has stretches where he doesn’t. The impact of the one very tough missed catch had a lot less impact on the game than Wallace’s dropped TD, subsequent penalty, less than tightly run route that in part contributed to a pick six, that’s a 14 point turn all in a matter of 3 plays. I certainly don’t want him sitting out. I am not talking about sacrificing a win to get him some catches. We just need to see if he can do it, much like we needed to see what Mendy would do with 20 touches a game versus 3-5. You bring good points to the table and I respect your opinion, I just have a different one.

by DarinS on Oct 14, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

He needs to start making those catches. Unquestionable. But at this stage of his career, his confidence is shot to pieces. Hines has got 2-3 years tops, and with Tone coming into a big contract, we need a third WR. Sweed has shown plenty of promise through pre season in catching balls in traffic. 6’4 guys with speed to burn aren’t growing on trees.

I don’t expect Hines to make that catch, I expect he may have. Semantics maybe.

by mojo88 on Oct 14, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

My defense is we are talking about Sweed, Holmes or Ward would have a chance, not Sweed yet.

by SNW on Oct 15, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know this is crazy but...

Move Sweed to CB? He’s fast as hell, big, tackles well and plays ST well.

by 36chambers on Oct 14, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's crazy, but it is a stretch...

He is struggling at a position he’s played his whole life (to my knowledge). If we take him now and change him to a CB, a totally new position which he may have never played outside of prep ball, I can’t see that going any better than trying to make him better at what he already is. It’s not a terrible idea, but it’s not very realistic at this point, in my opinion.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Oct 14, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh, i threw that one out a while back

actually went and spent some time looking online, dunno if that switch has ever been made in the NFL though…

by acrollet on Oct 14, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just Like Ike

Then we should count how many int’s he coulda had. May as well tape up his hands to avoid and holding calls; a big club could come in handy to force a fumble.

by steelerwheeler on Oct 15, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree................

I am 45 and years old and got my first real job at 23. I messed up a couple of times in the first month and then was relegated to menial tasks for the nine months I worked there. I was never given another chance to prove myself. Since then, I’ve worked twenty years at a similar job and have done very well.

My point is that the guy has only been in the league for 1 1/4 years, and must be nervous as hell-give him a break. Could most of us put up with the pressure that he has? I think not.

by grapes on Oct 14, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wallace over Sweed

I’ll tell you something I’ve noticed about Sweed and Wallace. Sweed drops more passes than he catches. When he makes a drop (which is all too often) he shows no signs of regret or dissappointment. He just shrugs it off as if it’s no big deal.

When Wallace dropped the sure TD against Detroit, notice how upset and disappointed he was with himself. He was so upset he kicked the ball and caused a delay of game. Now THAT’S the mark of a true competitor and perfectionist. And he comes back later in the game and “MAKES UP FOR HIS MISTAKE”.

You just don’t get that from Sweed.

by Vinnie_Paz on Oct 14, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

disagree

Kicking the ball is a mark of immaturity, just like Sweed writhing around on the ground after missing a catch. Sweed has also come back and made catches and a monster block on a db in the Ravens game. Not saying that means he’ll make it as a pro, but just stating the facts.

by acrollet on Oct 14, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He looks remorseful

He just shows it a little quieter IMO. I think he’s like feeling the weight of the world or something

by Mechem on Oct 14, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweed will get another chance

Unless he gives up on himself.

There will be an injury, maybe someone just needs a rest for a few plays. If he continues making plays on ST, he will dress, and there will be times when number four WR will be needed on the field …… I’ll be watching with fingers crossed.

"More than 70 percent of putts left short do not go in."

by euwolfie on Oct 14, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a little trip back in the ol' time machine...

I recall a couple of weeks ago every one with an opinion was ready to nail the coffin on one certain Rashard Mendenhall’s Steeler career. Now the collective opinion is that he is the savior of the running game. Obviously, there are some dissimilarities between the two situations. But if it is a mental thing (and it seems clear to me that it is), Coach Tomlin is the guy I want trying to fix it.

by pghnorthside on Oct 14, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vikings

I’ll be much more comfortable with Mendenhall if he perfoms, at least adequately, against Minnesota on the 25th.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Oct 15, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed!

BUT, he has to have at least 15 carries..he has to share the load with FWP..2 or three carries of minimal gains is no wat to determine if he can run against a good defense..He doesnt need 150 against the vikes…80 will do it, with 300 in the air

by nycsteelerfan on Oct 15, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly

what I was thinking. Average 3.5 to 4.0 yards per carry. I would not expect to see to many runs on 1st downs either since that D-Line is always keyed up to stop the run. Last thing the Steelers need is to get stuck in 2nd or 3rd and long because they are too stinking stubborn. It appears they have moved away from that a bit this year as, can’t believe I’m saying this, BA’s play calling has been MUCH better this year than any I can remember. Combined with the vastly improved O-Line play, methinks we got what it takes.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Oct 15, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ding Ding DIng

I actually think the situations are at least mildly similar. Rashard had hardly seen any game time and was being written off and then barely getting any game time. Sweed has dropped some balls, no debate on that, but many young receivers do and move past that. If the game is super tight then maybe you don’t give him as many but if we have a little room I think we need to get him more involved. You don’t learn how to catch with game pressure in practice and you certainly don’t watching from the sidelines.

by DarinS on Oct 15, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. Keep playing Sweed and throw him the ball.

Given what the guy did in college and the few flashes he’s shown as a pro, I don’t think benching him is the answer. Let him spell the first-team WRs and let’s keep throwing to him. By the end of the season, we’ll know if he’s a prime-time guy or not. We can’t afford to make a hasty judgment on Sweed and then maybe later see him develop into a star for another team.

by Billy52 on Oct 15, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Prediction

Sweed gets a TD this week. 3rd Quarter. (im 5 heinekins in right now) open end…no CLOSED endzone. 1:51 left to put the steelers up by 3 scores!

Ron Paul was Right.

by Steelchamps !! on Oct 15, 2009 2:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is sweed gettin a hat?

Ron Paul was Right.

by Steelchamps !! on Oct 15, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

but I heard Sweed is in trouble. He got in an accident and the cops asked him for his proff of insurance. Just so happens he dropped his coverage.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 15, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that's funny.

I don’t care who you are.

by SNW on Oct 15, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Had me for a second,lol

by DarinS on Oct 15, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweed the good and the bad.

ST, looks like he contributes.
Blocking seen it, good.
Route running, seem good.
Speed, good.

Catching the ball, I’d have to give him a D-. This is 80% of the score for a WR.

Too bad he’s not a CB cause he’d be Ike.

by SNW on Oct 15, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweed v. Mendenhall

Delicious was #2 behind a starter who went out, plus he screwed up in practice and actually played better than Parker when they both dressed. Sweed is lousy, cost the Steelers a game and will probably end his career with more TD drops than TD catches. Ben’s got 3WR, 1TE and 2RB who can catch the ball,, plus he’s willing to wait until one of them gets open. No way he ever throws toward Sweed again. Keep Sweed on the roster in case Wallace gets hurt, otherwise Macdonald is #4 and Logan or Grisham backs up any other receiver that gets hurt. Sweed makes next year’s 80, but he’s gone if he so much as drops a deuce anywhere near Tomlin.

by steelerwheeler on Oct 15, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am Sweed's biggest fan

I think he has the talent to be one of the best recievers in this league. But after he dropped that touchdown pass – well he didn’t drop it, he caught it, hit the ground and wasnt holding it tight and it popped up – against Cincy I was so frustrated with him I said I was done with him. But the guy is the tall reciever we’re missing, we’ve invested a 2nd round pick in him. You gotta have those guys work, you cant have bust in the first and second rounds, those guys are your starters for sure. We gotta work him into it, screen pass, maybe a shovel pass. Just get the ball in his hands and some easy catches, then go deep. All I know is the day where he has 5 catches for 100 yards and a TD will be the day we all be glad we kept this kid. The great thing about ben is that he forgets, yes he forgets bad passes, forgets interceptions, and also forgets bad drops. If Sweed is open downfield ben is more than willing to try to make the big play.

by tannofsteel84 on Oct 15, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok so here's the real problem

I know it’s tough after some of the drops but come back to him. When Wallace dropped his guaranteed TD, they came back to him and he scored. Sweed was never given that opportunity, this year or last. It may seem like it happens all the time but it really doesn’t because he doesn’t get that many chances. Holmes used to fumble all the time if anyone recalls…..he kinda still does

by lilbomberx on Oct 15, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweed would be fine...

IF BEN WOULD JUST STOP THROWING SPITBALLS!!!

by TheHumbleOne on Oct 16, 2009 6:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you were playing egg toss would you want Sweed as a partner?

Just a joke. I like Sweed but don’t like what he’s playing.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 16, 2009 7:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont know but..

I really wouldnt want Kordell as my Cornhole partner : (

Ron Paul was Right.

by Steelchamps !! on Oct 16, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No bad lines about bags....

I will leave that one……alone

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 16, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think last week was a real good game for Sweed

If you ask me, I think he looked real good in his new role, as showcased against the Lions.

I think he’ll be playing the same role for the rest of the year.

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 16, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

up until a couple weeks ago we felt that Mendenhall was a dissappointment

now that Mendy is getting lots of playing time I would like to see sweed get some too. Its hard to want to take Wallace of the field but I think sweed should be a 3rd WR for at least a game.

Im for it

by shleeve on Oct 16, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?

What has Sweed done that makes you want to see him?

And, more importantly, what has Wallace done to make you want to bench him?

Wallace can play. He can catch, and he had the longest run from scrimmage on Sunday.

Why would we change things now?

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 19, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You are misunderstanding the point

This is not about wanting Sweed over anyone much less Wallace. This is about finding out if he can help this team.
Given that by all accounts, he practices very well, game time is the only way. If I thought it was his hands and not his head, I wouldn’t be that interested in it. If he can’t get over this then get rid of him. I would hate to see us give up on him though and then watch him prosper somewhere else. If he can get past this it creates huge match up problems for everyone we play. That would give us 3 field stretchers and really almost 4 the way Hines is playing. Defenses couldn’t double anyone, throw in Heath and Mendy or Memo out of the back field and I really don’t think anyone could stop us. We can’t look past any opponent but when it comes to player development we also have to look down the road and do what we can to develop them when we can. I would not have started him instead of Wallace but had he been active there were certainly spots he could have gotten in. Bottom line is, if he can get past this he is a huge asset, if he can’t,he is taking up a roster spot, the sooner we find out the better.

by DarinS on Oct 20, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe in Game 16

I understand your point… I just don’t get why you keep harping on it.

Now is not the time to be putting guys in the line-up who have any sort of question mark after their name. I don’t know if you have noticed it, but we are still a game back in our division, and it’s not like we have a couple of “gimmies” coming up.

Fact is that if Sweed had caught the TD pass against the Bengals, we would have a comfortable lead by now in the division. Instead, we are still in catch-up mode. Why put him in “to see if he can play” when we know Wallace can?

This is not a science experiment. It is the NFL, and we are in a dogfight.

I don’t want anyone out there that “might” be good. If we have clinched home field advantage in the playoffs — or if we ever run up a score like 45-0, then, sure, play around with maybes… until then, play to win.

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 20, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your opinion and the reasons behind it, I just don’t agree. I doubt I will change your mind or vice versa so we will just have to agree to disagree and see what happens.

by DarinS on Oct 20, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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