Analyzing the Cribbs Kickoff Return
After what appeared to be a "Superbowl" hangover the Steelers got off to a slow start at 1-2. However, since then they have figured some things out (played easy defenses) and won 3 straight to sit at 4-2 tied a top the AFC North with the Cincinnati Bengals. It seems all cylinders are banging with the #3 ranked D and #5 ranked offense. With those high rankings, you would believe the Steelers are mowing down their inferior competition and blowing teams out. However, this has not been the case at all. So what is causing this seemingly good team to play such close games against teams that are not very good? Some reasons I have heard are "we play down to our competition" or "Troy has been out" or "turnovers" and the list goes on.
I am going to take a different side of this story and argue poor special teams coverage has been a big part in our inability to close out the competition. More after the jump.
I jumped back and forth between giving an indepth analysis of the statistics or just showing a specific play. I decided most people get lost by a lot of numbers, but everyone enjoys pictures. Everyone enjoyed picture books when they were kids! So I decided to do a step by step analysis of the Joshua Cribbs kick off return that kept the Cleveland Browns in the game on Sunday. Without this spark for the Browns, they are looking at a 14-0 hole with 4 minutes left on the clock and an offense that has not moved the ball well that half.
So lets move on to the screen caps (red = Steelers, blue = Browns):
*UPDATE* After further review it has been determined that Mr. X is Patrick Bailey
This is a look at the field directly after Cribbs catches the ball. Cribbs catches the ball at around the 2-3 yard line and there is a ton of space on either side. Off the bat, you can tell Cribbs is going to have a good return. Jeff Reed does not seem to be getting a ton distance or air under his kicks, which does not allow the coverage to get down the field fast enough. Stefan Logan is the first down, but has two blockers between him and Cribbs. This does not look promising. Also, note Ratliff's location and the guy who fell down between Logan and Ratliff (I watched the video 50 times and cannot figure out who it is, maybe Fox, I'll call him Mr. X as to not pass blame to the wrong guy)
Wow, that space closed quickly, didn't it? Nice speed and coverage by our boys. Stefan Logan is hit head on by Alex Mack, who at 311, is almost twice the size of a tiny 185 Logan. It would appear Logan is done on this play with Mack a guy twice his size. However, Logan has done his job as a gunner, get down the field, force the returner to one side of the field, and eat up a blocker. Now, notice we have the "advantage" with two coverage guys with open field view at Cribbs and only one blocker in the way. Mr. X who had fallen down, got up quickly and put himself in position to make a play.
The lead blocked chooses to engage Ratliff on the outside probably thinking Cribbs will go out side and run up the side line. This screen cap makes it seem like this return is over. Cribbs should get bottled up and taken down by either Mr. X, Ratliff, or Arnold Harrison, who is just behind Mr. X. What happens next got me angry, because it is just a lack of execution and effort.
This screen cap is little a split second later, notice the clock has not changed. However, you can see that a bunch has gone fundamentally wrong. Mr. X takes a horrible angle at Cribbs, this is made worse by the fact that Harrison ran into and pushed Mr. X a little bit further down field. Additionally, Harrison, who clumbsily stumbles into Mr. X, takes himself out of the play. Anyway, I have to give Cribbs a ton of credit here. It appeared that he was headed outside, because there was no hole up the middle. In that splt second that Mr. X takes a bad angle Cribbs notices it and pounces. He reads and reacts in less than half a second, simply an amazing athlete.
Cribbs hits the hole, and hits it hard. He is off to the races. The biggest thing to notice here is the hold on Ratliff. its blatantly obvious from our point of view. However, I don't see a single ref in position to make any sort of call. This is pretty strange because, someone is supposed to be watching the returner and blockers directly around him, or so you would think. Anyway, spilt milk, no use crying over it now. Partial blame to Ratliff here, he could have at least stuck out an arm, before he was held, to slow down Cribbs at least somewhat. You cannot see it well here, but Mr. X, who made the bad angle, takes a terrible leaping tackle at Cribbs. Even with the bad angle it appeared he could at least have put a hand around some shoelaces.
Throughout the entire return, Cribbs goes literally untouched. That means the coverage was terrible, generally good returns mean a broken tackle, this was not the case here. Mr. X is the big goat on this play. He takes a bad angle and compounds it by attemping a tackle that made him look like a kicker trying to tackle someone. Kudos, to Logan on this play. He weaved his way down the field around blockers, eats up Mack as a blocker, and forces Cribbs to choose a side. Logan even bounces off Mack and almost has a chance to tackle Cribbs, almost.
In my opinion, our coverage has been pretty bad this entire year. Something needs to be fixed. I think a big problem was that Andre Frazier was inactive this week, and he is one of our leading tacklers on ST (thanks steelguy99 for the stats). If we slack off on ST we are going to find ourselves in a lot of trouble this week against a very good Vikings team. I believe the winner on Sunday will be the team that commits the least mistakes. Hopefully, bad coverage like this is an anomaly.
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Is it possible that our Mr. X is Pat Bailey?
by BluegrassSteeler on Oct 21, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe there are only two white guys on the coverage team, Baily and Reed, and X is definitely pasty. I think you found a winner.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 21, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are right
Every time I watched it I’d see “56” and I was like, that ain’t right. I shoulda realized the 5 can look like a 6.
So Patrick Bailey is the goat.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very funny
I considered writing this up right after the game, and spent about 15 minutes watching the play. It’s definitely Bailey. You can tell both by the skin and you can see the flash of the number early in the play.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 21, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I first clicked on this and saw Ratliff and Logan highlighted I thought “oh no”. You do a great job highlighting the play and even though you are in the sit-Logan camp you don’t call him out for not being able to beat two blockers. You highlight the hold on Ratliff, but don’t over-emphasize it.
Ratliff actually does a good job on this play. He takes the outside cut away from Cribbs forcing him inside where TWO steelers players are unblocked and should easily make the tackle. This play is all on them. They absolutely have to make that tackle, and you make it pretty clear from the screenshots. They make the tackle there it is your standard ho-hum 23 yard KO return.
Even with Frazier (who I guess had a thigh contusion last week) our coverage has not looked that great this year. It looked much, much better last year.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 21, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right on 99
I was going to point this out if no one else brought it up. Ratliff’s job is to keep Cribbs away from the sideline. That’s his gap, and he fills it. He forces Cribbs inside to his buddies who flail like wild buffoons and still has a shot at either making the tackle or ruining the return by drawing a hold.
Real nice job with the screen shots and analysis Johnny. Bailey screwed up and he wasn’t the only one. Ratliff doesn’t get any of the responsibility for this one.
Can we change the guy’s name from Mr. X to MR F, though?
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by BadMaafala on Oct 21, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Madison
Cutting Madison was a fairly popular move – and with Troy out for four games it came in awfully handy having a DB would could actually be more than a special teams gunner. However, in situations like this we pay for it. If Madison is over there instead of Ratliff he either makes the tackle on Cribbs or slows him down enough for somebody to drag him down.
I do wonder what the advantage to having Ratliff out there though. He gets tooled in coverage on a regular basis and now he’s getting tooled on ST. I don’t know why Tomlin would refuse to play K.Lewis in some sub packages instead of Ratliff. He may get burned too, but at least he’s a rook and the experience may make him play smarter in the future. At the very least, he can’t play worse than Ratliff and has some considerable upside with some playing time.
With 26 probably in his last year and Ratliff unlikely to be back next year it’s time to see our two rook corners get some playing time.
by BluegrassSteeler on Oct 21, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good points
But like I said the main reason this happened was bad execution by Bailey and Harrison.
However, Ratliff should be strong enough to break off a block and get an arm on the guy who is about a foot away from him. If he cannot, why the heck is he on the field? I wonder if it wasn’t an issue of lack of strength, and just pure laziness. The more I watch the return, the more it looks like Ratliff just didn’t try to get to Cribbs. He gets locked up in the block and then just does nothing.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing when I was watching it. At the very least Ratliff should have tried to arm tackle him. Does that bring Cribs down? Probably not, but it slows him down at least.
by BluegrassSteeler on Oct 21, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post mano
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by BostonWahoo on Oct 21, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post Johnny
Your screen shots, illustrations, facts, and comments, gets your point across very clearly. I enjoyed the education.
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Oct 21, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agree with the rest
Great post. And the fact that Cribbs sees that seam develop in under a second and hits it certainly speaks to his ability as a return man. Most returners naturally go to the sideline without looking at that. This is something I’m hoping we too have found in Logan.
Also kudo’s to Logan for gunning. I think this is one of the key reasons that he retains a roster spot. The more you can do and all that.
by Chicago Steeler on Oct 21, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree about Logan. I wish I had more video to analyze more kickoffs and watch his positioning. If he can do this every play, he is definitely a keeper.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good post Johnny. I agree with most of your analysis about culpability and I would attribute most of it to Bailey taking a bad angle and doing a nice bullfighter/cape routine, with Ratliff aiding and abetting by being unable to disengage from a hold. Reed is traditionally one of the league’s worst kickoff guys in terms of yards but he puts enough air under them so that in most cases, including this one, the coverage team is in position to make a tackle between the 20-25 yard line. Cribbs is good. The only comment I would disagree with is that IMO on most long kickoff returns, the returner is untouched until being forced out of bounds or slowed down by the kicker. Coverage breaks down, he finds a seam or an outside alley, and he’s gone without having to break any tackles. This is the kind of messy execution error that has been present in all six games, in different phases, with every unit having their turn. The coverage units have not been sharp though. Bailey has not made the same number of plays as he did last year. Madison is a notable absentee. Perhaps it’s time for Donovan Woods to get a shot again; he was outstanding last year until being hurt and replaced in the lineup by Bailey. Nice work and thanks for putting up the video shots.
by steeler.lifer on Oct 21, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Maybe if I write something in the near future I will look a little bit more into the stats. Its just fun and interesting to break down screen caps IMO.
I agree with giving Woods another shot, but who do we drop to bring him up from the PS? Ratliff? And let one of the rookie CBs try to step up?
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bailey?
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 21, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I’m dumb, why’d I not think of that.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmm I love me some Donovan Woods.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 21, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't troll so I don't know but
Is there anywhere else in the world this kind of indept madness gets done. Well done really. Love this stuff.
by SNW on Oct 21, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec City...
Just what I was hoping for Johnny…Can anyone tell me how to insert a photo into a reply to a post? Thanks.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
by maryrose on Oct 21, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Clicky the picture of the tree:

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 21, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you put in the URL of the image which you can find by right-clicking the image you want and going to “copy image location”. In this case, the hold picture URL is:
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/276799/ko5_medium.jpg
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 21, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always just use exclamation points at the beginning and end of the link.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to be magical like DYMS to post videos in comments?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Oct 21, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to do this...
Because this is about as thorough an analysis and exceptionally well written post as we have the pleasure of finding on BTSC. But I have a disagreement with Johnny_S.
Although Patrick Bailey was culpable on the coverage failure, I can’t agree that Stefan Logan was in the right position. He ends up in the same lane as Bailey and Harrison and the replay, to me, appears to clearly show he was the guy with responsibility to cover the gap between Ratliff and Bailey. When Logan was blocked to the inside, he stayed too far inside leaving an alley between Ratliff and the rest of the coverage. And the reason Bailey gets knocked down is because Logan allowed himself to get pushed so far to the inside, the same Brown blocker was able to impede Bailey.
Another note: Both Keyaron Fox and Jeff Reed appear to be the guys in the second wave of coverage that are way, way too passive in not forcing Cribbs either to the sideline or to cut back inside. Fox can be seen standing still at the 33 as Cribbs is at full speed running in the opposite direction crossing the 30.
by pghnorthside on Oct 21, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To be brief
Looks to me like Logan did what he was supposed to do. It looks to me like the coverage was set up to defend return (offensive) right. As for the guy next to Ratliff I still think he took the wrong angle.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Oct 21, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagreements are encouraged
It sparks good debate.
Logan ends up in the same lane as Bailey and Harrison, but about 3-5 yards down field, and parallel with Cribbs. Cribbs is running full speed down field and Logan, at the time of bouncing off Mack, is 5 feet from Cribbs. I don’t know their 40 times, but it doesn’t matter since Cribbs has a full head of steam and Logan just collided with a very big guy, he has no chance of catching him. If Ratliff, Bailey, or Harrison could have slowed him just a bit Logan may have had a chance to tackle him.
Logan did what he was supposed to do, get down there fast and make Cribbs choose a side so the coverage behind him can hit that side. He did that and still almost got Cribbs. Great execution on his part (this coming from a big naysayer of Logan having a roster spot earlier this week). Bailey just takes a bad angle and basically lets Cribbs run by.
I didn’t analyze the second wave of coverage because it was so well blocked it didn’t matter at that point.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what Johnny said
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Oct 21, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
I played on the KO team in HS and a little bit in college, not all 11 guys have lanes per say. 2-3 are gunners or wedgebreakers who go down and take out the lead blockers while about 6 have lanes to maintain. The last 3 usually hang back a bit and try to put a triangle around where the runner is heading. Thats how it was where I was anyways. I’m sure the pro’s are gonna be a little different, but it looks like logan and one other were ahead of the others doing the whole wedge breaking thing.
by Steelde#1 on Oct 21, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure its a bit more complex, but I would agree not every player has a lane. Just look at Ratliff. He hits the breaks around the 25 yard line and maintains his lane on the outside instead of pursuing Cribbs to the center. Bailey does the same thing, but then just lets Cribbs run right by him through his lane.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great post rec'd
I’m glad to see you have come around on Logan. The question you brought up earlier this week was a good question and created some very good back and forth on the subject. It made me(and clearly you) go back and analyse the ST.
Very good breakdown of our coverage team.I like the pictures better than the stats also. Now we need Stefan to take one to the house so you can break that down :)
look forward to more.
by 1STstate bucco on Oct 22, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Minn is having ST problems
Hopefully we can see Logan break one this week, it would give us a huge boost in a game that is most likely going to be tight.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good look at the hold
Steeler depot did a break down on the hold. Clearly Ratliff was grabbed.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/blog/2009/10/missed-holding-call-on-cribbs-kickoff-return-on-ratliff/
by Cracker Jack Black on Oct 21, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for posting this. That is a great look at the hold.
by Blount Trauma on Oct 22, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hold was minimized on tv
I forget who was broadcasting the game (what, Browns – Steelers isn’t the network’s A game!), but they clearly pointed out the hold as it happened, going back to it once or even twice on the replay. But the color guy dismissed it, saying Cribbs was already past Ratliff when he was held.
So, they made a good spot, then dismissed it with a bad analysis. Were Ratliff not held, he probably could have at least slid a step towards Cribbs and possibly slowed him down a bit or knocked him off stride just a little.
A hold on the contain guy when he pushes the returner inside isn’t irrelevant.
by upabob on Oct 21, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Harlan did play-by-play & Solomon Wilcots did color. He is the one that kept saying Mend-ING-hall.
by Cracker Jack Black on Oct 21, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilcots is usually pretty good, underrated because he doesn’t just endlessly spew hyperbole, rehash the pregame storyline and resort to cliche’ after cliche’, but the Mend-ING-hall was driving me nuts.
What was frustrating about the call of the kick return is that Harlan’s initial call made it sound as if a flag were already thrown and it wasn’t until Cribbs was in the end zone that Harlan notes that the hold wasn’t flagged.
by pghnorthside on Oct 21, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilcotts is good
I agree that Solomon Wilcotts is an underappreciated color guy. He’s been good for quite a few years, even though he’s rarely on the big games.
I did wonder why he did say ‘Mendinghall’ the entire game, though.
by upabob on Oct 22, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say it was irrelevant
I just said it was not called and there is nothing we can do about that. No amount of coaching or planning will allow for us to plan for that. So I just did not harp on it, because there is no point.
I was focusing more on the things we should have done and that can be coached and fixed in the future. Sorry for the confusion.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ratliff is lame.
I prefer someone willing to stick his head in there instead of dancing with blockers. I’ve never seen Ratliff do his job properly in a Steeler uniform, whether on ST or on defense.
by Billy52 on Oct 21, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess you don’t watch the games.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 22, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wonderful breakdown— very careful and thoughtful analasys
good job
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by Pola-Gona-Maul-U on Oct 21, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant stuff Johnny
Rec’d
Cribbs never stops giving us hell
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by Steeler_ on Oct 22, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
actually there are two of them :-) who never stop giving us ...
One is Cribbs who’s doing the TD return thing almost every game against us.
The other is Jaguars CB with long hair (forgot the name) he keeps getting pick 6s almost every time he plays us.
by Bonek on Oct 22, 2009 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rashean Mathis
He has 6 interceptions and 3 touchdowns in the last 5 games against them. Yikes.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reed's kickoffs
I understand that there is technique involved, but I’ve wondered if Sepulveda’s strong leg could be utilized on kickoffs. Has he been looked at on kickoffs in the preseason, in past seasons or in college?
by Steeler Fan in Saudi on Oct 22, 2009 4:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't do that...
the reason is – increasing the chance of possible injury.
by Bonek on Oct 22, 2009 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, that’s not really a big deal…
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 22, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
how fast people forgot last year’s experiments in punting…
by Bonek on Oct 23, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could ask if we could just throw it like in backyard football.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys, two hand touch on kickoffs!
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We didn't even play two hand touch when we played in the street
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t forgotten, but not playing someone on 3 more snaps than normal to keep them healthy is stupid.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
coach's tape of the return
go to: http://www.steelers.com/multimedia/MediaCenter/
and look for the Browns “chalk talk” episode. Labriola and Ilkin break down the play, along with several others.
by acrollet on Oct 22, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they’ve been doing this all year, and it’s great stuff.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 22, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know this, thanks
It’s a replacement for the Tunchistrator from the defunct SportsBeat TV show.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
by maryrose on Oct 22, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also worth noting is that from the endzone view Logan makes the first guy trying to block him fall on his ass.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 22, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You saw that too huh?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more rec
Good stuff there.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 22, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
P. Bailey fell down on the play; D. Woods, K. Lewis waiting in the wings
I think the culprits on this return are between P. Bailey, A. Harrison & K. Ratliff. I thought Logan did a good job getting down there, taking on a blocker and still trying to make a tackle on Cribbs. Bailey fell down on the play. Harrison took a bad angle.
The only reason Bailey is on this squad is special teams. If he isn’t doing that at a high level, he is expendable. Donovan Woods is waiting in the wings if Bailey doesn’t pick it up. K. Lewis is another option for special teams that is on the squad. Getting A. Frazier back will help. And don’t forget, Roy Lewis is still on Seattle’s practice squad and is awaiting a call up. Let’s hope that they pick it up this week.
by datruth4life on Oct 22, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’ve been underwhelmed by Bailey throughout ‘09. I didn’t think he belonged on the 53 man over Woods. From what I saw in the preseason, he’s useless on defense and his special teams prowess from ’08 has evaporated.
by pghnorthside on Oct 22, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bailey was up and still in position to make a tackle when Cribbs was approaching. He did fall down, but he popped right back up instantly. The bad angle he took at Cribbs took him out of the play, not the falling down.
Hopefully Bailey is bumped off this week for Frazier if he is 100%
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. The bad angle was the end of Bailey on that play. Falling down didn’t hurt his chances. His falling down did impact the other defenders, though. He was an obstacle for the others to get around.
I’m not going to dump on Bailey for mucking up one play. But if he doesn’t step up soon…
by Varmint on Oct 23, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEAH!
I’m not the only one thinking “where’s K. Lewis?” He is fast and big and dominated that last preseason game. He looked better than Ratliff or Burnett all preseason and I’ve seen nothing of him since.
Did he get hurt? Did he show some glaring weakness I didn’t see? I loved that kid all preseason and thought he had a shot at being the nickel back. I’d love to see him get a shot, I think he’s going to be a really good player. Early years of Chad Scott good. And that isn’t shabby at all.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 22, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lewis
I think he didn’t take to special teams that well. He played well at the corner position but never flashed on ST. Thus Burnett getting the hat instead of him.
by Chicago Steeler on Oct 22, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that tackles are a very good way to measure ST prowess, but Bailey only has 5 tackles on the year and this. I really don’t see the value he adds to team.
I don’t think Ratliff did anything wrong on this play, but he’s made plenty of mistakes in the secondary. I think both he and Bailey are pretty expendible and maybe a guy like Madison or Woods or CHIDI IOWOMA could bring a little more. Woods in particular has potential down the road.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 22, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No!
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by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you really meant to say is Clint Kriewaldt!!!
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by BadMaafala on Oct 23, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Woods and/or Lewis. I’ve seen Madison in coverage, and if ever there was a guy who was a drop-off from Ratliff, it would be him. Lewis is an unknown in that department, but he is big and physical. Lets let him learn.
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by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Madison = Bailey in their respective positions, but it’s the ST’s that they both excel at. Except Bailey hasn’t been very good there either.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 23, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta wonder...
Have Bailey’s responsibilities been changed this year? This year, he’s been coming down the middle. I seem to recall him coming down the edge last year. I may be wrong about that, but it does make me wonder if his production is lower because his position has changed.
by Varmint on Oct 23, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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