Facts about the Vikings top two threats

by BlitzKurtain on Oct 22, 2009 1:50 AM EDT Comment 71 comments

Steelers vs Vikings! Take my word for it, Steelers win this one. Steelers are at home on this one. Big Ben is 9-1 against the NFC at home. The Vikings D is without their top CB, who is arguably their best player in the secondary. Ben will shred this D through the air. Only if Arians stays smart and does not leave Starks 1-1 with Allen. I'm not worried about the Williams sisters getting after Ben. He can outrun or elude both of them with ease. Its set in stone that our O will outmatch their D with our playmakers. The question is how will our D stop their O?

Brett Favre is 2-2 as a starter against the Steelers in his career. More importantly, he is 0-1 when playing in Pittsburgh. And he has only seen this version of Lebeaus D once before, in 2005. In his only game against this ferocious 3-4 D, he lead his team to a lost. He was 20 of 35(57.1%), with no TDs and 63.3 QB rating. But his performance was actually worst. He threw a pick, was sacked twice, and lost a fumble that led to 7 points. This D has only got faster and meaner since 05. And Brett has gotten older and slower since. If the young Brett couldn't get it done against Lebeau, I don't see how the old one will.

Peterson wants to be remembered as the best to ever play the game. I believe he will retire as "one of the best", but not the best ever. But all great RBs in history have one thing in common, a great D could shut them out on any given day. Eddie George was never a factor against the Ravens. Ladanian Tomlinson is never a factor against the Steelers. The list goes on... And Peterson is no different. Peterson has faced this exact same 3-4 D just once, pre-season of 08 in Pittsburgh. How did he fair? He rushed 12 times for 21 yards(1.8 ypc), with 1 TD. His longest rush was 6 yards. He caught 3 passes for 11 yards, and no TDs. His longest reception was 4 yards. He was a non factor for the short time he played our starters on D. I don't see that changing this Sunday.

Steelers D will bring the Vikings O down, faster than Timmons brings down Peterson in the picture above. The final score will be something like: Steelers 28-Vikings 17. Lets go Steelers!!

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Steelers bring down the undefeated Vikings? Throw style points, stats, and scores out! Just give me a YES or NO

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I love...

… the pic of Timmons! Hopefully we’ll be seeing a lot of that on Sunday.

by rrollett on Oct 22, 2009 4:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow...

OK, ignoring the “If your a Steelers fan…” (it should be You’re).. and about thirty other things your 10th grade English teacher would have a fit over…

A couple of things about your football posts…

Yes, the 2005 defense beat up on the packers, but you cannot compare that team with the 2008 Vikings. The 2005 Packers were a bad team. They finished with a 4-12 record. There was no Adrian Peterson on the team, and Favre basically had to try to win every game with his arm.

That is not the situation this year.

And as for Great Running backs always being shut down by great defenses… um… not really. That’s why they are great running backs. (OJ Simpson went off for 182 yards against the Steel Curtain, for example…)

The Steelers can shut down AP. I don’ t know if they will. But they can. But he could also go off for 140 yards against us. All it takes is one good run to daylight.

I believe the Steelers will win this one because they generally take car of business at home. But this one is no gimmie.

If Brett stays patient, this game will come down to another 4th quarter nail-biter.

And as for comparing quarterbacks, if Ben throws that slow out pattern one more time for a pick six, we could be in real trouble. (Ben has more interceptions thrown for touchdowns than Favre has interceptions.) If Parker/Logan/Mendenhall put the ball on the ground, it can be real trouble.

In other words, this game will probably be decided by who wins the turnover battle. So far, Brett has been much better than Ben in protecting the football. But, other than the Packers (who were decimated on the O-Line and not prepared for the emotional big stage) and the Ravens (who may or may not be any good this year) they really haven’t played anyone. (Cleveland, Detroit, St. Louis, and SF — who I can’t figure out).

OTOH, who have the Steelers beat? The Titans, who New England just stomped? SD, who is pretty much who we thought they were (which is to say the annual fraud…)

In some ways, this is the first real tests for both teams.

But… You’re dreaming if you think it is gonna be easy (or should I say “your dreaming”)

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 22, 2009 8:27 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs

Yup

I agree completely Mark. I think this game is going to set the tone for the rest of the season. We’ve lost some close ones this season by not being able to put it away in the 4th like we did so well last year. I see it coming down to that, 27-24 Steelers on a last minute field goal.

by TomlinsPuffyJacket on Oct 22, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Could nto have said it better

Perfect rebuttal my friend. Your a genius.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

is this "nto" thing a slang which I don't know ? :)

just kidding :)

by Bonek on Oct 23, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes

it means “not.”

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uhhh...its 1337 speak

Yeah, I meant that…

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's all good 'nat

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sort of a tangent, but I can’t figure out SF either. I thought they were going to do pretty well, especially with their division and then they got stomped.

by Salty on Oct 22, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I believe that would be

The Titans, whom New England just stomped?

Those who live in glass houses…

by acrollet on Oct 22, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not a glass house

Maybe a nice brick house with a lot of glass windows…

But there is a huge difference between not using the formal pronoun substitution (which is hardly used anymore) and using the wrong word entirely…

You probably don’t really want to start an English grammar contest though…

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know, I was going to comment...

… about the ‘your’ for ’you’re’, but decided that it was off-topic. But I would love to get involved in a grammar police scrum.

P.S. to acrollet – obviously those childhood dinnertime sessions were effective. XXOO

by rrollett on Oct 22, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really don't want to start a grammar contest...

especially because I’m given to drop in to the vernacular. I just take a special vindictive joy in pointing out the errors of those correcting others ;)

by acrollet on Oct 22, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I make a mistake everytime I write something

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They were....who we thought they were!!

Sorry I couldn’t resist. I watch too many beer commercials

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hehehe

I’m not sure who I think San Fran is… I can’t quite figure them out.

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 22, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL Just smile and nod

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

smiling and nodding

by worldtrip on Oct 22, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

take car of business?

by freeben on Oct 22, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's from the south leave his accent alone.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oy! Please fix that.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Here

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

Your my hero!

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 22, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How are you not worried about Kevin Williams?

You might have a little too much faith in the o-line. Those guys have defintiely gotten better, but no team has been able to consistently block that Vikings front. We are not some unbeatable team. We almost lost to the TITANS!!!!

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 22, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

^^ definitely ^^

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 22, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dude...

Did you just agree with your own post???

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 22, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's got a multi personality disorder

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was correcting my mispelling of definitely

And sometimes I’m myself, other times I am Chuck Norris.

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 22, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chuck Norris is suing NBC

Because his left leg and right leg are copyrighted as Law & Order respectively.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aren't Chuck Norris jokes a bit old?

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes they are

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Quiet Steve

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Johnny quit touching steve

and both of you be quiet.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sometimes I think I am Kenny Rogers too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WML_U4a_AsM

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 22, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Only because Chuck Norris has been around since the beginning of time.

by Mechem on Oct 22, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice post

I’d like to point out a few things.

This D has only got faster and meaner since 05. And Brett has gotten older and slower since. If the young Brett couldn’t get it done against Lebeau, I don’t see how the old one will.

There’s no denying that Favre has gotten older and slower, but there is also no denying that he’s playing smarter football and making less wild throws. If you look at his stats from 2005 and compare them to this year, the argument could be made that he is taking much better care of the football and just plain playing better football this year than in 2005.

And Peterson is no different. Peterson has faced this exact same 3-4 D just once, pre-season of 08 in Pittsburgh. How did he fair? He rushed 12 times for 21 yards(1.8 ypc), with 1 TD. His longest rush was 6 yards. He caught 3 passes for 11 yards, and no TDs. His longest reception was 4 yards. He was a non factor for the short time he played our starters on D. I don’t see that changing this Sunday.

It was pre-season. I guess a game is a game, but I seems to me that using stats from a pre-season game from a different year altogether to draw conclusion from for the regular season could potentially be a little misleading.

All that said, this is the Vikings toughest game to date. The Steelers are an incredibly solid team. This is 1 of 2 Vikings games that I’m going to this year, unless a post-season opportunity presents itself. I am looking very forward to it.

by Figgs on Oct 22, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You want to meet up with some Steeler fans?

We don’t bite. A lot of us will be there.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ya don't say?

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I eamn from BTSC

Is that you Steve?

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, Steve is a smart ass.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha ha, smart ass.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 22, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm going with 3 Steelers fans

One of them who is a native of Pittsburgh and whose folks still live there. I’m sort of at the mercy of what they want to do, but I will pitch it to them and let them know. Let me know what you were thinking.

by Figgs on Oct 22, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A bunch of us are meeting at Gate A

I will be wearing a Steeler coat. :)

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Watch out for Pixburgh, he got caught last week pissing on a curb and then tried to fight a cop.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 22, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've seen enough black men taken out for less

I’m not stupid.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fortunately race isn’t an issue in Pittsburgh.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not at all....

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Arnp

You’re black?

by worldtrip on Oct 22, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually brown...but

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Damn iPhone auto correct thing. Should say "Arn"

by worldtrip on Oct 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

his cat’s breath also smells like cat food

by acrollet on Oct 22, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No dog's breath smells like dog balls

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 22, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did he win?

by Figgs on Oct 22, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

under investigation...

by Bonek on Oct 23, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Black man versus cops.....stupid question

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That and...

Peterson has faced the 3-4 three times this year. Green Bay held him to under 100 yards. He went for 180+ yards against Cleveland and 130+ yards against Baltimore.

Two outta three ain’t bad. It is hard to make a argument that “AP is bad against the 3-4” stick … at least to any reasonable observer…

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

San Fransisco also runs a 3-4

From the only TRUE North division

by thewild_viking_twins on Oct 23, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good points

Peterson does seem to really put effort into those preseason games so i’m hesitant to play the “its a preseason game” card.

Favre has managed to look amazing but we all know he has limits when he faces a tough opponent. So far he hasn’t had a superb defense in his face.

Blitzburgh’s been on the way back too.

by Mechem on Oct 22, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not contending

That Favre doesn’t have limits. I’m just saying that where he’s slowed down some perhaps he’s made up with better game management skills. That and he has the best RB in football behind him.

Also, I’m not hesitant to play the preseason card at all. It is preseason, and for many reasons it is not at all indicative of the regular season.

by Figgs on Oct 22, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This sunday is the beginning of the end for favre...he will be battered and

will start his decline for the season….by december he’ll be completing probably 54 percent of his passes. There is a reason 40 year old guys don’t generally hang around in the NFL. The physical toll will start showing this sunday.

by SteelersFnRule on Oct 22, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

underpromise, overdeliver.

by Bonek on Oct 23, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

overaged, undertaken lol

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

RE-SIGN GREG LLOYD!!!!!!

Tell him it’s the preseason.

Seriously, does anyone else remember that hit, it’s still one of my favorite football memories.

by Phantaskippy on Oct 22, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I have to agree.....

I’m not scared of the Williams sisters either, i think Ben could shrug them off racket or no.

But those Williams brothers, they are scary……….sure Ben can outrun them but thats assuming hes at top speed and knows exactly where they are………

besides, they are there to stop Mendy, Willie, and MeMo……………..Allen is there to stop Ben.

by shleeve on Oct 22, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Best hit ever

The best hit I recall is in 83 when the Browns qb, Brian Sipe (it was his last NFL game as he announced he was going to the USFL the next season) was running down the sideline, juked like he was going out of bounds and Jack Lambert lit him up. Lambert’s quote: “Brian has a chance to go out of bounds and he decides not to. He knows I’m going to hit him. And I do. History.” I looked on Youtube for a clip of this hit, but no luck. If anyone can locate this film, please let us know. BTW, there are clips on Youtube of Lambert dumping Cliff Harris (who still is a punk!) on his head in the SB.

by VinniePie on Oct 22, 2009 10:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs

I read somewhere...

… that after this hit a lot of Browns players run over to Lambert and beat him up. Is it true? If true, then why Steelers players didn’t rush for help?

by Bonek on Oct 23, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs