Vikings (6-0) @ Steelers (4-2) - Facts, Figures And Thoughts On Sunday's Game At Heinz Field
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Oct 23, 2009 2:15 AM EDT
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Pardon the lack of posting the last day - busy day for me. Back to it though as Sunday's intriguing matchup between the Vikings and Steelers approaches. Earlier in the week we look at a pair of interesting matchups in the trenches - Jared Allen vs. Max Starks and Kevin Williams vs. the interior offensive linemen of the Steelers. There are plenty of other interesting individual and unit matchups, but because it's late in the week, I thought I'd instead just cover a broader and more random range of thoughts and notes about the upcoming game.
* The Minnesota Vikings have won 16 of their past 19 regular season games. That's pretty darn impressive. They've also won their last 8 regular season games. Considering that 13 of those past 19 regular season games came with either Tavaris Jackson or Gus Frerotte under center, it's pretty safe to say that Minnesota has put together a fairly well-balanced and talented team on both sides of the ball.
* The Vikings have also won their past six road games dating back to last year. Now granted, the three road wins for Minnesota this year have come against the Browns, Lions and Rams. But that still doesn't tarnish the accomplishment. It's not as tough as it once was, but it's nevertheless not an easy task to avoid having a slip up or two every so often away from home field.
* The Vikings offense is off to a torrid start - Minnesota has scored at least 27 points in all six of their games, and have eclipsed 30+ points in four of the six.
* Minnesota has faced two competent quarterbacks in 2009 - Joe Flacco of Baltimore and Aaron Rodgers of Green Bay. Flacco threw for 367 yards; Rodgers for 342.
* Jiminy Christmas - how good is Adrian Peterson? AP has led the league in rushing yards per game in each of his first two professional seasons (95.8 ypg in '07; 110 ypg in '08) and is on pace to for a three-peat in 2009 (104 ypg). I'll be watching nervously to see if James Farrior, Lawrence Timmons, LaMarr Woodley, James Harrison and Troy Polamalu are able to keep AP in front of them and not allow him to rip off any huge run(s).
* The top three completion percentages in the NFL through 6 weeks: 1) Peyton Manning (73.5 %) 2) Ben Roethlisberger (72.5 %) 3) Brett Favre (69.7 %).
* Brett Favre has never finished a season with a QB rating of 100 or higher. In fact, he's only had three season with a QB rating of 95 or higher. Big Ben meanwhile has three seasons with a 95 or higher QB rating, including one year where he eclipsed the century mark. Goodness, I love our quarterback.
* Since losing consecutive home games in the middle of last season, the Steelers have won 9 in a row at Heinz Field.
* The Steelers have the smallest point differential margin (+28) of any team that is tied for or winning their division through 6 weeks. That shouldn't come as any huge surprise - the Steelers haven't been able to blow any team out in quite some time (not counting Week 17 against the Browns last year), even though they are the defending champs and are sitting at a very respectable 4-2 thus far in '09.
* Phil Loadholt, meet LaMarr Woodley. The Vikings rookie right tackle has been pretty good so far for Minnesota, but he's a bit banged up and has been limited in practice for much of this week. Here's hoping Woodley has the breakout game we've been expecting out of him this coming Sunday.
* Bernard Berrian may lack the physical gifts of his teammates Sidney Rice or Percy Harvin, but it wouldn't surprise me if he has his number called quite a bit on Sunday. I'd imagine that William Gay will be defending him for much of the game and I'd expect the Vikings to call a lot of quick-hitting passing plays that don't allow the Steelers to really vamp up their pass pressure. Berrian may lack the explosiveness to burn the Steelers down the field, but he's more than capable of helping them grind out long drives and eat up precious game clock while Big Ben looks on.
Back to work for me. More soon.
Go Steelers!
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Bernard Berrian
He’s not really the Vikings’ possession receiver you think he is: “Berrian may lack the explosiveness to burn the Steelers down the field, but he’s more than capable of helping them grind out long drives and eat up precious game clock while Big Ben looks on.” BB led the league in yards per catch last year—because he’s our deep threat. He may not be as agile as Percy Harvin, or have the leaping and catching ability of Sidney Rice, but he’s really, really fast. And tall. Likely, if he makes a catch or two during a drive down the field, it’ll be for 15, 20+ yards, and the drive will be shorter.
by virginia viking on Oct 23, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can your CBs cover this really, really fast guy in practice? Just a question.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harvin is faster than Berrian -
a bit faster in the 40 and considerably faster at top end speed. If you remember the kickoff TD return, the announcers were pretty amazed at how he made the pursuit look like they were standing still once he hit about midfield.
by Migrant lurker on Oct 23, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not worried about Ike Taylor covering Berrian, Ike is very fast.
Harvin could give us fits, not exactly a good matchup for our nickel.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he will try to catch a pass over the middle against Clark
Then he’ll have Florida “Gator arms” the rest of the game.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming his shoulder doesn’t take him out for the year at that point.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially the special teams. Josh Cribbs took one to the house last week. I could see it happen with Harvin. The Steelers special teams have driven me mad for a long while now. I don’t think the kick off team ever stops the guy before the 20.
by paddym on Oct 24, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
Berrian is the Vikings best vertical threat and I would expect Taylor to be covering him most of the game. I doubt he will be much of a factor but he has big-play ability. A very high percentage of the Vikings’ pass plays are short, timing routes, within 10-15 yards of the line of scrimmage. We’ll see if that can be effective if it’s raining and the field is sloppy, and especially if the Steelers D is physical with receivers off the line of scrimmage. That’s what the 49ers were able to do and the Steelers have a much better D than San Fran. Favre gets the ball out quickly. He’s had success with Rice by being able to influence safeties but that won’t be as easy with Clark and Polamalu. Harvin is a wild card but again most of his plays are short routes. Shiancoe is very dangerous, especially in the red zone. Chester Taylor on screen passes is another threat. The Vikings have scored a lot of points but their offense has not been as good as the points would indicate. A lot of short fields and a few big plays distort the picture.
by steeler.lifer on Oct 23, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Anyway you cut it we’ve scored only 3 (THREE!) less points than the Saints have this year. I’d say thats pretty damn impressive.
by Jepp The Viking on Oct 23, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if you noticed...
But you’ve also played 1 more game than the Saints. They average 38.4 points per game, and you 31.5. Still impressive for you guys, but consider they hung 48 points on the NFLs number 1 defense.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vikings offense
My point is that the Vikings’ point totals don’t reflect offensive domination. They are 13th in yards per game, 14th in first downs, 8th in time of possession, 12th in yards per play. It’s a good offense but, apart from Peterson, not an intimidating one.
by steeler.lifer on Oct 23, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty good offense + Pretty good defense = Great NFL team.
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great?
That’d mean there is about 10 great teams in the NFL right now. I’d say you have to have one be great and the other be pretty good to be a great team.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t you consider a top-10 team to be a “Great” team?
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe top 3
and we might be that 3rd team…maybe the 4th
by vikesfan4lyf on Oct 23, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good = top 15
Great = top 10
Amazing = top 5
IMHO
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry...
But only dynasties get the amazing tag
by pghnorthside on Oct 23, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn’t call the Steeler’s defense “amazing”?
by Bjorno on Oct 24, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop being Silly
You might like to look at the stats, but when in comes down to the facts. The Vikings will slaughter the Steelers, make you look like banana peelers.
"You thought you could beat my team, but yours decided to go have ice cream. Bow to my awesomeness" Brad Childress
by packerslayer on Oct 25, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gonna say a similar thing……..
Berrian is fast, really fast and both him and Harvin can stretch the field.
by shleeve on Oct 23, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
def think berrian is the deep threat. or at least was last year when he was on my fantasy team. think it might have something to do with his hammy strain in preseason or favre’s arm that he hasn’t caught a ton of deep stuff this year
by t1mmy10 on Oct 23, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
Berrian and Favre never had a chance to build any chemistry in the preseason because of that injury. Considering most of our pass patterns are timing-based, that chemistry is VERY important.
That, and the fact that Favre and Harvin have hit it off pretty well, same goes for Sidney. Berrian will start getting his share of looks soon.
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also of note about AP is that he is averaging about 5.1-5.2 YPC for his career.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember when we faced the Giants last season
And some thought since they had a great rushing attack they would run all over us. I think if we stop Brandon Jacobs, Ahmad Bradshaw, and Derrick Ward, then we can stop Peterson. He’ll still get his yards, but it’s going to be tough sledding for him.
by StoneColdSteel on Oct 23, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and tough sledding for anyone trying to tackle him.
I want a Polamalu-Peterson collision and see who comes out on top. That would be a sight to see.
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other Safety
If a hit is what you’re looking for, you want to see Clark and Peterson.
Polamalu doesn’t really deliver big hits. He just brings guys down from odd angles, comes out of nowhere, and closes on the runner faster than anyone seems to expect. Troy “sees” where the play is going faster than other people and he wraps up. But his tackles aren’t really fodder for the highlight reel. It’s what he does before the tackle that makes him so effective.
by Varmint on Oct 23, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose.
Well then, bring on this Clark fellow.
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t think you want to see that.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be cold-blooded, but...
…I’d be happy to trade our knight for your queen.
Ryan Clark is good. Real good. But he’s not going to be a football legend. If we lose Clark, we can replace him with a guy who is almost as good. I don’t see you guys replacing Adrian Peterson so easily.
by Varmint on Oct 23, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
Chester Taylor is a suitable replacement, but not nearly the explosive runner that AP is.
by Bjorno on Oct 24, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Sorry But!
As A Witness (of watching of course), any given Sunday Peterson can do some tremendous things to “Great” Defenses!
As The Play Snaps, One Dream, One Team, One Head Coach will be on top! Will It Be The Vikings?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 23, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the complete opposite could happen
Any Given Sunday
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And thats Exactly where Favre comes in
If he is so called getting “Stopped” obviously there is 8 man in the box, sooooo… Favre will just handle his business and eat the defense alive. But eventually Peterson will bust one regardless.
As The Play Snaps, One Dream, One Team, One Head Coach will be on top! Will It Be The Vikings?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 24, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
I wonder if you are such a superior team, why we are even going to play?
I’ve seen Favre lose plenty of games in my life, so don’t get too crazy. And you haven’t face a defense quite like ours yet.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 24, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you haven't faced a Running Back Like Ours Yet
Soooo.. That will be the biggest matchup in this game… Peterson vs. the “Superbowl” defense. It’s going to be fun! And I’m not saying we’re superior, just saying!
As The Play Snaps, One Dream, One Team, One Head Coach will be on top! Will It Be The Vikings?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 24, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If your game plan is concluding
that the all-time winningest quarterback in NFL history, who’s had one losing season in 19 years, can be the key to his team losing … that is an interesting angle to take with one’s hopes ;)
by puddnhead on Oct 24, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting piece not mentioned...
Visanthe Shiancoe – TE
Tied in the league for TD receptions, having a great year with Favre throwing the rock.
I BELIEVE...
On the improbable Vikings win against the Ravens...
" OH MY HOLY BALLSACK " - IABerserker1
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 23, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We don’t like to think about opposing TEs around these parts.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Considering the Steelers have only given up 1 TD to a TE this year I am not too worried about it. Especially since that TD was to Gates, who is a freak of nature at that size.
LeBeau lets TEs get catches occasionally, we are averaging 4 catches and 45 yards a game for TEs, but rarely lets them hurt us(once again the exception being Gates who is the best TE in the league right now, sorry T Gonzo).
I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a couple big 3rd down catches, but I don’t see him killing us in the RZ.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gates had 2 TD’s and Kellen Davis had a TD in the game at Chicago.
by pghnorthside on Oct 23, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Musta overlooked Davis, since he is 3rd on their depth chart. My bad. Not sure how I looked past Gates 2nd…
Anyway, still 3 TDs in 6 games…I don’t see Shiancoe dominating us.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Farve
likes throwing to Shiancoe, especially if he’s under pressure. Shiancoe’s no Gates but he has good hands and if Polamolu can’t go, (didn’t practice yesterday), that could be a matchup we don’t want. If we have to start dropping LBs to help with Shiancoe, AP could find some running lanes. I’m not too worried though, Ben will be keeping the Vike’s O on the sideline most of the day while he shreds their secondary.
by qwikdoc on Oct 23, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
guess Troy is playing tomorrow. good bye shiancoe.
by qwikdoc on Oct 23, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troy can't cover everybody, everytime, every down.......(or can he?...lol)
If the Steelers stack 8 against ADAP, (and I assume they will). That means single coverage for everybody else.
Now I’m sure Polamalo will make his presence be known, but if he’s covering Shank, then that means somebody else is open.
Go Vikes!
by chaosg on Oct 24, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vikings Steeler Matchups
Blizburgh,
Your analysis is always great to read. I also enjoy DaTruth, but haven’t read much from him. My comments are:
Aaron Smith’s loss will hurt particularly in stopping Peterson. Araron clogs up the running lanes so well and frees up Woodley as well as the inside rush. Hopefully, our substitution by committee does the job and we clog the lanes enough to slow Peterson down. I expect him to have some runs, but believe our defense can prevail in a close one.
The major key in my mind is the game plan put together by Bruce Arians. At times he has been ingenious in helping Ben to throw quick strikes and use the no huddle to frustrate charging defenses like Minnesota, whose character is not unlike the Ravens. If Arians uses the quick hitters, screens and combines it with using Wallace to stretch the field, I believe Ben can light up the Minnesota secondary. I would be interested in your thoughts.
Another factor in the game plan, which I hope is not overlooked is Mendenhall. He can light up the Vikings if given the opportunity. We can create some holes and should learn a bit from the Ravens game. I would like your thoughts on this as well.
Thanks.
by Thundercraft29 on Oct 23, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you sir.
Wish I had more time for analysis on this one.
I’m curious to see if we can get the running game going as well. I actually think Parker may have a better chance of breaking off some big runs than Mendenhall. Or perhaps said differently, I like our chances of running off tackle more so than I do running between the guards where the Williamses are.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Oct 23, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
factoring Parker’s turf toe, Rashard has a better chance this game. He is also perfectly capable of getting to the outside in a hurry.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 23, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not worried about this game...
as a vikings fan. Not because I think we’ll win, I’m actually putting money on the steelers this week, but because the Vikes have such an easy schedule the rest of the season, If we lose this game I think we’ll got 13-3 this year which is very convincing for the #1 seed in the NFC. The toughest games we have after pittsburgh are @GB, @Chi (in late december), and NYG at home (last game of the year, may be insignificant). Games I think we can safely say we’re going to win: Lions(H), Seattle(H), Bears(H), @Arizona, Bengals(H), and @Carolina.
Even if the vikings lose this game, our season still looks like a very successful one pending any midseason collapse. But like a steeler fan mentioned earlier, it will be interesting to see how the vikings stack up against another superbowl contender to help gauge how deep in the playoffs we can go.
by cdubs on Oct 23, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think three of the games
That you safely say are wins aren’t all that safe. The Bears at home, Arizona away and the Bengals at home could be tough.
by Figgs on Oct 23, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And right now the Saints are definitely the favorite for the NFC #1? Their schedule isn’t that tough comparatively:
@Miami, Atlanta, Carolina, @St Lou, @Tampa, NE, @Wash, @Atlanta, Dallas, Tampa, @Carolina
The toughest I see on there is 2 games vs. Atlanta and the game at NE…which is a home game. At best they could do 15-1, and at worst I see them at 13-3.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't sleep on the MIA game this week
but I agree it looks like clear sailing for NO. I see tops 4 losses.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miami is good
In that 3 loss scenario I would see @Miami, NE, and @Atlanta. Chad Henne is too legit too quit.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don'
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops hit a wrong button some how
I was going to say "Don’t hurt ’em Hammer.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Oct 23, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or.... "Please Hammer Don't Hurt Em" rather....lol
The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
-George Carlin
by Cdsumm on Oct 23, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah oh ....ah oh... ah oh ah oh... ah oh.... ah oh
here comes the hammer.
The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
-George Carlin
by Cdsumm on Oct 23, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miami dangerous
The Jets showed how to stop the Saints offense: control the clock. Miami held the ball for what, 40-45 minutes against the Colts? They didn’t win, but they’ll slow NO considerably.
by peterplaysbass on Oct 23, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My concern with Miami is
Don’t they have two rookie CBs behind Will Allen? Brees will abuse them. They could do exactly what the Colts did, have the ball less but every time they touch it move it quick down the field.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the Beginning of the Year
I had three games circled that would let me know about this year’s team. The opener versus the Titans (I think we all saw a drop-off coming, but this bad?), this game with the Vikes (looks like it will live up to its billing), and the week 12 match-up in Baltimore.
I think it’ll come down to turnovers, as it so often does. If both teams play at the top of their abilities I gotta take the Steelers, but this game is one AP run, one guns-lung ball into blown coverage, or one Ben pick-6 from being a loss. I am stoked.
by 13thieves on Oct 23, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Were the Titans bad in game 1?
As a Vikings fan, I don’t get a real good sense of the Steelers based on the outcome of their games and the numbers they have produced. I assumed that the Titans hadn’t come unwound in the first week and were still pretty good. Am I wrong?
by Salty on Oct 23, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so much that the Titans were better in the first game
The Steelers didn’t play anywhere near to their potential earlier in the season. And the Titans’ problems with QBs, injuries and turnovers have mounted since then. Nevertheless, I’m pretty amazed at how far Tennessee has fallen in such a short time.
by Billy52 on Oct 23, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berrian's pretty fast
I remember when he played for the Bears he always impressed me with his speed and agility. He’s definitely dangerous.
Heath Miller might have a great game. The Vikings have given up the most points to opposing tight ends this year. I think Arians will use him on some inside screens and quick passes to avoid pressure from that Viking’s front.
Favre will be forced to be patient because our corners play off quite a bit. As we all know, he has a problem with that sometimes. He’s going to try and be superman a few times and that will result in a pick or two.
by StoneColdSteel on Oct 23, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Favre has been much better this year about taking what he has given, so I think you are wrong about that. If our CBs play off in this game, Favre is going to nitpick us all the way down the field.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see if he can keep it up
Brett Favre is what he is, a risk taker. He’s gotten even more balsy over the years so I don’t think he can all of a sudden change just because of a different team. At some point, he’s going to go back to being Favre. I don’t know if it will be as bad as the second half of last year, but I just don’t think you can “teach an old dog new tricks”.
I think we might see the OLBs slip into coverage more to prevent those quick slants.
by StoneColdSteel on Oct 23, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
old dog new tricks
it seems to be working so far as Favre has 12 TDs vs 2 INTs and is completing nearly 70% of his passes.
by peterplaysbass on Oct 23, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he look good last season right about this same time?
by StoneColdSteel on Oct 23, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre through 6 as a Jet
68.2comp% 1,321yds 13 TD 8 INTs 92.6 QB rating. He was not as careful with the ball last year…
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also wasn't in a dome
That helps with completion %.
by Chicago Steeler on Oct 23, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But he is definitely having a lot better year this year than last, I don’t think there is much of an argument to the contrary.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
07 was a good year too
All interceptions aren’t on the QB either.
by Salty on Oct 23, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Favre is what he is, a risk taker. He’s gotten even more balsy over the years
That you say that kinda shows you don’t know what you are talking about. Actually the opposite has happened, Brett Favre v19.0 is much less a risk taker, and it’s not just come about all of a sudden this year, but gradually over time since the 90s.
If you can, catch a rerun of his games from the 90s … especially the early 90s, his first few years. He used to give Mike Holmgran fits on the sideline, how many crazy passes he tried. That’s where the phrase “No more Rocketballs, Brett” came from — Holmgren was miced one game, that got picked up.
No, actually Favre is taking sacks this year in situations that in his early years he would throw 9 times out of 10. For example, take a look at this clip form last week — note how in the earlier play mentioned (from about 0:30 to 1:00 in clip), as Maycock says, “Brett Favre doesn’t think he can make the throw, so he takes the sack”:
by puddnhead on Oct 24, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rocket balls
I am hoping Favre throws some “rocket balls” that Troy and Co. can pick off. I would love it if we could get a pick six of our own. When is the last time we had one of those?
Erik
by ekl on Oct 23, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops
Nevermind, how about Deebo in SB. My bad. That one should have counted for 8 though.
by Chicago Steeler on Oct 23, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Favre likes corners who play off
he’ll dink and dunk forever
by Salty on Oct 23, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berrian also draws DPI very well
According to Football Outsiders, he led the league in pass interference yardage last year, and has a couple big plays this year so far. Watch the Steeler’s defense when they feel like Berrian might get behind them. If they look like they’re making contact, Favre will through to BB hoping for a flag.
by peterplaysbass on Oct 23, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insight! I like it. We have a few DBs who have no problem grabbing a jersey if they’re getting beat. Which is fine, as long as you don’t get caught. They’ve also got the speed to stay with your receivers, so as long as they aren’t truly out of position, then I would hope they can keep their hands in….
Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people. (mattyc_77 on twitter)
by BostonWahoo on Oct 23, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favre is due
For an epic fail. We all know that he has a few games a year where we all ask, “Why is he still playing?” Why not against the Steelers. I see 4 picks.
Drew Scott
by Damnscot on Oct 23, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ike
get’’s 3 of them propelling him to his first pro bowl. STILLERS!!!
Drew Scott
by Damnscot on Oct 23, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Ike wakes up
And remembers that he has flippers instead of hands. Poor Face Me…
by Chicago Steeler on Oct 23, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really seals off the receivers.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taking out the games when he had a torn biceps tendon, you really have to go back a ways. If he has a klunker every 3 years, Sunday might not be one of them. How full is Ben’s due bucket?
by Salty on Oct 23, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had several “klunkers” for the Jets last year. Ben is aggressive and might throw a pick now and then but Farve is much more likely to lay a big ole steaming pie on Heinz field sunday
by qwikdoc on Oct 23, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, if you take out the games when he was throwing with a torn biceps tendon, you have to go back to 06 or 05.
by Salty on Oct 23, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vikings minus Favre = not so hot
Despite their streaks, I wasn’t too impressed with the Vikings last season. Seriously, was anybody in the league actually worried about the Vikes last year?
Their prospects on Sunday seem to hinge on whether Favre plays Jekyll or Hyde. AP is one helluva runner but the Vikes can’t beat the Steelers running the ball. Not that our defense is so great these days—just that it takes too long to score points on the ground. Ben would simply blow them out of the water with 3- or 4-minute drives.
Historically, Favre hasn’t been very consistent, even though he’s a great player. This year has been different so far, but Favre is bound to go “Jekyll” again soon.
But we know that Ben is consistently solid and steady, especially in big games like this. So without a pretty good game from Favre, the Steelers probably win. Even at his age, though, Favre still is pretty darned mobile back there—something that could create a few problems with extended plays and dropped coverages in the Steeler secondary.
by Billy52 on Oct 23, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
The Vikings were one of those teams you didn’t want to face last year. Besides one game (to the Titans in Tennessee), they never lost by more than a touchdown. They had all of the key components to a good team, except for a QB. If you caught them on the one day their QB was on, you were in for trouble. I for one am glad we did not run into them. We definitely would have stacked the box and make TJ or Ferret beat us in the air. God forbid he they got a couple lucky plays though.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
But I just have a feeling that the Vikes are like lots of other “almost there” teams in the NFL. It’s a quantum leap from “almost there” to six (or even two) Lombardi trophies. The Vikes better start thinking about the post-Favre era because it’ll be here sooner than they think.
by Billy52 on Oct 23, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 Lombardi Trophies
Means nothing this year. They want to win this year and Favre gives them the chance. Next year they better start looking for a QB.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wanting to win is what means nothing.
Those trophies mean we’re champions—right now, this year.
by Billy52 on Oct 23, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
We are the defending champions this year. We haven’t earned anything this year.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 23, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just made my point by stating that we're champions.
by Billy52 on Oct 24, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I didn't
The Trophies mean we were champions. We are not this year. You think that means something this year, but it doesn’t. I guarantee Tomlin would say the exact same thing as I am.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 24, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
We know it could be the post-Favre era at any moment. Unfortunately, the Childress does not seem to get it as easily as the fans do.
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we know that Ben is consistently solid and steady, especially in big games like this.
Those are not at all the descriptions I would use for Ben. How can you come remotely close to believing this?
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this game is a classic example of wearing a SB Champ bullseye. Everyone gets motivated vs. the Champs, especially an upstart that wants to prove it’s for real. Beyond the hype, ultimately this game is not that important to either team. The Vikes want a litmus test, and the Steelers can show their experience and resolve in handling a talented opponent with something to prove.
There’s not much built in animosity. Many Steelers fans still fondly remember the elfen Gary Andersen magically spliting uprights in both towns.
by chicos_pants on Oct 23, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed for the most part
But this game is kinda important to the Steelers at 4-2. Not huge because it’s not a conference game, but getting to 12 wins might be difficult at 4-3 and we saw last year that 11 wins isn’t always enough.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Oct 23, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
I just meant division/conf implications, but yeah — all wins count and the two early letdowns leave less margin for error.
Record against like opponents is pretty obscure for playoff implications, but total wins is unambiguous.
by chicos_pants on Oct 23, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to give you an inferiority complex or anything .. but the reality in Viking circles is that this is not some big “statement” game at all, that Vikings have painted bullseyes on the defending champs, yadda yadda. The reality is that most Vikings fans are even talking about keeping key playmakers out if they are questionable (e.g Winfield, Harvin), so that they are ready for what may be the TRUE big game of the season, next week: Favre Bowl II in Lambeau.
Sort of a variation on what Johnny S said — Vikings could cre less that you are defending champions. they are focused on being the same thing themselves next year.
by puddnhead on Oct 24, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
let's be clear
Real Steelers fans care about one thing only and it certainly isn’t the opinion of Vikings fans. All you are is just another W or L on the schedule.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Oct 24, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't be the end of the world for either team if they lose
But it is bigger game, or perhaps more correctly, a bigger opportunity for the Steelers if they win.
Remember how excited Tomlin and company were when they beat the Jags going into the Bye last year? A big win against an opponent that seemed to have had their number. A one game lead over the Ravens, and a reminder to themselves and pretty much everyone else that they will be a force to be reckoned in the second half of the season. SB hangover talk comes to an end. Fans can let their hair down a little, not too much, and begin seeing the possibility of a strong playoff run as a real possibility; especially if Ben and the offense outduel Farve and the defense plays solid against a high quality opponent.
The upside will even be better for the Vikings. Legitimate SB fantasies for the first time in a decade. A loss by either team will mostly provide leverage for the coaches and team leaders to encourage the team to take it up a notch or two; a ‘wake up call’.
by RickVa on Oct 23, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Meant to mention the Bengals
Must have gotten lost in cyberspace. A couple of sentences mentioning that we keep pace with the Cincy and keep pressure on them.
by RickVa on Oct 23, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question from a Vikings fan.
I was gonna ask this on our site, but I thought I would get a better response here.
This Max Starks character you guys have at LT, he is a big bookend and all but can he move? Do you think he will have issues against Jared Allen?
What about your interior linemen? Pat may have lost a step, but Kevin is still as dominant as ever.
I know you guys have a good line, I have watched a few games and seen Ben sit down and have a cup of coffee in the pocket before throwing a pass. But how do they stand up against tough lines like the one you are about to face?
Don’t sugar-coat it, I know you are worried. :)
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m running out, so I’ll just quote:
http://www.steelerfury.com/content/gospel-7what-best-life
Jared Allen is the best defensive end in the game…He plays the run like a mad man…He is quick powerful and ultra slippery rushing the passer. Allen doesn’t take plays off…His motor and his mouth run non stop…If Pussy Max Starks shows up Sunday…Allen will embarrass him…Starks plays one week like a pro bowl level player…The next week like a sissy tip toeing through the tulips. I will credit Starks with bringing his "A" game against quality competition in the past…I hope the nasty Starks shows up this week…I will know by the 4th offensive play…Starks and Kemo have the ability to collapse the entire side of the offensive line…The stage is set for this offensive line to bust out…Home game…5 Star matchup….What a perfect time to give their critics two heaping shit burgers to munch on. The Vikings under tackle Kevin Williams is the most disruptive interior one gap player in the game…Pat Williams plays a cocked nose guard and he just eats up space…Both Williams boys have play making ability…Kemo Essex and Hartwig will be the determining factor in the success of the run game this week…If they can combo block and get some movement…I promise you DJ Johnson will annihilate Henderson at the point of attack. Kevin Williams is a flat out fantastic pass rusher…He will be a matchup problem for any linemen he lines up over. Pat Williams is a fat bastard who bull rushes the guard into the quarterbacks lap…I would cut both Williams boys continually in Pass Pro…You want to slow down a rush and gas a defensive linemen attack his pins. Jimmy Kennedy has resurrected his career in Minnesota…He is a skilled hard working linemen who gives the Vikings quality snaps. Willie Colon and Ray Edwards is a matchup the Steelers must win…It’s a matchup that concerns me…Edwards is the type of player who gives Colon fits…Long lanky semi athletic…Colon must keep his game simple and rely on his technique. Brian Robison is a wave rusher the Vikings bring off the bench…He attacks the edge with speed…His game is real basic. If the Steelers manage to get the Williams boys blocked in the run game I have faith in the Steelers tight ends to handle the Vikings backers in the run game. I would not be surprised if the Steelers hit some runs against the Vikings.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
by steelguy99 on Oct 23, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After asking, I noticed the links in the main body of this post to precisely the threads I need to get more answers to that question.
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s safe to say we’re concerned, but also a little hopeful. Our line has been doing much better than last year, but they’re far from an elite group. They could go either way.
What makes it all work is Ben’s ability to dodge, fake, and keep his eyes downfield. He simply doesn’t mind being sacked. You might get to him, but, even if you do, you can’t get to him.
by Varmint on Oct 23, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay Last week 4th quarter was bullshit.
Mainly because Karl Paymah. Wtf, that guy always knew where the ball was but just choked. But since he is more than likely going to be deactivated for the next game, our rookie qb, Allen can cut some of those plays out Paymah allowed!
As The Play Snaps, One Dream, One Team, One Head Coach will be on top! Will It Be The Vikings?
by UnBannedVikingholic on Oct 23, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
single points of failure...
If AP or Favre get hurt (ever….) the Vikes are done….great combo RIGHT NOW, however, god help ‘em if either gets hurt. They aren’t THAT well-rounded.
GO STEELERS!!!!
by Dabombdiggity on Oct 23, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True of any team
I’d hate to see what would happen if Big Ben missed more than a game or two. And we’ve already seen what happens when Polamalu is out.
by Steelin on Oct 23, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Chester Taylor is fully capable of stepping in and performing at a high level.
He had a 1200 yard season before AP came into the fray, and he had been a backup to Jamal Lewis before that. 30 years old, with plenty of tread left on the tires. Not to mention the fact that he is a better all around back, with great hands and excellent blocking abilities.
He won’t break as many 40+ yarders, but he also won’t have as many negative yards on carries either. AP’s yardage is usually famine, famine, feast. Wheras Taylor is more of a consistent, 5 yards per carry kind of guy.
Now, if Favre goes down, that is a whole ’nother story.
Tjack is hit or miss. He has all the physical skills to play the game, and sometimes looks like he might be the answer. But he is not consistent and is not nearly the passer Favre is.
If Favre goes down, I don’t think our playoff hopes are dashed because we made it there last year with Tjack. But our Super Bowl hopes likely go down the tube due to his inexperience.
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boils down to coaching
In the end, playcalling will win this game. May be a close game, but the Stillers will take it.
by Dabombdiggity on Oct 23, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good to know
Now that I don’t have to worry about the game, I can spend my Sunday afternoon carving pumpkins.
by pghnorthside on Oct 23, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought that was a typo, but I guess it is local slang.
by Bjorno on Oct 24, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
streaks
You mentioned the 8-game Vikings winning streak. What kind of winning streak were the Vikings carrying the last time they faced the Steelers? We were on a little streak of our own. Jus’ saying. I thought this would be an easy media point this week, but I haven’t seen it yet.
by buddytoledo on Oct 23, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For God's sake please please please please...
… beat the damn Vikings. I can’t take those fair-weather, helga-wig wearing, frontrunner fans for much longer.
And put Favre on his self-important ass. I’m not rooting for anyone to get hurt or anything, but let’s just say I wouldn’t be upset if a little karma came back Favre’s way.
Go Steelers!
Regards,
A Packer Fan
Personally, I don't give a crap about Brett Favre.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 23, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude, don’t give me that “fairweather” nonsense.
EVERY team has bandwagon fans, Packers included. Those same fans are usually the ones that own a Yankees jersey. They are not real fans and should not even be included in a conversation.
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And did I say all Viking fans were fair weather? Nope.
But if you don’t want that said about Viking fans, then you should have sold out your stadium in the lean years, instead of just in the good ones.
Personally, I don't give a crap about Brett Favre.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 24, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if karma is real
Rodgers will end up as a radio personality because of a career ending injury. You sure seem to give a crap.
by Salty on Oct 23, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are right.
Wishing bad Karma upon someone returns it three-fold upon the wisher.
by Bjorno on Oct 23, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which would be fair if Rodgers was the one doing the wishing.
The only emotion I have about Favre is that I’m tired of hearing his name.
Personally, I don't give a crap about Brett Favre.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 24, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you want to redefine karma
You’re a BSer. You don’t want to hear his name but you’ve got your crying about him in your signature.
by Salty on Oct 24, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thought you were at least semi objective at the norseman, now to find out you’re just a jealous troll.
by dsludo on Oct 23, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what?
I mind my manners on the Norseman, because it’s your house. When I’m elsewhere, I’ll talk how I like.
Personally, I don't give a crap about Brett Favre.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 24, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes you mind your manners, I'll give you that
but that just makes you a jealous troll in disguise. Just makes your comments totally irrelevent in my eyes.
by dsludo on Oct 25, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus putting a tag line that “you don’t give a crap about BF”. tells everyone that you do give a crap about BF. Which is evident that you always talk about him.
by dsludo on Oct 23, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, because once is always.
And when I’m involved in conversations on the Norseman, Favre is all that ever gets discussed well before I’m there.
Personally, I don't give a crap about Brett Favre.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 24, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, then there is someone who made a fanpost with all the crying and propaganda from Teddy. Contact SBN to deal with the imposter!
by Salty on Oct 24, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salty, I'm getting worried about you.
If you’re this angry all the time, you’re going to stroke out, dude. Learn to relax a bit.
And with that, I’ll vacate the premises and let the Steeler fans have their site without having to read Packers and Viking fans fighting over a piece of gristle.
Night all!
:)
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 25, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like you may give a crap about Favre after all.
Hmmm, would one call that a schism?
by stratoscaster on Oct 24, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooof....
Look what happens behind steel curtains….REAL beliefs come out….
LOL I hope you are disappointed Ted…If not our wrath will come out the week after…
Are you SURE you want the Steelers to beat the Vikings??
SKOL!
I would rather be IN the Arena than watching from the stands...That is my life!
* Read Teddy Roosevelt's "Man in the Arena" if you need further explanation...
by vikingfanfrom afar on Oct 24, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure.
Thanks for asking.
Personally, I don't give a crap about Brett Favre.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 24, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the Packers/Vikings hate
It’s like watching two dogs fight for an old scraggly piece of gristle
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Oct 24, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
crap please add
“listen to them argue about Favre.” Forgot that part.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Oct 24, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steeler Quote
TO: Vikings Fan base
FR: Steeler Nation
RE: Vikings Identity
If you (Vikings) are trying hard to be someone (Steelers), then who will be you (vikings).
Hey Vikes, forget about the history, and we will see who will win. When you lose the steelerNation do not want any excuses on the How, Why and etc, Just take the pill like purple daday said and stfu. Steeler Domination is too much for a viking creation. Just the thought of playing the Black/Gold sent shivers to the vikings as a whole.
GO STEELERS
by pistonsteelers on Oct 25, 2009 6:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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