Pregame Zone Blitz: Vikings at Steelers
It's a personal grudge-match for PZB; Steelers vs. the hometown Vikings. Far too many bets riding on this game, and perhaps it's because these are the two teams PZB hears about the most often, but it looks like two mirrored teams will be squaring off at Heinz Field. Both teams can make arguments supporting them having the best three-deep receiving corps in the league. Both have dominant edge pass rushers. Both have highly successful quarterbacks with reputations to gut out wins late. All signs point to this being a close one. Maybe it comes down to the kickers. At the very least, we know our kicker looks for fights as opposed to backing away from them.
Here's what our opponents are saying.
Opponent Web Sites/Forums
Gonzo with the Daily Norseman will be "severely disappointed" if he sees CB Karl Paymah in anything short of a special teams capacity.
Not to worry, it looks like Benny Sapp will get the starting nod for the injured Antoine Winfield.
PZB pities you if you look like Brad Childress, but at least you could win Vikings/Lions tickets.
Anthony21 of the Daily Norseman says Minnesotans can pony up the cash to build the Vikings a new stadium.
It's a good time to remember former Vikings coach Jerry Burns, and his submission for Greatest Post-Game Rant of All Time.
I'm not sure if Ericj69 from the Daily Norseman understands that fan support is not the bottom line for a team moving. It's about money, and Vikings owner Zygi Wilf wants a new stadium. Unless the people of Minnesota vote to build him one, he's moving the team.
Last Game
"This is the best I've ever seen him play." - Steelers tight end Heath Miller on Ben Roethlisberger
It's cliché to suggest Roethlisberger is punishing Cleveland for not drafting him when they had the sixth overall pick in the 2004 draft.
It's about close to a reality as it gets, though.
Roethlisberger put on an individual clinic Sunday, throwing for 417 yards and two touchdowns in Pittsburgh's 27-14 victory, that was way more lopsided than the score indicates. If it wasn't for a bizarre sequence in the third quarter that saw five turnovers in 12 plays between the two teams, Pittsburgh could have had 600 yards of offense.
Cleveland dropped eight back into coverage at times, and Roethlisberger completed passes. Cleveland rushed eight guys at times, and Roethlisberger completed passes. Cleveland threw foreign objects and rosin into Roethlisberger's eyes, and yes, he still completed passes. Well, he would have if they did that.
While PBZ doesn't want to try to create an impression that doesn't exist, that Browns defense isn't as bad as Pittsburgh's 543 yards indicates. In stretches, they looked like a physical, cohesive unit. It was as if parts of their team forgot Eric Mangini was their coach, or their Prozac kicked in or something.
Opponent Spotlight: WR Sidney Rice
"I wasn't expecting the ball because it was a run play." - Vikings WR Sidney Rice, on the playcall before a 63-yard reception against Baltimore in Week 6.
Third-year receivers are commonly (cliché?) seen as players who are finding their stride. Ironically, the stride of Sidney Rice is what has made him a sleeper high-end wide receiver in the NFC.
He may not have found his mental stride in his first two seasons in Minnesota, but his incredible physical ability is helping make up for that.
And when he gets both working for him? Look out.
That process may be accelerated with the addition of a quarterback not known for convention. Brett Favre may in fact be the perfect passer for Rice. This was illustrated by a 63-yard completion that blew the game open for Minnesota in Week 6, en route to a 33-31 victory.
Rice thought it was a run play. Maybe if he knew Favre intended to throw the ball, he would have been able to earn the extra eight yards he left on the field before the end zone.
He's just one component to a lethal array of weapons at Favre's disposal. It doesn't appear rookie Percy Harvin will play (shoulder), Bernard Berrian is adjusting to Favre more each game. TE Visanthe Shiancoe leads the team in touchdowns with five. Rice, though, wasn't expected to be leading the team in receptions (23) and yards (409) after six games.
Rice's size and quickness off the line make Favre drool, and as guaranteed as pregame close-up shots of Ben Roethlisberger and Jared Allen, Rice will run a slant or a quick post, Farve will hit him in stride. While it's not guaranteed, Rice has a decent chance to take any of those passes to the house. He's been doing it all season.
Much like Roethlisberger is doing for the Steelers, Favre is using all his receivers, but Rice is emerging as their main weapon, and Pittsburgh's ability to slow him down will be instrumental in its success in Week 7.
Steelers Spotlight: QB Ben Roethlisberger
"It is a mark of how good Ben Roethlisberger is that he threw for 417 yards, with two touchdowns, and no one noticed. It's becoming routine." - Peter King, Sports Illustrated
Minnesota's secondary is in dire straits. With Pro Bowl CB Antoine Winfield wearing a walking boot to protect his sprained foot, the Vikings have several unappealing options in case he can't play. One, Minnesota can move nickel back Benny Sapp to the LCB position, which will put special teams guru Karl Paymah, who curiously chose to let Ravens WR Mark Clayton to his inside while he was defending the sideline, giving up a 32-yard touchdown last week, to the nickel. Or, they could use rookie (and yet to achieve activated status) Asher Allen at the nickel spot.
Ya think Roethlisberger, fresh off a 417-yard display against the secondary-weak Browns, isn't licking his chops over the thought of any of those match-ups?
Roethlisberger has a favorable match-up against the Vikings defense, especially considering his elusiveness and ability to buy time in the pocket. The Vikings have had difficulties in their deep secondary, which has caused some big games for opposing quarterbacks and tight ends. Roethlisberger can utilize his multi-faceted receiving corps and TE Heath Miller for big gains, provided his head remains attached to his neck after the constant pressure he'll feel from DE Jared Allen.
Don't ask me, though, let's go to the experts. If you want to get some analysis from a kid with a bad moustache, foul mouth, massive Pittsburgh accent and ADHD, he's your guy.
Even better, it gets followed up by the kid from Two and a Half Men:
I See You
I see you, Steelers wide receivers. I see you because you're trying so hard not to be seen by your opponents, and it's working. Don't think the fact Hines Ward now leads the NFL in receiving yards has escaped our attention. Only Browns Defensive Coordinator/Allman Bros. Roadie Rob Ryan forgets about Hines Ward, hence the reason, Hines, you dialed his defense up for 159 yards and a touchdown.
But what about Santonio Holmes? Leading the NFL in first down percentage (min. 2 catches per game, are we clear on that this time?), and 8th in the NFL in receiving yards (438). ‘Tone has 28 grabs, 26 of them have gone for first downs, and he's averaging 15.6 yards per catch.
Then Mr. Mike Wallace...Coach Tomlin is right, the game's not too big for you. I haven't heard many descriptions that are as fitting for a player as that is for you. You were drafted due to your speed, but it's your versatility that's going to land you on the All-Rookie Team. You're running sharp routes, catching passes underneath and over the top, but more than anything else, you're playing the game without a sense of fear. How many Browns did it take to get you out of bounds on that reverse in the third quarter? Two Browns got credit with a tackle on that play, but one more step, and you would have scored the most inspiring touchdown of the season.
It wouldn't surprise us at all to see ‘Tone grabbing eight passes for a buck 59, Ward hauling in five catches for five first downs and Wallace blocking as if his contract depended on it.
Put simply, the three of you are forming into the quietest but best all-around receiving group in the game. PZB can't see one of you without seeing the other two.
Key Stats
- Pittsburgh's 543 yards against Cleveland was their biggest offensive game in 14 years.
- Combined record of Vikings road opponents this year: 1-16.
- Minnesota is 6-9 since 2007 when Adrian Peterson rushes for less than 100 yards.
- The Steelers haven't allowed a 100-yard rusher in their last 24 games.
- QB Brett Favre has completed 75 percent (63-for-84) in the Vikings last three games (3-0).
Quick Hitters
WTF?: I didn't watch the replay, but how did former Steelers WR Nate Washington manage to lose 22 yards on one reception? Oh wait, I know, because he left the defending champions for the Terrible Towel-jinxed Titans. Tennessee has lost seven straight since proudly declaring themselves Pittsburgh's superior, including a 59-rip dismantling at the hands of New England in Week 6. The wheels have officially come off that bus. Quick! Get off their bandwagon!
Tempting: Having direct access to Chad Ochocinco? Like, we can call him a tool 24 hours a day? That may just be too much fun to be permitted. If we really had no life, a group of Steelers fans could get together and just spam the hell out of him. While I'm sure Jordan Palmer and his buddies have years of experience in such technological ventures, I wonder if their app could handle massive amounts of messages just saying things like "you suck," and "what a loser," or "Mamma call him Johnson, I call him Johnson."
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Good stuff man.
Didn’t know that about ‘Tone and the first down thing. Secondly, screw Peter King! We don’t need him blowing Ben like he’s done to “His Royal Bradyness”. Just keep your bromance in NE, man. We of the Nation already know what an elite QB we have, if everybody else finds out, they might start playing us like we can pass the ball, instead of like we still had Tommy Gun…
"My doctor said I'd quit getting nosebleeds if I just kept my finger out of there!"
-Ralph Wiggum
by SteelFever on Oct 24, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Put simply, the three of you are forming into the quietest but best all-around receiving group in the game. PZB can’t see one of you without seeing the other two.
It helps when two of the three are super bowl mvps
by Hansmoleman on Oct 24, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Recievers
I know that Miller isn’t a WR, but PLEASE include him whenever you speak of the current best set of recievers in the NFL. We are so lucky to have all of them don’t leave one out.
I wasn’t pleased because we didn’t win - Mike Tomlin (after the 2009 week 2 loss to Chicago).
by fanofsteel on Oct 24, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes right on!
And while we are at it we should remember Spaeth too. It really pisses me off when people forget Speath.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
The news this week was more about what Spaeth was pissing ON, right?
ba bum CHING!
by ncoolong on Oct 24, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
yeah, I was trying to make the joke but be subtle about it. I was just hoping no one would think I was serious about Spaeth being a serious part of our passing attack. He is really a blocking tight end.
Alternative phrasings might have been.
“Don’t forget about Spaeth, he get’s really pissy when people forget about him”
“Spaeth is good too, but he tends to piss away his opportunities”
On another note, I do think it was appropriate that Reed was blocking for Spaeth and not the other way around.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 24, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, sorry
I kinda stole your thunder there.
How about this? Reed blocked for Spaeth, and immediately accomplished two things Spaeth hasn’t; he looked aggressive and it took two guys to stop him.
by ncoolong on Oct 24, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
Well said. I think you may be on to something too. All we need to do is get Skippy liquored up before Kick-off’s and there is little doubt that he will try to hit somebody during return.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 25, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s cliché to suggest Roethlisberger is punishing Cleveland for not drafting him when they had the sixth overall pick in the 2004 draft.
How can you blame the Browns? They picked up Kellen Winslow a guy who would go on to become a leader (or a soldier or something) and the cornerstone of their franchise (for a couple of years, until he fled town.)
It could always be worse. They could have been the Lions and picked up Roy Williams.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 24, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
That draft really did not work out well for a lot of teams that aren’t the Steelers…
by ncoolong on Oct 24, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, true
Apart from Ben and Max Starks we kind of bombed that draft too, but I guess you can’t argue with your starting Left Tackle and your all-star QB coming in the same draft, even if does include Bo Lacy and Ricardo Sanchez Colclough.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 24, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stopped listening
to the guy when he said Farve was a better QB than Ben. Thats why I hate stats, it gives you a false sense if accomplishment. Lets not even discuss of the steelers had Adrain Peterson. I dare say it now, Ben could play for half the time farve has and will still be better than farve. Yea farve has the stats, but will anyone argue that he is better than, Marino, Young, Montana, Elway? You maybe can argue young, but you have so many other QB’s i’d take before farve. Right now, at this moment in each of their careers you mean you’d take farve over Ben? Get real ben is approaching Peyton’s Status when it comes to slinging the rock and soon you’ll have to include him with the top 2. I admit farve has 2 more touchdowns and 4 less picks, but the season isn’t over, and I’m far more confident that ben will be standing stronger at the end of the year.
by tannofsteel84 on Oct 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To be fair...
Favre is doing a great job, as is Roethlisberger. I think both QBs are playing at a very high level, and both will have good games Sunday.
I’ve never really been able to find a way to fairly compare two quarterbacks, even in the same era. They don’t compete against each other in any tangible way. But I agree, stats don’t provide all the evidence necessary to prove a player’s overall body of work. Last year, statistically, Roethlisberger had one of his worst seasons. However, his rating was other-worldly in the fourth quarter. He won a lot of games last season because of how strong he got when the game was on the line. That differs greatly from the season that, say, Drew Brees had. In the end, Ben won a lot more games because he made plays when it counted, and he kept his team in it the whole time.
Favre’s not a whole lot different from that. Not a great game against San Francisco, but made a huge play at the end of it when his team needed him to.
by ncoolong on Oct 24, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Poast
Gets me fired up for tomorrow. I’ll be enjoying this one.
As far as the whole team vs team debating goes:
Favre seems to have pulled his head just slightly out of his ass enough to play well this year. And on top of that, they got a great run game. But thats it. I mean they have very little to write home about in the way of receivers where we are tops in the league.
But their Defense is a shell of its former self, and ours is getting it together with Troy back.
Their D gave up the game last week, only to be bailed out by the baltimore kicker, so hopefully they are as susceptible as we’ve been seeing.
by Mechem on Oct 24, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Like you said, Favre is “maybe crappy” and the Vikes have no receivers. The Vikes are less dangerous than the Chargers and we all know what happened there. The defense is a shell. This looks like a blowout of 30 or 40 points, no?
by Salty on Oct 24, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woah
Settle down silly steeler, You think you are beating the Vikings. No chance! The undefeated Vikings will come wielding victory axes and slaughter the silly steelers, in all aspects of the game. Jarred Allen will squish Ben like a cheeseburger under his foot. The only way to stop his domination is to cut off his mullet ala like Samson. Victory!!
"You thought you could beat my team, but yours decided to go have ice cream. Bow to my awesomeness" Brad Childress
by packerslayer on Oct 24, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm, hold on there, packerslayer
I think Salty is one of your fellow Viking fans. He’s not a well-known personality here, but he does seem to favor sarcasm. Here, he exaggerates Mechem’s statements, stretching them beyond original intent so they sound ridiculous.
That said, both teams are superb enough to exploit any weaknesses in their opponents. They each have the potential to blow another team out of the water. This game is an excellent test for both the Steelers and the Vikings.
Bill Beeelichick proved that in America it’s okay to cheat, as long as you cheat your way to the top. – Eric Cartman
by Alba on Oct 25, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahhh
how silly of me, I might not be the best blogger, but I’m pretty close. I was just busy grooming my mullet, and bloging at the same time. You know, multitasking
"You thought you could beat my team, but yours decided to go have ice cream. Bow to my awesomeness" Brad Childress
by packerslayer on Oct 25, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just trying to keep you from shooting yourself in the foot
or twisting your ankle.
Put down the lutefisk, you’re bloging all over the keyboard.
Bill Beeelichick proved that in America it’s okay to cheat, as long as you cheat your way to the top. – Eric Cartman
by Alba on Oct 25, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just hope he isn’t actually using a chainsaw.
by Salty on Oct 25, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wielding victory axes...
There’s no doubt I’m using that line again sometime. Thank you!
by ncoolong on Oct 25, 2009 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy I guess this will be a blowout Steelers win then, Vikings suck so much in most areas
LOL. I’m for the Vikes here, but I prefer to be honest and realistic in my assessments, so I’m not reduced to mere swearing when things don’t go my way. I’ve trckoned since the preseason that for the Vikings this game would mark the midpoint of the toughest three game stretch for Vikings. and the midpoint would be the peak as well. In other words, if we’re gonna lose a game (as we almost surely will, at least one time), this game is as likely as any ohter on the schedule to be it.
So even I think you have rason to have confidence. But still … you make it sound like its so lopsided, I think I’ll now take extra s[special delight in seeing you eat crow if the Vikes do pull this one out! ;) LOL
by puddnhead on Oct 25, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Favre may in fact be the perfect passer for Rice. This was illustrated by a 63-yard completion that blew the game open for Minnesota in Week 6, en route to a 33-31 victory.
Rice thought it was a run play. Maybe if he knew Favre intended to throw the ball, he would have been able to earn the extra eight yards he left on the field before the end zone.
Ummm ,,, actually, this was not a play that “blew the game open.” It had been blown open, and the Ravens had closed the gap already.
This completion actually occurred with three minutes left, and the Vikings >>>behind<<<.
Second, Rice did not think this was a run play NOT AT ALL. It was designed as a deep ball to go to Rice the whole way, in fact it was key to the play that Rice go full burn downfield from the snap in order to beat coverage, they were even planning it on the sidelines for the next time Favre saw that coverage. So tht comment that comment you make thta “If Rice knew maybe he could get 8 yards” makes no sense at all (by the way, it was 17 yards anyway, not 8). NFL Network did an “anatomy of a play” on it, if you are genuinely interested in learning the areal circumstances:
This is kinda symptomatic of a lot of facts you got wrong about Vikings in this post …
This is symptomi
by puddnhead on Oct 25, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You sure about that?
http://www.twincities.com/ci_13591426
Baltimore had just scored a touchdown to cut Minnesota’s lead to 17-10. Then Rice struck. He lined up on the right side of Favre and caught a slant working against cornerback Fabian Washington.
“I wasn’t expecting the ball because it was a run play,” Rice said. “I didn’t think (Favre) had changed it, but when I saw the safety pass my face, I just kind of looked in and he let the ball go. Hit me right in the chest, and I was able to dodge a couple defenders and get right down the sideline.”
Hmmm…since Rice himself was the one who said it, I think I’ll believe him. Thanks though! And remember, there’s plenty of room on the Steelers bandwagon when your team moves to Los Angeles!
by ncoolong on Oct 25, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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