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Steelers Defense Delivers Knockout Punch In 4th Quarter, Knock Vikings From The Ranks Of The Undefeated

Wow, the Pittsburgh Steelers find a way to win for the fourth consecutive week. The defense hadn't really won a ballgame for the Steelers this year, and on Sunday they again had their struggles defending the pass. But for the first time all season really, Dick LeBeau's defense came up with multiple game-changing plays that dictated the outcome. Here's some preliminary thoughts about the 27-17 victory.

* There are still some troubling issues with the Steelers defense, but the good news is that they're starting to make some of the big plays that they weren't making to start the year. Through the first five games of the season, the Steelers had forced just 4 turnovers. The past two weeks, Pittsburgh's defense has  6 takeaways. The two turnovers Dick LeBeau's defense created today were not just run of the mill takeaways either - both were returned for touchdowns. And both came in the 4th quarter with the Vikings on the march. LaMarr Woodley got things started by taking a Brett Favre fumble 77 yards for a score. Keyaron Fox then intercepted a muffed catch by Chester Taylor and took it the other way for a game-clinching 82 yard score. Credit to the D for stepping up and making a play when their backs were against the wall, but color me still concerned about how much this defense continues to bend in the passing game. It didn't break today but it most likely will unless they can make things much, much tougher for those opposing quarterbacks who are disciplined, experienced and accurate enough to dink and dunk their way down the field.

* This defense is going to continue to need big plays like that if they hope to repeat as AFC North champions. The defense is still struggling against the pass otherwise. Brett Favre threw for 334 yards and the Vikings converted a very healthy 9-of-18 on 3rd down. Minnesota had three drives of 13 plays or more which helped them win the time of possession battle by almost 14 minutes.

* Wacky stat of the game #1 - Total plays:  Minnesota 78, Pittsburgh 49.

* Wacky stat of the game #2 - Minnesota 1-5 TD efficiency in the red zone; Pittsburgh 0-3.

* Wacky stat of the game #3 - Minnesota 16 first downs through the air; Pittsburgh 14 total first downs.

Wgay_medium* William Gay had 8 tackles on Sunday, increasing his season total to 30. Only James Farrior, Ryan Clark and James Harrison have more tackles. In case you were wondering, I don't necessarily think this is a good thing. I tip my hat to Gay for playing hard and for making some nice plays in each of the Steelers first seven games, but there's no doubt in my mind that he's the weak link not only in the team's secondary, but the entire defense as well. Teams are going right at Gay most weeks, hence the high tackle totals. And they're definitely making him pay when he gives his man too big a cushion. I don't have the exact total on me, but there were at least four or five plays where Favre quickly slung the ball out to the wide receiver that Gay was defending. Again, I'm not disgusted with the way he's playing or anything. It's just he's not nearly as physical as the player he is replacing, Bryant McFadden. I said I was worried about his play before the start of the season more than anything else with this team. That sentiment has not changed for me one bit.

* I still miss Anthony Madison on special teams. The Steelers surrendered yet another kickoff return on Sunday. There were plenty of people responsible for Percy Harvin breaking off the 88 yard kickoff return, but perhaps none more than Jeff Reed. Reed not only didn't force Harvin back to the middle of the field - which is definitely rule #1 - but he also just gave his best matador impersonation by meekly flailing at Harvin as he ran by him. Bad, bad stuff from Reed.

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* To his credit, Reed had a nice day kicking the ball. Both of his field goal attempts were relative 'chip shots' (39 and 27 yards), but his kicks looked crisper and an improvement over how he had been kicking the ball earlier in the year, even on his made attempts.

* A tough day for the Steelers offense. Pittsburgh mustered just 259 total yards, by far their lowest output of the season. However, the Steelers did average 5.3 yards per play, not a shabby number. The problem was settling for two field goals in the red zone and a Rashard Mendenhall fumble inside the 5 yard line. That's a lot of points left on the board. Credit the Vikings defense though - they took Hines Ward out of the game for the most part, bottled up the run for much of the afternoon, and did a superior job of not letting Big Ben break free from would-be sacks.

* Anybody else notice how many deflections the Vikings had at the line of scrimmage? I'm not sure of the number but it seemed like there were at least three or four balls batted down by Vikings defensive linemen. That rarely happens with the 6'5" Ben Roethlisberger. A job well done by them.

* I'd like to break down the play with pictures in the near future since we have a couple of weeks before the next game, but Big Ben's touchdown strike to Mike Wallace at the end of the 1st half was gorgeous. The pass was thrown with plenty of zip, but it also had just the right trajectory to fall over the Vikings first line of defense in the secondary and down in to Wallace's breadbasket before the last line of defense could get to #17. A truly perfect throw by Big Ben.

* Not to sound overly negative, but I haven't been that impressed by Daniel Sepulveda. He's been fine and a decided upgrade over what the team was getting from the punting game last year in his absence. But he's no Mike Scifres or Shane Lechler. I've still yet to see him really boom or place a punt that made me say 'wow'.

* Bet you didn't know that it was the first time in NFL history that there were 3 touchdown returns of at least 75 yards during the 4th quarter of a game. It was awesome watching the Steelers defense block for both Woodley and Fox on their respective runbacks. Percy Harvin on the other hand didn't need much help on his touchdown.


Holmesflex_medium* I have been extremely impressed by the way Santonio Holmes has been playing during the Steelers four game winning streak. Santonio only had 2 receptions for 59 yards, but he continues to impress me in the running game and blocking down field for his fellow WRs after the catch. Hines has clearly rubbed off on him, and I'd imagine that both he and Hines are having the same effect on rookie Mike Wallace. It was unfortunate that Holmes didn't get his TD reception in the 1st quarter when Heath Miller was called for pass interference.

* Speaking of Mike Wallace - the rookie out of Ole Miss continues to earn the confidence and trust of his teammates and coaches. Wallace had 3 catches for 79 yards and a TD. Kevin Colbert and his army of scouts definitely found a keeper in #17. He's going to be a treat to watch over the years.

* My phrase for Mewelde Moore after we signed during the 2008 free agency period - 'one mans trash is another man's treasure'. Who would you rather have if you were Minnesota? A 30 year old Chester Taylor taking up nearly $4 million in cap room or a 27 year old Mewelde Moore who takes up less less than half the cap space that Taylor does. Moore is reliable and even keeled with his performance. Taylor is more up and down. It wasn't the easiest catch in the world, but on the play where Keyaron Fox returned the interception for a touchdown, the ball hit Taylor's hands. He's got to make that play.  Anyway, I'm just glad we have Moore on our side.

* Congratulations to David Johnson. The 7th round tight end out of Arkansas State caught his first career pass late in the 1st quarter. Good stuff David!

* I'll wrap this up for now, but a job well done by the Steelers defense against Adrian Peterson. AP had just 69 yards on 18 carries and was largely unable to do much against the stout Steelers rush defense. Peterson still had some nice runs and of course that beastly play in the passing game against William Gay, but you have to be impressed with the Steelers ability to contain him without Aaron Smith for the entire game and Lawrence Timmons for part of it. Kudos to guys like Nick Eason, Travis Kirschke, Ziggy Hood and Keyaron Fox for filling in admirably.

* Now it's Pittsburgh's turn for their BYE Week before heading to Denver to take on the Denver Broncos. I think it's a great time for the BYE. The team has lots to feel good about but plenty to work on. A little rest to heal up some aching bodies and then it's time for the second half of the season and hopefully another run at securing an AFC North crown and potentially even a 1st round BYE in this year's playoffs.

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3rd Down

Steelers aren’t good right now on 3rd Down defense.

Defensively: Rated 25th on 3rd Down and are 29th in NFL is 3rd Attempts with 97 -

They have faced double digit 3rd Attempts in every game, If this doesn’t improve they will struggle, because of the pressure it puts on the Offense to score with limited possessions and a old defense will get worn down

by Big Swa on Oct 26, 2009 3:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

After today I understand why...

Coach Tomlin won’t allow his team to ride the emotional roller coaster. This team has become a crystal clear reflection of their head coach. This is a nice performance going into the bye. I’m convinced that Jeff Reed should be arrested for attemped tackling. What a game though! I saw the birth of a potentially beautiful thing when Mr. Johnson caught his 1st pass today. He’s gonna add a whole new dimension to our play action attack. The Vikings came to play today. Even with Max neutralizing Jared Allen (I can’t believe I just typed that!) and Winfield watching from the sidelines, their D managed to keep the leading receiver in the NFL to 1 catch for 3 yards and held a QB accustomed to completing 75% of his passes to a 53% completion rate. Willie Gay is gonna be a part of Adrian Peterson’s highlight reel from this day forward. He’s officially a charter member of the anuls of NFL Films history. The same guy who ironically knocked out The Tank in preseason. I still love the fight in him. He knew a legend was picking on him and he’s gonna learn from this game and come back stronger in the future. If Willie Gay is the hypothetical weak link, I’m convinced that we have a pretty strong chain. K. Fox came in for Timmons and the standard was the standard if you will (back to back Tomlinisms FTW! Haha) I can’t wait for the press conference to see what the injury report is. The bye seems to come right on time once again. This was a nice statement game to go into the bye with. The stairway to 7 continues!

by Mr 412 on Oct 26, 2009 4:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on Gay

Yeah he got run right over into the Canton highlight reel if he gets that far.

by Mechem on Oct 26, 2009 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Troy?

Although I agree with your assessment of Willie Gay, I thought Polamalu looked weak today. He missed way too many tackles, looked a bit late when his old self would have been flying in and outside of his nice pass breakup, he wasn’t much of a factor today. I have a feeling he came back too early and that it will cost us dearly down the stretch… Hopefully the bye week will give him time to get better…

by Steelfrog on Oct 26, 2009 4:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He couldnt cut well

I felt like his straightforward closing speed was fine, but he did get beat on a few cuts.

I think he should have passed on last week also but hindsight is always 20/20…

He’ll be fine for the Broncos that much is for sure. Its a monday night so he gets an extra day too.

by Mechem on Oct 26, 2009 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Yes, Polomalu wasn’t up to full speed.

But in the 4th quarter, with AP bouncing to the outside and heading for the sidelines, Troy came over from the other side of the field and pushed him out of bounds.

I am telling you that a couple of weeks ago, with Troy on the sidelines, AP goes all the way on that play.

How about this stat: With Troy, Pittsburgh is 3-0. Without Troy, they are 1-2…

That is no coincidence…

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 26, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

W/out Troy

The DB’s looked great the front 7 looked less so.
With Troy the LB’s are up helping the front 3 and Troy is helping the DB’s. Now since he’s not 100% the DB’s don’t look as good as they will in a few weeks but Troy is the cog that turns the D wheel in Pittsburgh.

by SNW on Oct 26, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d agree that Troy wasn’t at his best yesterday, but he appeared to be running much more fluidly than last week.

by pghnorthside on Oct 26, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

troy made a great play

in the running game when the vikes were at the 1 yard line in the 3rd qtr. it was the first down play when they gave the ball to adrian peterson. polamalu got through the line before anyone and blew up the blocking fullback, taking him out of the picture, allowing farrior and fox (i think) to handle ap for no gain. if you go back and take a look you’ll see it was an incredible play by 43. the stupid announcers didn’t really say anything about it.

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by agentorange on Oct 27, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re-watched that play today

simply awesome – troy’s not a man to let “350 lb. linemen” or “the laws of physics” keep him from going where he wants to…

by acrollet on Oct 27, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good poast and thoughtages.

I personally found this game to be the best matchup we’ve had in a while as far as overall competition and effort. Very enjoyable to watch.

I think Sepulveda has done just fine, and after watching the Vikings punter shank that one for 19 yards, made me appreciate his work. Having the Vikes guy (klewe or something?) pull a Mitch Berger made me smile and mentally pat Robo-Punter on the back.

Troy looked fine out there. Showed good closing speed, I’d put him at 90%

by Mechem on Oct 26, 2009 4:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bronco's signed Berger...

for his punting?

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Oct 26, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

They signed him because they have an excess supply of Snickers bars.

by Bjorno on Oct 26, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

“Not to sound overly negative, but I haven’t been that impressed by Daniel Sepulveda. He’s been fine and a decided upgrade over what the team was getting from the punting game last year in his absence. But he’s no Mike Scifres or Shane Lechler.”

I too don’t want to just focus on the negative in an otherwise well-written post, but I have to say, wejust can’t have EVERYTHING in the world. While Sepulveda has not shown himself to be a Scifres or a Lechler, two of the best puners in the NFL in recent memory, he still has time. (I didn’t check, but I’d be interested to see what those two did in their first two years).

There’s 32 teams in the NFL, 9 in the CFL, and two punters of Lechler & Scifres caliber. Let’s not be TOO greedy. :) Our punter is still growing.

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by __.58.__ on Oct 27, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

William Gay

Blitz, I still think you’re too quick to paint William Gay as the weak link. I knew as soon as I saw that play with AP running over him that you’d highlight that as an example of how he’s a lesser player than McFadden. Are you that convinced that the result wouldn’t have been the same if it was B-Mac covering there? Also, according to NFL.com, Ike Taylor has only one fewer tackle so far this season and two fewer solo tackles. Maybe I’m reading more into it than what you intend, but I think that the concern on the defensive side should be spread around a little more. I thought Gay was pretty solid in most cases. What also sticks out to me is his good tackles on those quick passes out to the WR when he gives a big cushion. And, we know that the reason that he gives that cushion is because of the scheme, not because of his lack of skill. Steelers DBs have been playing that technique certainly since I’ve really started following BTSC consistently. I remember many times people complaining about Ike giving such a large cushion.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 7:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed, I don't know that the stats tell the story

I noticed him making some solid plays this game, and didn’t ever notice him giving up anything terrible. Will have to go back and re-watch to be sure, though.

by acrollet on Oct 26, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is solid but...

He is not spectacular. I agree with Blitz. He gives a very big cushion and is usually giving up 6 yard clips on those quick outs — which keeps them ahead of down and distance.

What is the guy’s speed? Is he giving the cushion because he is slow or something?

And, yes, they picked on him, and he gave up some big plays.

On the Browns, he would be fine. But on this defense, he stands as the weak link…

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 26, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes he give up 6 yards with a cushion, but so does Ike sometimes. So did Deshea and B-Mac sometimes last year. I also remember at least once yesterday (I’m pretty sure it was twice) where he gave the cushion and then tackled the WR at or behind the line of scrimmage.

Every DB in the league gives up big plays sometimes. I think you can watch any DB and find the plays where the WR he covers made a big gain and blame him for it. If he truly were the weak link on this defense, I am certain that Tomlin and Lebeau would make changes in the lineup. I haven’t even heard a hint that that is the case from their standpoint.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure

Just because Gay is a weak link doesn’t mean he is not the best guy we have. I will also say that sometimes young guys have to grow into the role.

But I think we took a step down there this year.

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 26, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Certainly, the pass defense is not as good this year as was last year. That doesn’t necessarily mean that Gay is a step down from McFadden (or at least not a significant step down).

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its a step down

But doesn’t mean it can’t be improved. Gay’s got plenty of talent around him to raise him to be a good CB. And I think he still plays well, just not up to the same standards we had last year.

Personally I’m fine with keeping him in and letting him work through the growing pains. He hasn’t given up any real daggers so far.

by Mechem on Oct 26, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steelers don't have anyone better to replace William Gay, so they're stuck with him

I agree with the other people’s comments regarding William Gay being the weak link on the Steelers Defense. The Steelers don’t have anyone on the roster that is better than Gay at cornerback except Ike Taylor who is the other starter. Deshea is old, Ratliff is suspect, the others are rookies with limited talent. This is why I think the Steelers should pick a 1st round cornerback in the next Draft. William Gay doesn’t make enough plays on 3rd down to stop the other team’s offense, he either allow several receptions for a first down, or miss a few tackles and let the players get the first downs. He was definitely picked on yesterday, he made some nice tackles but also missed a few that resulted in first downs, but what I really didn’t like about his play was when he blitzed and instead of going straight to the quarterback, he stuttered 7 yards before getting anywhere close to the quarterback when in fact no one was near him to block him. His stupid play resulted in a big play for the Vikings that continued a drive and ended up with a touchdown. Had he not stuttered unnecessarily he would have made at least a hit or a delay on Favre that could have affected the pass and stopped the Vikings’s big pass play on 3rd down. Ever since I saw that play, I paid special attention to William Gay’s play and that’s when I realize he’s not good enough, but unfortunately there’s no one on the team to take his job.

by waldoshot on Oct 26, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see more specific examples

He did bite on the pump fake on that play that you reference, but then you say that the rest of the game you saw that he wasn’t good enough. What specific plays can you point to? I’ve paid attention as much as I can during each game this year, and I haven’t seen Gay’s play significantly below that of Ike Taylor’s or McFadden’s last year. He hasn’t made splash plays, but I haven’t seen him get burned either. If I had seen more clear evidence of his being the weak link, I’d be more convinced. I just haven’t seen it yet, nor has anyone given clear evidence contrasting his efforts with Ike or B-Mac from last year.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Weakest Link"

When someone points to Gay as the weakest link, I can’t argue against it. Who else is weaker? Clark… Keisel… Timmons? So I guess “weakest link” is a label that fits.

That said, I think he gets a whole lot more scrutiny because he wears that label. Gay plays too far off. So does Taylor. Gay gets run over by AP. Taylor looked like he was out on his feet after Antonio Gates walked through him on the way to the endzone. Gay has X tackles. So does Taylor. It’s easy to say that Taylor lines up against the top receivers, but Ike is a veteran player and expectations for a vet should be higher.

I won’t say Gay is as good as Taylor, or that Taylor needs as much work as Gay. But we don’t nit-pick Taylor the way we do with Gay. I think that has more to do with William being labeled the weak player, than his actual skill. We’re 15th in terms of passing yards allowed and we want to blame someone for that. Gay is not only partly responsible, he’s a very easy scapegoat.

by Varmint on Oct 27, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great comment

That’s the best argument for him being the weak link I’ve seen. You’re right, I can’t point to another player being clearly the weak link. But, I do think he’s getting more blame than he deserves. That said, as others have pointed out, how weak can that link really be if the defense was ranked 3rd in the league coming in (8th after the game). That’s still a top ten defense.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 27, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

…but what I really didn’t like about his play was when he blitzed and instead of going straight to the quarterback, he stuttered 7 yards before getting anywhere close to the quarterback when in fact no one was near him to block him.

That stutter-step was a result of Gay seeing the FB or RB make a move for the flat. He was uncertain as to whether he should continue for the sack, or break off and guard against the check down.

Still not a great move on his part, but it had nothing to do with blockers.

by Varmint on Oct 27, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, let’s give him a little more credit. On the Browns, he’d be a superstar. ;)

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

And asking for a trade…

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 26, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For Cribbs?

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blitz

is right on about Gay. His run support is nice but we need him to defend the pass better. I don’t even mind him getting run over by AP. That puts him in company with alot of very good defenders in the NFL. Gay’s problem is one that Steeler corners have had over the years. He plays too far off the receiver and allows him to catch the ball. Playing ten yards off the line when it’s third and 6 does not make sense. That is where several of his solo tackles came from yesterday. I like his aggressiveness and I think it is early to get too down on him. I would expect him to be the weak link in our secondary because he has the least experience. The viking players remarked that we are the best defense they have faced. That’s a good sign for the rest of the year and maybe we are done giving games away in the 4th quarter.

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

POSTERIZED

That’s what they say about the guy underneath Micheal Jordan on one of his power slams.

Gay may be weak llink, who else on the defense gonna get that title. It it is Gay, that speaks to the strength of this defense. Too big a cushion, maybe. The Steelers bottom line is don’t give up the big play. I saw Gay make a couple real nice open field tackles on the edge at or behind the line of scrimmage. He plays smart, inside the defensive schemes, as is still one of the young guys. Be glad you have him.

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by euwolfie on Oct 26, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That bottom line

is what allows teams to move up and down the field in the 4th quarter and steal games from us

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe its LeBeau

Seems like we agree he is good young player with room for improvement.

You say this is same problem Steeler corners have had for years. Maybe that is what coach wants?

"More than 70 percent of putts left short do not go in."

by euwolfie on Oct 26, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But, doesn't Ike do the same thing?

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

He used to give up alot of yards doing that. He’s a much better corner than when he was at the same stage Gay is now. That’s why I have faith Gay is going to become a good corner for us. He’s a better tackler than Ike and undoubtedly has better hands (who doesn’t).

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Ike still does

The reason I bring that up, and other people have commented on this in past years, is that the cushion is part of the Lebeau system. For all that it’s called an attacking defense, it’s main purpose is to keep from giving up the big play, and then cause disruption through confusion.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the problem

I have with that philosophy is that good quarterbacks (Palmer, Cutler, Favre, Manning, Rivers etc…) are able to move their teams up and down the field at will. We can’t always rely on a big play at the goal line. Obviously overall it has worked for us since we won the SB last year and always have a top ranked defense, but it is raising my risk of stroke or heart attack in the 4th quarter of most games

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100% with that

I’m just saying that I think Gay’s playing in the system as he’s supposed, and he’s making solid plays. Not spectacular plays, but not weak plays worthy of being called the weak link. I also haven’t seen clear evidence that McFadden was/is a much better CB than Gay. As datruth said, Gay’s an above average CB, and I think McFadden is as well. His agent thinks he’s elite.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree about mcfadden. I was never overly impressed with him. Gay will be a better corner than Mcfadden. I have to disagree with whoever said Mcfadden is a better hitter. I think as long as they help him out this year and don’t expect him to cover top receivers, he will blossom into a pretty good corner.

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

it took Mcfadden longer to crack the lineup than it should have. He’s not exactly wowing them in AZ

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McFadden was excellent against the Giants and is a solid veteran who knows what to do. The Cardinals are improving on defense and a lot of that is because both CBs are solid in man coverage and they can bring more people into the box. Gay has been okay. He doesn’t get beat deep, he tackles well, he has shown he can be effective on corner blitzes. I still think his best position is as a nickel back where he can be asked to play tighter coverage on a third receiver. It doesn’t mean he has to be replaced at CB, but in nickel situations the inside receiver is often more dangerous than the outside WR. Townsend played pretty well vs. Minnesota and that’s a good sign going forward. Everyone’s job is that much easier with Troy back.

by steeler.lifer on Oct 27, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Problem with Gay

is that after getting dogged a couple of times they slide Troy to his side of the field. That takes away a lot of flexibility on the defense, especially with Troy running at 70%.

by 13thieves on Oct 26, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not so sure the same thing wouldn't have happened with Troy as well.

The whole set up was perfect for A.P. to smah and roll just about ANYONE who plays in the NFL. Dude is a beast, give him credit. Gay isn’t the first, and won’t be the last. Just the most recent.

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by __.58.__ on Oct 27, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CBs

Gay got run over but he wasn’t beaten like Ike Taylor was. #18 is Farves favorite receiver yet Talor couldn’ cover him

by royhobbs9 on Oct 26, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Beaten by some awesome passes

Ike had good/great coverage on the majority of those passes, problem is he doesn’t play the ball well and against a reciever that does and QB that puts in a small window he got beat a couple of times, hats off to them. Ike’s a great cornder just not a pro bowler.

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by strivan21 on Oct 26, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh yeah

those were some great throws down the sideline. Lets not forget we were playing pretty much the best offense in football.

Ya’ll act like the browns or Lions threw up these things… Enjoy a win folks. Drink some more or something.

by Mechem on Oct 26, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Notes on the 27-17 Win
  • First, I would like to start by saying HUGE win. Congrats to the black and gold for getting the W by making plays when it mattered. Well done.
  • Ike Taylor has not looked as good the last few games as he did the beginning of the season. He was “lights out” the first few weeks really giving opposing WRs fits. The last few games he seemed beat like a drum to me. I wonder how much of this has to do with Polamalu not being 100%. However, the pass rush is getting back to what it was, so I thought that would make his job easier. If/when Polamalu is 100% and teams still beat us in the air, we might have to change up how much cushion we are giving to opposing WRs.
  • Keyaron Fox. Way to step up when we needed you after Timmons went down. You did get beat once in coverage, but who could complain after the huge interception TD? However, I hope the Timmons injury is not severe.
  • I could not agree more Blitz, this Bye could not have come at a more opportune time. We have several injuries and MUCH that needs to be worked on. Hopefully, Tomlin and LeBeau can fix the problems in the secondary.
  • Penalties. If I hear another Vikings fan whine about the tripping call I might punch an inanimate object.
  • I said it before, and I will say it again, I do not agree with pulling Mendenhall late in that game. He was absolutely punishing the Vikings D, about the only good thing we had going on offense all day. The fumble was a stupid move, yes, but keep in mind he is essentially a rookie and only has like 4 games with significant carries. With experience, ie fumbling because he left his feet for no reason yesterday, he will and is learning what not to do.
  • Special Teams…yuck. We are really bad on coverage, with or without holds. Reed that was the biggest puss attempt at a tackle I have seen in a long time. You are definitely building a resume on how not to get resigned next year.
  • BB was sloppy with the football for the second week in a row. He had 0 picks on Sunday, but could nearly have had 3 or 4. What happened to that accurate and smart passing from the beginning of the year?
  • If teams are going to shut out Ward…Holmes needs to step up more than this. Also, who the hell runs with the ball like that in the open field? Good god man, tuck the ball into your body. You probably caused at least 3 heart attacks in the Pittsburgh area.
  • Last but not least…apology to Mr. Wallace. In SteelerBuddha’s fanpost I voted that your production would decrease. I apologize for doubting your skillz.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I also agree that BB was sloppy with the football, but don’t agree with your assesment that this has been going on for some weeks. He put up 417 yds last week…
Anyway, I thought that the passes that got batted down where BB’s fault, one is a fluke, three or four is a trend…

The drop by Hines and some good tackling by the Vikes derailed the O’s momentum a bit, and, as you point out, Mendenhall and the Oline run-blocking where going pretty well… That is a very good sign of things that can come against some other less-stout defenses.

It all starts in the trenches.

by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Oct 26, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The amount of yards he put up has nothing to do with playing sloppy. There were a lot of passes in that game where I thought “wow, had this been a good defense that woulda been picked off” or “that definitely should have been picked off”. 53.7% completed passes is less than ideal, and all of those in-completions were not dropped passes.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Ben is a tremendous QB and having a great year, but I just wish he would get back to how smart he was being with the ball the first 5 games, compared to the last 2.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

vikings d-line

were jumping and swating more than an average amount. There were hands up in the air like it was a house party

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Oct 26, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

huge win

Overall, I’m very happy. With that defense and that running game, I fully expect Minny to be a legit team at season’s end. There weren’t too many style points to hand out in this one, but a win over a tough team is still a quality win. My thoughts:

- I’m not nearly so concerned about the pass defense. Keep in mind that Favre threw 51(!) passes yesterday. Anytime a QB throws that many times, he’s going to put up yards; in one of the quirks that make football fun, he’s probably also not going to win the game. It’s kind of like how those Big 12 teams put up 70 points on each other every week, and then get thrashed when they have to tangle with a stout defense in a bowl game.

- On a related note, Childress’ offensive playcalling continues to baffle me. He did the same thing against Philly in last year’s playoffs: why are you taking the ball out of Peterson’s hands in such a big game? As a Steeler fan I’m quite happy if an opponent wants to use the best RB in the game as a blocker and count on an aging QB to win it with his arm.

- I’m not a huge Brett Favre hater, but with all the fawning and hype surrounding the man it did warm my heart a little to see the other side of Brett emerge late in the game. By “the other side”, of course, I mean delivering late-game turnovers and killing his team’s chances at rallying.

- I saw Ben’s performance as a classic example of “take what the defense gives you”. No turnovers, that sweet Wallace TD pass, 26 attempts. Again, the Minny defense is tough and Ben wasn’t likely to have a huge passing day; I’m glad he didn’t try to force things too much.

- Special teams. Good God. You’ve got 15 days, guys. You need to start getting this figured out.

P is for Latrobe.

by holiday park on Oct 26, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ben

I have to say, I was a little miffed with Ben, yesterday. We got lucky his fumble went out of bounds. We got lucky that at least two of his throws were dropped by the defense. He threw over Ward then behind someone else (Wallace?). His accuracy improved as the game progressed, but one pretty pass to Wallace didn’t make me forget his earlier sins.

by Varmint on Oct 26, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben seemed to be pressing in the 2nd half after that first drive.

by pghnorthside on Oct 26, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Standard of Expectation Does Not Change...

Thus sayeth of Coach. Who’s buying what he’s selling?

Well, consider the defense played without Arron Smith, and – part of the game without his backup Travis Kirschke and Lawerence Timmons.

Timmons’ replacement, K-Fox, made the play that sealed the victory, and his comment to reporters in the locker room, as quoted by Ron Cook in the Post-Gazette, says it all…

“I hope I didn’t let anybody down,” Fox said. “Just let the standard be the standard.”

Mike Tomlin is a leader of men. Period.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Oct 26, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is awesome

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great quote

Love to see that humility from a guy who just sealed a win!

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

that’s nice

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Oct 26, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that brought a tear to my eye

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by agentorange on Oct 27, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vikings Fan Post

Here’s my 2 cents (or more):

1. Great game, Pittsburgh played well and deserved to win that game, the defense stepped up and made plays. I take nothing away from them at all, I won’t say luck was a factor or anything, it was a tough hardnosed game that the Steelers earned.

2. The Vikings also deserved to win that game, and should have, but bad calls are part of the game and you have to overcome them, even if they are calls that take points off the board, but I’ll point them out to you anyways from a Vikings’ fan perspective:

- The obvious big one, the tripping call on Jeff Dugan. He dove at a linebacker’s legs and when the LB jumped up he landed or got caught in the feet of Dugan’s. This is not a trip, it’s a terrible call, not even able to see how a ref could eff this up, he clearly dove at him.

- Delay of game against the defense. Wow, that’s fine if they want to call that, but how many players on the Steelers D start the play NOT in a 3 point stance and toe the line before the snap? I saw it all day, and the Steelers could have been called for it just as easily. So why didn’t they? Also, EJ was up on the line all day but they waited until the 4th quarter to start calling it? that’s a WTF in my mind…

You can’t control bad calls, but the vikings could control fumbles and interceptions, and that’s what lost the game. I said on here before the game that I wouldn’t be too dissappointed if we lost as we will still probably go 13-3, and I’m actually happy with the way the Vikings played. Going into pittsburgh and shutting down the #1 passing offense and somehow managing to drive down the field on the pitt D is very impressive to me, even after punting our first 4 drives. It shows we can compete with the best teams in this league and proves we’re definately a contender this year, and that’s all you can really ask for.

Good game!

by cdubs on Oct 26, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hate to tell you buddy, but you got a break on that delay of game call. Had they not made it Ward (I think it was Ward caught a pass over the middle past your secondary). It might have been 6 instead of just a five yard automatic first down. So it appears not all bad calls “went our way”.

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by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Vikings got away with the Heath Miller call, I don't know why the Steelers and the fans don't make such a big deal out of these calls against the team to make it even.

This is one of the reasons why the Steelers are the best, they’re classy, they don’t whine when bad calls are called by a referee, they seem to know it’s a part of the game, even it means taking away a touchdown when the call was so bogus, away from the play while the receiver was just running is route when the defender gets into his path and ended up getting knocked down.

by waldoshot on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you seriously confused?

Steelers fans aren’t complaining BECAUSE: They know they got away with a win in a game they were about to lose.

If my team had the #1 passing offense in the league and was held to only 175 passing yards against a #24 ranked passing defense that was missing their only pro-bowl corner, then I’d be VERY happy we won the game, let alone whining about a mistake call.

I’m surprised that you don’t understand this. Most of the Steelers fans on this thread seem pretty intelligent.

by cdubs on Oct 27, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably.

But you could make the argument that the whistles caused the defenders to stop covering allowing for Ward to get open.

But who knows, I don’t have access to the replay, so I can’t be certain.

by Bjorno on Oct 27, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The tripping call: Although it was clear on the replay that he did not actually make contact with James Harrison, his legs did fly up into the air in a way that is common when a player tries to trip another. Deion Sanders was just as emphatic that it was the right call as Daryl Johnston was that it was the wrong call.

Delay of game on defense: I’m pretty sure that was in the first quarter, and Ward had made a catch where it looked like he was about to make a big gain.

Other than that, though, if I was a Vikings fan, I’d feel better about my team’s performance overall than I do as a Steelers fan. I’m glad that the Steelers won, but I think that the Steelers were very fortunate. The offense didn’t do much in the second half, and the defense gave up two long drives that they were fortunate to turn into points for themselves. Well, the fumble was caused by good play, and the fumble return included some awesome blocking, but the interception was a little fluky. Taylor usually makes that catch, I think.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steelers fans have higher expectations

than vikes fans, you guys dominate more years, especially on defense. First off the delay of game was in our own redzone in the 4th quarter, not the first. Second, it was a bad call, Deion Sanders is an idiot.

The Steelers needed the win more than the Vikings did, that’s for sure, and I am happy with how we played (except for our typical soft deep zone super ineffective pass defense in the final 2 mintues of the second half.)

We also dropped a few interceptions on that last 1st half drive as well. One play gone/called differently and this game goes either way.

Chester Taylor missed catch was definately a fluke, if you were going to tell me something like this would happen, I would guess Chester to be the LAST player to drop the ball on the team. Too bad it had to happen to him, but no one is perfect.

by cdubs on Oct 26, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

For the most part you guys kept Adrian Peterson out of the game. We never really got a run game going at all, and what’s even more surprising is that Childress decided to actually make an adjustment to the game and come out pass heavy in the second half.

This has got to be a first that I’ve seen from Childress. He’s pretty much a “my-way-or-the-highway” guy and he rarely abandons the run game, especially in close games. At the very least you guys held the best rusher in the league to a “mediocre” game at best.

by cdubs on Oct 26, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are still arguing the delay of game?

You know Ward caught a pass across the middle on that and would have been off to the races for the endzone, right?

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by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the whistle blew right after the snap which may have helped ward make the catch. It was the right call. He was trying to draw us into a procedure penalty. Sullivan should have been called for pulling Hampton offsides earlier also

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not arguing that it was the wrong call. And it seemed like all the players on the field did not hear the first whistle or it was late.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just thought it was odd that the announcers made a big deal out of the call.

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right, I don’t know why I was thinking the defensive delay of game was in the first half. I just checked the play by play on NFL.com. But, IMO, it looked like a net loss for the Steelers, because Hines had already caught a very quick pass and had more than 5 yards and a first down when everybody realized the play was being blown dead.

I’m not one to praise Deion a lot, but the point is that there can be reasonable dispute on the tripping call. Anyway, good luck the rest of the way, until/unless the Vikes and Steelers play in the SB.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Offensive Pass Interference
Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
(a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.

Hence, Pass Interference.

by Bjorno on Oct 26, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miller was running his route while the defender played defense like playing basketball

let’s see, first of all Heath Miller was away from the play, so this takes away the reason for him to block a receiver, in fact he was looking to get open. While running his route the defender get in Miller’s path like in basketball when a defender gets into an area to take a charge, the defender ended up getting knocked down and Miller got an interference call, but this is not basketball. How is it a penalty for a receiver to run a route to get open and then a defender iniates contact by suddenly getting in his way and ended up on the ground, that’s should have been illegal contact on the defense for impeding the receiver’s route after 5 yards or no call before it, but since he was weak and a pantsy he got a pity call.

by waldoshot on Oct 26, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

let’s see, first of all Heath Miller was away from the play,

The interference happened before the ball was thrown, so it does not matter whether he was near the play or not.

While running his route the defender get in Miller’s path like in basketball when a defender gets into an area to take a charge, the defender ended up getting knocked down and Miller got an interference call, but this is not basketball.

 Exactly. Pick plays are legal in Basketball. They are not in football.

As per the NFL rulebook regarding what is considered pass interference:

“C. Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.” Or as you said, like in basketball, when a defender get’s in position to take a charge.

by Bjorno on Oct 26, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

Because it was within 5 yards.

by Bjorno on Oct 26, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

as you stated above the contact happened BEFORE the pass was thrown. It also happened within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage.
 Since the contact happened BEFORE the pass was thrown it can’t be called as pass interference. It would be considered illegal contact but since it happened within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage BEFORE the pass was thrown illegal contact can’t be called either.
  So because our TE flattened the DB because he wasn’t paying attention(no extention of his hands like he was blocking, just running his route) the ref THOUGHT there had to be a penalty( just like FLA/ GA game where ref said afterward ’ I saw him on the ground and THOUGHT it was an illegal hit’)
 If a LB hits or chuckes the TE coming off the line its legal. What is the difference when the TE does it to a DB?

by 1STstate bucco on Oct 26, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do I have to re-quote for you the rules just because you came into the conversation late? Or are you going to go back and read the entire thread?

Offensive Pass Interference
Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:
a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.

by Bjorno on Oct 27, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the key word in your definition being

“downfield.”

hence the argument.

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by agentorange on Oct 27, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

I came to my own blog late but I get here when I can and yes I did read the entire thread. Since your take on the play is SOOOOO wrong I decided to set you straight.
 Let’s break down your rule into 2 parts. First “Blocking downfield by an offensive player”. What is considered DOWNFIELD? Past the line of scrimmage or past the 5 yard area where a defensive player can hit or chuck the TE or WR. I don’t know what is considered downfield but I can’t imagine a rule where the D can hit the O but the O can’t hit the D. It doesn’t matter anyway because of the second part of the rule.
  “Prior to the ball being TOUCHED” The ball hadn’t even been THROWN yet so how does this rule apply. By the way,the ball was not even thrown in his direction. I’ve seen refs pick up PI flags if the ball is uncatchable( overthrown in the direction of the intended reciever). Any rule can be twisted to benefit your point but this is, in your own words, NOT PASS INTERFERENCE.

by 1STstate bucco on Oct 27, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't get it, read the picking rule

You can’t set a pick in football, the Colts do a play “similar” to a pick where they “brush” a player making minimal contact in their route, but just enough for an edge. Heath Miller pretty much TOOK OUT the defending LB that was lined up in coverage against the player who caught the TD pass.

Big difference.

I will admit the vikings got away with one of these last week vs baltimore, it wasn’t called, but should’ve been.

by cdubs on Oct 27, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will admit the vikings got away with one of these last week vs baltimore, it wasn’t called, but should’ve been.

I agree.

by Bjorno on Oct 27, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is old news by now,

but i’m sure the vikings fans are still crying about the tripping call. all i want to say is that it is not a bogus call. in fact, i believe it is the RIGHT call. not a bad call by the ref, but a very very good one. the blocker, dugan in this case, is responsible for his actions as a blocker. it is not the ref’s job to coddle him and to try and interpret his motivations. if the dude wants to leave his feet to block (the wisdom of such a choice is up for some debate), then he must – repeat: HE MUST- keep his legs down. that’s his responsibility, plain and simple. there is no way that a ref can see those legs sticking up like that and make a split second interpretation on what is going on. if you watch it at live game speed, it looks like he was trying to trip deebo. if you slow it down, you begin to make some interpretations, but the ref cannot be held responsible for a stupid physical play by a blocker. if you don’t want to get called for tripping on the reigning defensive player of the year, then keep your freaking legs down. end of story. stop whining.

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by agentorange on Oct 27, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

* I’d like to break down the play with pictures in the near future since we have a couple of weeks before the next game, but Big Ben’s touchdown strike to Mike Wallace at the end of the 1st half was gorgeous. The pass was thrown with plenty of zip, but it also had just the right trajectory to fall over the Vikings first line of defense in the secondary and down in to Wallace’s breadbasket before the last line of defense could get to #17. A truly perfect throw by Big Ben.

Did anyone notice that on this play Tone was WIDE open on the left side near Wallace. BB didn’t even scanned that side.

by Bonek on Oct 26, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes. i was confused cause he was even more open than wallace. thought it must have been sweed or someone that he didnt trust.

by sparco on Oct 26, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blitz, good thoughts ...

- However, I think you are being a little hard on Willie Gay. I don’t think he is the weak link. He hasn’t giving up a touchdown pass since he’s been a starter for the Steelers. I think that’s pretty good. The thing about he and Ike are that they don’t make plays on the ball and give up too much cushion sometime. What will put Ike in some bad situations is that he sometimes isn’t looking for the ball. I think Gay knows that he doesn’t have the jets to run with the M. Wallace’s and S. Holmes of the world, so that is why he gives his man space. As for yesterday, I have to give Favre his props, though. He was making throws yesterday that 90 percent of the quarterbacks in this league can’t make. I would have loved to have kept B-Mac, but that’s water over the bridge now. Time to get Keenan Lewis ready to play as well.

- And you got to give it up to Gay for making a “business decision” as Deon Sanders like to say for coming up and trying to hit Peterson. He got steamrolled, but at least he slowed him down a little until the help came. Still, to me Gay looks like he’d be a better free safety than CB and he’s a better than average corner to me.

- Also, I don’t agree about Sepulvada. Do you remember who we had at kicker last year? He is definitely an upgrade. Is he the robo-punter and All-Pro many thought he’d be based on his preseason punting? Probably not, but he’s been pretty solid to me.

- The BAD about our kickoff coverage unit is that they’ve given up two touchdowns and several other big returns this year. The GOOD thing is that it is fixable. It is not a scheme thing, it’s a personnel thing. Put the people on the field who are your best special teams players. That means activating LB Donovan Woods from the practice squad and re-acquiring S/CB Roy Lewis off of the Seahawks practice squad. You make room for these two by cutting A. Harrison and K. Ratliff (another possibility is Carey Davis). With a healthy Andre Frazie and the additions of Woods and Lewis, then the problem is solved on kickoff coverage.

- Where are all of the people on here that was bashing Starks this summer when he got his money? I didn’t hear too much from Jaren Allen yesterday, and Starks took him one-on-one on a lot of those plays I watched yesterday.

- I wonder how Tomlin will get across to Mendy that hanging on to the ball is crucial for his playing time. If FWP has anything, I expect for him to show it coming off of two weeks rest. With having his starting job taken away and free agency in his near future, he should be motivated to produce down the stretch.

- All in all, the Steelers are in a pretty good position right now. Tomlin has to fix the special teams, and I believe that he will. He flat out promised at his post-game press conference that he would, even if that means changing personnel. Here’s hoping that the Timmons and Kirschke injuries are minor. A lot of NFL teams lost good players for the season yesterday (ex. the Jets RB Leon Washington broke his leg and is out for the year). Hoping this team can stay healthy and hungry.

- James Farrior turned back the clock yesterday and had one heck of a game. He was even hitting his own players yesterday. They needed that type of play. Now, on to the bye.

- By the way, do you guys believe me now when I told you back in April that this Mike Wallace kid is pretty good and that the Steelers should take him?

by datruth4life on Oct 26, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff

Obviously, I agree with your comment on Willie Gay.

Starks sure did look pretty good yesterday. I was glad when we finally signed him to a long term deal. I thought he had proven his worth last year. I didn’t expect to even be as good as he has looked so far.

You were right on Wallace. So far, he’s looking like a keeper in every way. He may be our next WR to stick around for over a decade.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

- All in all, the Steelers are in a pretty good position right now. Tomlin has to fix the special teams, and I believe that he will. He flat out promised at his post-game press conference that he would, even if that means changing personnel. Here’s hoping that the Timmons and Kirschke injuries are minor…Hoping this team can stay healthy and hungry.

Good to hear that from Tomlin. After the bad coverage on the Cribbs TD and bad coverage on the Harvin TD…something has to happen. You cannot give up TDs without your defense even seeing the field. That is a horrible momentum killer. What the hell do you do with Reed though? He isn’t exactly winning anyone over this season.

Also, if that’s the same ankle with Timmons I would not be surprised to see him out against the Broncos. Hopefully Foxy can keep making plays.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RBs
- I wonder how Tomlin will get across to Mendy that hanging on to the ball is crucial for his playing time. If FWP has anything, I expect for him to show it coming off of two weeks rest. With having his starting job taken away and free agency in his near future, he should be motivated to produce down the stretch.

We’ve had an opportunity the past two weeks to put some distance between ourselves and the opponent. However, because of our RBs inability to protect the football, we’ve given our opponents new life. I love the way Mendenhall has been running the football since he was given an opportunity, but if he can’t find a way to hang on to the ball then he certainly doesn’t deserve to be on the field in crunch time. It’s inexcusable to be coughing it up that frequently.

As for FWP, he also coughed up the ball last week against Cleveland. As for the game against the Vikings, the only play I recall was inside the ten yard line. He was running to the left and there appeared to be a huge hole if he had cut the run up, but instead he followed his blocker and tackled himself by running into the blocker. If he had cut it up he’d have had 4-5 yards or possibly a TD. By running with his blinders on, he managed 0-1 yard. So far this season, FWP has not shown much of anything. I really don’t think he is the answer.

Someone who has demonstrated he can step up, make big plays and hang on to the ball is Mewelde Moore. His play last season was largely responsible for our success. In the past two games with the game on the line he has become the go to RB because he doesn’t turn it over. Maybe it’s time to get him some more PT.

I’m pretty frustrated with Mendenhall right now. He has been given an opportunity to carry the load, and despite some nice runs, solid pass blocking, and an ability to catch the ball out of the backfield, he has, quite literally, dropped the ball. He needs to figure out that despite the numerous positives he brings to the table, not turning the ball over is the MOST important attribute a RB needs to develop.

by King Coebra on Oct 26, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

King Coebra, I agree on RB situation

The coaching staff doesn’t trust Mendy running with the ball in crunch time. FWP looks bad right now as well. Thank goodness for Mewelde. The staff wants Mendy to succeed, so if he shows them that can carry the ball down the stretch without fumbling, then I think they’ll go with him. I wonder if Carey Davis might be active on game days going fwd to help on special teams?

Still, Mendy could have had 100 yards yesterday if the Steelers would have had the ball longer and he’d gotten more opportunities. The O line is playing pretty well and getting better every week.

by datruth4life on Oct 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember when Willie was young, he’d have a hard time finding the hole on inside runs, but that play was ridiculous. He had a ten yard opening right in front of him and he runs right past it. I like Willie, but right now, he’s like the Jake Delhomme of running backs: terrible and getting measurably worse on a weekly basis.

by pghnorthside on Oct 26, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the respectful tone of the post....cdubs...

…but I agree strongly with the refs (and the former players on the NFL network) about the tripping call.

We both agree that Dugan whiffed on Harrison on the play. In fact, he whiffed so badly I thought I was watching Matt Speath. And we both agree that Harrison nearly tripped on Dugan’s legs. But here’s where I disagee with you:

When Dugan went down, his legs became extended, they scissored a bit, and THAT’S why the ref called the penalty. Dugan was beaten to the outside and he extended or raised his legs to where the defender was coming. As Deion Sanders said on NFL network, “they’ll call that every time.”

As for the delay of game penalty, I don’t know why they call it “delay of game.” It used to be called “encroachment” or something like that, and it has nothing to do with the defense being ready to play. It was for having a defensive lineman, once in that three point stance, making a rapid football move or jump into the neutral zone, in order to draw an offensive lineman offside. I’m pretty sure that’s what that call was about.

And as Johnny S points out, the call wiped out a big gain on a quick pass to Hines Ward. If the whistle hadn’t blown, Ward was off to the races.

Anyway, it WAS a terrific game, and I think we both agree it would be great to see these two teams play in January.

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by Homer J. on Oct 26, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

make up call

the tripping call was weak but not a horrible call. I think it was more a make up call for missing a call earlier. On AP’s big run early in the drive, he made it through the line only because Duggan wrapped up Farrior in a bear hug. That call should not have been missed and if called, the Vikes probably wouldn’t have made it as far as they did

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard To Believe

The win was BIG. But, how do you have the leading receiver in the league entering this game and, only complete one pass for a sorry three yards to him? Would some of the more knowledgeable scholars of the game explain this one to me. I really would appreciate this. LOOK FOR 86!

by steel-ten on Oct 26, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know if I’d call myself a scholar, but it looked like the offense was very conservative in the second half, and Ben checked down a lot during the game, which is why Miller got so many looks. Hines had catch on the Vikings’ defensive delay of game penalty, and he dropped that one over the middle that he had caught. It was a big hit, but he’s held onto those before.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heath caught so many passes two yards short of a first down...

…I thought I was watching Carey “Mister Fourth and Two” Davis. Except Heath’s were mostly on second down, so Miller became “Mister Third and Two.”

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by Homer J. on Oct 26, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Yeah, but Carey was making those catches 2 yards short on 3rd and 2. That’s the difference.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Start with this....time of possession.....

The Vikings had two excruciatingly long drives end in Steeler touchdowns. The Vikes had the ball for 15 minutes on those two drives….the Steelers for 30 seconds…and the Steelers scored 14 points and had to kick off again. (Although one kickoff was taken to the house)

When the Steeler defense is on the field, Ward doesn’t catch passes.

He did get clobbered on one pass reception – which he dropped – and he seemed to be hurt.
He kept playing. But Hines plays hurt. Hell, he’d probably play dead if he had to. Trust me, ten, Ben didn’t forget about him. He was covered a lot, and that’s why Wallace was so open. And he’ll get plenty of chances against Denver.

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by Homer J. on Oct 26, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you watched

The Vikings D specifically targeted Ward in coverage. He seemed to have two guys around him most of the day. Since Ward is not a speedster its difficult for him to break double teams. Holmes should have stepped up and had a bigger day.

Also Ward did have one drop and a long reception called back on the penalty.

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by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cover 2

The Vikes were playing a deep cover 2 to prevent Holmes and Ward from making big plays. Mike Wallace had a good game as a result.

by woody71 on Oct 26, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on sepulvada

my understanding with acl injuries, is 6 months to heal, but it is not until 12-18 months where the athlete truly gets back to the previous level.
If you compare his rookie year stats, he has increased his average, and his net average, and punt returners are averaging less than 7 yards, with no touchdowns, and about 42% of punts have no returns.
Plus, I feel confident that if the punt returner breaks one, Sepulveda is one of the best tackling punters out there. There isn’t really a stat for that, but arguably it is one of the most important nonstats in the game.

Also, to beat the Vikes, you have to shutdown Peterson. You have to let Favre beat you, and it is much better to let him go over 300 passing, then have Peterson go over 100 rushing. The 4th quarter defense was impressive. Stopping Peterson on back to back goalline runs was a solid effort.

by vherub on Oct 26, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When the deffense is ON, good things happen

This game against the viking had some similarities to the last superball against the Aizona cardinal. Brett Favre was confused wth all the biltzing in front and tight coverage deep down the field. The only thing that was working for him was the short passing and short yardage running. With the exception of two teams in the league; New England & Indianappolis, this deffense scheme would work on any team in the league. I would bet that the next game against Denver and the one against the Raven would look very similar to the one against the vikings. The thing that caught my attention against the vikings was the way Roethlisburger was careful in selecting his passes. In the previous 2-3 games, the ball was in air a lot more than it was on the ground with him going over 300 yards per game. Overall, I think the game was well balanced between offense and deffense but the deffense had the last word in winning the game. So, let’s remember the steel curtain and what it stands for.

by Joez on Oct 26, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Quite the 4th Quarter...

Not the ending I wanted to see… but wanted to stop by and give you the nod on the Win.

I BELIEVE...

by ArizonaVikingsFan on Oct 26, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WE WANT MOORE!!! WE WANT MOORE!!!

I would like to see Moore Start and let either Mendenhall and/or Fast Willie be the 3rd Down or Spell Back.

Its plain to see Moore is the most consistent back of the three. It seems like every time they go to Moore in big plays he makes them.

by WV Steeler Fan! on Oct 26, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mendenhall can be the feature back if stops fumbling. I don’t think Moore could take the beating over a season, and we do need him healthy.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point, pack.....

Moore is too valuable as a third down back…and a closer when the game is on the line.

For the same reason you don’t want to start your relief pitcher, you don’t want to wear out MeMo. You need him when you really need him.

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by Homer J. on Oct 26, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 ... less Moore is more

Mendenhall clearly needs feature back carries, and hopefully ball security is a valuable lesson learned now that will pay dividends come playoff time. That said, it’s nice to count on MeMo whenever they do call his number.

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by dminor on Oct 26, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's still holding the ball too loose

Remember when Willie had a problem with fumbling? That was his problem as well. Mendy needs to carry the ball the way Ahman Green did late in his career, in which the ball was always carried high and on the chest.

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 26, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't Ahman Green

One of the most notorious fumblers during his NFL career?

PS-He just resigned with the Packers I believe.

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by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same problem with Tiki Barber

Tiki used to fumble like that same way. And then he was instructed the high and tight approach which tucks it between the collarbone and shoulder bones. Combined with the forearm holding it in the center it makes a nice 3 point brace for a football.

by Mechem on Oct 26, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you want a model for holding onto the ball

Look at Marion Barber. the ball moves with his whole shoulder, firmly snug in the crook of his elbow

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marion Barber

Is a beast of a man though. His strength is probably at the tops of the RBs list.

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by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

watch a clip of him running. the ball is so tightly held it looks like it’s part of his arm.

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you

never see him hold it away from his body

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not in the latter part of his career

When he was younger he always did. But once he learned to hold it a certain way his fumbles decreased.

Another guy to look at is Tiki Barber. He carried the ball the same way Green did the last two or three years he was in the league. His fumbles went down a lot too. And it just so happens that those were the most productive years of his career.

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 26, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it that hard to teach a guy to hold it the right way?

I don’t understand it. When a coach used to tell me to fix something in soccer or lacrosse, I put my mind to it and would only make the mistake once or twice before committing it to auto-reaction. Why can’t the Spin Dr. figure it out?

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by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barber

learned how to hold the ball at the University of Minnesota. Not exactly a bastion of football greatness, but someone there can teach RBs how to hold on to the ball. Barber’s backfield mate at Minn was Laurence Maroney. He holds the ball the same way.

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Coaches need to do something drastic

Like tie his arm up to his body “high and tight” with some pre-wrap. Maybe that will get him to figure it out.

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by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dick Hoak

Can we pull the old coach out of retirement to show Mendy how to hold the ball?

by woody71 on Oct 26, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's just hard to break old habits

Some people are just different. He held the ball that way for several years while at Illinois. It was probably addressed by his position coach, but they probably figured since he was so productive that it wouldn’t matter. IDK.

by StoneColdSteel on Oct 26, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he should keep him benched for the Broncos game

Until he shows he has fixed or is working on fixing the problem.

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by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can only learn through experience

Mendy is still a raw running back. He didn’t play very much at Illinois, only one year with 100-plus carries. It took Tiki Barber years to learn how to hold the ball more safely. Many running backs come into the NFL and go through fumbles, including Adrian Peterson. Jerome Bettis had fumble-itis at times. He finally switched to better arm pads to improve ball adhesion, and yet he still coughed up the ball in the playoffs for what might have been the most infamous fumble in Steeler history. Mendenhall is only going to learn better ball control by being hit, over and over, and having the ball come loose once in a while. What he’s doing now is just being an athlete and as long as he continues running like this, we have to live with the occasional drop.

by steeler.lifer on Oct 27, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Keep giving him the ball. But, if he coughs it up, I don’t have problem with going with MeMo late either.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 27, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree and disagree, naturally

as far as Gay is concerned I completely agree. I can’t remember how many of our opponents drop back into passing and use Gay’s man as their first read, but it seems to be a high number. Farve was slinging them asap to whoever he was lined up on and those were designed that way. People know to attack him.
This isn’t really a knock on Gay though, I dont really expect 5th rounders (right?) to be starters. He’s doing good for a late round pick but doesn’t have the skills to be a solid starter. He excels as a nickel back though………

I disagree on throwing a lot of the blame on Reed for that KO TD. You can’t blame the kicker for anything other than kick offs and field goals. True he is part of the special teams and therefore the coverage unit but cmon, hes a kicker. Its nit his job to be tackling people. It was a poor attempt on his part but to his credit hes the only one who really got his hands on Harvin……..he gets the least of the blame in my opinion.
That being said, however, the Vikings are trying to win too, teams are gonna make plays, return TDs are gonna happen.

by shleeve on Oct 26, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On Reed

I would be upset with just the lame attempt at a tackle, but the fact that he did not force Harvin toward the middle is inexcusable. If you are going to just push him, push him toward the center of the field were more players are. Or he could have been a man and attempted to tackle him, or at least thrown his shoulder at his legs.

The reason he was the only one to be open is because what blocker is going to block him over a LB or a DB? That would be stupid. Kickers generally come in uncontested because there are not enough blockers to block everyone, and the kicker is the least threatening tackler. He gets no credit for “being the only one to get a hand on Harvin.”

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by Johnny_S on Oct 26, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont get me wrong, im saying he should have made the tackle and it was a pathetic efort at best…but you can’t place a lot of the blame on him, thats all I’m saying. It should never come down to the kicker.

by shleeve on Oct 26, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there has to be greater effort and smarter decision making there

When I saw Reed as the last man with a chance around midfield, I’m already thinking we gave up 6, but he’s got to put more into that. His kickoff wasn’t that good and the coverage was worse (gaping hole was an instant “uh oh”), but of the 11 players in black and gold, you’ll only see one half assed effort on that play.

Kickers get beat by much faster players to the sideline — nothing new — but he got his hands on him and gave him a weak shove towards the sideline. Wrong direction for Reed to play it, but he didn’t even really commit to his mistake.

by chicos_pants on Oct 26, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Reed was just trying not to injure himself

As a pending free agent, he does not want to get hurt and reduce his market value. His next employer will not be paying him to make tackles on kickoff returns. Sad but true.

by Steelin on Oct 26, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i also blame reed

for not kicking the ball further. no, i don’t expect him to make great tackles (although a bit more effort than what we saw on sunday would be nice), but i do blame him for kicking to the 12 yard line. seriously? is that as far as your massive, tree-trunk-like thighs can kick a football? why? why do we have to settle for that? i want more touchbacks! is that asking too much?

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by agentorange on Oct 27, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only was it a short kickoff, it was a line drive. A recipe for disaster. He should have been prepared to help make a tackle as soon as the ball left his foot.

by steeler.lifer on Oct 27, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about Gay...

Getting absolutely steamrolled by Peterson. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player do that to a defender immediately after the catch. The defender has a massive advantage to make the tackle/break up the catch on that play. Peterson literally ran him over. How does that happen?

by cdubs on Oct 26, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cause hes just really good

Dont blame Gay for that. Peterson does shit like that every week. He’s pretty much a monster.

Gay gets credit for still tryin to get his leg despite being on his ass.

by Mechem on Oct 26, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AP lowered his head lower than Gay thought he would and AP is 15-20 pounds heavier

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gay is the smallest guy on our defense

and Peterson is the best running back in the NFL. Guess who wins in that collision? As a Steeler fan, I don’t feel too bad about that one. I didn’t see AP running over Polamalu or Clark, or Harrison or any of the other LBs that are paid to tackle running backs.

by Steelin on Oct 26, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You must have missed the highlights

of Andre Johnson doing just that to 3 defenders against the Cards a couple weeks ago, then. Peterson only had one defender to run over.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From a Vikes Fan

The Skol-Aide has warn off finally from a tough loss to swallow (aren’t all losses that way)? I’m going to say one final thing before moving on to Packer’s Week (incase you haven’t heard, Brett Favre plays in Lambeau? Really? Naw…). I don’t care about missed calls, should haves, could haves, or would haves. Plain and simple when the clock ran out you guys were up by 10. With that in mind, I think we played a hell of game and this matchup between our teams is pretty damn even. Any fan of football can see a bounce here or a tip there is all that seperates us. I think it’d be a really fun Super Bowl to see you guys gain. Good game, and good luck on the rest of your season. Please feel free to slaughter Green Bay and Chi, we’ll take care of Cincy.

by Jepp The Viking on Oct 26, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I

live in the twin cities and have watched alot of vikes games. Until watching them play the Steelers, I hadn’t really noticed how hard Favre throws the ball. Harder than anyone else even at age 40

by qwikdoc on Oct 26, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bravo

Seriously, the Vikes put up a great game and are definitely a force to be reckoned with. We will no doubt see them in the playoffs this year. And yes, a few different calls by the refs and one or two less crazy turnovers would have turned this one the Vikes’ way.

by smashtheguitar on Oct 26, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Steelers played a great game as well.

That game could have gone either way, you guys made the plays you needed to and we simply did not.

by Bjorno on Oct 26, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Win or lose

…that would have been a good game. It’s just plain fun watching two strong teams go at it. In the end, it was nothing like the game I expected.

by Varmint on Oct 26, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great comment! :)

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 26, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vikings got lucky....

A phantom interference call on Miller that erased a Steeler touchdown and a brutal non call for holding on Harvin’s kick return lets the Vikings right back into a game that the Steelers should’ve easily won. I guess rear naked chokes are now legal on kick returns.

by MFB on Oct 26, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, but the pass interference call was justified.

It was a pick, and picks are illegal in football. Whether it was intended or not, he drove through the defender knocking him down which is pass interference.

And I still am failing to see the hold on the kick return. Do you mean the block the Heath Farewell (#59) was putting on your guy when Reed missed the tackle?

If so, that was borderline at best. He kept his hands inside and kept his body in front of the defender. That is a legal block last time I checked.

by Bjorno on Oct 26, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Notice the arrow pointing to the hand that is properly placed for a legal block.

If this is the wrong block, let me know. It’s the only view I could find.

by Bjorno on Oct 27, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wrong....

pass interference when the ball was already thrown on the other side of the field? and it’s clear that farewell has jersey in this photo….when u watch the video it’s pretty obvious the ref’s blew it by a non call……you take away this touchdown and vikings aren’t even in the game…..they need to learn how to score.

by MFB on Oct 27, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, pass interference. But it wasn’t already thrown.

It’s called a pick and is illegal in football, hence the penalty.

There is nothing wrong with having jersey, it’s when hands move to the outside of the body that draws a holding penalty.

by Bjorno on Oct 27, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get your head out of your posterior

The pick by Heath Miller was intentional. The call was justified.

by Belarus on Oct 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More on Troy...

… without him yesterday I think the Steelers would likely be sitting 4-3. While you could see he was not quite at full speed, #43 still flashed the extra gear that makes this D special. In particular, the 3Q TD-saving tackle of Rice at the goal line (Vikes ended up settling for 3) and the 4Q play when Peterson finally got loose on the right edge but Troy closed awfully fast and forced him out (AD takes that one to the house if 43 isn’t in the game). Not that there was ever any doubt, but 80% Troy still makes the Pro Bowl; 100% Troy has his hair flying on a bust in Canton… THE ultimate game-changer on D!

(BTW Blitz, I enjoy your post-game breakdowns and the BTSC forum)

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by dminor on Oct 26, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who would you rather have if you were Minnesota? A 30 year old Chester Taylor taking up nearly $4 million in cap room or a 27 year old Mewelde Moore who takes up less less than half the cap space that Taylor does. Moore is reliable and even keeled with his performance. Taylor is more up and down.

Me?

I would take Chester Taylor, no question.

Yes, Taylor is older and costs more. But he is much more valuable because he is not only a good receiving threat and a good blocker, but he can run the ball as well. Taylor had a 1200 yard season the year before AP burst into the league, and even though he is 30, he still has plenty of tread left on the tires since he has been a backup to Jamal Lewis, then AP.

Taylor is up and down? You must not watch a lot of Vikings football. He is one of, if not the, most sure handed 3rd down backs in the league. Ask anyone in our division.

The decision to keep MeMo or Taylor was a very difficult one. But we made the right decision. AP is a guy who is going to be prone to injury because of his running style. We need a guy who can not only do what MeMo can do, but also run the ball if needed.

Don’t get me wrong, MeMo is great and I was sad to see him leave, but he has yet to prove himself a solid starting running back.

I still remember MeMo absolutely DESTROYING a defensive end on a block back in ’06 or ’07. MeMo was pretty much at a standstill and the end was rushing at him, he basically picked him up in the air and pushed him back 5 yards.

I am VERY jealous of the Steelers. You guys not only have MeMo, but you have Tomlin who was my choice for head coach.

by Bjorno on Oct 26, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just watched the game again on NFL Network Replay

The Vikings completely outclassed the Steelers last Sunday. The tripping call was bogus. Without it, the entire game result changes. The Vikings would have been ahead 17 – 13 late in the 4th quarter, and the INT at the end of the game probably doesn’t happen because that drive isn’t necessary. There were 4 penalty calls against the Vikings on the tripping penalty drive. 4! What the hell is going on with the NFL refs? The fix was definitely in on this game. Even after the refs did everything to hand the game to the Steelers, the Vikings were back in the redzone with less than 90 seconds remaining poised to win the game. A fluke muff by Chester Taylor is all that stood between the Steelers going 4-3. The wrong team won last Sunday. The NFL refs are quickly joining the NBA refs as the most corrupt in professional sports.

by Belarus on Oct 27, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

vikings can't play within the rules...

jared allen is a non factor….the best back in the world gave a very pedestrian effort and the vikings o line can’t block without leg whipping…..very pathetic effort from a pathetic franchise…no wonder the vikings never won a superbowl…the whole organization is filled with losers. maybe they should learn how to play within the rules…..they got lucky that the hold on the kick return wasn’t seen. the better organization won!!!

by MFB on Oct 28, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prove to me that there was a hold on that return.

There is plenty of video evidence to corroborate your story if it is true. So get a screen shot of the hold in question and post it here if you are so sure.

Everyone keeps talking about Heath Farewell #59 holding, and all I see is a good block. I even have an image posted above showing him, with hands properly placed on the defenders body never moving to the outside, getting a solid block.

I am willing to call a spade a spade, so show it to me and I will have no problem agreeing if it really is a hold.

by Bjorno on Oct 28, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Farewell's hold...

just watch the videos on youtube….he was beside the tackler with the hold not in front of him….face it, the ref missed the call…TD vikings

by MFB on Oct 29, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had his body between the defender and the returner at all times.

You seem to think that you can only block horizontally, what he was doing is perfectly legal so long as he does not have his hands on the outside of the defenders body.

Now let’s clarify what perfectly legal means in football.

Holding is technically something that happens on EVERY SINGLE PLAY, but the refs do not call it on every single play because that is pointless. They have a level of holding that they accept and a level that they do not accept.

So while this block is technically a hold, if you want to get picky, it is not one that will be called on special teams because of the angles involved.

Like this, that I posted above:

So long as his hands are not on the outside of the defenders body, this type of block is allowed.

by Bjorno on Oct 29, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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