Is Gay the weakest link?
by acrollet on Oct 26, 2009 11:39 PM EDT
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In Blitzburgh's excellent summary of last Sunday's game, the following stuck out to me:
William Gay had 8 tackles on Sunday, increasing his season total to 30. Only James Farrior, Ryan Clark and James Harrison have more tackles. In case you were wondering, I don't necessarily think this is a good thing. I tip my hat to Gay for playing hard and for making some nice plays in each of the Steelers first seven games, but there's no doubt in my mind that he's the weak link not only in the team's secondary, but the entire defense as well. Teams are going right at Gay most weeks, hence the high tackle totals. And they're definitely making him pay when he gives his man too big a cushion. I don't have the exact total on me, but there were at least four or five plays where Favre quickly slung the ball out to the wide receiver that Gay was defending
Another tackle he shouldn't have had to make? (via zimbio.com)
Gay's stat line for the game: 9 tackles (8 solo) with one pass defensed.
I thought I remembered Gay with some bad plays, but I really thought I remembered some pretty solid ones, too. In the interests of truth, justice, and the american way, I decided to go through and watch all the plays he was involved in. The play-by-play with my notes follows after the break.
1st quarter:
- 2-18-MIN 10 (10:40) 29-C.Taylor left guard to MIN 14 for 4 yards (22-W.Gay, 94-L.Timmons).
This was a good play by Gay - he diagnosed the situation correctly, and came up to help make the tackle.
- 2-12-MIN 15 (7:36) 4-B.Favre pass short left to 17-G.Lewis to MIN 22 for 7 yards (22-W.Gay).
On a long passing down, Gay closed quickly and made an excellent shoestring tackle. Good play.
- 3-5-MIN 22 (6:58) (Shotgun) 4-B.Favre pass short right to 12-P.Harvin to MIN 29 for 7 yards (22-W.Gay).
Not so good - there appeared to be some miscommunication or hesitance between Gay and Taylor as Harvin and another receiver crossed each other. Still, he gave up the 1st down to his man, and it could have been more had Favre hit him in stride instead of about 2 inches off the ground. Bad play.
2cd quarter:
- 3-6-MIN 28 (9:46) (Shotgun) 4-B.Favre pass deep left to 12-P.Harvin to PIT 44 for 28 yards (25-R.Clark) [22-W.Gay].
This was the infamous hesitation on the cornerback blitz - it's possible that Favre would have still gotten the pass off if he hadn't stopped for a split second, but probably not. Bad play.
- 2-5-PIT 39 (8:39) 4-B.Favre pass short right to 87-B.Berrian to PIT 32 for 7 yards (22-W.Gay).
Gay was lined up nearly 10 yards off the LOS, and gave up the easy 1st down on the screen pass. I don't know if you blame LeBeau or Gay here - the game plan definitely seemed to be to keep everything in front of the D, and you give up a lot of the short stuff that way. Even if Gay had instantly diagnosed the play and flown up like Troy, you're probably talking 3rd and inches, with AP in the backfield. Call this one a wash.
- 1-10-PIT 21 (7:23) 4-B.Favre pass incomplete short left to 87-B.Berrian. Coverage by #22 Gay.
Berrian missed the catch with Gay about 4 yards away - probably an 8 yard gain if Berrian comes back for a poorly aimed Favreball. Lucky play.
- 3-1-PIT 12 (6:41) 28-A.Peterson left guard to PIT 3 for 9 yards (25-R.Clark, 22-W.Gay).
Gay keeps his head in the play and gets off a block in time to help Clark save a TD. Good play.
3rd quarter:
- 1-10-PIT 44 (8:11) 4-B.Favre pass short left to 17-G.Lewis to PIT 44 for no gain (22-W.Gay).
Good diagnosis and a good tackle on another screen - good play.
4th quarter:
- 2-4-MIN 20 (12:25) 4-B.Favre pass incomplete deep right to 12-P.Harvin (22-W.Gay).
On a deep pass that would almost certainly have gone for 6, Gay does an excellent job of staying with the receiver and turning around and making a play on the ball - no defensive pass interference, and a good play at a crucial point in the game.
- 2-13-MIN 34 (11:00) 4-B.Favre pass short left to 17-G.Lewis to MIN 39 for 5 yards (22-W.Gay).
On a quick snap against an unprepared defense, Gay does a good job of reacting and making the tackle instantly - good play.
- 1-10-PIT 46 (9:45) 4-B.Favre pass short left to 17-G.Lewis to PIT 40 for 6 yards (22-W.Gay).
Another play with a big cushion - Gay makes the tackle and doesn't allow Lewis to make any YAC - good play.
- 3-J.Reed kicks 43 yards from PIT 30 to MIN 27. 12-P.Harvin to MIN 37 for 10 yards (22-W.Gay, 11-S.Logan).
Gay helps make a very important special teams tackle on an excellent returner who had just busted one for 6. He was first to Harvin, and stopped him in the open field, allowing others to come in and help him clean up. GREAT play.
- 1-10-MIN 48 (:28) (Shotgun) 4-B.Favre pass incomplete deep right to 12-P.Harvin. Coverage by #26 Townsend, #22 Gay.
This was a practically a hail mary by Favre, though well thrown - coverage was all Townsend, Gay would have only been good for clean-up. This was a wash to slightly bad on Gay's part.
Conclusion:
By my count, Gay's record on the day was 8-3-2 - 8 good plays on the game, 3 bad plays, and 2 meh plays. Yes, he was getting targeted a lot - that happens when you're starting opposite "face me" Ike Taylor. Overall I thought he did a decent to good job, considering the coverages he was assigned. Best of all, he really seemed to step up his game after a somewhat shaky start. It may be fair to call Gay the weak link of the entire defense, but only because the rest of the D played an outstanding game. (Ike Taylor certainly gave up a few passes himself...) I would welcome any and all comments - I don't hold myself up as any tape watching expert, but this is what I saw.
Addendum:
I went back and watched all plays of over 5 yards where Gay is not listed in the play-by-play to look for missed tackles. I didn't bother watching the last garbage time drive. (started with 1:00 left in the 4th)
2cd quarter:
2-10-PIT 32 (7:51) 4-B.Favre pass short left to 87-B.Berrian to PIT 21 for 11 yards (92-J.Harrison):
This was a missed tackle by Gay that would have held Berrian to a 4-5 yard gain.
4th quarter:
3-4-MIN 45 (2:00) (Shotgun) 4-B.Favre pass short middle to 28-A.Peterson to PIT 26 for 29 yards (57-K.Fox).
This was the infamous trucking by Adrian Peterson. He did make an effort to grab AP's legs after getting creamed, so points for effort there I guess.
Modified Conclusion:
With these two additional plays, put his record at 8-5-2.
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What about the plays he missed? This seems to be only a listing of the plays he made.
I mean, there is nothing about him getting run over by AP.
by Bjorno on Oct 27, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I only did the plays that show up in the play-by-play
didn’t have time to check for him on every play – do you know of any others?
by acrollet on Oct 27, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes but.....
ok the cusion drives me crazy too but think about it…..in the base 3-4 Taylor and Gay are manned up on their recievers usually have 1 deep safety being Clark and Troy freelancing or run support or blitzing etc etc…so the corners have to keep everything in front of them..no other way to play it..if you let the guy past you there is no deep help unless Troy drops back ….so would you rather have Troy making all his plays and the corners giving cushion or the corners playing bump and run and keep Troy and Clark back for over the top help?…and having read all that you posted I agree it seemed like the cushion was too big but the defense gave up 10 whole points with the great A.P. and the legendary Favre….I’ll take the 10 point game all day…and I think Gay will get better with time
yoy
by yoyage on Oct 27, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
please see addendum above
I went back and checked every play that went for any amount of yardage – possible that I still missed one or two, but I don’t think any that went for significant yardage or a 1st down.
by acrollet on Oct 27, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
Lots of those plays are the result of him being a step or half step late to where he should ideally be. Even if he ‘closed out fairly well’ many times teams are just getting 5-8 yards a pop any time they want by going at him.
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by Blitzburgh on Oct 27, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my contention is that those plays are more a weakness of the scheme than of Gay – he was being told to line up 10 yards off the receiver and keep things in front of him. Minnesota was doing a lot of passing, (somewhat inexplicably considering they had AP) and Favre will take a one-on-one matchup on the outside every day. To my eye, Gay is doing his job in those situations, not letting his guy get past him, and making the tackle. With Favre throwing the ball as much as he did, someone’s got to make some tackles… Getting eaten up by the dink and dunk has been the achilles heel of the LeBeau defense for quite some time. It may be a chicken and an egg question, and perhaps the scheme would be different if McFadden was still here, but the team chose to spend that money on players like Miller and Keisel. Can’t have everything!
by acrollet on Oct 27, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't have everything!
Exactly! We signed some key guys to long term deals, and since we’re not the Yankees, somethings gotta give! And, we did just beat the previously undefeated Vikes, held their O to 10 points, WITHOUT A. Smith. I think that speaks volumes about this D.
by PonchoBrew on Oct 27, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
another point
Ike Taylor’s stat line: 7 tackles, 3 assists. I haven’t looked at the tape on him, but I’m not sure it’s fair to completely single out Gay. Maybe Minnesota also has a pretty good passing game?
by acrollet on Oct 27, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a defense like ours, being the weakest link is not necessarily derogatory. Honestly, I think Gay might be better at this stage than Ike was with the same level of experience
by qwikdoc on Oct 27, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weak link
He is a weak link, that does not mean that he can’t make good plays or that he will never be good. I think he can get better and he certainly is getting his fair share of plays to his side. As long as we can keep winning this is actually a good thing, as he cannot help but benefit from the experience. He gives too much cushion and his tackling needs improvement. He has missed more than a few, although maybe not as evident as the AP mauling. Hopefully he will improve steadily by the playoffs and make a marked improvement next year. We have some young corners but the defensive backfield has over taken the OL as the biggest need to be addressed in the off season. As they get more experience together, the OL is gelling into a good and could be a very good type unit.
by DarinS on Oct 27, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s a testament to our defense that he is the weak link. He certainly has room for improvement, especially in coverage but he is a good aggressive tackler and overall a good addition to the team. I think William Gay has alot of upside and will be a solid corner for this team for a long time
by qwikdoc on Oct 27, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Acrollet pointed out, he actually tried to make the play after getting crushed by AP. How many corners in this league would have done that?
by qwikdoc on Oct 27, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he does have upside, how much we will see. One issue that he can’t really improve upon is his size, there seems to be a trend again, with teams going to big recievers, no matter how good he gets in coverage, he will struggle with that.
by DarinS on Oct 27, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gay was great as a third CB who mainly played on passing downs. As a starter teams are more easily able to exploit his weaknesses, which aren’t that many. He is a small guy and doesn’t tackle the bigger guys like we would want. Also he doesn’t read the receiver as well, good route runners seem to be the ones who get him. I could be wrong there, haven’t looked at it too much.
Hopefully K. Lewis improves a lot and becomes a better option.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 27, 2009 2:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
rookies
i’d like to see the rookies play a little more. Dont like WG and never have……
by Sch Lotan on Oct 27, 2009 2:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes the Gays are the weakest link.
Wait…. You mean William? Oh yea well I have to say that he is. But I don’t see us with another option that will be better. I like that he’s making a lot of tackles. Yes he muffed a few, but there’s a new energy too feed off of. And his name is Troy. And he made our 09’ questionable D have looks of our 08’ squad. I know that Gay will improve as the season goes on. I’m looking forward to seeing it.
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Oct 27, 2009 3:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good analysis
Thanks acrollet, for producing some evidence on the performance of William Gay. He’s going to have to live with his starring role in A. Peterson’s highlight reel, but missing a one-on-one open field tackle on AP is no shame.
I agree with those on this site who have questioned why Keiwan Ratliff is taking up a roster spot. I’d like to see Joe Burnett and Keenan Lewis getting some playing time in the nickel or dime and on special teams. If either of them is going to beat out Gay for a starting spot in the future, we should be developing them now.
by MelBlunt on Oct 27, 2009 6:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agree on this
Ratliff just seems a step slow every time I notice him. might as well have someone in there who might have the speed/athleticism to recover from a mistake.
by acrollet on Oct 27, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who among ...
us could deliver a blow and take that hit from AP AND still be trying to make the tackle while on the way down to the canvas like Dub-G was? Give the kid a break.
by tenthmtnman on Oct 27, 2009 7:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
while I agree that is a difficult task, we are not paid millions to do just that, he is.
by DarinS on Oct 27, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
True I didn’t check to see what he made but the point I was trying to make remains, in that you really can’t compare the ability of those on a blog site to that of a NFL player. I am sure there are plenty here that are better at their jobs than BPWG could ever hope to be. To be fair, there are many players in the NFL that would have suffered the same punishment that Willie took on that play. I still think he has upside and all this picking on he is taking now will only make him better later. The one thing as I and many others have pointed out is that he is smaller than ideal especially with the trend towards bigger receivers. I know we have some young talent in the defensive backfield but I would like to see us address that in the offseason via FA more than the draft. We don’t need to get the big buck guys but maybe an older guy with a couple of years left to tide us over until the young guns improve, Ratliff obviously wasn’t the answer.
by DarinS on Oct 28, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really enjoy the post and effort acrollet
But I do not think this is an accurate analysis of the tape. Like calling those two plays washes is questionable because none of us know the intent of what he is supposed to do or what is expected of him in those situations.
Also, who knows how many times he was beat in coverage but Favre didn’t see it, or vice versa how many times he had great coverage so Brett didn’t throw there.
Anyway, I appreciate the great work of going back and analyzing the plays he was involved in. Thanks!
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by Johnny_S on Oct 27, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
calling those two plays washes is questionable because none of us know the intent of what he is supposed to do or what is expected of him in those situations.
doesn’t that apply to most of the analysis we do on here, this being a fan site?
Also, who knows how many times he was beat in coverage but Favre didn’t see it, or vice versa how many times he had great coverage so Brett didn’t throw there
Without coach’s tape, it’s pretty hard to answer those questions…
by acrollet on Oct 27, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn’t that apply to most of the analysis we do on here, this being a fan site?
I was more saying a long the lines of did LeBeau really want him to give that much cushion? Or was Gay aware that the guy was quicker/faster and didn’t want to give something long up? I just don’t like calling a 7 yard gain in single coverage a “wash”.
Without coach’s tape, it’s pretty hard to answer those questions…
That’s my point. This analysis is rather misleading and makes Gay seem like he made more correct decisions than wrong ones, when it could be the complete opposite. Who knows… Anyway, I think being beat 5 times in a game should still be a cause for concern.
I think the fact that Gay was being targeted speaks volumes by itself. Minnesota clearly saw something in game tape that had them favor him. What happens when teams watch this game tape and realize what the Vikings figured out? And what if that teams QB isn’t 40 and his WRs are more elite?
I’m not saying we should pull Gay, because I don’t know if we have any better options. However, I do think we should start working in the rookies a bit, because Gay does not seem to be the long term solution as our #2 CB.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 27, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My assumption is that the amount of cushion the corners give the WRs is determined by the coaches and scheme, and not their personal preference/decisions. Without a chance to ask the parties involved, we’ll never know. Most people seem to agree that the D’s scheme is built on taking away the run and the big play, and is vulnerable to the short passing game. This philosophy is probably based on the fact that most QBs complete under 70% of their passes, and counts on inevitable mistakes. That’s what I based my conclusions on, and of course you’re free to disagree, this being a free country :)
Favre threw 51(!) passes in this game – there are going to be completions and tackles made. As I pointed out above, Ike Taylor’s stat line didn’t look significantly better – I haven’t looked to see if the 7 passes over 5 yards completed to his man look better than what Gay was doing. Gay didn’t give up any TDs, and only two long completions. (one when he got bowled over by AP, the other on his cornerback blitz) My main point is this – his game seems to be about what you’d expect from your #2 corner going against a HoF QB with 51 attempts on the day. If the position can be upgraded, I’m all for that, but I just don’t think he had a terrible day and will get relentlessly exploited for huge plays for the rest of the year.
by acrollet on Oct 27, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting beat 5 times in a game....
Favre completed how many passes? 34?
It’s the NFL, and all the QB’s and WR’s (even the ones in Cleveland) are great, great atheletes, and they’re going to get their completions. Gay played his position, didn’t give up any TD’s or absurdely big plays, made the tackles he was supposed to make, and limited himself to only a handful of “mistakes”. Not too bad for a 1st year starter, playing against a HOF QB on a (previously) undeafeated team, methinks!
Like acrollet says, check out Ike’s stat line, and he’s our #1!
Is Gay the weak link? Maybe he is, and while there’s always room for improvement, it’s still a pretty stout chain we have for a defense!
by PonchoBrew on Oct 27, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st year starter? This is Gay’s 3rd year, and I don’t think he started as a rookie.
Anyway, you cannot compare Ike to Gay in any game, since Ike is always guarding the best receiver and natural 1st option. And this is like when I stupidly compared Mendenhall’s fumble to Ward’s fumble. Ike has shown he is a great corner, Gay has not. Gay needs to show me a good game against a good offense before I think he is the answer…yet.
And lastly, our rush defense is very stout, our pass defense could do better.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 27, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st year starter...
As in first year starting, I assume.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Oct 27, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, thanks for the clarification...
Johnny, I agree our pass D could be better. But so could our run D. So could our special teams, Oline, running game, etc. et al. There’s always room for improvement in every player in every aspect of the game.
I just dont think Gay sucks as badly as you do is all. And I don’t think there’s anyone substantially better on our roster to fill his spot. He’s got the tools, the teammates, and the coaches to move him from “serviceable” to “better than average”.
Besides, if he wasn’t our weak link, who would we be discussing? ; )
by PonchoBrew on Oct 27, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gay sucks as badly as you do is all
I never said he “sucked”. I just said I don’t think he is good enough to be our #2 CB. He was great as #3 and I wouldn’t mind having him in that role.
And I agree there is no one better on the roster, yet. That is why I suggest we start working in the two rookies and see how they can do with some game experience.
Besides, if he wasn’t our weak link, who would we be discussing? ; )
Can’t we just be perfect, or am I asking too much? Haha
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by Johnny_S on Oct 27, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never been a fan of the cushion...
I prefer to see the receivers hit at the line, something to knock off the rhythym somehow. That being said, there are quite a few big guys out there (Andre Johson, Fitzgerald, Boldin, etc.) who eat that up and/or fight through it. I think there is always going to be one side that gets picked on, and because Taylor is so strong, Gay is the one they’ll go after.
I think he’s doing fine, and at least he’s making tackles – not a soft guy out on that island. Let’s also remember that part of why McFadden was expendable was because Gay played well in his absence last year. Part of that good playing was due to the pass rush LY that was so dominant, that’s just starting to get warmed up this year. As the rush gets better, so will Gay’s play.
Great write up/post…..
by dawgs144 on Oct 27, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
allowing the receiver to catch the ball underneath is ok under the bend but don’t break philosophy as long as you make the tackle. But not in the 4th quarter when we’re protecting a slim lead. We need to be aggressive with the 2 and 3 receivers if we can and double the best receiver. We shouldn’t have to rely on our redzone defense every time because we let them dink and dunk their way down field with 3:00 left
by qwikdoc on Oct 27, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think the truly worrisome stat here is..
the fact that J Reed’s kickoff landed at the 27. I’m a huge opponent of those short pop fly kickoffs. I say kick it deep and take your chances. What are the odds Harvin brings 2 kicks back for TDs…?
by theatrain on Oct 27, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not only are his kicks short, they have no appreciable hang time. Their returner gets the ball on the 15 and still has 10-20 yard cushion before our coverage gets to him
by qwikdoc on Oct 27, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ed Bouchette's perspective:
Man_Darino: Boy, it sure seemed like the Vikes’ game plan going in to Sunday was run, pass and generally attack William Gay. The amount of success Favre had leads me to believe we’re going to see that every week until the Steelers can stop it. Is this the difference between what a bigger/more aggressive McFadden brought to the position vs. a smaller William Gay? What are Lebeau’s options to stop it?
Ed Bouchette: The did go after William Gay a lot and he expects that with Ike Taylor on the other side. He’s the best option they have at corner. Any time you lose a good player like McFadden you lose something, but he did alternate with Gay last season.
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by acrollet on Oct 27, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Post
My impression after the game was that Gay was the weakest link but your review has somewhat changed my opinion.
It was pretty frustrating to see LeBeau line Gay up so far off the line and it was clearly a strategy that they intended to employ as long as it kept away deeper passes. I’m a PSU fan and it felt like I was watching a secondary for a while. I assume the gameplan probably contributed to the feeling that Gay was not doing well while in reality he was following orders. I’m not sure I believe it was a good gameplan to employ considering how effectively Minn was at moving the ball in key drives late but I guess the bend but don’t break won out in the end this time.
by 16andCounting on Oct 27, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Give Gay some time
It’s his first year starting, and lets not forget that Ike Taylor had his fair share of woes when he first took the field full time, and look where he is now (granted he hasn’t been on his A game of late). I don’t ever think Willie will be an all-pro corner, but much like McFadden, he can be really solid. I’m sure it was mentioned above, but he made a beautiful and game-saving deflection/ near interception on Sidney Rice as Favre looked his way deep down field late in the game.
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by HighSchoolSteeler on Oct 27, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus, he busted the best dance moves on the podium after the victory parade
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Dr Del,
That was tripping blah, blah, blah!
Too Bad for you that the Vikings led by Favre will win Super Bowl XLIV!
No Super Bowl for the Steelers this season!
by REVENGE4FAVRE on Oct 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but...
You have to say the guy is unfortunately named…
At the risk of going all Larry Johnson… hearing things like:
“And Gay hits Harvin from behind…:
“Gay got his hand in there…”
“that Gay guy came in jumped on the pile…”
I mean…. really…
by MarkJoel66 on Oct 28, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hee hee hee. Someone got beat and is sure pissed off. You’re lucky our peach fuzz kicker let you off the hook last week. Tell Chester to grow some hands and maybe find some O-linemen who can run after INT’s without fainting. I’ve seen less confused cattle in The Far Side comic strips.
by raven on Oct 28, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Raven
These ass clowns have been entertaining me since Sunday. Looking forward to our two big games this year against you guys….
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