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Greatest catch in Steelers history, Santions' Catch over Immaculate!!

           Which catch do you think is the greatest? All the old boys still go with the Immaculate. No suprise there, but I don't think they give Santonios' a chance. I think Santonios' Catch is not only the greatest in Pittsburgh Steelers history, but all time NFL history!

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          I receive the Sporting News, and in it they surveyed 20 former Steelers. They ask all sorts of questions. The first of which was as follows......... BETTER CATCH: FRANCOS' OR SANTONIOS'

                                     FRANCOS'                    15

                                     SANTONIOS'                   3

                                     TO CLOSE TO CALL         1       

           Now 15 out of 20 is 75%, right? Can it be that 75% of Steeler nation still believe that the Immaculate was a greater catch than Santonios' Catch? Please, do not get me wrong, the Immaculate Reception was great. Truly "IMMACULATE". The shoestring catch, no time left, boost a dynasty, and all that great stuff. Seen it a million times and always puts a smile on my face, could see it a million more. Hopefully that 75% goes up along with the number surveyed. I think Santonios' Catch is head and shoulders above the Immaculate Reception. Here's my case.

           Well, for one, Santonios' Catch was pure skill, both the catch and the throw(beautiful placement of the ball by Big Ben). Immaculate was all luck. Santonios' Catch brought my beloved team 6, countem, 6 Super Bowl rings. Immaculate got us to the AFC title game, which was big at the time, we done nothing as a franchise up till then. The drive leading up to Santonios' Catch, made it a great game, the catch and Big Bens throw made it one of the greatest games in NFL history! Super Bowls included. The drive in the 72" division game was going nowhere fast. Most of all, Santonios' Catch was on the biggest stage in the whole world, Super Bowl XLIII, millions of people watching all over the world. 43 ticks left on the clock, and a Super Bowl on the line,CLUTCH MAN!!!! I heard that some TV fans didn't get to see the Immaculate do to blackout.

          Maybe it's just how old you are. To those folks back in that 72" divisional game, the Immaculate Reception will always be the greatest play, let alone the greatest catch to them no matter what happened in the past or in the future of the Piitsburgh Steelers, and nothing will ever change there minds.

         I guess I can relate. What I saw on Feb. 1 2009, at around 10pm, was the greatest catch and the greatest play in Pittsburgh Steelers history. No matter what happen in the past or what will happend in the future...... and nothing will every my change my mind!!!!!

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I think as a fan you are entitled to think anything you want.

So with that being said, believe all you want.

As far as the Steelers franchise, that catch won the game against theRaiders, won our first playoff game, and in the feelings of the players of the organization that would go on to win 4 Super Bowls that decade, it was the turning point.

In my mind, the immaculate reception was the greatest reception in franchise history. Improbable. Our own owner, the Chief, was on his way to the locker room and didn’t even see the play…he was thinking of a few words to console his team.

Santonio’s…It delivered our 6th championship. We had another try if that pass didn’t make it. It wasn’t “Do or Die.” In my mind, that’s simply the biggest measuring stick, as well as the fact we were without any type of championship at the point Franco took that ball in. Fans rushed the field after that catch. After Santonio’s catch? Referee’s rushed to the replay booth.

"If I could start my life all over again, I would be a professional football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler." -- #58

by __.58.__ on Oct 27, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Franco

Gotta agree with .58.
I’m one of those older fans (since the 50’s), and my reasoning is as follows:

Santonio’s catch was spectacular, great throw, perfect positioning, but as I see it again, it only remains great for me because of the emotion that goes along with it. It’s not the kind of catch I would want to watch again and again because of the “wow” factor, but rather because of the situation. Any catch that had won the Super Bowl, even a more routine grab, would have nearly the same emotional impact – a winning Super Bowl catch! And remember, he didn’t catch the previous pass. There have been other similar catches in the end zone, some with players leaning over the line, but of course the situations were different, and it is not, as you say, “the greatest in… …all time NFL history!” in terms of skill.

I think, 1steelersfan, you are letting your emotions get the best of you. Think of Mazeroski’s home run. Nothing spectacular as far as the hit went, but the situation, and the emotions that are carried along with it, put it at the top of all Pirates’ hits.

If I want to watch a great Steelers’ catch, I can’t think of many that are as much fun to watch as Lynn Swann’s acrobatic Super Bowl catch. That’s a catch I could watch over and over again, and the situation is not important. If that catch had come at any other time in any other situation, it would still be a joy to see again and again.

The measuring stick for me is absolutely the uniqueness of Franco’s reception. We’ve all seen catches similar to Santonio’s, but who has ever seen a catch that comes anywhere close to Franco’s? And as .58. points out, you do have the "Do or Die" factor, so historically I would have to say Franco’s is definitely the greatest. The difference between hoping for that first ring, as opposed to winning the sixth, is night and day.

As a side note, Rooney wasn’t the only one who missed it. A friend of mine was at the game and he missed it too (probably drinking in the Allegheny Club). I went to almost every game that year, with him, but for some reason didn’t go to that one… I went the following week though.

by Steelin' on Oct 27, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel like pullin a Stephen Colbert

Santonios catch, Great catch? Or Greatest catch?

I’ll put you down for great.

by Mechem on Oct 28, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's A Tie.

I saw both of them and the ‘goose bump’ level remains extraordinary high for both. Two different eras. Two different situations. Two phenomenal catches!!

by tjc on Oct 28, 2009 1:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Santon's

I think this depends on your defininition of “greatest”. To some (me), greatest means the catch that required the most skill in the most important situation possible. To others, greatest means most improbable and significant to the franchise. Under the second definition, the immaculate reception has to be the answer.

However, the skill and timeliness involved in Santonio’s (really, guys don’t make catches all the time to win even regular season games with both toes perfectly inside the line, catch the ball with the tips of their fingertips and perfectly maintain possession throughout). I guess what impresses me most is that despite the current strict interpretation of a catch (maintaining possesion throughout etc) and the fact that the play has been dissected from every angle on replay, there has been no evidence showing he didn’t execute the catch to perfection. All of that on the biggest stage and for all the marbles nonetheless.

by 16andCounting on Oct 28, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This could ...

go either way. I would say that Franco’s catch wasn’t all luck. Try making that shoestring catch on the run, bent over. Baby, that takes some athletic skill. Now, if the discussion is on the catch, then the throw and all that other BS is immaterial. two great catches to be sure.

by tenthmtnman on Oct 28, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Franco: Because he kept hustling, the play came to him.....

As he told me on the sideline moments after the catch, he was back to block and when Bradshaw threw the pass, he headed over in that direction so that maybe he could block somebody.

The play was downfield, but he didn’t quit, and because he didn’t quit, when the ball took an unexpected carom, he was there. And he made a helluva play picking it off his shoetops at full speed, heading down the sidelines like an unstoppable freight train.

As Noll told us after the game in the locker room, “Franco made that play because he kept hustling. Good things happen to people who hustle.”

Not to take anything away from ‘Tone, or from Swannie’s acrobatic masterpiece in the Super Bowl, but Franco reversed 40 years of frustration by doing more on that play than had been drawn up on the playbook.

I hate it when modern players preen and prance and style (yeah, I seethed when my guy Wallace did his dive into the end zone on Sunday). Too often, they end up like Plaxico, spinning the ball before the play is over, or Leon Lett (nuff said), or Gus Frerotte knocking his empty head against the concrete wall.

Give me Franco Harris and hustle every time.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Oct 28, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On wallace

Just a note, it was the teammates he said that gave him crap about his first TD and not doing much of anything. The kids got a level head, you can tell. He doesn’t do any gay first down celebrations and he holds onto the ball.

If you wanna dive into the endzone thats totally fine by me.

by Mechem on Oct 28, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...Wallace is super special...Love everything about the rooke....

Works his butt off, keeps his mouth shut, and has contributed more as a Steeler rookie than anyone in recent years. That’s why the swan dive into the end zone surprised me. I seethed, but kept my mouth shut.

I’ve seen too many bad things happen when players start stylin’ and especially to those who begin their celebrations on the five yard line.

A leap into the stands and giving the football to someone wearing your number is Steeler tradition, and we subscribe to tradition, not showboating.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Oct 28, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares?

They are both great. Why does one have to be better than the other?

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by Johnny_S on Oct 28, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Because then we can remind ourselves of how lucky we are to be Steelers fans!

Debates like this serve a purpose to remember that we were oh so good in two different eras.

I for one love that!

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Oct 28, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with 1steelerfan

Santonio’s catch, IMO, is the best catch in NFL history, and Steeler history. Franco’s was the best turning point, yes. But Santonio’s was far more difficult than any other than David Tyree’s. Tyree’s didn’t win the Super Bowl, tho. Neither did Franco’s. Here, I’ll put it alone so you can get a clearer picture:

Santonio’s catch won a championship.

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 28, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For sheer skill

the best catch I’ve seen by a Steeler was Troy’s one-handed interception in ‘08, where he got his hand under a ball that was just inches off the turf. I’ve seen hundreds of variations on Santonio’s catch (admittedly none that I enjoyed as much), but never one quite like Troy’s. Also, the greatest catch by a Steeler reciever IMO was not Swann’s falling down catch in Super Bowl X, but the one on the sideline where it should have been impossible for him to come down with both feet inbounds.

I agree that Franco’s catch itself did not require as much skill as the combination of Ben’s throw and Santonio’s catch. But the total improbability of that entire play, which was a combination of incredible luck, great hustle, a possible blown call (at least from Madden’s perspective), good (Frency, Franco) vs. evil (Jack Tatum), no downs remaining, and what it meant historically to the Steeler franchise and the NFL (the dawn of a dynasty) makes the Immaculate Reception the number one Steeler PLAY of all time.

by MelBlunt on Oct 28, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup
Also, the greatest catch by a Steeler reciever IMO was not Swann’s falling down catch in Super Bowl X, but the one on the sideline where it should have been impossible for him to come down with both feet inbounds.


Absofrigginlutely!

by PonchoBrew on Oct 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree with you on that.

No way Swann should have been able to come down in bounds. This will always be an interesting topic, although I think it needs to be divided into best catch based on the physical skill needed to make it, and best catch based on the impact it had. I don’t want to minimize Tones SB winning catch, it was a great catch that was perfectly executed, but you could put a highlight reel of Swann’s greatest catches and come up with at least 10-15 that would easily beat it on a skill level standpoint. Every once in awhile someone runs a special on great WR’s and as they show some of his catches I have to think he was even more amazing than it seemed back then.

by DarinS on Oct 28, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The catches overall...

By terms of sheer technical difficulty, and not importance to the game whatsoever, I award best catch I’ve ever seen to Troy Polamalu’s fingertip grab in Chargers 1 last year.

As far as most epic catch, the Immaculate Reception STILL wins.

I say this because, mainly, if Tone’ drops his great catch in SB43, we still have another shot, and a shot at OT. And he missed the catch before, which would have made his great one non-existent.

by Mechem on Oct 28, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Santonio's Catch

In terms of the skill needed to make Santonio’s catch, Sidney Rice of the Minnesota Vikings caught a very similar pass this last Sunday. I grant you it was not in the end zone to win the Super Bowl.

Also, there is the impact of time and perception, here. Santonio’s catch was 9 months ago, Franco’s was 37+ years ago. Come back to this question in 2 years and then see if your perceptions are the same.

by whogastim on Oct 28, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How can

Santonio’s catch in the Super Bowl even be compaired to Franco’s Immaculate Reception? The Immaculate Reception is the BENCHMARK….the HALLMARK….play of the entire NFL. Come on……Come on……really? “It’s caught out of the air….by Franco Harris……” You’re excuse for people choosing that….rather “oldtimers” choosing that is because nothing can ever compare to it just because? Other than being a great catch in the Super Bowl…..that catch won’t even compair as history continues onward to the Immaculate Reception…..it doesn’t even have a name. Just a great catch that won the SB and lucky for him and for the Steelers that a penalty wasn’t called for his “LeBronism” at the end of that play…….otherwise the Steelers might be sitting here today with just 5 SB’s and not 6.

by baabaablacksheep on Oct 28, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

Santonio’s was a great catch that won a SuperBowl. I’d compare it to the Immaculate Reception, even if i’d still put it below.

by mojo88 on Oct 29, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no comparison

Santonio’s was a great catch…..but the game still wasn’t over……the Steelers weren’t out of the woods yet……You’re telling me if the Steelers went on to lose that catch is still the greatest Steelers catch? It’s not the greatest Steelers catch or play for that matter or second greatest or third. I’d say Big Ben’s tackle is the second greatest play in Steelers history and Harrison’s record breaking 99 yd INT is third…..then either Swan’s catch or Santonio’s…. Franco’s created a movement…..instilled a decade long rivalry…..was the final play of the game……became the face of the NFL…….was the beginning of the greatest football dynasty in the history of the NFL. What comparison?

by baabaablacksheep on Oct 29, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if Tone drops that ball, maybe we win maybe we don’t. I’m not going to argue the semantics of game winning catch. I think it’s a catch that wins a SuperBowl, you don’t. Whatever.

Big Ben’s tackle is the second greatest play? What part? The fumble? The fact that even despite the tackle, Indy still should have at least tied the game? If you want to argue that the game still wasn’t over, if Harper returns that to the house, whose to say Ben doesn’t complete a x yard play to y for the win?

I wouldn’t call Franco’s catch the beginning of the greatest dynasty. I’d go back to the 1969 draft when Steelers selected Mean Joe as that moment. Franco’s catch happened, the Steelers went on to lose to the Dolphins the next week, IIRC. Secondly, the catch started 35 years of Raiders fans whinging about getting screwed by the NFL

by mojo88 on Oct 29, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read the book

THE FIFTY GREATEST PLAYS IN STEELERS FOOTBALL HISTORY……1. Immaculate Reception 2. Big Ben’s Tackle 3. Swan’s Catch…….of course this past SB hadn’t been played yet……..but we’ve got some pretty good reference points. Santonio’s catch happens a couple dozen times a year every single year in the NFL…..Cris Carter’s made that catch how many times? John Stallworth’s made that catch…..no names have made that catch…..Santonio just made it in the SB. There were a lot of different elements and moving parts that had to happen just so in order for the Immaculate Reception to happen…..same thing for Big Ben’s Tackle…..only Franco’s play was the last play of the game the rest could have had different outcomes if the play hadn’t been made so you’re right…..who’s to say. I’d argue that Harrison’s play would rank either 2nd or 3rd all time in Steelers history…..look at all that went on in that play. Harrison had to disregard what he was supposed to do because he recalled seeing that play just weeks before and because he blitzed he was burned for a TD….this time on his own accord he drops back and the rest is history…..NFL history for that matter. Without that play the Steelers would need A LOT more than Santonio’s catch to win that SB. We’re talking about a 14 point turnaround on one play.

by baabaablacksheep on Oct 29, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Franco's Catch - In Historical Context

I’m not saying anything negative about Holmes’ catch, but to understand the Immaculate Reception, you have to put it into historical context.

This was a team that had not won a playoff game in the 40 year history of the franchise. For comparison, take the Brownie’s recent history of ineptitude and multiply that by 4. We were the sad-sack, snake bit franchise of the NFL. And when Kenny Stabler scrambled 30 yards to score with little time left, every fan in Pittsburgh sighed. Fate had spit on the Steelers again. Yet another heartbreaking loss for a loser of a franchise in a city that was on the decline.

Then Franco made the catch. I don’t want to over-dramatize it, but the Immaculate Reception was Pittsburgh’s own “Miracle on Ice”. It was the moment everything else became possible.

That’s why it remains the best catch and/or play in Steeler history and why it can never be equaled or surpassed. You just can’t duplicate the circumstances around the play.

by Blackadar on Oct 29, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It's okay to disagree here

They are both great catches, no doubt. Both will live forever in the hearts of Steeler fans. People are going to have different opinions, that’s a good thing. I’m not trying to force my opinion on anyone, just saying that Santonio’s catch that WON THE SUPER BOWL is the best play that I have ever seen. Others will say the Franco catch was the best. There is no wrong answer here. I understand the magnitude of the IR, Santonio’s was just better — more skill involved on both sides (Ben and Tone).

Ben’s tackle was a great moment, too. Definetly an all-time great play.

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 29, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Anytime you compare anything and say which is the greatest, you will never have everyone lineup and say, yup, that’s it, the greatest, no question.

by DarinS on Oct 29, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

12/23/72

the greatest catch in NFL history…

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Oct 29, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn! That was beautiful

If John Madden ends up in hell, this will be playing on an endless loop.

by MelBlunt on Oct 29, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now you have really done it.LOL

The whole NFL brings it a lot more, hard enough to say it was the greatest steelers catch. If we are talking most impactful, I would have to say Harrison’s interception and subsequent return because that was a 14(counting extra points) point catch. If he doesn’t get in the way, barring another miracle, that would have been a Arizona touchdown. If he does’t make it, we are lining up for a onside kick after Tones great catch. Franco’s was huge and yes I am old enough to have watched it(barely) and one could make a point that it was the most impactful catch of all time for the Steelers. For the entire NFL though, I would have to say Dwight Clark’s TD in the ‘82 NFC championship was every bit as impactful to that franchise, maybe even more since they obviously went to and won the Super Bowl that year, as Franco’s was to us.

by DarinS on Oct 29, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way......

Michael Jenkins made that catch last night against the Saints in the 4th quarter……..same catch as Holmes. Just wasn’t in the endzone or in the SB. Those last two tidbits don’t equate enough to bypass Franco or Swan for that matter.

by baabaablacksheep on Nov 3, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

in your opinion

In mine, Santonio’s catch is the best CATCH in NFL history….Deebo’s play is the best PLAY in NFL history. Michael Jenkins (who??, lol) made a catch in a Monday Night game in the regular season.

Franco’s catch was the best TURNING POINT for the Steeler franchise, and you can certainly make a case for biggest moment in franchise history. I think winning the 6th ring and becoming the winningest team ever in the sport is the biggest moment, though.

It’s not like people are saying Franco’s catch wasn’t awesome – it was awesome.

It’s a matter of opinion.

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Nov 3, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In the word's of Sonny Bono

And the beat goes on. This will never be answered with even most agreeing on this one or that. Wording is everything though, call Franco’s the most important play in terms of what it did for the franchise, call Tone’s greatest SB Touchdown catch, Call Swann’s the most beautiful catch, Call Deebo’s the greatest defensive play in SB history and everyone(I almost used caps)can pretty much agree with that.

by DarinS on Nov 3, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Keep meaning to ask, where in the south are you stuck?

by DarinS on Nov 3, 2009 11:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Memphis

10 miles outside it anyway

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Nov 4, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

No way, I live in the dirty dova, I am always amazed at how much black and gold I see around town.

by DarinS on Nov 4, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Dova, that's so funny

We lived in Country Squire and Woodchase before we moved here (Southaven). Germantown Parkway is a madhouse in the morning. I do miss TJ Mulligan’s though, and 24 hour McDonald’s after drinking all night.

Yeah, it seems like every other car around town with flags is sporting Steeler ones. Always good to meet a fellow Steeler fan. Do you ever go to Fox and Hound for the games? I used to, but watch at home now.

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Nov 5, 2009 6:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No White Castle's? Man you're missing out!

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Nov 5, 2009 7:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Krystals

Basically the same as the castle, although having had both, I am not sure if I would call it missing out. LOL

by DarinS on Nov 5, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You have to put mustard and ketchup on them!

Late night…they are a delight.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Nov 5, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Once in awhile

I usually watch them at home, unless it isn’t on. We should go to the F&H sometime, maybe not this game but the one after. Always good to enjoy the game with someone who is a fan as well.

by DarinS on Nov 5, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm down

Let me know. I don’t think the Bengals game will be on here, the Titans play at the same time that day. Sad how they forcefeed us a team that no one around here likes. I’m tired of having to watch Eli and the Giants, too.

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Nov 5, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I here ya

Funny there are way more Steeler fans than titan fans here but it’s TN so that is all we get to see. I’ll get a hold of you on here as we get closer, maybe split the difference and go to the one on Sanderlin?

by DarinS on Nov 5, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Definetly Sanderlin

That’s where the Steeler club meets. Have you been by there yet this year? The Steeler Club has the entire left side of the building now. It’s usually standing room only, so you have to get there early, like 10:00, to get a good seat. They have awesome drink specials just for the Steeler room, too. Prety sweet.

Oh, and you’re right about the first part, I would bet that there are more Steelers, Cowboys AND Colts fans here than Titans fans.

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Nov 5, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

John Stallworth

Caught a pass on his back Vs. the JETS once….does that count?

Ron Paul was Right.

by Steelchamps !! on Nov 4, 2009 1:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cool

Sounds good, I haven’t been there for a game yet, if I go it is usually to the one on G’town.
I’ll plan on it for the Bungles game.

by DarinS on Nov 5, 2009 7:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs


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