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Another Reason to Argue for Hines Ward's HOF Candidacy

Earlier this week, maryrose blessed us with this excellent post on Hines Ward's growing claim to HOF consideration. The only thing he did not highlight in that post was Hines's excellent ranking in terms of playoff receiving stats. I had written this post a couple of weeks ago (and drinkyourmilkshake linked it in a Six Pack), but Blitz and I thought it would be a good followup to 'rose's fine piece. Hope you enjoy it as much as I enjoyed maryrose's.

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Many Pittsburgh Steelers fans are already convinced that Hines Ward deserves to be inducted in the Pro Football Hall of Fame when he retires. Currently, in his 12th season in the NFL, he is ranked 17th in career receptions, 31st in career receiving yards, and tied for 28th in career receiving TDs. Some would, and have, argued that he doesn't have HOF worthy statistics, and you can't just say he should be in because he is the greatest blocking receiver in NFL history. If he retired today, and that were the extent of his accomplishments, I would agree. But, he should play another 3 or more years, including this season. Currently, he is on pace for about 100 receptions and over 1400 yards this season. Although he has yet to catch a TD pass this year, based on his productivity in past years, it's reasonable expect at least 5 receiving TDs this season. Those numbers would put him at 11th in career receptions, 22nd or 23rd in career receiving yards, and 22nd or 23rd in career TD receptions. Just a couple more years of what would be mediocre production for Ward would put him in the top 10 in every receiving category.

I think that those numbers would be enough to get him in when you consider his other accomplishments: 2 Super Bowl rings (more to come?), a SB MVP, and a rule named after him. When the NFL Network announced the most recent round of HOF candidates a couple of weeks ago, they had two HOF voters on the show. One said that she believed that a major consideration for whether a player is HOF worthy is whether you could tell the story of the NFL without them or not. I think it's clear that you cannot tell the story of the NFL without Hines Ward. His blocking down the field is so physical that they had to change the rules because of the hit he put on Keith Rivers in the 2008 season, breaking his jaw. The hit was legal then. Anyway, that was a long introduction to get to my latest piece of evidence in favor of Hines Ward being HOF worthy.

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Over at Pro-Football-Reference.com, they have added an awesome new set of tools under their Play Index page. Under the Player Game Finder, you can run queries for a variety of lists, but the one that interested me the most right now is query that allowed me to list all players with greater than 1000 career playoff receiving yards. This just happened to show the top 10 WRs in playoff receiving yards.

 
Rk Player G W L Rec Yds Y/R TD
1 Jerry Rice 28 17 11 151 2245 14.87 22
2 Michael Irvin* 16 12 4 87 1315 15.11 8
3 Cliff Branch 19 15 4 73 1289 17.66 5
4 Andre Reed 19 10 9 85 1229 14.46 9
5 Fred Biletnikoff* 16 9 7 70 1167 16.67 10
6 Paul Warfield* 18 11 7 58 1121 19.33 5
7 Drew Pearson 22 13 9 67 1105 16.49 8
8 Hines Ward 14 10 4 76 1064 14 8
9 Art Monk* 15 10 5 69 1062 15.39 7
10 John Stallworth* 17 12 5 57 1054 18.49 12

 

As we can see, Hines Ward is one of only 10 WRs in NFL history with over 1000 receiving yards in the playoffs. He is 8th on this list, and that is with the fewest number of playoff games played. As you can see here, he is also tied for 8th in playoff TD receptions. And, here you see that is tied for 4th in playoff receptions. He also compares very well with these players in terms of yards per game, ranked 3rd:

 
Player Y/G Rk
Michael Irvin* 82.19 1
Jerry Rice 80.18 2
Hines Ward 76 3
Fred Biletnikoff* 72.94 4
Art Monk* 70.8 5
Cliff Branch 67.84 6
Andre Reed 64.68 7
Paul Warfield* 62.28 8
John Stallworth* 62 9
Drew Pearson 50.23 10

 

And, in receiving playoff touchdowns per game, ranked 4th:

 
Player TD/G Rk
Jerry Rice 0.79 1
John Stallworth* 0.71 2
Fred Biletnikoff* 0.63 3
Hines Ward 0.57 4
Michael Irvin* 0.5 5
Andre Reed 0.47 6
Art Monk* 0.47 7
Drew Pearson 0.36 8
Paul Warfield* 0.28 9
Cliff Branch 0.26 10

 

He does come in last in this list in terms of yards/reception:

 
Player Y/R Rk
Paul Warfield* 19.33 1
John Stallworth* 18.49 2
Cliff Branch 17.66 3
Fred Biletnikoff* 16.67 4
Drew Pearson 16.49 5
Art Monk* 15.39 6
Michael Irvin* 15.11 7
Jerry Rice 14.87 8
Andre Reed 14.46 9
Hines Ward 14 10

 

But, considering this list, I don't think that's a knock on him. Anyway, for Hines Ward to be included in this list shows that although he has not put up the monster numbers of some of his contemporaries, like Randy Moss and Terrell Owens, he has been extremely productive in the playoffs for the Steelers. As Terry Bradshaw, Lynn Swann and John Stallworth can attest, the playoffs are where you really make your mark on the NFL, unless you're Dan Marino, throwing for numbers nobody thought possible at one time.

 Add to this the fact that it's highly likely that Hines Ward would have higher receiving totals if he had played on a team that threw the ball more in his career, and his Hall Fame credentials are very solid in my mind. I may be a homer here, but I do believe that the accomplishments and playoff numbers support it very well.

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The nail in the coffin?

Hope so…These charts also let you know how great John Stallworth was, for those who never saw him…Hines does have a couple TD catches this year…I also have even more respect fnow or Belitnikoff; always knew he was great, but never knew the numbers…Thanks Wolf…This must be Hines Appreciation Week, which he indeed deserves.,..

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Oct 29, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

We could hope

When he become eligible, we should re-run these posts, with updated numbers of course. But, yeah, I’ve been thinking about where he ranked in playoff numbers since they announced in the SD playoff game last year that Hines passed 1000 yards in the playoffs. Then PFR.com added the capabilibity of finding out. :)

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 30, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

MR, I have to ask

Can you still sit down after all the kissin’ you got this week? ;)

Wolfpack – I read this on your blog the other week. Good stuff. It is pretty amazing what Hines has done with only 14 playoff games under his belt.

by Varmint on Oct 30, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Yeah, he’s made the most of his opportunities.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 30, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, folks have been overly kind. I’ve done a nice job of not yet exposing my ignorance. I hope I can keep that up.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Oct 31, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

But Ward is a unique kind of receiver.

None of the guys on that list could do what Ward does every week on the football field. He’s not just a receiver, he’s a complete football player in every offfensive phase of the game. At times, he plays more like a tight end and at other times he’s more like a running back. Yeah, we’ve seen better pure WRs playing for teams that passed a lot more than the Steelers. Hines may never reach those lofty stats. But even if he retires tomorrow, it would be a crime to keep this guy out of the Hall.

by Billy52 on Oct 29, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions  

one against the Lions…the other against the Browns

Geek of the Steelers nation!!!

by steelthunder75 on Oct 30, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

oops

that got cut off…he’s got two passes for Td’s against the Lions and Browns this season

Geek of the Steelers nation!!!

by steelthunder75 on Oct 30, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hines has a TD this year...

But yes given 3 more years, cant see why he cant go all the way to the hall.

by Mechem on Oct 30, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Is it just me?

Or is it nice to see the occasional WR statistic list that Jerry Rice is not #1 on.

Nice post as usual Wolfpack

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by John Stephens on Oct 30, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Too bad

it has to be Irvin who’s number 1 on one of them.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 30, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Irvin

Who is worse to watch in pregame/halftime analysis Michael Irvin, Shannon Sharpe, or Keyshawn Johnson?

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by John Stephens on Oct 30, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't know

I love Shannon Sharpe, can’t stand Irvin, and never watch Keyshawn

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 30, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shannon is annoyingly boisterous for my preference. I don’t understand why he has to yell his points at me. Especially, since I always disagree with them.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by John Stephens on Oct 30, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that's a softball

It is well known that if you want to make a wrong statement right, increase the volume.

Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people. (mattyc_77 on twitter)

by BostonWahoo on Oct 30, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know he's obnoxious

but for some reason, it’s always been in a way that I found amusing. Generally, I don’t like loudmouths, so I don’t know what to say.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 30, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny how opinions vary

Shannon Sharpe is in the top 10 of all time worst analysts/commentators for me.

by jharmon64 on Oct 30, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shannon I have no idea what he is saying

"Polamalu’s lineage can be traced through several roots. Chuck Norris mated with an Amazon Queen, and on the other side, Tony Hawk mated with Mother Nature. The two children of these spawned and fused in a tantric love session to create Troy Polamalu. The mother however died as he tore through the birth canal with a spin move."
Mechem on the roots of Troy Polamalu

by WVPiratesfan on Oct 30, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I had to pick

I’d go with Keyshawn. He is terrible. He always finished dead last in their “pick-em” every year by like 20 points.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by John Stephens on Oct 30, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I dont mind Irvin actually,. He keeps it interesting. Sharpe is fine.

by Mechem on Oct 30, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

they all 3 beat boomer esiason

by theatrain on Oct 30, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not even close. Boomer does not try to talk over top of people and at least he talks with some sort of reason or discourse.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by John Stephens on Oct 30, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry but you're wrong

Rich Eisen and Dion Sanders are the worst out there. Followed closely by Boomer, Jaws and Collingsworth. Eisen is so full of his white self, never to be shadowed by Mouth (Sanders). Boomer sounds to evangelical, Jaws sounds like a used car salesman and Collingsworth just sounds stoned.

Drew Scott

by Damnscot on Oct 30, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh I forgot about Deion

He is pretty bad. I like Jaws though, he knows a lot about schemes and defenses, its pretty impressive.

You know who the worst in all of sports is though? That fake jabroni Joe Buck.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by John Stephens on Oct 30, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Collingsworth DOES sound stoned

Thats so funny soon as you said that it was a lightbulb in my head. He totally does…

The worst though, IMO, is Aikman.

by Mechem on Oct 30, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No John Madden sightings around here thats shocking

"Polamalu’s lineage can be traced through several roots. Chuck Norris mated with an Amazon Queen, and on the other side, Tony Hawk mated with Mother Nature. The two children of these spawned and fused in a tantric love session to create Troy Polamalu. The mother however died as he tore through the birth canal with a spin move."
Mechem on the roots of Troy Polamalu

by WVPiratesfan on Oct 30, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

If everyone is like my, they have blocked any memory of madden calling games

Offense may sell tickets, but defense wins championships

by canadianblackandgold on Oct 30, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean Madden didn't bother me that much

At most he made me laugh for saying blatantly obvious things. The only thing I did mind was watching him stuff/cut/eat a turducket. Gross.

" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.

by John Stephens on Oct 31, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol I had no idea Boomer was so beloved. i just don’t like him. I also dislike Jaworski. And I liked Jon Gruden at first, but he’s starting to get on my nerves.

by theatrain on Nov 6, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

And its Collinsworth, not Collingsworth, whom I also enjoy

by theatrain on Nov 6, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

hands down

how can anyone really understand the words coming out of his mouth? blu la bel ral ley da foomball

by WARDANE33 on Nov 2, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Wolfpack...

Appreciate the number crunching on our behalf. He’ll get in, how soon after retirement is the debate, not whether or not he will, and this is more evidence for why he should get in sooner than later..

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Oct 30, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, even as recently as last year, it seemed many questioned whether he had the numbers, but to me this really clinches it. And, I expect his playoff totals to increase the next couple of years.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 30, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly hope so!

Great work, by the way.

Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte

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by LV Steelers Fan on Oct 30, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 30, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not just a Hall of Famer but a 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

Red Wings-1 Max Talbot-2

by Mr.BrettKeisel on Oct 30, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

definitely a HOF

without a doubt. 2 superbowl rings and will easily get 1000 recpetions IMO. one of the toughest dudes to ever play this game. god damn i hate heinz, but they dude can ball

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Oct 31, 2009 3:11 AM EDT reply actions  

welcome back

raven has been keeping us company during your absence.

hope your self imposed sabatical cleared your head and made you realize what we over here at BTSC already knew. You LOVE the Steelers.

soften up Denver for us this week.

by 1STstate bucco on Oct 31, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't try to jinx him now! ;)

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 1, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Something you didn't mention.

Ward has done all this with a “Team First” attitude. He really doesn’t care about his personal accomplishments as much as he does about the teams accomplishments. He is truely unselfish, and yet, has gained these milestones. Never once has he taken the Prima Donna approach and lashed out screaming, ME ME ME! That speaks volumes for the man, and not the player. And, in my opinion, is also something that should be seriously considered in HOF balloting. Honestly, self-proclaiming yourself a future Hall of Famer (#85), or destroying every lockerroom you have ever been in (#81), and then NOT putting up these kind of stats???? Clearly, Heinz Ward should be a first round inductee.

When the time comes that he will no longer play it will be a sad day, not only for the Steelers but, for the NFL as a whole.

by Navydino on Nov 2, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

Great point

Yeah, I guess I had kind of taken it for granted, but you’re right. Hines has always been about the team. I don’t ever remember another great player crying after a loss because he thought it may have been a teammate’s last chance for a championship, like Hines did for the Bus after the 2004 AFCCG.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Nov 2, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

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