Pittsburgh Steelers Come Out Hungry, Eat Together, Hold Off Furious Late Charge By Chargers
What, you didn't really think it was going to be that easy for the Pittsburgh Steelers, did you? Like they've done the previous two weeks, Pittsburgh roared out of the gates in the 1st half. Only this week, the Steelers offense capitalized on their early success and marched in for touchdowns rather than settling for field goals. And for the third week in a row, the Steelers stumbled late, only this time, their stellar play to start the game, plus a game-clinching drive by their dominant offense was enough to hold on to the victory. The Steelers 38-28 win at Heinz Field was their eighth straight at home and improved the defending champions' record to 2-2 through the first quarter of the 2009 season.
My initial post-game thoughts to start the week.
* Rashard Mendenhall will get all the headlines, but the game ball here goes to the Steelers offensive line. WOW!!! Guys and gals, if the Steelers offensive line is really improving like this, then we are going to be one ridiculously scary beast of an offense. Credit goes to every last one of the big uglies - Max Starks, Chris Kemoeatu, Justin Hartwig, Trai Essex and Willie Colon. They paved the way for Mendenhall's 165 yards, opening up running lanes with stunning regularity. That's not something we've seen in a long, long time. And man, was it fun and beautiful to watch. The line also did an outstanding job in pass protection. Roethlisberger was officially sacked three times, but two of those three were those frustrating sacks Big Ben takes most games when holding on to the ball for so long. Now, it helps that San Diego was missing some key bodies and we'll have to see if the Steelers can put that type of performance together against more stout defenses. Confidence is a funny thing though, so here's hoping that they have another monster game or two in the upcoming weeks before squaring off against some of the better defenses on the schedule a bit later in the year. The bottom line is the offensive line was A+ tonight, their best game by far since the majority of them started playing together at the start of last season. Much more about them and what their improvement means to this team moving forward.
* To another unlikely hero - Bruce Arians! Congratulations to him for a superlative game plan. 33 passes for Big Ben, 36 rushing attempts. That's balance. And the running plays were well-designed and just what the doctor ordered for Rashard Mendenhall, who needed to just hit get some early confidence by putting his head down and running hard in to the hole. Arians also finally kept going to the well when things were going right. Too often, I've felt Arians has abandoned things that have been working. Not tonight. With the way Big Ben was humming, I could easily have envisioned a situation where Arians only got the ball to Mendenhall 18-22 times rather than 29. He also had some exquisitely crafted plays in the passing game, which we'll take a look at later this week. And of course, we also finally saw some well conceived razzle-dazzle when Mewelde Moore threw a touchdown pass to Heath Miller.
* Congratulations Rashard Mendenhall. Welcome to the family! Hopefully this is the first of many more to come for him in Pittsburgh. Sometimes it just takes one to get a competitor started. He's got work to do still, but it was a relief to see him finally get an opportunity and then deliver. Comment of the night from the open thread that pretty much summed up my thoughts about how hard he ran:
Rashard Mendenhall is EATING.. tomlin made him sleep with deebo in the warehouse all week.. You can tell.
* 497 yards of offense tonight for Pittsburgh. 251 for San Diego. Let that sink in. Not just for how dominant the offense was. Think about that 251 for San Diego and realize that the defense really wasn't totally to blame for the collapse late in the game that led to a flurry of Chargers points. The blame instead falls on the special teams. We don't need to point fingers because the Steelers definitely won this game behind the contributions of lots of players, but that fumble by Logan and the gaffe by Ryan Mundy were both extremely costly. We'll see if the Steelers defense is able to overcome special teams miscues and an offense that scores more field goals than touchdowns when Troy Polamalu returns, but they're decidedly not able to at the moment. Particularly not against veteran quarterbacks that don't take costly sacks or force the ball in to bad spots under pressure. Anyway, some may disagree with the ruling on Logan's fumble, but the reality is that he had no business trying to return that punt under those game circumstances. Punt returners aren't always expected to create a spark for their team with a big return. Ball protection is sometimes more valuable. Certainly when you're up 28-0. That punt was short and Logan had to catch it under-handed out in front of him. It was an impressive, clean catch but it was not the right time to try to fight for extra yards or to force anything. Big mistake there and I'm sure Tomlin will be in his ear about it.
* Let's hope Chris Kemoeatu is okay. He returned after what appeared to maybe be an unlucky and ugly knee injury. But he also got burned and had to commit a holding penalty on the next play he came in on. Then again, he blew up Chargers defenders on that final series in the running game, so hopefully he's just fine. It's not that we couldn't afford to lose Kemoeatu despite how great he's been playing. It's just that this line is really starting to click now that they've been playing together for some time. No time now to have that chemistry disrupted.
* Excellent to see Jeff Reed make that game clinching field goal. I was a bit perplexed about the time out taken by Coach Tomlin before the kick. Obviously the thinking is to take as much time off the clock as possible, but not sure that one or two seconds really makes much of a difference. I suppose if Reed knew that Tomlin was going to take the timeout, than whatever, makes sense. Regardless, Spikey delivered like we're so used to him doing.
* I said it in the open thread as we got the ball back up 7 for the final time that there was no way that the offense wasn't going to deliver the W for us. Too dominant all night. The commitment to the run had led to us finding something that was working over and over. Bread and butter from the running game!?! Hard to believe, I know. And then the way Big Ben was playing last night and has been playing all season..there's just no way we don't deliver one final time there and get that victory. The team, and the offense in particular, had played too well to let that one slip away. Kinda like how the defense did all of last year.
* Speaking of the defense. A nice 1st half for the Steelers once again. The Chargers had just 74 yards of offense at intermission. You hate to see the secondary get shredded again when the Chargers were in full fledged full court press mode late in the game, but hey, what can you say. First of all, San Diego's probably one of the two or three best playing from behind teams in the NFL. Philip Rivers makes a killing late in games when his team is trailing and in need of a big score. Much of the damage was done by Antonio Gates, who's a nightmare matchup for most teams, including us when Polamalu's not playing. He made some outstanding plays that are essentially unguardable. Credit also to Vincent Jackson for making some really tough plays with Ike Taylor draped all over him. More on the defense later. It's definitely still my number one cause for concern at this point, but I do think it will continue to improve as the year goes on. And frankly, if they peak later in the year rather than in the early months, all the better. We saw our defense peak early in 2007 before crashing and burning. I think we can and will avoid that same fate. We're just not there yet.
* Hines Ward 26; Heath Miller 24; Santonio 19; Mike Wallace 14. That's four guys on pace for over 50 catches, with Hines and Heath on pace to approach the century mark. This is a scary good passing offense. Big Ben is playing absolutely great football. He's clearly got a much better understanding of what's unfolding in front of him and he's making such better decisions with the football, even from a year ago. At 27 years of age, we're just now starting to see him hit his prime years. That's really exciting stuff for Steelers fans if you ask me. Because he's already done so many great things in his career. We're only getting started though with him.
Big Ben finished 26/33 with 333 yards and 2 touchdowns. By my count, there were three drops as well that would have made him a ridiculous 29/33. Ben was the league leader in completion percentage coming in to this week, and his 79% performance Sunday night isn't going to do anything but pad his lead.
* If you ask me, it's not such a bad thing the Steelers tripped on their own feet a bit down the stretch. All that means is that Coach Tomlin has plenty of fodder this week to keep guys focused. Plenty still to work on and clean up, and when you come a bit too close for comfort to blowing a four touchdown lead, you probably can't collectively look in the mirror and feel that all's completely well. Major props to Coach Tomlin for having this team ready to play this week though, even with the late miscues. I have no doubt he'll have them ready again next week.
* 2-2 and just one game back of the Bengals and Ravens. Everything still on the table for this team at the quarter pole of the 2009 season. Let's go Steelers!
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Big play "Hines"
Look for 86 seems to work everytime. So goes #86, go the Pittsburgh Steelers. Good Job by all.
by steel-ten on Oct 5, 2009 4:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love that guy!
When he lowered his head and ran over that DB…..WOW!
by PonchoBrew on Oct 5, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now if we could just get Santonio to do that...
Instead of that stupid drop the ball 1st down celebration.
That play was the epitome of Hines Ward.
by count'em_six on Oct 5, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep kudo to hines ward too,
if willy was getting behind that full back .he would ran all over San diego. Just like menden hall had great Game too.
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by steelerfan19650511 on Oct 6, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking yesterday...
It’s a big night game, time to break out the old school black and gold jerseys..and they did not disappoint…is this the new Rashard Mendenhall? Stay tuned! The Silverback was turned loose and got two sacks and a fumble….order has been restored this week…now keep the momentum going.
by BlackandGoldSSgt on Oct 5, 2009 6:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, the D will only be getting better from here. We should be facing less experienced QBs who will be more confused by out blitz packages. And eventually you know who will be back to wreak havoc.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that
You know who
This is Pittsburgh Steeler Troy Polamalu getting knocked around by the Pacific Ocean in Hawaii yesterday...
Minutes later, Troy caught the ocean going over the middle and smacked it right in the mouth. The ocean fumbled, Troy recovered and ran it into the endzone. The ocean never messed with Troy again.
by paulamalu on Oct 5, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holmes quiet, but steady
nice to see Tone catching passes. if I recall, he had 5 passes come his way and he caught 4, with 1 an errant throw. stark contrast to the previous 2 games when he had the “hands of Ike” bug.
- Ben is on pace for more than 4700 yds passing
- nice to see Carey Davis’ game hasn’t changed
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by Throw it Ben! on Oct 5, 2009 6:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hasn't changed?
I thought Davis looked better last night than he did all of last year. Maybe that is just me.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He showed great ball awareness when he pounced on the fumble in the endzone
Even if ended up being a dead play, I was glad he didn’t give up.
by SteelersVT on Oct 5, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s only a dead play if we recover it. It ws rules a fumble, although we still could have challenged it. Anyway, agreed, great heads up play.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carey Davis
I’m not sure the tone of your Davis comment, but he was fantastic last night and actually looked like a lead blocker for once. He never brought much to the table in his first Steeler stint.
by Tim Tomczak on Oct 5, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE MAN IN CHARGE...
I agree, Blitz, that the balance in the passing game was really impressive. Ben has some weapons, and he does not discriminate! I loved the command he showed all night. Recognizing blitzes and changing protections, finding his third and sometimes fourth option, moving deftly about the pocket as he does. He held on to the ball too long a few times but we’ve grown to live with that. All in all he was truly THE MAN IN CHARGE.
That said, it’s a lot easier to be THE MAN IN CHARGE when the o-line performs as well as it did. What a pleasure to watch Ben cooly go through his progressioon reads and Mendenhall rip through holes without the OL scrambling to block people like it’s some sort of Chinese fire drill. To echo Blitz, if the OL continues to grow together, this will be a scary, scary offense!
Last thought: Bruce Arians, I apologize for all of the times I ripped you on this site (and to my friends, my students, my dog, the dude at the toll booth, the security guard at the mall). You had an A+ evening. Well done, sir…
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Oct 5, 2009 7:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Probably one of the best games I've seen Ben play
His accuracy induced jaw-dropping last night. I think there was only 1 or 2 passes where he seemed to miss his throw. Every other time he seemed to hit his mark with incredible accuracy. His reads were perfect, his blitz pick-ups were good, and his ability to use the pocket was impressive as always.
The last drive of the game last night was like the last drive of the SB to me. I was so calm and collected because the ball was in Ben’s hands. That guy is just too good in the last minutes of the game.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree i think Ben is going to put up big numbers this year, especially if the O-line keeps blocking and protecting him, like they did last night, I really think this is a good sign of things to come for this team, they seen last night that the offense can hang in there and get it done and score, and like you I would much rather see the ball in Bens hands the last 2 minutes, He makes it exciting
by Jadygirl7 on Oct 5, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told you guys Willie Colon was good. That’s 3 games in a row where he has man-handled the Chargers defensive line.
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by John Gennaro on Oct 5, 2009 7:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The whole line man-handled you all last night
Great game though, you guys sure kept it interesting late. Thanks for all of the pregame info and all. Most of the things you mentioned to keep an eye on I did. Good luck in the rest of the season.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where’s SteelGuy? He loves Willie!
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Oct 5, 2009 8:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fat Willie Colon.
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by steelguy99 on Oct 5, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O-line is fine!
I guess this can go down as 20-20 hind sight, but I knew that it was not my imagination that Fast Willie was just not hitting holes. If you look at tapes of the first three games you can see that there are openings in the line of scrimmage, but it seemed that FWP was neglecting the sure 4-5 years and opting to try to bounce outside in an attempt to go for 75! This is the same thing I remember reading about Barry Sanders while he was in Detroit. The box score on him would read 25 carries, most for -1 to 1 yard, then 1 for 35, and another for 64. This made for an impressive fantasy showing, but serves the team little. The trouble is that FWP is no Barry Sanders, and the big plays are just not coming. With the Steelers, it’s better to take the sure 4 or 5 yards, then hope for Hines and Co to throw some blocks downfield. I’ve been a fan of FWP to this point, I just think that he forgot who he plays for, and what got hime where he is. Long Live Smash-Mouth Football!
by AikiRD on Oct 5, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Future of FWP
I know it just one game with Mendy pounding the rock…..but man does he look more explosive and powerful than FWP.when he broke that 30+ yarder….all I was thinking was "damn,he is FAST too.
It was also sooooo nice to have a RB who could scrum his way to 2 or 3 yards….rather than get tackled for losses. 2nd and 7 felt much better than 2nd and 10.What I love about Mendy, an especially Moore, is they just seem to consistently make the first guy miss…or at least make it tough for 1 guy to bring them down.
IMO…FWP WILL get another start when he is healthy….and if doesn’t perform RIGHT AWAY…he will be out as the starter…unless Mendy keeps reeling off 100 yd games….if that happens…FWP might might find himself again the change of pace back. Which I don’t see as a bad thing. He will be more explosive when the opposing D is a little worn.
by zenhas12strings on Oct 5, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say I told you so, but...
You’re exactly right. Check my post from either Wed or Thu. This is just what the Dr. ordered.
—Mendy came thru & was force fed the ball all night. How refreshing was it to see, aside from 1 time, no carries for loss, tip-toeing & failing to see the whole. Let’s face it. FWP’s days are numbered b/c he’s lost both his health & his vision.
—The offensive play-calling was great b/c, most importantly, it kept our D off the field.
—That FG at the end was huge for Skippy. I’m glad Tomlin took the timeout. Skippy needed to come thru in pressure & he did.
—Ben spread the wealth nicely. Keep that up.
—I say Troy sits until the Vikings game. That way he’s 100%.
by TheCornDog on Oct 5, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWP’s days are not numbered at all. He had a great teacher in Bettis and as Bettis did before him he’ll hopefully accepts the back up role.
by Bonek on Oct 5, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Backup role is still an early thing to label FWP as having.
People have to remember, and Im sure Tomlin knows, FWP would have likely carved up Whales Vagina also.
So the point is, you maybe let FWP start but you split the carries fairly even. Thats probably what happens IMO.
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWP wouldve gotten 100+ yards last night
BUT….our offense doesnt flow nearly as efficiently. Why? Exactly what zen was saying and what I was telling my dad as we watched the game last night. We’re not faced with an abudance of 2nd and 10s. Mendy explodes out of the backfield and hits the hole hard and fast, almost guaranteeing 2-3 yards on momentum alone. FWP does not do that. Nor do I see FWP scratching and clawing for that extra yard or two like Mendy does now.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Oct 5, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fwp
Also doesn’t catch the ball well. Rashard has good hands.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 3:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Well
He caught a TD last week if I recall correctly…. And ran pretty hard too.
Parker pounded the Chargers in the last two meetings. But I will say I think Mendy was running for his CAREER last night and that certainly helped.
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was also wide open and directly facing the ball as it was coming toward. He’s no threat to catch a pass over his shoulder, I think,
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 5, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not gonna deny that…
He did drop one last year plain as day.
Just saying, Parker clearly could have performed well, and we should not delegate him a backup just yet. I think hes better when healthy, but Mendy probably will surpass him. I just dont want him to get rushed in too hard.
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so, too, but Parker has definitely looked tentative at times this year.
I agree that I’m not ready to just write him off. I think it’d be nice to keep him around in a backup role, assuming he’s willing, for a few more years.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 5, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still too earyl to tell
Mendenhall definitely has the upper hand right now, but as you said, it is just one game. You have to guess what could have or would have happened if FWP was in. Would he have done the same? Who knows.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I’m pissed I dropped those 2 I was trying 2 run b4 I caught them"
Text from Hines last night to Michael Silver after the game. You gotta love that he demands perfection from himself and is disappointed when he does not achieve it.
My points from the game:
- Game ball for me goes to Kemo. He was insanely good tonight. On each one of Mendenhall’s “big” runs you could see Kemo right in the thick of things making a huge block. In fact, as Blitz said, the entire O-Line was amazing. As Blitz said last night, it is much easier to fix problems with ST than it is bad play at your O Line. If we can move the ball like this all year, teams should be very worried.
- Rashard Mendenhall looked great tonight, he definitely should take his O Line out to dinner though. They made big holes and he made SD pay. Also, Mendy looked great tonight AFTER initial contact. He had a couple “bounce offs” and fought for extra yards the entire night. However, he did have 1 or 2 plays that made him look like a “rookie”. I’m sure Tomlin will address these. Anyway, most pertinent stat 5.7 yards per carry.
- The defense was great. Rivers really only scored 2 drives against the Pitt D IMO. The last one has to be blamed on Mundy. The D essentially had to come on the field directly after a previous drive from SD, and were clearly still tired. 28 points but they only gave up 251 yards, and ONLY 16 of those on the ground (silly).
- Third down conversions. The Steelers went 8-12 (66%) and held SD to 3/9 (33%). The D did step up when it was necessary.
- Finally sacks and a turnover. Debo returned to his Def. MVP form last night with 5 tackles, 2 sacks, and a forced fumble. He sealed the game with his patent sack for a fumble at the end of the game.
- Two Minute Defense. It stepped up last night. Remember the last couple of games where we gave up lots of points (game losing FGs) in the final two minutes of either half? Not last night. We held them to 24 yards on two drives in 2min drills. Good stuff.
Great win, time to get ready for Detroit. We cannot take them lightly, they have some good players.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 8:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ike vs. Calvin Johnson with a bold, strong armed QB sounds like an interesting matchup. Let’s hope he plays as well as he did yesterday.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we stop Calvin Johnson, it will be a blowout. This Steelers offense does not fear anyone, especially Detroit :)
by Han on Oct 5, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They fear Larry Foote.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ben might be hearing Foote steps all game.
Oh yeah, I’ll be here all week.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 5, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That’s hillarryous.
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by steelguy99 on Oct 5, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Running out the clock
Nothing like running up the score to run out the clock. Kudos to the coaches for letting their $100 million quarterback to do more than hand off for 2 out of 3 plays late in the game.
by ibygeorge on Oct 5, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Even though we did not convert, I was glad to see Ben drop back on 3rd and 9 on the last set of downs even though he did not convert. We played to win there. Nice call by BA.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny
When I saw the formation (4 wides + Moore, I think) I thought to myself “there’s no way this ball is going anywhere other than Moore”. A clever DC would have put a CB on him.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would that not have left a WR covered by a LB?
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 5, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or even a safety up on the line on Moore.
The Steelers had no intention of converting that 3rd down. They did make a decent play in keeping him to 10ish yards, but those 10ish yards were about 80% as bad as giving up a first down there. If they give up a completion, the game is over. If not, it’s an awfully tough call on the FG. I’d have played tight man coverage across the board and taken my chances. It’s Norv Turner, though, so no worries.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I guess I was just thinking that it might have left a WR open with an obvious mismatch, making it easier to hit a first down throw. Anyway, it worked for us in the end, which is what mattered.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 5, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
I thought Ben was looking downfield and never even checked down to Moore? Isn’t that what happened or do I need to rewatch that play?
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, you’re right. There was holding on that play. I was talking about the 3rd and 19 that followed, not the 3rd and 9.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
I don’t think there are many plays that get you 19 on 3rd though. Although, that defense pretty much allowed us to do everything we wanted to it last night.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Holding the ball..."
Great post, but it’s disappointing you buy into the whole “Ben held the ball too long” on last night’s sacks. Just watch the overhead camera shot from behind the line of scrimmage. On both occassions there was no one open and he wisely ate the ball instead of trying to do too much.
Why is it when a Manning brother or Brady type take a sack because no one is open, it’s called a “coverage sack”, but when Roethlisberger does it he “holds the ball too long”?
That’s such a media driven misconception. Drives me insane.
by Tim Tomczak on Oct 5, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Manning and Brady are more likely to throw them away than take a sack.
by SteelersVT on Oct 5, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Whoa whoa whoa, quarterbacks can do that?
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by steelguy99 on Oct 5, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
Send ben a text. Maybe no one ever told him
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 3:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Right
Ben keeps looking upfield for something. But there is nothing. His sacks tonight were straight up his fault. He had plenty of time.
He’ll get there. He’s improved in this regard a bit I feel. I’d love to just see him run off with his legs sometimes though cause hes as fast as every LB on the other side.
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont
at all. I’m absolutely fine with Ben taking those sacks, continuing to look for something to develop, cause that’s where many of his big plays come from. Can’t have it both ways. If he starts throwing it away to avoid a sack or two we start missing out on some of the trademark Ben-runs-around-for-an-hour-then-makes-a-30-yard-completion.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Oct 5, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point exactly
Thank you for finally bringing a voice of reason to this topic. You’re 100% correct when you say “you can’t have it both ways.” I’ve been arguing with my dad about this for 5 years now. Who in their right mind wants him throwing the ball away and taking away the thing that makes him so dangerous?
by Tim Tomczak on Oct 5, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I totally agree
I was just saying that, after he does extend it a bit, sometimes you can make a smarter decision.
Watching two of the sacks last night, he clearly had nothing open. He knew it. He had the ball for at least 5 seconds. At that point, run. Im not asking him to just take off as soon as his 2nd read is covered. I love how he plays.
I dont want my last post mis-interpreted. I absolutely adore his style of play.
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t your point at all, good backpedaling though.
Your point is that Brady/Manning are treated differently than Roethlisberger in terms of “coverage sacks”. The opposition point is that is BS, because for the most part Brady/Manning are likely to throw the ball away after 10 seconds of no one being open. Ben is not.
No one has stated that we want anyone other than Ben or that we think he should stop playing like a caveman. We love our neanderthal here.
I have to give it to you though, you definitely showed that phantom arguer wrong.
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by steelguy99 on Oct 5, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by Steeler_ on Oct 6, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at it this way-
we want logan to run one back for a td right? but should logan really have bothered to try that during the play that led to the strip? there is a time to throw it away, and at least on the sack that featured the most incredible mendy block ever, he SHOULD have thrown it away then. He had time, too. I think the great quarterbacks learn this eventually, and I honestly think we will see Ben start to do that more. He will make a play when he has to, but taking the pressure off yourself and reducing the chance of injury are also important to QB.
by SteelersVT on Oct 5, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can have it both ways. when it’s 3rd down on the edge of field goal range and he knows defenders are loose in the backfield because he dodged one or 2 then he needs to get rid of the ball. when it’s 3rd down on his 30, it doesn’t matter if he takes a sack.
there is a difference when you can/need to take the risk of a sack & a time when you can’t. and that’s what ppl are talking about.
by t1mmy10 on Oct 6, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The main nice thing that he’s settled into is trusting his OL. There were times in the first few games where he was “feeling” pressure that wasn’t there. For all the people who say Ben “needs” pressure to succeed, this is what happens when he has protection and a gameplan. He stood in the pocket and made the throws, and occasionally he made loose pass rushers miss. His comp% and YPA are ridiculous this year.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Collinsworth even noted the "accuracy"
You hit the nail on the head. Everyone can finally see what an accurate and precise passer Roethlisberger is now that he has some time to hit his last step of his drop, read the field, and find the open WR. Amazing what some pass protection does for the comp %. The pass he made on Miller’s 1st TD was as good as anyone in the league can throw it.
by Tim Tomczak on Oct 5, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben is the best
I’ll take Roethlisberger over any QB in the league. His combination of strength, accuracy, elusiveness and passing “touch” is unparalleled. The man is an absolute nightmare for opposing defenses, because he almost always extends the play! If the defense can just play better in the 4th quarter, nobody is going to beat us.
by Billy52 on Oct 5, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throwing the ball away sucks.
What ever happened to not giving up on the play? If a running back doesn’t like what he sees should he just dive to the LOS, or fight for a few yards and risk fumbling?
I like that Ben gambles, I like that he tries to make plays. Defenses have a much harder tiem with him because of it. Lineman and Linebackers hate Ben because he breaks tackles, Defensive backs hate him because they have to cover for so long. Coordinators hate him because your plays are designed for normal QB’s, not Ben.
We love him because he wins ball games with plays where he “should” have thrown the ball away.
You can’t turn on and off that special quality that makes Ben and the Steelers Champions. If you want a QB that throws the Ball away go cheer for the teams that lose in the playoffs, Winning QB’s take risks and win games.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 5, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes you can
It’s not like asking Troy to not play at full speed. Quarterback is a more cerebral position. He can still try to keep plays alive in the right situations and cut his losses in others. It’s not a black and white thing.
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by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Oct 5, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got a guy about to sack me, should I: A. Throw the ball away or B. Try to break the tackle.
There’s no way Ben can look at that situation and that quickly determine whether or not he can break the tackle. No one can do that. He breaks the tackle and makes a big play or he gets sacked. I think he breaks more than he takes, and he often makes up the yardage he loses and picks up the first anyway.
But to start analyzing in the middle of being pressured whether or not he can break a tackle is not humanly possible.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 5, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Blitz
Ben needs to know when to dump off and when to fight.
Times to fight:
-End of the game
-When losing etc.
Times to dump
-When taking a sack sends you out of field goal range
-Early in the game
In general Ben needs to play smart situational football. The thing that concerned me most about the first three weeks is that he twice took a sack that drove us out of field goal range.
Apart from that I would like to see Ben not take as many hits as he has. Yes he is a big tough guy, but save those hits for when you need to take them. No reason to take 4-5 hits in the first half.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t matter when you score points, they all count the same. Making plays early for good or bad are just as valuable as they are late.
If Ben threw the ball away in field goal range, we’d have field goals to show for it, but not as many TD’s.
In the last game we got knocked out of Field Goal range, and then got those yards back and made the field goal.
Ben doing what he does is our best way to win. Trying to manage that to a statistical balance is futile. There is no wrong time to score a TD, and no right time to throw a pick. The best way to manage Ben’s play-making is to run the ball and keep him out of those third and longs where he gets in more trouble.
That is why Ben is so much better when the running game shows up, his gambles are limited and against less coverage so he can get an open receiver quicker. Ben will never be a QB who is built to manage a game, throwing the ball away, minimizing risk, that’s not him. He is built to win or lose games, not to manage them. You can’t teach instinct, and that is how Ben plays, to try and change him would be counter-productive.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 5, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A leading pass completion percentage
is a fact of a game manager.
by steelerstyle on Oct 5, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
It is a product of an accurate QB with good Receivers who play well with him.
Game Managers think long term, Ben takes every play as it comes, he goes for a win every play, he won’t accept a tie or a loss, he fights for a win every play. Peyton will throw the ball away, if he doesn’t like the play he audibles and gestures and goes to the safer option, Ben is always on the attack, and that’s why he wins more than other guys.
Ben won’t settle for a 4 yard completion on third and 7 if he believes he can buy time and his receivers will get open. He extends drives with those plays, plays that keep the defense off the field, and give us more opportunities to score. Plays that win games.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 5, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for opinion but I deal with facts.
Could you give me some.
by steelerstyle on Oct 6, 2009 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, facts.
1. Throwing the ball away, something we are touting as a “Game Manager” thing, actually lowers your pass completion percentage? Wow.
2. Factually Game Manager QB’s don’t exist. They don’t, there is no scientific category for “Game Managing QB’s.” Bring me a Biologist who can show otherwise, or even a test that has been widely accepted by scientific analysis to be accurate to p[rove a QB being a Game Manager.
3. I deal with perceptions of reality, not the worthless drivel coming out of your mouth.
Facts?
I’m sorry if pass completion has no relevance to QB accuracy or receiver talent.
I’m glad to find out that by becoming a Game Manager QB, or being born one, I haven’t looked up the facts on how that happens, one can raise ones completion percentage.
Facts? we are making personal observations. All of us. If you’d like to look at facts only then go back and edit your posts to involve some. Otherwise leave the football discussion to people who at least know the definitions of the words they are using.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 6, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to stirs things up
Logical debate hinges on facts presented as point and counterpoint culminating in a conclusion.
I understood your position as Ben is a high risk, high reward, down the field, keep the play going QB.
by steelerstyle on Oct 7, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't teach instinct
But you can learn it. Ben has made a ton of progress. He will continue to grow. One way is that his judgment will continue to improve.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 6, 2009 1:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree to an extent
I keep repeating it, but I think it’s important (:
I know that McDonald is a proven commodity and can probably make some tough catches over the middle.
My point is that we NEED to get Sweed some playing time – to find out what he is capable off. The next two weeks the Steelers should win against poor competition. This would be the perfect time to get Sweed out on the field and road test him.
Remember how one week ago, people were calling Rashard a bust and making fun of his dancing and suggesting that Colbert’s string of good first round choices had come to a screeching halt?
Mind you this wasn’t just crazy fans on Ed Bochette’s chat. This was Post-Gazette columnist Ron Cook. And on what basis were those declarations made?
26 carries. Coming in to last nights game Rashard had a total of 26 carries in his entire NFL career.
Last night he had 29. Suddenly he is the toast of the town.
Sweed has caught 9 passes in his career. 7 in the regular season and 2 in the playoffs. He has had the ball thrown his way maybe 14 times max. That’s not that different than the amount of times Hines was thrown to last night (11 passes he caught 8) or the amount of times Santonio was targeted last week (14 passes he caught 5).
Yes Hines gets leniency, but it’s Sweed who actually needs it.
We need to get this guy on the field against the Lions and Browns. If he can make a couple catches, regain his confidence and stretch the field, we suddenly find ourselves with the best receivers in football. Come playoff time that might be REAL useful.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very well put. I like the benching because Tomlin is very supportive of Sweed and Mendenhall, and they needed to see the other side of him to. I love that he left it in last week for Mendenhall, and I hope he gives Sweed a chance again soon.
We know Ben will. Ben fed the ball to Nate and Cedrick Wilson no matter how bad they played. Put Sweed out there and he’ll get balls thrown his way. Eventually he’ll catch them, he works too hard at this game not to.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 5, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woops
Systems is buggy – wrote something different here, but this (which I posted below came up) odd.
What I was trying to say was – Ben needs to dump off at the right times – e.g. when taking a sack gets you out of FG range (he’s done that twice this season) or early in the game – where a check down is smarter than getting clobbered.
I am fine with him holding on to it when it counts.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post is excellent
My point is that we NEED to get Sweed some playing time – to find out what he is capable off. The next two weeks the Steelers should win against poor competition. This would be the perfect time to get Sweed out on the field and road test him.
Remember how one week ago, people were calling Rashard a bust and making fun of his dancing and suggesting that Colbert’s string of good first round choices had come to a screeching halt?
26 carries. Coming in to last nights game Rashard had a total of 26 carries in his entire NFL career.
Last night he had 29. Suddenly he is the toast of the town.
Sweed has caught 9 passes in his career. 7 in the regular season and 2 in the playoffs. We need to get this guy on the field against the Lions and Browns.
What a great feeling we all had on Sunday night to finally realize that Rashard can tote the rock. Maybe if we give Sweed a some quality reps he will produce as well.
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by showtime on Oct 6, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Brady and Manning can’t make plays with their feet and keep plays alive.
by Tim Tomczak on Oct 5, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right, that's why they are so good at what they do: make the play while standing in wet cement.
Which is why Ben will be that much more of a threat when he does pick the opportune time to do so.
by SteelersVT on Oct 5, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've read through the whole discussion on Ben's 'extending'
1)Wow that got heated quick
2)I hear you guys on the idea that Ben should be smarter about when he goes for extension and when he should simply throw it away (field goal range, etc.) but I just think trying to tweak that part of his QB personality is playing with too much fire. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” I think his play right now is incredibly stellar. Why tweak it? How many times has Ben taken a sack that has cost us the game? How many times has he ran around like a madman and completed an amazing play that won us the game? I completely agree that it would be GREAT if Ben got even smarter and saved us a couple of field goals here and there. I think it’d also be great if Troy got even smarter and didn’t overpursue a couple plays every now and then. Troy’s probably the smartest player in the NFL. My point is it’s working, and if people were to start trying to tweak his style and put a leash on his extending ability, for whatever reason, it could create a volatile situation where that mental leash might hold Ben back from a game-changing play or two.
by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Oct 9, 2009 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well well...
Looks like Mendy came to play this week, nice to see. Now build off of this young man, learn from your mistakes, and get better because of them. One week does not make the player, but you have to start somewhere. I think his decisiveness, combined with the tremendous play of the O-Line, was the difference this week. Mendenhall saw the hole open up, and hit it full speed. That is how you play HB, and even if it results in just two yards, that’s better than waiting the extra half second for something more, and ending up with no gain or a short loss. I haven’t seen a difference in times of possession like I saw in the first half yesterday in quite a while. It’s hard to score if you’re not on the field, as Philip Rivers and company learned last night. Let’s take this momentum into Detroit, and get this season re-started the right way. 12 more games to go, here we go!
by NYSteelersFan4 on Oct 5, 2009 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
onside kick
still not sure why everyone is blaming that touchdown on st.( mundy) its not like he gave them the ball on the 2 yard line and the d had to stop them it was at the 40-45 yard line and the defense hadn’t just been out there so they shouldn’t have been tired.plenty of times i’ve seen this d stop guys when they had the ball in that position. and johnny s he always drops back on 3rd and nine its the running plays on first and second that get us into that spot to begin with although for once its not like san diego was ever stopping the run at all unlike the previous week in cinci where their d had been stopping the run and he still kept trying to run it anyway..stopping it in the fourth quarter i meant..
by billsteelcity on Oct 5, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not really
Generally, they will try to run the ball and kill the clock in the past. This time they trusted Ben and put the ball in his hands.
Anyway, the D should not even been on the field, that is why it is Mundy’s fault. If a ball hits you directly in the chest you should catch it.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kemo, Mendenhall and Wallace
Medenhall looked AWESOME. Although he needs to lean to keep that ball a bit closer to his body when he is in th eopen field. May cost him in the future…. Kemo: Alan who? the one play when he pulled left, he blocked TWO Chargers. Nice. Wallace also had an excellent game that no one mentioned…
by DaleNewhart on Oct 5, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Observations
Mendy played very well. I was certainly impressed…but he did have a few gaffs, such as the one time the holes closed up and he started running backwards. He should have just dropped right there rather than trying to make something from nothing. He wound up getting dropped for a loss. It was nice to see Davis back in there too.
AND DID you guys see Redman dressed? I saw him in one shot of the bench. I still have hope for him.
FWP…I dunno. I agree they’re probably give him another shot at starting, but I suspect he’ll be splitting time with Mendy more than before.
QB looked great. Running game was great. O-line was amazing. Receivers and TEs looked great too…especially Wallace. I think his position is cemented and I predict Sweed will be on the unemployment line this tie next year, or playing for the Browns. One more thing on Miller…he gets a by from me for losing that ball. He has taken shots in the past that would have sent normal humans to the hospital and he still managed to hold onto the ball.
Defense…what’s going on!? I like Troy tremendously, but he’s not the team. The D-line did it’s job, but Rivers just killed us with the passing. Dick, please tell us everything is okay!!!
STs….I blame the coaches for the onside kick fiasco. They should have seen it coming. Hell, I’m sitting at home and I saw it coming. Logan…bud, you’re doing a great job, but you don’t have to try to return every punt for 100yds. Be smart.
by CarlosC on Oct 5, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Troy is the team...
At least when the opponents are running a no huddle.
Im gonna preach this like its gospel, and once he comes back, you’ll see how this wont be a problem.
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ratliff SUCKED at db
When Tomlin reviews the game film, he’s gonna see one big reason why it was so easy for San Diego to come back at the end.
by Billy52 on Oct 5, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um?
Cause we gave two ST turnovers, had no Polamalu, and Gates got open on every catch perhaps?
I didnt think Ratliff did so bad. They didnt do shit all game. Its when they went no huddle, and we have no Troy.
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should watch the game film.
That was one of the worst-ever performances by a Steeler safety.
by Billy52 on Oct 5, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luv the new Full Back
Legursky at 6’1 315 runs very fast for a linmen (4.78) low to the ground good leverage and blew a big hole for Mendy. I think we will see more of Legursky very athletic and strong for a big guy
by steelermafia on Oct 5, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing last night when I saw him line up as a fullback. Can he catch the ball? Maybe a source for some trick plays in the future.
Woodley looks sssllllloooooowwww. Like someone said, that extra weight is hurtin’ his edge speed, still early in the season I guess.
Where’s Ziggy? Has he even played a snap? I knew he wouldn’t get much playing time this year but if they put him in there in certain situations to pressure the QB and has some success maybe it will light a fire under #56 to get him motivated more. Tomlin needs to stir the pot a bit imo… He’s good at it.
by PhyscoMiko on Oct 5, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s been on the field in other games a little, although I didn’t see him in this one.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone named Legursky is OK by me.
Now there’s a Pittsburgh name if there ever was one!
by Billy52 on Oct 5, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take away
1. The molestation of S. Logan for the “fumble”
2. Mundy’s goof on the onsides.
And that game is 45 to 14.
Just a couple of errors kept it from being a Blowout. If they continue to improve, they may just rise to my already lofty expectations for this season. Last night they played like I believed they could. Go Steelers!
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by fanofsteel on Oct 5, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought the goof on the onsides kick is more on the coaches. Put the hands team in there, even if you set them up for a standard kickoff return, not an onsides kick return. They then could have lined up in onsides or standard based on teh look from the Chargers. Not having the hands team out there was a clear mistake by Tomlin and Ligashesky.
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by BostonWahoo on Oct 5, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree. Logan should have fair caught the punt, too, although that was a little more ambiguous. The onside kick was obvious even without the benefit of hindsight.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just them getting us.
Every once in a while they are going to get you. That long on the clock, their normal kick team in, we weren’t expecting an onside kick.
Cowher used to get teams with stuff like that every once in a while. With the score what it was, I have no problem. Mundy isn’t a hands guy and he flubbed the play. He also had no help because of the formation.
Fool me once and all. They weren’t going to get away with that twice, and our offense was on fire.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 5, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also we got them with that HB pass, a TD each way.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 5, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea...Loved this game!
Offense had it’s foot on the gas the whole time and scores 38 points!. Mendenhall CAN play! O-line looked fantastic! Reed nailed his 46 yarder right down the middle!
What really impressed me, was the ability of the offense, to carry the defense!
Congratulations to all, really great game!
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by LongTimeSteelersFan on Oct 5, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We really need to be concerned about the D
They are folding late in games and it is now a trend. Yeah, when we had Troy we stopped the Titans but who hasn’t stopped them this year? We HAVE to find a consistent pass rush from somebody.
I’m starting to think that extra weight that Woodley put on is really affecting his ability to turn the corner. He has been invisible all season.
by StoneColdSteel on Oct 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Help yourself, I am going to embrace this opportunity to be excited with the O
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Oct 5, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once Troy is back this is all over...
I keep tellin you guys, I done did the research, its the lack of a speedy Troy to react with an opponents no huddle.
Were lucky nobody’s decided to go no huddle all game.
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy there. Troy obvious helps our defense, but there are a lot of different factors that go into defensive stands and breakdowns.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Im right, because if I’m wrong, then were STILL gonna have problems when the man comes back.
I just have no other thing to believe. I truly feel, and appreciate moreso now than ever, that he is the giver of time to our Blitz, the tipped pass when we need it most, and the lightning fast closer to the ball that we lack right now.
I cannot be swayed from this current opinion of his importance to the D.
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Woodley and Kiesel start rushing the passer better then coverage would get a little more consistent.
But not as good as if Troy were playing
by StoneColdSteel on Oct 5, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right about Troy, but
Hopefully, he won’t knock himself out again. After all, he plays like he thinks his body is a torpedo. It might help to keep him off the special teams, which is how he got hurt. I say rest him for another game. If we think things are so bad that we have to use Troy against the Lions, we’re in worse shape than I thought.
by Billy52 on Oct 5, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didnt hurt himself though. He got landed on, on a very rare blocked kick play.
Thats the thing, I’ve never seen him get hurt pretending to be a torpedo or something. Just in these weird scenarios.
by Mechem on Oct 6, 2009 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blitz's Package
MENDENHALL; First off, mega congratulations to Rashard Mendenhall who finally showed why is was a #1 draft pick in 2008 and why he may be the replacement at RB if Fast Willie Parker should exit after this year for a bigger pay day. From the first play, Mendenhall ran down hill with authority and with a violent running style that reminded some old timers of a young Franco Harris.
ARIANS; In the end the game came down to Big Ben, Rocket Rashard and the excellent coaching of Mike Tomlin and a great game plan (you read it right) by Bruce Arians. The Steelers possessed the football over 40 minutes of a 60 minute game. Quite an impressive game plan and offensive performance.
OL; All night the Steelers O line dominated. Chris Kemoeatu had perhaps the best game of his career and Max Starks pancaked at least 3 Chargers during the game. Even back up Doug Legursky got into the act with a crushing block leading Mendenhall into the end zone on a short TD run. Carey Davis return was glorious for the offense. It was good to see a FB in the line up leading the way for Mendenhall. The FB was a big reason the Steelers were able to run the ball. Davis even fell on a fumble in the end zone for an apparent TD that was whistled back. Would have been the biggest play of his Steelers career that almost ended in August.
QUESTIONS; 1) What was Farrior so mad about? He made sure to get in V Jax face after the game and they had to be separated. 2) Didn’t the ST coach warn the team to look for the on side? Where was the ST coach last week to warn about the fake punt? While the ST is playing better physically than in the past, there are mental mistakes being made that will cost this team down the road. 50% of the game is mental. 3) Why is the defense getting blistered in the 4th quarter of games. Are they going to the prevent and getting less aggressive with a lead? LeBeau needs to get that fixed ASAP.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Oct 5, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
While the ST is playing better physically than in the past, there are mental mistakes being made that will cost this team down the road
Right on. I’m glad we’re tackling KR’s, though.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Rocket Rashard" I LOVE IT
I was saying it allllllllll week. Mendenhall was going to come through and he did with flying colours.
I want him as the full time back because i’m done with FWP.
Here’s hoping to Mendenhall playing so well from here on in that he doesn’t give the starting spot back.
by Freddyd on Oct 5, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those questions:
- The tribune had an article on the tussle between Farrior and Jackson. Neither gave up any info. Farrior simply said “We just don’t like each other.” Whatever that means.
- I don’t think the “hands” team was in the game for that kick off. I was expecting on-side kick the whole way, not sure why/how the ST coach missed that. If that is the “hands” team, Mundy is off.
- Still yet to be seen. I think yesterday was just complacency and misfortune. They got up and slacked off. That needs to be fixed. Again, hopefully Troy’s energy brings these guys back to life in the 4th.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Early season after an easy camp. They’ll come around with a few wins.
by Phantaskippy on Oct 5, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on icing one's own kicker
I feel icing the kicker in general is overrated. The guy is constantly called upon to come in cold, and is already on the sidelines during important moments, mentally icing himself.
I also think when a coach gets cute and calls it so late that the kick happens, that probably helps the kicker. It’s like a practice swing, plus he gets a feel of distance and wind.
For super long kicks, I’d almost like to see a ballsy coach call a timeout on his own kicker right at the snap. That way the kicker gets a sample kick in, and if it really has no chance (like that one oakland tried a couple years back), the team can decide not to even try the field goal.
NFL would probably have to change the rulebook.
by vherub on Oct 5, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree totally, and also Reed loose thecenter of the kicking "window" Very good points.
By the way. Had you been a kicker?
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
by YeOldeMexFan on Oct 6, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our Defense in the Fourth Quarter: Is age a factor?
First, I thought as I think we all do, that this was the best our offense has looked in several games (including last year). O-lineman firing off theline of scrimmage, Mendenhall looking first round worthy, BB making great decisions, receivers steady, and good play calling.
But like others, I am concerned with our fourth quarters. Could it be the age is catching up to guys like Farrior, Smith, Hampton, et.al.?
They were not on the field for a long period of time last night, but the guys appeared tired. Maybe some younger guys need to be rotated in quicker or earlier or more often.
I just cannot believe that the absence of Troy has made this defense suck in the fourth quarter since they sucked in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl WITH Troy.
Maybe the dudes are just getting old.
by DwightWhite's Missing Tooth on Oct 5, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Late TDs
IMO, it looks like allowing those late TDs may be the result of a defense not familiar with a prevent D. And let me say that I agree that you shouldn’t play prevent very often (i.e., when you are trying to hold a 1 or even 2 score lead). But prevent D does have its place, and that place is when you are up by 21 and there is 12 min left (like last night).
However, the defense just looks like it is not good at forcing teams to take time off the clock…they often leave guys totally wide open and take bad angles once the guy has the ball. When you are playing prevent, you are basically conceding a TD, but you want a team to take more than 3 plays to get it. If they had forced SD to take 4-5 min. on those TD drives instead of 90 seconds (which is not too much to ask), then they wouldn’t have had to put together that last drive to kill the clock. Similar problems when Tenn. scored that TD right before the half in Game 1 in like 90 seconds.
I submit that the D is not used to playing that way and is back on its heels when it’s not attacking. Same way a team that is normally conservative but is forced to blitz misses defensive assignments and gives up big plays in the secondary. I think we have the reverse of that disease. They blitz so much they don’t know how not to.
This could make even more sense when you realize that the blitzes are so complicated that they probably eat up a lot of practice time. And the coaches may assume that playing prevent is easy and self explanitory. Yet, there is more of an art to it.
All in all, this is an easier problem to correct than teaching a team that is good at prevent D to be as successful at attacking as the Steelers. So I like our chances to figure this problem out.
by HoustonPA on Oct 5, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My Logan Ruling
The replay was correct. You cant technically challenge forward progress. Which is retarded.
If a guy is like 5’6", and is getting dragged backwards by his jersey for two seconds, followed by 3 yards of backpedaling, before being laid down on another player, I think the whistle was well overdue.
If Logan had maybe slipped out of one guys grasp, and got a second burst, then yeah you want the play to go on, but when he’s just going backwards a whistle should have been blown.
Unrelated, I felt the reffing overall was quite good, except on the one Chargers late TD drive Harrison just got mugged when him and woodley nailed rivers as he threw. Would have been a sack or a strip…
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Logan’s gonna take the fall for this (and yes he should have taken the Fair Catch but can we blame a playmaker for trying?) but that was a very lame no-call. Whistle that sucker dead! They keep talking about protecting the players but they sure didn’t do anything to protect a tiny returner that time. We’re lucky he didn’t get injured as well on that play…
by Steelfrog on Oct 5, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
holding a guy up is not really legal last I checked either. I mean its one thing to fall on a body but come on..
I don’t blame Logan one bit.
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to add. He didnt put the ball on the ground. He had it swiped while he was being dragged backwards for an hour. So I dont call that a fumble.
Speaking of fumbles, I noted that Mundy has a fumble lost on the stat sheet from the Onside kick. How can that be? He never had possession, or is it just on whoever the ball touches?
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Muffed KR
It’s probably marked as a muff, which is noted as a fumble, I believe.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 5, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame Logan all the way
He was being held up, but instead of going to the ground himself ( when he already had three SD players on him notheless) he kept churning his legs in a desperate attempt at gaining more yards. Result is that the refs had no reason to call the play dead and Logan got stripped as a consequence.
I had no problem with the call on the field. IMO Logan needs to stop trying to break one every single punt return, where better judgement of game circumstance, field position, etc. is needed.
It all starts in the trenches.
by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Oct 5, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rewatched that one
I rewatched that today, and he was clearly pushed back 2 or 3 yards. When forward progress is demonstrably stopped to the extent that the ball carrier is clearly going backward, the rule is to stop the play to prevent injury. The whistle should have blown at least a second before he was stripped.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 5, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can blame Logan
He has to fair catch that punt. As much as he might want to make a return, the Steelers don’t need a return at that point because they’re ahead and they’re getting good field position anyway. The only way San Diego can get back in the game is via turnovers. The fumble was to some extent bullshit but it should never have come to that. That was a message he should have received from the ST coach before he even took the field.
by steeler.lifer on Oct 6, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the replay I saw that Logan was on the 45 already, as you said. Ugh.
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by steelguy99 on Oct 6, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few grains of salt on a great victory
The OL looked great against a severely injury-depleted Charger front 7. Lets see them string 3-4 games together against other levels of competition.
The problems with the D in the 4th Quarter will not be magically fixed when Polamalu returns. The one thing all three opponents (Chicago, Cincinnati, San Diego) have in common — an average QB that was able to take advantage of the Steeler D. This appears to be an issue of not making the proper adjustments to fit the specific situation.
Someone who has better analytical skills than me should chime in, but:
- The D blitzed and pressured but was not able to stop the Charger’s No-Huddle offense in the 4th Q. The Chargers have excellent receivers and an okay O-line.
- In the Chicago and Cincinnati games, as I recall the D was putting pressure on Cutler or Palmer, and was sitting back in coverage. I cannot remember whether or not Chi. or Cin. used the ‘no huddle’ during their comebacks, like SD did. The Bears’ and Bengals’ receivers should scare no one and their lines are suspect-to-okay.
I could be reading this wrong, but maybe the strategies should have been reversed.
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by whogastim on Oct 5, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that should read
That should read The one thing all three opponents (Chicago, Cincinnati, San Diego) have in common — an ABOVE average QB that was able to take advantage of the Steeler D.
by whogastim on Oct 5, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the problem with the defense is primarily a scheme thing. As you pointed out, we’ve been conservative and we’ve been aggressive and gotten beat both ways. All three QB’s we played could adjust to blitzes and find open guys. If there was a scheme problem at the end of this game, it was in how we covered Gates, but the Chargers have a lot of good WR’s, and we only have so many guys to cover them. I don’t want Jackson running open, either.
We need to tackle. Timmons can’t cover WR’s or awesome TE’s. Those are the biggest things I saw.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t necessarily call all three QBs “average.” Phillip Rivers was the highest rated passer in the league last year. Jay Cutler has played great in the past 3 games after that bad first game. And Palmer didn’t really have a great game though he did lead get a TD on the last drive.
Granted they should have been stopped, but I think Rivers is way above average and Cutler has shown that he can go on pretty impressive streaks (both ways).
And last night, am I wrong or were those last 2 TDs by SD against a prevent D. They were only rushing 4 and the receivers were way to open for that to be man coverage.
by HoustonPA on Oct 5, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He actually corrected it to “above average” in the next comment.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random Notes
In our post season game against SD:
Parker averaged 5.4 y/c for 146 total and 2 TDs.
We kept the SD feature RB (Sproles) to 15 yards.
Last night:
Mendy averaged 5.6 y/c for 165 total and 2 TDs.
We kept the SD feature RB (Tomlinson) to 15 yards.
by Varmint on Oct 5, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good perspective. The SD defense sucks.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they suck even more with Williams injured. Mendenhall had a great game but there were 100 yards plus on the table for any of our three running backs.
by steeler.lifer on Oct 6, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like......
- how ike is getting some mentions……………..hes having a solid season and nearly caught an INT (if it weren’t for a great defensive play by Jackson) which, when considering who it is, is about as good as an actual Int.
- Mendenhall, yes we are all impressed, but he better play consistent. He looked almost super human and I don’t expect that output every game but pretty much every other game hes played in has been sub-par…….he keeps this up and hes pro bowl……….o yea, and I;ve watched his hard core block on that Chargers blizter several times, makes me go “HOLY SHIT!”
- FWP may have just lost his starting role…..and like most people here (assuming Mendy keeps it up) I wish Willie accepts a back up role. He probably would have gotten 100+ tonight too, but it wouldn’t have been as pretty.
- I’m extremely glad that we have Ben as our QB, even if he does hold the ball too long.
- Oline, i can’t say anything that hasn’t already been said……….but I never thought I’d be praising Willie Colon…..
I can’t think of anything else to say right now………….except that our offense needs to wear pink more often……
by shleeve on Oct 5, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts on the game
The offense seemed to finally put an entire game together, and, unlike last week, scored TDs instead of FGs while they dominated in the first half. Again, unlike last week, when they got the ball back with about 5 minutes left or so, they drove down the field, ate up the clock, and put the game away.
The defense was absolutely dominating in the first half, but gave up two easy drives in the 4th quarter. Like others, I wonder if the defense is getting old, or if conditioning is an issue. But, then, I seem to remember that it was like this some last year, too. In several games last year, the defense would just be like a brick wall for most of the game. The opposing offense couldn’t do a thing. But, then, there would be one or two drives where the other team drove down the field quickly and scored a TD or FG. So, maybe it’s not so different than it was last year. It’s just that it’s happened against teams that we expected to beat and it allowed those teams to win.
Anyway, as I wrote here before the season, I thought that the OL would be better this year. Indeed, based on the levels of defenses that they faced last year, I thought they were better last year than the previous year. But, let’s not get too carried away, thinking that this OL is suddenly the Cowboys of the early 90s. This was against a defense that has struggled to stop the run, and had at least two significant injuries to their front 7. Still, it was really good to see them put the game away when it was needed.
Finally, it wasn’t just the defense, as Blitz said, that let the Chargers back into the game. Giving up a fumble return for TD on STs is a killer, and not covering up that onside kick just gave them a short field right after scoring. It still seems that there are some mental concerns with the team as a whole. As others have said, it may partly be all of the younger players that are in there that has thrown off the chemistry somewhat. Still, Detroit’s defense should be another good opponent to help iron out those issues.
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Oct 5, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The emotional roller-coaster and other brain droppings
A couple of thoughts
- Been mentioned by others, but it needs repeating. This was a beat up SD defense, missing their star nose-tackle, and Merriman was playing hurt. What’s more, we’ve always been able to run against SD. It’s a good start for our OL/Rashard, but too early to celebrate the return of a run game.
-Which brings me to my next point. When you lose things look worse than they are. When you win they look better than they are. The next two weeks are going to make us look like a good football team. How will we look when we play Baltimore?
- Rashard slept in the warehouse with Deebo and responded. Can we expect Sweed to do the same? I barely saw McDonald on the field. He didn’t drop anything nor did he catch anything. He certainly didn’t stretch a thin SD defense. I still think we will see a resurrection of Limas. We can’t afford for this guy not to get a shot.
- Speaking of Rashard – 29 carries. On the one hand I love it. It’s great to that he finally got to carry the ball, and silence the strange and insane Ron Cook cult of Isaac Redman. On the other hand what’s with Tomlin and running the wheels off? So many other teams use two or three backs to pound an opponent into submission. We have the personnel, let’s use them.
- Also speaking of Rashard. Great blocking AND almost unmentioned is the fact that he looked good catching balls out of the backfield. If he can continue to do both with any regularity this offense can become scary good.
-Holmes – I hate to pick on him but we need to see more from this guy.
-Ward – I consider myself lucky to get to watch this guy play. HOF.
- 4th quarter meltdown – leaving aside the mental lapses (Mundy) and freak plays (Logan) the Steelers need to figure out what is happening in these fourth quarter situations. Troy will definitely help. Need to analyze the game tape more, but . Townsend and Ratliff both looked slow and shaky. Maybe time for Lewis and Burnett to see the field a bit?
- Logan – Are we about to see Logan get some screen passes and reverses? He made it on to the field during offense! We also know that Arians has borrowed some of Holmes wacky tabacky to help with play design – could we see more?
-Speaking of BA
- Reverse = nice – love that play.
- Legursky as full back = I heart BA
- Moore as QB = Hell yeah!
- Don’t worry about James Harrison – unless you are an opposing QB that is. James started the season hungry. But he will eat. Quietly he has 3 sacks and 3 FF on the season.
- Lamar Woodley – I am worried about him. Little pressure from the big man so far. Wonder why the slump after the monster playoff run? Is he seeing more attention? Quicker drops?
- D-Line rotation – not loving the pressure upfront from Kiesel and Smith. Ziggy hasn’t helped.
- Ben Roethlisberger is now officially a fantasy QB and I don’t just mean in Reno.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
McDonald
I saw him once. He actually did make a catch, but it was called back on a hold or some other penalty. He is not the threat that Sweed is for sure, but he catches the damn ball. I think Wallace and Holmes can stretch the field just fine and McDonald fills out slot routes.
On Lamar, I haven’t really been watching him. Someone said he has been getting double teams, but they also say that about Harrison. You cannot double team two guys and not leave open lots of holes. So I have no idea what is going on.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't use double teams and chips as an excuse
If he wants to be in the Pro Bowl anytime soon he needs to start being more productive. It’s not like he’s lining up against Pro Bowl RTs every game, so he has no excuse. Tomlin needs to call him out as well.
by StoneColdSteel on Oct 5, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mcdonald versus sweed
Sweed catches the underneath balls. He’s made some nice grabs in traffic. He just missed some funnies at crucial times. It happens. Notice that Hines dropped two easy balls yesterday and Holmes dropped one. No one batted an eyelash. If it had been Sweed he likely would have been lynched. The sample size is too small. Look how many people were positive Rashard was a bum based on a 25 carry career. Having watched his next 25 carries some of the very same folks think this guy is goin to the Hall. Of course we will need a season to know what this guy can do. The same is true of Sweed. Get him on the field against Detroit and Clevland. We need him to turn into the stud we imagined him to be on draft day. He needs touches and plenty of them to let us know who he is.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Funnies
Ha. I love the iPhone automatic speller. Funnies shoud be bunnies.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 3:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I am not really against Sweed, so I am not sure why I argued against him. I guess I am more saying McDonald deserves a shot if Sweed is dropping balls. I agree though, Sweed can catch, as I’ve said before (he did so very well in college). He should (trying to stress should) be able to be a big chunk of our offense.
He does not get the leniency that Ward gets because he does not have 10,000+ career yards and proven reliability. You have to earn your spot on this team and fan approval is not just handed out. I will let him drop some here and there if/when he has become a proven commodity in our offense. Until then, he is still competing against McDonald with Wallace as the clear #3.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if/when he becomes**
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by Johnny_S on Oct 5, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Need for Sweed
I keep repeating it, but I think it’s important (:
I know that McDonald is a proven commodity and can probably make some tough catches over the middle.
My point is that we NEED to get Sweed some playing time – to find out what he is capable off. The next two weeks the Steelers should win against poor competition. This would be the perfect time to get Sweed out on the field and road test him.
Remember how one week ago, people were calling Rashard a bust and making fun of his dancing and suggesting that Colbert’s string of good first round choices had come to a screeching halt?
Mind you this wasn’t just crazy fans on Ed Bochette’s chat. This was Post-Gazette columnist Ron Cook. And on what basis were those declarations made?
26 carries. Coming in to last nights game Rashard had a total of 26 carries in his entire NFL career.
Last night he had 29. Suddenly he is the toast of the town.
Sweed has caught 9 passes in his career. 7 in the regular season and 2 in the playoffs. He has had the ball thrown his way maybe 14 times max. That’s not that different than the amount of times Hines was thrown to last night (11 passes he caught 8) or the amount of times Santonio was targeted last week (14 passes he caught 5).
Yes Hines gets leniency, but it’s Sweed who actually needs it.
We need to get this guy on the field against the Lions and Browns. If he can make a couple catches, regain his confidence and stretch the field, we suddenly find ourselves with the best receivers in football. Come playoff time that might be REAL useful.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points Buddha
Two things, though:
1- Mendenhall had 26 carries because he got injured last year but also because he didn’t show enough in the preseason. You can bet he would have gotten more carries in the first three games if he had been as ready as he should have been. Yes the sample size was too small, but he’s partly to blame for that. I’m happy he did well, but I’m not ready to anoint him yet or to crucify his critics. He did show some really nice things, though, and I can’t wait to see more…
2-Sweed. I hate seeing a receiver drop a ball. Holmes does it way too often and even Hines had two back-to-back drive-killin’ drops yesterday. Both of them have won games for the team, though, and both have a SB MVP. Sweed needs a bit of the old Tomlin doghouse before he’s ready to see the field again. I do agree that he needs to be out there, though. It’s probably a confidence thing anyway and he’s no worse than Nate Washington was at this stage in his career. And seriously, once he’s worked his way back into the rotation, can we show a little patience with our NUMBER 4 receiver!?
by Steelfrog on Oct 5, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly agree - but still feel passionate about getting him out there
Mendy, good start but still has to show us more. 55 is not an appropriate sample size either.
In principle, I am not against the dog house, BUT I think it doesn’t work here for a three reasons:
-Sweed is a hard worker who has had game time lapses of concentration. Keeping on the bench for too long might exacerbate this issue, not cure it.
-The next two weeks give us a chance to get Sweed touches in a low risk and high potential pay-off situation. He isn’t likely to cost us the game, but he might get his Rashard moment.
- Most importantly I believe he is a better number 4 right now than McDonald. Sweed has shown consistent ability to get open both deep and underneath. Despite a couple big drops he is creating big time match-up problems as a fourth receiver. Just having him on the field right now makes our top three guys better. If he catches half of those deep balls (a reasonable percentage) – you will quickly start hearing from his haters how maybe he SHOULD the number 3 instead of Wallace.
None of that has a chance of happening with him on the bench. Let’s get the big guy out there, sooner rather than later. I don’t want to start finding out if he can overcome this problem in January.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely!
This could be a critical time in the young guy’s career. This is no time to come down hard on him and ruin his confidence.
by Billy52 on Oct 5, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken
You make an excellent point, Buddha, but we’ll have to see what the main man has to say about this. It is, after all, Mike Tomlin’s decision…
by Steelfrog on Oct 6, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you make aneven better point
Whatever my gripes I trust tomlin has more info and better judgment. If he leaves sweed on the bench it’s likely with good reason.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 6, 2009 1:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you Buddha
Like I said, I am not really against Sweed. I am just very concerned to be “trying someone out” when we are 2-2, a game back in the division with already one loss against a division rival. Yes it is early, but I’d rather be up early and have an upper hand.
IMO, Sweed should not get his “tryout” until a game is put away, which is difficult to judge now a days, because we cannot seem to put anyone away.
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by Johnny_S on Oct 6, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And even then
Thats not the prime environment to try a player out.
Detroit is a game we can, and should win. Put Limas in there.
by Mechem on Oct 7, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woodley...
Me too Buddha. I did that “How good is LaMarr Woodley” post a while back. Not to actually question his ability, but more as a rhetorical (right word?) question. Now I ask myself the question for real. It’s early, so I’m not too worried, but that little voice in my head is asking many questions. Was this great start for real? Was he just reaping 92’s benefits? Was he a result of tackles not knowing what to expect? I can’t answer any of them. I’m hoping this is a sophmore slump (in terms of actual game action), and not a sign of things to come. Some fans wanted to give him big bucks in the offseason, how do they feel so far?
by NYSteelersFan4 on Oct 5, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’ll be fine, and I’m still pretty sure he’s worth paying (if we can). I’m sure he’s helped by Harrison, but the upgrade from Haggans to him was so incredibly obvious. And you don’t get 19.5 (!) sacks over a 20 game stretch by being a fluke. He experienced the ultimate success last year as a first year starter. It’s pretty easy and human to let it go to your head a bit and take it easy. I expect him to pick it up as the year goes on, which happens to be more useful anyways.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
56
Agree with 45 above. Woodley is a HUGE upgrade over Haagans. This is maybe the best outside tandem since Lloyd/Greene. Woodley looks a little heavy. I think he will play his way into shape and be better in December than September.
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by 5020 on Oct 5, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the post.
The next two weeks are going to make us look like a good football team. How will we look when we play Baltimore?
Great question. One thing I’d say though is that the things I thought weren’t going to be good before the season (OL, playcalling) have been pleasant surprises, while the things that have gone wrong (defensive breakdowns, retarded ST plays) I’m not too concerned about going foward. We’ve improved problem areas on offense, which I had pretty much accepted would be status quo. If we can keep a “kill-em-all” mentality for 4 quarters on offense, this team should be better than last year’s variety.
As far as overworking Mendy goes, one game doesn’t mean anything. This was Mendy’s chance to shine and he performed. I doubt we’re going to run him that much every game, even if Parker isn’t healthy. Hopefully he’s earned closer to a 50-50 split with Parker that will keep both fresh.
Keen observation about Woodley. It’s not exactly clear how well he’s playing. I thought he might have an off year after having such a great year last year, and I mentioned it somewhere around here. He just wasn’t wowing anyone in camp or preseason like he was last offseason. His performance is one reason we’re having to blitz more this season, which is why we’re letting Antonio Gates run wild on our defense.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Bad
I generally agree with you positive outlook on this team, but I think I am a bit more concerned about the defensive breakdowns. It’s hard to tell what is going on, but my main area of concern is the lack of pressure late in the game. Possible solutions might or might not be:
-Rotate the young fresh studs in during the end of games. It would be nice to see a fresh and hungry Ziggy pinning his ears back and collapsing the pocket in the fourth quarter.
-Try someone other than Ratliff in the dime packages. He really didn’t look great out there. Maybe time for Lewis or Burnett?
-Hard to say, but maybe rotate some fresh legs at linebacker in the final minutes – Fox is a player.
Not sure if any of those would really work, I am just throwing it out there. It seems to me that teams like the Giants have made their living on subbing out D-linemen and rushers to make sure that you are attacking the pocket with fresh legs every single time. You rarely see 3-4 teams do that, but it’s a dynamic league, maybe it’s time to experiment.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Re Mendy – and time sharing. It wasn’t that I was worried about one game for Mendy, it is much more that like rotating D-linemen, rotating backs has the advantage of keeping guys fresh, and keeping the opposing team on their toes. We have three backs – each with a different skill set. I would love to see all three share time in a meaningful way.
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fourth Down
We’ve all talked about the benefits of having a stout running game, i.e. clock control, bad weather conditions and opening up the passing game, but I love how a confident offensive lines brings fourth down into the equation. Fourth down is 25 percent of your allowable plays. I don’t like automatically tossing 25 percent of your chances down the drain with an automatic punt. You must choose wisely, but fourth-down conversions do more than extend a drive. They rejuvenate the psyche of the entire team. Yesterday the Steelers and a week ago the Patriots used that 25 percent in their own territory. I sit behind the Steelers bench and I saw alot of energy after Ben got that sneak. Don’t know how much impact that had on the game, but I think the play call itself was a salute to the offensive line, and maybe helped it sustain their effectiveness as the game went on.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
by maryrose on Oct 5, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great point MR...
You can never discount the mental side of the game, i.e. the players confidence in their own abilities. Everyone can say they are confident, it’s another thing to play with confidence. Plays like that boost everyone’s confidence. You just never know where we’d be without plays like that. Now, if we can just get back the guy who seems to always make those plays on the other side of the ball as Ben… scary thoughts.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Oct 5, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great call
4th down is crucial. Nice to see us use it
curious to see the difference between this week and the past three in short yardage. Did we just execute better/ the chargers execute worse or was there a change of scheme on our part or the chargers part
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 3:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Also, why we won
I just wanted to share an important bit of research.
Game one, I purchased a 12 pack of brew-daddies to drink for the game. Result, a win.
Games 2-3, I only had 1 6 pack each of bottles.
Game 4, back to the 12 pack of cans. Result, Win.
When I buy a 12 pack, we win the game.
Paypal accepted if you wanna donate to the cause. I’ll be buying another next week.
by Mechem on Oct 5, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The tale of my terrible terrible towel
After the Steelers Super Bowl victory in early 2006, my mother bought me a terrible towel as a gift. Chaos ensued. Ben had his accident and appendicitis. After we won the first game of the season, I proudly displayed the towel in my cube at work. The next week, the Steelers played one of the most futile games in recent memory, losing 9-0 to the Jaguars. Every week, I’d bring the towel out and wave it, only to see us find ways to lose winable games, but I didn’t notice any connection between the towel and the games as they were played.
Until one day. The Steelers had a 4 PM game and I was watching the Ravens lose to the Panthers. As the game was starting to wind down, I got my gear out, including the towel. Within 30 seconds of bringing it out, Kyle Boller chucked a ball downfield that should have been intercepted, but instead got tipped to Mark Clayton, who ran for a Stokely-style TD, making it a tight game.
Horrified, I threw the towel back into the clothes pile I got it from and came out just in time to watch Steve Smith score on the first play of the next drive, which ended up being the winning touchdown. I kept it away and we beat the Chiefs 45-7. From then on, I brought it out a few times, as if to verify whether it was cursed, with devistating results. Eventually I put it away for good, and the Steelers went 6-2 to finish the season. I think the losses to the Ravens were still on the team, though.
In 2007, I didn’t take it out at all, with mixed but mostly good results. Last season, the towel ended up in the trunk of my car for an extended time, and that apparently contained the bad luck. After the Super Bowl, I again, foolishly, displayed the towel at work, and it sat on my desk until this past week when I put it in my the trunk of my car, propelling the Steelers to victory. It’s there for good.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't laugh!
If you doubt the power of the towel, look at the Titans. Think they realize where their troubles come from?
by WyoFan on Oct 5, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true. 0-5 next week.
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by BadMaafala on Oct 5, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agreed BA call a great game last night
I think BA finally understood that he has a great offense but players are too inconsistent to show it on the score board.
Look at the previous games; Sweed drops a touchdown, Holmes runs a bad route, Hines fumbles the ball, etc.
So what’s BA plan? He talked to the guys and said to them; I know you need to take it out of your system so let’s just use one series so you can all screw it up.
So in one series, Holmes drops a pass, Hines drops two, Mendy has his only bad run, Starks gets his holding penalty and Colon his automatic false start penalty of the night. We end up with third and 30. No problem, just punt the ball and play almost perfect for 38 points the rest of the game.
Good plan!!!! Think about it, if these mistakes happened in three different drives, could have been 10 to 14 points of the board.
by mikemex on Oct 5, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Recap
as usual, Michael! I’m glad that you credited the O line with some of the success Mendenhall had. They really stepped up. It was deliriously fun to be able to cheer a Steelers running game again. I really hope that Mendy can keep up the good work and earn a spot as our starting back. I would like to see FWP go back to coming in for key plays to change things up and hopefully break out a few long ones, but I’ve never thought he should be our main running back. He just hasn’t been averaging that much per carry, and I think Ben will only excel even more when other teams respect our running game.
by B&GinSLC on Oct 5, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two quick observations:
1. Using the back up center at FB – great call, he created a HUGE hole for AMENdenhall to run through. Love the creative thinking on short yardage situations
2. Yeah Mendy was good on the run, but anyone else notice the absolutely stellar job he did picking up the blitzes and protecting Ben? He LAID that one guy out and then turned to look for someone else to hit. Love the fact he is doing well on the little things too.
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by Matt Daddy on Oct 5, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
he was on his assignments last night. Good work by Tomlin, the master motivator.
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Oct 5, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great picture of Rivers and Ben
Good catch on that one Blitz
by SteelerBuddha on Oct 5, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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