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The Pittsburgh Steelers At The Quarter Pole

I asked RickVa if he would write a series of posts this year on BTSC. Once before the season, and then once every four games. His ability to conceptualize the bigger picture and write compelling prose made him an obvious choice for the series of posts. Many thanks to him for his latest installment in the series. - Blitz - (Michael B.)

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Some observations after completing the first quarter of the season. - RickVa

What an exciting month. Four games, each one up for grabs until the end. The Champs win two and drop two. And yes, it coulda, shoulda been 3-1, or even 4-0. Coulda been 1-3 too. There are a lot of interesting things to talk about as we move forward, but I am going to begin by talking about the Steeler Nation meltdown.

Star-divide

...Are you feeling blessed?

That's how I began my last major post a month ago just prior to the beginning of the season. The answer from entirely too many members of Steeler Nation has been 'Hell no'! Putting aside a very stubborn optimistic streak, I certainly acknowledge that the season has begun in a manner that has been surprising and somewhat disorienting. And while I am sure that many, if not most fans have taken developments in stride, a considerable minority have put the lie to the notion of Steelers fans being knowledgeable and sophisticated. Passionate? Absolutely. They have been pushing the panic button early, loud and often. Let's see if we can keep a  few things in pespective.

It's September football. Super Bowls are rarely won or lost in September (although a 1-3 or 0-4 record would have placed us in a very uncomfortable hole. We should all be grateful we're not the Titans). The networks and journalists have to sell newspapers and beer in the early fall as well later in the year. Consequently, a week four matchup between a 3-0 and 2-1 team takes on the pretensions of being the Apocalypse. I wouldn't suggest that anyone book a hotel in south Florida for February just yet.

Two years ago the Steelers blew out of the gate but were a tired team by December and lost in the first round of the playoffs. Yes, teams like the Ravens, Colts, Giants, Broncos and Saints look terrific now; and teams like the Steelers, Patriots and Eagles appear to be stumbling.  Let's see where things stand at Thanksgiving.

Most of us are fans for a reason; we are not knowledgeable enough, skilled enough or patient enough to be anything else. I live in the Washington DC area and folks down here are living a nightmare because their team has been run into the ground by a 'fan' named Daniel Snyder. Down here it's say that if they held the Super Bowl in March the Skins would win every year. This year it would have been for the acqusition of Alvin Haynesworth. Snyder runs his operation like its fantasy football. We have different issues. Many Steelers fans seem to get overly enamored with whatever boy wonder materializes in training camp in August. For a couple of years it was Harris, this year its Redman. Mendenhall's performance this week would have been impossible if the lunatic fringe had been in control. They would have run him out of town (along with the O-Line) weeks ago. We're entitled to our impatience and/or fantasies of course, but I know too many people who are having difficulty enjoying the ride because they believe that Tomlin is an "idiot" as well as the entire Steeler brain trust.

Where we stand. On one hand we are one game off pace of where we were last year at this time.The worse part is that the loss to Cincinnati put us into a chase position as far as the division title is concerned. It also opened the door for the Bengals to be players in division affairs for the first time in several years. And from what we saw this weekend, while they probably won't be in the running for the title, the Browns are in position to be a nuisance. We can control our own destiny, but games such as this week's matchup between the Ravens and Bengals will go a long way in determining how difficult that task will be. One the other hand we are playing much better than we were a year ago. The difference in the offense is night and day. Remember in the fourth game last year vs the Ravens the offense was being mercilessly booed because they couldn't generate drives, or even first downs. In fact, there are some interesting parallels as to how that game and this year's game against the Bengals played out. While there have been some bumps in the road with special teams, specifically Jeff Reed's inconsistent performance, it is hardly in the same category as the cringe inducing activities of last year's crew. Defense has been a bit disappointing compared to last year, but this is all relative. They are not playing badly, but not nearly as dominant as we have come to expect. Of course, this begs the question: if the Steelers are playing so much better why the inferior results? Let me give this a shot.

Super Bowl hangover? Nah, I don't think so. It's true that in some respects the team isn't as sharp as it probably could be or will be, but this is by and large a good thing. The one thing nobody wants is a team that peaks too early. There have been some errors by some of the younger and less experienced players. But it wouldn't be wise to make too much of this. Frankly, the difference between being 2-2 and 4-0 probably boils down to two plays that were not made. The difference, I think, is that teams are trying beat us at our own game. The Bears and Bengals managed to succeed. What do I mean by "our own game"? I believe that as fans we underestimate the extent that championship teams are the subject of intense scrutiny. How did they do it? Careers and millions of dollars hang in the balance. What did the league learn from the Steelers this past year? Tomlin stated it straight up at the trophy ceremony in Tampa; "Steelers football is sixty minutes. It isn't pretty, forget about style points." The Bears and the Bengals beat us essentially in the same manner that we beat the Ravens (twice), Chargers, Cowboys, Jaguars and took the Colts, Eagles and Giants to the brink. Sixty minutes of perseverance. Stay close and then sprint to the finish line. Winning ugly is still winning. Add the fact that in many respects the Steelers play their best ball from behind. This year we have been jumping out to strong early leads. We are more psychologically suited when we are playing under duress or threat. It's hard not to let up a bit when you feel that you are dominating an opponent. However, the offense showed signs that they are learning how to be ruthless and remaining focused for four quarters against the Chargers.

Defense. How did the defense go from strength tp (relative) weakness; unable to generate turnovers or shutdown other offenses late in the game? Three possibilities come to mind. Number one: Troy. I don't like this one because I hate to think that the loss of one player could be so catastrophic. But I do have to acknowledge that Troy is an exceptional player who seemed on his way to reaching a level of performance in some unknown, higher dimension when Crumpler so rudely fell on his knee. Number two: the various offensive geniuses around the league went into their labs this spring and solved LeBeau's scheme. Possible, but too simplistic for my taste. Number three, and my preference: the chess match. If I were LeBeau I wouldn't show much of anything in September, just enough of an vanilla defense that should allow the team to muddle through some wins. After Halloween I break out the 'What the Hell?' packages that no one will be able to figure out until March of next year.

Ben. As mentioned last month, Ben is, indeed, much better. He's playing with great confidence, using all available weapons and is very accurate. He's being sacked less (Thanks O-line! More about them in a moment),being hit  less, intercepted less. He's currently leading the League in completion percentage. You heard it here first; with Ben at the helm this is an offense that can now regularly score in the 30s and above. Lets see what happens in another month.

O-Line. Okay, let me begin. I apologize to Willie Colon because I didn't think he was capable of being good enough to do what he's doing now. I humbly suggest that the rest of you get right with God as well. I certainly wouldn't be preparing busts for Canton, but this group is coalescing into a competent unit. Ben is getting time, the running backs are beginning to get lanes. Let me be blunt, its time to shut the Hell up about the offensive line. Particularly when you consider that players like Kemoeatu and Essex are in their second and first years as starters. They are growing very nicely.

B. A. Any problems with run/pass balance? Or with anything else? Sorry, but we're fast approaching the point where critics of Arians will appear increasingly to seem mean spirited and out of touch. His philosophy may not be your cup of tea, but it is successful.

Cary Davis. I used to be in the Cary Davis must go crowd. I just couldn't see what the team saw in the guy. I've changed my mind. I remember the AFC Championship game where Davis was responsible for knocking at least two Ravens out of the game on special teams. Then there was an interview of a number of his teammates after he was cut. Reading between the lines it seemed clear to me that players like Colon and Ben were not happy that he had been cut. As fans we tend to overestimate what we know about what goes on in the lockerroom. I don't think that Davis will ever be a significant offensive contributor to be valued by the average fan. But I am coming to the belief that he is strong leader on this team and will probably hang in on this roster for the rest of season.

Limas Mendenhall. The discussion last week was about the 2008 draft class being a bust. One poster on BTSC labeled Mendenhall "Ms. Mendy". I guess that Sunday may only be a fluke. Maybe Mendenhall is too soft, runs to high, etc., etc. Of course it is also possible that some of us are impatient idiots that don't know what we are talking about. Just sayin'. I make the point because popular opinion states that Limas Sweed should become intimately acquainted with the undercarriage of the bus. Don't get me wrong, he has made some mistakes, but writing him off is a bigger mistake than anything he's done. Ncoolong's post on 10/3/09 makes the point more eloquently, but it's not that he's dropping balls. He's making the difficult catches and dropping the easy ones. And the reason that they are easy is because he's running great patterns and achieving separation. Maybe he has some sort of mental block that he may never overcome. I'd hate to be proven wrong as he becomes an All Pro with someone else. This franchise has the advantage of not needing their young players to be great immediately; a great luxury to have. If Limas can overcome this issue, a receiving corps that includes Holmes, Miller, Sweed, Wallace and 'Ward could prove to be undefensible. McDonald is solid, but the long term upside for Sweed is undeniable.

What to look for in the second quarter. If things go well the Steelers will be off the radar for the next couple of weeks. The most likely way we would make headlines is if we struggle or (God forbid!) lose to either the Lions or Browns, or (gulp) both. Don't see that happening quite frankly. October will be spent separating the players from the pretenders. Are the undefeated teams that good? Are the winless teams that bad? Pittsburgh simply won't be that interesting until we hit the Vikings. I felt we'd struggle the first month. My intuition says we beat the Vikings solidly as we contain AP and put tremendous pressure on Farve. That would put us at 5-2 going into the Bye. And then all Hell breaks loose in November.

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I always enjoy your posts Rick, thanks for the insights. I also think it’s too early to believe the sky has fallen.

As the defensive problems I do think there is an element of O-coordinators figuring out the Steelers defense. That’s not to say Lebeau and the players won’t rise above the problems, but for now these 3 step drop patterns make it difficult for our defense to play its game. In essense it allows the offense to dictate to the defense, whereas last year our defense would dictate to their offense.

by Chicago Steeler on Oct 8, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no worries pitt. you’ll be in the playoffs easily. you’ll be 6-2 before you know it.

by raven on Oct 8, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On LeBeau's holdout

Man I hope your right. But my gut tells me that when a pro Defensive coordinator has to play Pro football teams he uses Pro Schemes. Week in and week out they should use their best schemes, especially when your best secondary player is out. I’m no coordinator, obviously so I could be wrong and LeBeau is going to break out the Golden Chaos schemes come November. Hmmm… Nice write up. I enjoyed it and especially the organization.

Bring a towel to the game. Black or gold or yellow. If you don't have one buy one, If you can't buy one, dye one!!!

by SoCalSteelerFan on Oct 9, 2009 1:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

*stands up and starts slow clap*

Excellent post my friend.

by Mr 412 on Oct 9, 2009 2:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

The divisional matchup is a tough one to root for. I think it is accepted that the ravens will end up with the better record, and therefore a loss to cincy would be great. At the same time, if cincy wins that puts them at 4-1 having beaten two divisional rivals (well three, but I’m not paying attention to their cleveland game). More importantly for the steelers, they have already beaten us unlike the ravens.

On the flip side, a ravens win puts them at 4-1 and on pace to rack up a great record…

Either way there are plusses and minusses. I don’t think I can be happy or unhappy with either result. I don’t consider the bengals a serious contender yet…but they did beat us, and if they beat the ravens, they are for real.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 9, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly so it really doesn't matter

I just want the Ravens to win so these Who dey people that came out from under their rocks will quiet down. The Steelers can beat both of them so it they go 3-0 against the two the rest of the way a Bengal loss pays off better.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 9, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, theoretically we can beat the ravens twice and can only beat the ravens once.

I’m not going to root for it, but if the two teams happen to destroy each other, I wouldn’t be unhappy.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 9, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen....I want to see abrutal game with helmets flying and noses running

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 9, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Er, bengals once, whatever.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 9, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew what you meant

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 9, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Troy

We were all amazed by Troy’s first half performance. On reflection after the fact, though I have not rewatched it, I have to question if Troy had really improved his game (though I’m sure he has somewhat) to stratospheric levels. I don’t think he had. I think it was an indication merely that the rest of our defense was not as great as it was last year. Last year, Troy didn’t need to make all of those amazing tackles. Unfortunately, he is the only one that can, and without him in, and with our defense struggling, there is no one there to pick up the slack.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 9, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't argue that point, but I tend to believe that it's just a early season slump

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 9, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not convinced our defense won’t come out of it, but thus far there is a lot to be worried about. I’ve been very happy with Ike’s play and Hampton looks like a new fat-man.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 9, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...it's going to be interesting to see:

1. How Ike does against Calvin Johnson. Detroit fans seem to think he’s going to have a field day. If Ike holds him down and continues to be solid, I hope people take notice and vote for him for the Pro Bowl. He’s not a pretty stat man he just gets the job done like a fast backboard. (insert picture of ball bouncing off backboard.)

2. The new fat man keeps getting it done. I hope he now realizes why they need him in shape. It’s not like he SHOULD only play two downs. If he stays in shape (no pun) he would be that much more effective on all downs. Instead of going to the sideline to get O2.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 9, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s funny. We always hear from other teams how their star WR is going to have a field day against Ike Taylor. Vincent Jackson posted 6/141 and 5/120 against Baltimore and Miami. Against Pittsburgh he posted 56 yards. And against Oakland he posted…56 yards. I hear Oakland has a pretty good corner. Ike’s performance was probably just because of the awesome safeties backing him up.

Steelerfury had a good point about Hampton. If he continues like he has, he is very valuable on third downs because he can push the pocket in. In the fourth quarter against SD Woodley/Harrison were often very close to rivers, but he typically avoided the rush by stepping into the pocket. If we can keep that pocket from being available, those are sacks or FFs. Big Snack is playing for a contract and looks like it. If he plays like this, I won’t be surprised to see the steelers offer an extension, and I won’t be unhappy about it either with his backups being non-existent.

Speaking of fat men, how many pounds do you think Carey put on? He actually looked like a full-back. I wonder if that was intentional or whether he was letting himself go. Either way, I hope he has embraced his role.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 9, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah Carey is an overflowing back now

I agree. We really need Hampton to be able to play more than 1st and 2nd downs for a whole game. I don’t know how it’s going to work out, but I don’t want him to leave.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 9, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec’d for ‘overflowing back’

carey got back?

by acrollet on Oct 13, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carey got back and I cannot lie

you other fans can deny…

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 14, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't deny

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 14, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

carey got back

but I don’t know if he got a roster spot much longer with DJ back and seemingly playing well…

by acrollet on Oct 14, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So since the DJ is playing

They won’t play Carey got Back? He must like the west coast sound….

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 14, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is only 5’3"

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 14, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Hoke

is Hampton’s backup, and anchored a 15-1 season in ’04, when The Snack was on IR

by tobiathan on Oct 12, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And has not looked good this year, which is, by the way, 5 whole years later.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 13, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Commenting on Ike

was one of the things I overlooked when preparing this post. His work against the Bengals was exceptional, and the body of his effort all year has been top shelf. If he had good hands he would be the complete package. Nonetheless he deserves serious consideration for the Pro Bowl.

by RickVa on Oct 9, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was laughable listening to some fans of other AFCN teams after the Cinci game

These people just don’t have a perspective on the season as a whole. Now the Steelers are underestimated, middle-ranked in the oh-so-important power rankings, and a game back in the division. So what? There’s 14 games to play. Hey Cinci, you still have to come to our house…

Here’s a thought. The ravens will be our artillery for some big games coming up. They will attack and deplete enemy positions while we await from a safe distance. They will hopefully shell-shock QBs and CBs alike. They go to Minn and soften up the Vikings. Then the Viks come to the Steelers all beat up. After that, the ravens play the Broncos while the Steelers are on a bye-week. While the Broncos are still licking their wounds, the rested Steelers come and kick their stinkin’ butts! Just a thought.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 9, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Good observations about the ravens playing teams before the steelers.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 9, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2

I remember thinking the Ravens would tenderize the Titans for us last year. Obviously, they had more lofty aspirations, but I still they’re pretty good at that sort of thing.

by Varmint on Oct 9, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the titans tenderized the ravens too

man we need homefield advantage and a bye again this year.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 9, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the Defense

The “‘What the Hell?’ packages” comment is classic.

On Troy and the Defense. This D is designed aroung the all world SS for the Pittsburgh Steelers. All summer Dick was planning for the release of Troy on the NFL, see the 1/2 game he played. All of a sudden 6 months of planning go in the toilet. No matter how good you are as a coach, that hurts and takes some time to regroup. Hopefully that is done now. As luck will have it, Detroit and Cleveland come at a pretty good time for the healt of the Steelers. Even if Troy plays this Sunday he could get some time off.

by SNW on Oct 9, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, but no.

I cannot believe Dick LeBeau would be so foolish as to design his defense around a single player.

I get the opposite impression, based on what I’ve read. LeBeau designs a defense and Troy is one of the few players that is allowed to freelance.

by Varmint on Oct 9, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Yeah, from the sounds of it Troy gets to freelance a bit as long as he covers his area. Luckily he’s got angels in the outfield carrying him from spot to spot on the field.

by Chicago Steeler on Oct 9, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't agree with the angels angle

or they would have pulled him out of that pile, just before his leg go squished.

by SNW on Oct 9, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fatty Crumpler is an evil angel

that’s why it didn’t work—he still has friends that are good angels, and they helped him out

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no without yoga or whatever troy does he is out for the season

"Polamalu’s lineage can be traced through several roots. Chuck Norris mated with an Amazon Queen, and on the other side, Tony Hawk mated with Mother Nature.

The two children of these spawned and fused in a tantric love session to create Troy Polamalu. The mother however died as he tore through the birth canal with a spin move."
Mechem on the roots of Troy Polamalu

by WVPiratesfan on Oct 12, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I, off the record, think Crumpler

did it knowingly.

 He looks down at Troy’s knee as he shifts his weight towards it. I could be wrong, of course. But i’m not…

by tobiathan on Oct 12, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really don’t think he was looking down at the ball? You can tell he was looking at the leg, which, ya know, wasn’t very far from the ball on the ground? Seriously?

by worldtrip on Oct 13, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone who has a toy like Troy

Can’t help but play with it.
My best worker is the one I go to day in and day out. I use each worker to there strengths. If one is gone the whole is worse, if the best is gone the whole is worse than if the worst is gone.
My guess is a football team is the same.

by SNW on Oct 9, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I enjoyed reading this as much as anything I’ve ever read on here. And that’s saying something, between blitz, mr, and dyms as well as others, I’ve read some great stuff. Well done.

by worldtrip on Oct 9, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks worldtrip

I’m a big fan of Blitz, MR, dyms and several others, so I consider your sentiment high praise.

by RickVa on Oct 10, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not feeling particularly blessed

Yeah, I guess all the fans who complain about the Steelers’ performance so far this season are just over-reacting. After all, Tomlin and Arians are practically infallible, so anyone who doesn’t agree with them belongs in a strait-jacket. Right.

Interesting that your new pal, Carey Davis, was also once a “boy wonder” in training camp. Also interesting that most people were willing to stick with Mendenhall because he’s a first-round pick, but quickly dismiss the undrafted Redman without so much as a shot at playing in a game that counts. What genius!

by Billy52 on Oct 9, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Mendy was being stuck with because he was a first round pick, it’s because he had potential. There’s a huge difference. They saw what he was capable of. It’s not always an overnight jump from college to pro.

Redman had a great preseason, no doubt, but there’s a huge difference between that and the real time. He needs to work his butt off at training, learn the subtleties of the game, and he’ll get his shot if he deserves it. I trust Coach Tomlin enough to know that draft pick doesn’t count.

by mojo88 on Oct 10, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't know me very well, do you?

If you did you would know that I have been a member in good standing of the Arians Must Go movement. And I don’t think he’s infallible now. The core issue in his case is that new offenses are not installed and working perfectly overnight. In fact, the three years that it has taken for things to really kick in is about right. Cohesion with the offensive line is not an overnight affair either. Now I was at or near the front of the lynch mob on both occasions, so my comments stand as an apology for past behavior. You live and learn.

Can’t agree with you on Davis either. My memory says that he has suffered in comparisons with Dan Kreider and has always had a rather rabid anti-fan club. And who knows? I may be dead wrong about Redman v. Mendenhall. But my guess, based upon experience is Redman is popular among many precisely because he lacks any legitimate body of work to judge. He’s pure potential which can be very subjective. But there usually are legitimate reasons why some players go undrafted.

by RickVa on Oct 10, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't apologize; Arians really DOES suck!

Too many people keep saying stuff like “Arians must be doing something right.” And why is that? Just because he’s got one of the best QBs ever running his offense—that makes him a guru??

On my remark about Carey Davis, I distinctly remember in his rookie year that he was identified by more than one mainstream pundit as being the phenom of training camp. I like Davis, but he’s never lived up to those lofty expectations. And all I’ve ever said about Redman is that nobody can judge this guy without giving him a chance. I don’t know what else the guy needs to do to earn that chance. But I don’t expect it to happen anytime this year.

by Billy52 on Oct 10, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On Redzone

He was brought up as a safety net in case The Rash stunk on ice last Sunday. MeMo is NOT an “every down” back, and Logan is too valuable IMO in the return game to risk him getting hurt being that “every down” back. Therefore, if The Rash had sucked ass, there would only be MeMo to get carries. But wait! There’s this guy who lit up the field in pre-season who’s on our PS. The Rash had a career game, so Redzone didn’t see the field. That’s it.

"My doctor said I'd quit getting nosebleeds if I just kept my finger out of there!"
-Ralph Wiggum

by SteelFever on Oct 10, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Write Up & Summary

Patience is the key. I think we as fans of football tend to get a little anxious, even in September, because the season is only 16 games. Each one is important (unless you clinch with 4 to play in early December). This isn’t the other sports with 80+ games in a season and the expected 12 – 15 clunkers being accepted.

I agree about Couch L and the defense – he’s been dialing it up seems like forever, so the best is yet to come.
Ben is playing out of this world; Coach A and Ben’s relationship/trust is really high right now which makes them both better – and I’m not a fan of Coach A.
Mendy, at least I’m hoping, seems to have woken up…
Limas…I’m just not sure what to think about. The potential is otherwordly when you give it thought. Folks, this is the NFL and while there are occasional break downs in the secondary, how the hell does this guy GET THAT WIDE OPEN? Not once, not twice, but we pick on how many drops so far? From that perspective, he’s obviously got a lot going on. Now if he could just hold onto the ball….but I digress….

Great post RickVA, some fine reading the eve of a game…

by dawgs144 on Oct 10, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Enjoyed too

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Oct 11, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post Rick, as usual

You always have a great overall perspective. As fans it’s only natural after a SB season to have high expectations and I have obviously been guilty of that, too (predicting a 14-2 record for instance (although the Patriots in 2003 started 2-2 and finished 14-2 and won a Super Bowl). Overall the team has played better than a 2-2 record would indicate and should continue to improve as they reduce the mental errors. A couple of early-season losses can serve a useful purpose but losing win-able games is never a good thing. The offense is in great shape and is completing the transition to a pass-first team that can nonetheless have a good running game. The Minnesota game will be a great test of where the offense is at.

My lingering concerns are with the defense and in particular pass defense, both in terms of pressure and coverage. We aren’t getting a lot of one-on-one victories, the kind that end up in sacks, fumbles and interceptions, either getting to the quarterback or covering short-area receivers. I’m not sure about Lebeau being deliberately vanilla to keep something back, I just think we’re getting little pressure up front and poor play in nickel and dime defenses from veterans like Townsend and Ratliff, while allowing Carter to be exposed in single coverage. Troy’s return will be a huge help, but at some point this season perhaps Keenan Lewis gets a chance to show what he can do. Townsend looks old, Ratliffe not good enough. Maybe we will also see more of Hood as the season progresses but overall this is a veteran defense that can cope with a long season and will get sharper and more aggressive as the season progresses.

by steeler.lifer on Oct 11, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree on Ratliffe

 He’s been in the right place a lot, but hasn’t quite made the big play. He’s still very new to this highly-complicated defense, and i’d say he’s got a shot at being a real contributor. He is, after all, a rookie.

by tobiathan on Oct 12, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Second time I have read this and it is a well written post. I will admit I just discovered this site before the season started so I haven’t been here very long. There seems to be a growing divide that quite frankly is ruining the quality of the posts. Either the sky is falling or it is the flower power season of the steelers and anyone who points out a problem area (I suppose area of opportunity would be more appropriate) is an instant villain or a browns fan. Here are some thoughts. The sky is a long way from falling. The offense is on verge of being one of the most explosive around but is also still gelling and in that growth period things like dropped balls, wrong routes, timing mistakes will happen. The defense is struggling in the sense that it is clearly not as dominant as it has been and it is also in a growth period. Troy made Gay better, without Troy you have players who aren’t strong enough to make the player next to them better, trying to do just that. When he comes back there are still issues to address but more than likely far fewer of them. The obvious reality is that almost no team goes undefeated and I do agree that it really isn’t worth the added pressure to try. I do not buy into the whole, ooh that’s cool we don’t want to win too many games in Sept.. anyway. I am sorry but that is complete crap, you play to win, the earth doesn’t crumble if you lose here or there but you play to win, period(and please before it starts this is aimed at the comments not that I think the Steelers aren’t playing to win). If there is an issue, an example would be the early season OL play, feel free to give opinion on what would make it better or why it is struggling but try to do it with a little more thought than they suck. When the situation has improved be man enough to give credit where it is due. For fans, football is an emotional thing, let’s not try to take all of it out and make this a zen, golf claps only type site and before you blurt out all the steeler woes with your finger tips what your beer enhanced brain is thinking, stop and think it through a little.

by DarinS on Oct 12, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

rec’d….and ALOT of people on this site need to read this

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 13, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a little historical perspective

the people who have been on this blog a little longer remember the constant showers of negativity last year, particularly after the Philly game, and while Ben was playing hurt. It got ridiculous, calls for Lefty to be the starter, and on and on. Guess what? The Steelers won the super bowl that same season!

So anyway, it gets really tiring to see the same old stuff, multiple posts completely full of negativity and whining after a win about a team with a winning record. If you look at the front page, you’ll notice that Blitz has posted several breakdowns about what the Defense got wrong on Sunday, so it’s not all flowers and candy either…

by acrollet on Oct 13, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand but there is a difference

I can understand how that would be annoying, it just seemed like the last few days that almost everyone who’s post included Steeler areas of opportunity, were just thrown under the bus(no pun intended). I agree that posts that are over the top as in we’re the worst or no way we win any more games, or our defense is way better than last year(it goes both ways) well you get the point, those probably deserve some fall back. Those who actually bring up valid points about areas that are a concern deserve at least intelligent conversation, whether you(not you personally) agree or disagree.

by DarinS on Oct 13, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not trying to pick, and I'm not a fighter

but taking the battle out the blog is like not being able to hit the quarterback

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Oct 13, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

again, there's a difference

not talking about taking the battle or debates out. Seeing almost nothing but the sky is falling, breathe, relax, don’t panic, we’re wonderful and suckering teams into thinking we aren’t great, to OMG we’ll never win again. I’m sorry but that was just getting old. Argue, disagree whatever. Just put a little thought behind, that is all I am saying, and I didn’t take it as a pick at all, actually sounds like you’re saying the same thing just in a much shorter fashion, lol.

by DarinS on Oct 14, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a great post?

Not to pick on you Rick, but you seem to walk perilously close to the edge of fan-boy…

Let’s review your “Blessed” predictions from 9-8 (http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/9/8/1021253/counting-our-blessings)

Mike Tomlin. The Zen Master who pushes all the right buttons…

Ben. Better than Brady or Manning — a young QB who has not yet peaked…

Harrison Better than last year.

Special Teams. A new strength for the Steelers, mostly due to Logan

Receiving Corps Better than Swann and Stallworth.

Defense. Better than last year…
I quote: “And I really, really think that they are not just going to stop other teams, they’re gonna beat the Hell out of them as well.”

Limas Mendenhall. again I quote: Last year’s high draft choices stepping up is going to be really big plus for this team.

So… let’s see how those football predictions fared… shall we?

Tomlin: I love Mike, I really do. But he is the head coach, and the buck stops there. This team has been dreadful in the 4th quarter. Why? I see only two possible reasons: One, they lack conditioning, or two, they have been “playing not to lose” in the 4th quarter and are backing off into the “Bend but don’t break” mentality that just about cost them the Super Bowl against a vastly inferior Cardinals team.

So, it is either a result of Tomlin’s “Camp Cupcake” or because he is telling LeBeau to call off the dogs. Either way, he’s on the hook for the fading finishes of the Steelers. Sorry. It is just the way it is.

And his calmness after the Chicago loss really bothered me. It set us up for accepting the Cincinnati loss as well. I would never trade Tomlin for Rex Ryan, but I much preferred Ryan’s reaction to losing to Miami. I want a coach to admit that he was outcoached, and vow to be better. Not just shrug and say: “Well they made some plays.” No kidding. And it is your job to stop that.

Ben: OK, I will not throw these losses at Ben’s feet — but two pick six gifts sure haven’t helped the cause. I like Ben, and think he is a franchise QB… But he’d better stop the pick six habit he has picked up or it will be a hard row to hoe. Can you imagine Ed Reed watching those films and drooling?

Special Teams? Logan has had some nice returns — he also gave up a TD to the Chargers that gave them life. Reed missed a few we would have expected him to make. And did you see those great starting positions for the freaking Lions? I cannot say our Special teams are winning their third of the game this year… can you?

Receiving Corps…? You mean the one that no longer includes Sweed…right? Hines is quietly having a good year. Wallace has been a pleasant surprise… but what about our most recent Super Bowl MVP. He has not taken over any game thus far, and has dropped a couple he should have had. (I will repeat what I said in the other thread… please remind me of a time Lynn Swann dropped a TD pass…?) Ben’s getting great at the checkdown pass — which is fine… but it is happening because our Wideouts are not getting open much. Sweed — God bless his stone hands — can get separation, and then can’t catch the pass. Wallace blazes by his defender, then drops the ball, and for added measure kicks it to get a delay of game penalty. This is a blessing?

I’m not saying our Receiver corps sucks — but it isn’t in the top twenty five percent of the NFL. It certainly is not better than any in Steelers history.

Defense… better than last year? Really? You didn’t start your post by apologizing for that hyperbole? Our defense is not better than the Bengals. Let me repeat that slower… We… are…not…as…good…as…the…Cincinnati…freaking…Bengals.

Nuff said.

Limas Mendenhall…? Limas will be picking splinters out of his ass for the rest of the season. Mendenhall has been a pleasant surprise. I will admit it. He also has been running against some pretty easy fronts. San Diego couldn’t stop Willie Parker last year in the playoffs either — and then Baltimore and Arizona showed how easy that was. So, let him do it against the Ravens and Vikings, and I will publish a nice big Mea Culpa and take back every bad thing I said about him.

I guess what I am saying, Rick in VA, is that you have lost a bit of credibility after you told me that the Steelers were in fine shape and we should all be counting our blessings. Now you tell me that things are just fine, because we managed to climb back above .500 with a win over the Detroit Lions.

Sorry. I am not comforted.

This team is playing barely better than the 2006 version that ended up watching the Playoffs from TV. They are playing congenial hosts to all the teams and generously letting them stay in games at the end. Then they smile nicely for the camera and give platitudes to their opponents when they come off the mat and K.O. them with a sucker punch in the fourth quarter.

This is not the attitude of a champion.

They’d better get the edge back, or they will be watching the Bengals play Baltimore in the wildcard game, while they wait for their Tee times, and call down to room service to have their TV sets fixed…

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 13, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"We… are…not…as…good…as…the…Cincinnati…freaking…Bengals."

this statement is nonsense. They may have gotten the win, but I refuse to believe cinci’s D is better than the Steelers. Patience is all that is needed to prove this.

I can see the point of your post is to be provocative and get reactions. Good job.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 13, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Explain to me

Why you think the Steelers D is better than the Bengals?

Because they have cooler uniforms?

It’s OK to be a fan. I am a Steelers fan. Always have been. Always will be. When the Steelers lose, I feel it viscerally. But I didn’t check my brain at the door.

The Bengals defense is, arguably, better than the Steelers this year. For one thing, in the head to head battle, their defense beat our offense, while our defense failed to stop their offense. What do you call that, if not “better.”

There have been more points scored against the Steelers defense than the Bengals. The Steelers are better against the run — but the way Culpepper was passing against us in the 4th quarter, I wonder why anyone even tries to run against the Steelers.

The Bengals have had more interceptions than the Steelers, and given up fewer touchdowns through the air. They have also had more interceptions returned for touchdowns than we have.

If you don’t think the Bengals Defense outplayed the Steelers defense in the head to head match up, you weren’t watching. And, for that matter, they also just out battled the Ravens vaunted defense — in case you missed it.

You can blame it on Troy being out if you like. But this defense is not the same one that dominated games and took the Steelers to the Super Bowl last year. It just isn’t. And anyone who thinks differently is smoking something.

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 13, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't need you condescending to me, jerk off

and now as of this afternoon, you are correct, so screw it move on

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 13, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you missed the Bengals game MarkJoel66

Because the Bengals got DOMINATED all game until the last drive….you are a Steeler fan?? Coulda fooled me

You said all the crap about stats – if stats were all that mattered, Peyton Manning would have 10 rings by now, BUT HE DOESN’T.

FACT: The Steelers are FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR better than the Bengals.

It’s week 5 man, calm down and enjoy the season, Troy comes back (and the shutting down of opponents comes back with him) Sunday.

R – E – L – A – X.

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 13, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah the Steelers dominated

Right up until the time we didn’t and then lost the game.

Oooops.

Thanks for the analysis, genius…

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 13, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

obviously you're the genius

arguing on this post about how much better the Bengals are than the Steelers, then on other posts arguing that they are going to fold….good job genius….

Oh, and you’re (finally) right about one thing – the Steelers did dominate that game….they just gave up a TD drive at the end….doesn’t take away one bit from the domination of the first 55 minutes, dumbass….

You are the ONLY PERSON ANYWHERE, including Bengals fans, that thinks the Bengals are better than the Steelers.

Once again, good job….ass.

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 14, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I think most bengals fans think the bengals are better in this moment.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 14, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope

they know the truth….they may say otherwise, but they know the truth

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 14, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately we have to deal with what they say, which sounds a lot like “blah blah blah”.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 14, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coming from somebody that is smoking something

I think you need to look yourself in mirror and try to say the words “we are not as good as the cincinnati freaking Bengals” without laughing at yourself. I know I freaking can’t

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Oct 13, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just

blazed up and tried it, LMAO i couldnt do it with a straight face!…. im gonna go try again….

Ron Paul was Right.

by Steelchamps !! on Oct 13, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not what I said

I said their defense outplayed us. Check the scoreboard.

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 15, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we have two losses

on the road, by a field goal, to the 3-1 Bears and the AFC North leading (LMAO) Bengals, WITHOUT TROY, and with some bonehead rookie mistakes and a missed FG in Chicago….I’d say that’s pretty damn good

We also beat the Titans and Chargers, two of the favorites for the Super Bowl before the season began.

Not bad if you ask me.

Oh yeah, the D is the what, 7th ranked(??) and the O is 4th ranked, I think.

There are alot of teams out there that would be very happy with that.

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 15, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark

You have a remarkable talent for selective perception and misrepresentation. Let me respond to just some of this.

This the second time you have accused me of being on the edge of “fan boy.” Whatever that means. I’ll assume that in your mind I’m some sort of Pollyanna. I don’t mind if that’s how you feel. I openly self characterize myself as an optimist, and that is the angle I take on my posts. But I really challenge what I think are some mischaracterizations on your part.

“…are you feeling blessed? Consider that 15 NFL franchises nearly half the league, have never had a championship off season during the modern (Super Bowl) era. Consider also that even for an organization like our own which holds the record for Super Bowl victories, a championship must still be viewed as a rare event, occurring on an average of once every seven years.”

“With expectations high and the margin of error slim we may quickly forget how good we’ve had it lately, and how long it may take before we reach these heights again.”

Just wanted to make sure you recall the tone of that post which carries into this one. Winning championships is a tough business. Certainly not a suggestion of preordination, ease or exaggeration in the level of difficulty required to repeat.

Tomlin. “Unlike a lot of young guys that bring a lot of high energy and emotions to their work, Tomlin seems to be more Zen like in his approach”.
Mark. Tomlin as “Zen Master”. There is no mention of Tomlin being a ‘Zen Master’, which to me implies a worshipful attitude. Whether you intended it to read this way or not it is a misrepresentation of what was written (BTW this is a statement that would fit Chuck Noll as well, I think).

Ben. I did say that he’s a young qb who hasn’t peaked yet. No mention of him being better than Brady or Peyton Manning.

Harrison. I was repeating the opinions of LeBeau and Tomlin. If you have issue with the evaluation take it up with the evaluators.

Special Teams. “…has there ever been a better combination of place kicker and punter than what the Steelers POTENTIALLY (emphasis added) enjoy with Reed and Sepulveda? Some quality contributors have been eliminated…But a core including Fox, Bailey and Frazier remain…And then, of course, there is Stefan Logan.”

Those eight words at the end of the quote is the only thing I said about Stefan Logan, while you say that I claim that special teams is “A new strength for the Steelers, due mostly to Logan”. How the hell did you reach that conclusion? I will agree that I was unduely optimistic about special teams. But the breakdown came from what has been the most reliable element within ST; Jeff Reed. If he made the three field goals that are usually automatic, the Steelers would be 5-0.

Receiving Corps. Okay, we’ve been back and forth on this one before. To be sure the assessment was premature. “Strong headliners and great depth” was the basis of my claim. I agreed with you that Swann/Stallworth was and remains the best. My arguement was and remains that a receiver corps is more than your the starting wide receivers but also includes the tight end at least. And, yes I know that tight ends have played different roles in different eras which is why comparing players from different eras is usually unwise.

Defense. I prefaced my remarks in the first post with the following: “The only possible problem is that offensive coordinators have been working in their labs all spring and summer trying to figure out ways to to bring LeBeau’s defense to heel.” As it relates to predictions, I always offer the disclaimer that if significant injuries are involved, all bets are off. Troy qualifies as a significant injury. In terms of the current post I begin my comments on the defense with three possible explanations, (out of many) as to why the defense is not performing at last years. But suffice to say they do pay the other guys to play this game as well.

I could go on, but let me summarize:

Yes, IMHO the Steelers are in pretty good shape (just think how far the Ravens have fallen in two weeks or the Jets). Check in a few weeks from now to see how the Cinncinati…freaking…Bengals are doing. I’m sorry you so obviously missed the point of the first post; try to maintain a sense of perspective. This is a battle you have clearly lost some time ago.

Apologize for hyperbole?

Are you kidding?

You can begin by not misquoting or otherwise misrepresenting my positions. One or two times can be dismissed as being sloppy; more than that is slander.

by RickVa on Oct 13, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slander... you crack me up...

Slander… wow… no, Rick, you are not given to Hyperbole at all… are you?

Not going to get into a point by point with you…

You get bent out of shape over the term “Zen Master” yet admit you called Tomlin “more Zen like in his approach…” That seems like splitting hairs, and misses the whole point of my post. My point was that even though I like Tomlin, you can’t say he has been a difference maker thus far in the season, and the fading in the 4th quarter has to be ultimately laid at his feet. I don’t know Mike, but I’m pretty damn sure if you asked him, he would agree with me. He is not one to dodge responsibility.

As far as counting my blessings because my team is better than 50% of the other teams out there, sorry, my expectations are higher. I feel sorry for the fans who have never tasted a championship year, but I have. The Steelers have. And I am not OK with not making the playoffs, just because we have six Lombardis. I would like to see my team win it again. If that makes me part of the Lunatic Fringe, then count me in.

To quote Mr. Tomlin: “My expectations have not changed.”

As for Special teams, again, you squeal foul, but I really don’t know why. Other than Logan and Sepulvada, why was our Special team supposed to be better? And, since you admit that you were “unduely optimistic about special teams”, I cannot imagine for the life of me why this statement upsets you so.

My point was when you were listing all of the reasons why — at the beginning of the year — I was supposed to be thankful as a Steelers fan, you assured me that Special teams would be far better. And, so far, they have been outplayed by most of the teams we have faced.

As for the defense, the exact quote from your pollyana “Blessings” post was: “And I really, really think that they are not just going to stop other teams, they’re gonna beat the Hell out of them as well.”

How is that going so far Rick? See any team tapping out because the defense is just too strong…?

My whole problem with this post, and your previous “Blessings” post, is that there were some real concerns heading into this season. Guess what? There still are concerns. It is OK to be a fan and have concerns. But you like to call those of us who have concerns, and yet still want another Lombardi, naysayers and members of the Lunatic Fringe.

Nonsense.

Blitz just had two posts breaking down the failings of the defense against the Lions. Is he, like anyone who doesn’t see the Steelers through your rose colored glasses, part of the lunatic fringe?

Fact is that we are two games out of first place in our division — a division that we really need to win to get into the playoffs. Don’t forget that last year an 11 and 5 team didn’t even make the playoffs.

The defense, which I think we will all agree took us to the Super Bowl last year, is not the same as it was.

We still have to play the Ravens twice — and maybe you think they have fallen to the bottom feeders because they lost two close games to Cincinnati (who we also lost to) and the Patriots (who some people think are pretty damn good) but I cannot agree. Those are going to be hard fought games, and I will be pretty happy if we split them.

So… there are concerns. At the “quarter pole” things are not as bad as they could be, but they are certainly not where anyone on this board expected them to be.

So, please… don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 13, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the special teams ARE better

and it’s mainly due to Logan and Sepulveda, genius

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 14, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think acrollet said it best

This time last year posters on this site will going absolutely wild about how bad things were with this team. They were burying the Steelers and then pissing on the grave. The national media and other observers also wrote Pittsburgh off. And you have just posted yourself that people are referring to the Ravens as bottom feeders. Probably the same folks who declared them the class of the league a week or so ago. Tomlin talks about avoiding riding the emotional roller coaster. Chuck Noll used to say that when things seemed to be going badly it was usually not as bad as it seemed (and conversely, when things were going well things were not as good as it seems). I, to use Tomlinese, subscribe to that thinking as a fan.

The core of my concerns about you, MarkJoel, is not that the ups and downs of the season may drive you to be a raving basket case; that’s your right of course. Its just that you make your case using words and terms that do not appear in my posts as well as making assumptions about my motivations that are also not grounded in facts. (btw how can you tell if someone “squeals” over the internet?). The sad thing is that I agree with much of what you said, but you undermine your own credibility.

As you say, there are still concerns. I’ll take it a step further, there are ALWAYS concerns. It might be a better use of your energy to worry about Aaron Smith being on IR than what I predicted about the state of the defense a few days after Labor Day.

And just so we understand each other; if I were to piss on you it wouldn’t be down your back.

by RickVa on Oct 14, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"And just so we understand each other; if I were to piss on you it wouldn’t be down your back."

oh my I’m gonna remember that one.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 14, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't strain yourself

You really only need to remember one thing to succeed:

“Do you want fries with that?”

That’s all you need to succeed in your future career…

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 15, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"That’s all you need to succeed in your future career…"

yeah that’s why I’m a CPA.

Listen dude, I only called you a jerk-off because I read your condescending post RIGHT AFTER I learned about Aaron Smith being put on IR. I was pissed. I apologize for being rude to you. Also, you clearly have an axe to grind with RickVA and it’s not my place to step into that. I shouldn’t have commented at all.

You’re a Steelers fan and I do not wish to argue with you. However if you insult me again, I won’t forget about it.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Oct 15, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, you're a fanboy

It’s OK. I get it. the Steelers are the greatest team ever. They have the best defense in the league, have the best coach, the best offense, and the best quarterback.

Your “football analysis” is eerily similar to an 8th grade girl talking about how dreamy that dude from Twilight looks.

And anyone who disagrees with you isn’t a fan, is part of the lunatic fringe, and is slandering you.

Like I said. I get it. your posts are so predictable, I guess I really don’t need to bother reading them anymore…

I shoulda stopped when you said this year’s receiver corps is better than the 4 time super bowl champs, and hall of famers…

Really… I knew all I needed to know about your ability to see things objectively then.

Sorry I dirtied your rose colored glasses… I won’t bother trying to cloud your posts with facts anymore.

I promise…

by MarkJoel66 on Oct 15, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get angry

when my roomates drink all my vodka. How’s a guy supposed to sleep?

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Oct 13, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nyquil !!

Ron Paul was Right.

by Steelchamps !! on Oct 14, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see mad people

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 14, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand

why some jackass always has to try to downgrade everyone else’s opinions….if we all had the same opinions this would be boring….sure, I disagree with some things people say on here, but I don’t try to put them down or make them feel bad about it….some of you people need to tone it down a little — geez, I’m sorry you got picked on in high school, but let it go man

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 14, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just put me down for being picked on in high school... :(

It’s not my fault I was 5’2" 425 lbs, but I could do the “Cabbage Patch” better than anyone. I could also play rocks and bushes in the school plays.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 14, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always suspected you were Big Snack.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 14, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm two big snacks

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 14, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO

that was great, especially the part about the cabbage patch….wow, makes me feel old

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Oct 14, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that would paint a funny picture a little pudgy guy doing the Cabbage Patch

Ya know…after I really think about it…I was sort of picked on my freshman year. I was a black kid in a 99% white school in the late 70’s/early 80’s. Man I was beginning to think my name started with the letter “N”.

Funny though…I see some of them now and they act like don’t remember me. Maybe because some of them are the scrubs I was running over in football practice. I digress…. They may know who I am but are too embarassed to say anything, but I treat them as if they were friends of mine.

Let me say…Most of them HATE THAT. Though I had a girl that used to call me out of my name alot hit one me one day. I was thinking you sure changed your spots and I gracefully declined though she was HOT.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 14, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry I'm going to stop the meaningless babble

I mean as far as my boring life is concerned. Sorry fellow Steeler fans.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 14, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your name was Nathan?

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Oct 14, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Norbit

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Oct 14, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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