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BTSC Weekly NFL Musings - Week 10 Edition

* The Indianpolis Colts and the New Orleans Saints keep their perfect records in tact. Both improved to 9-0 on Sunday. Neither win came easy. We all know what happened during the Colts-Patriots game. I prefer not to discuss it, but by all means debate Bill Belichick's decision to go for it on 4th and 3 from inside his own 30 yard line with ~2:00 remaining and the Pats up 6. I'll jump in the comments perhaps with my take. But I'd rather save my breathe and time for now leaving it at that. As for the Saints? Another unimpressive win. But a road win's a road win and sometimes the stars just seem to align nicely for sports clubs some years. This might be that kind of year for the Saints. 

Star-divide

* Have fans and media members seen enough of the Denver Broncos to now join me in not at all believing in the them as legit contenders this year? Their roster isn't equipped to handle a physical 16 game grind. It's not that far off, but they aren't there yet and that will continue to become more and more evident as the season heads towards the home stretch. I was supremely confident the Broncos would lose to the Redskins on Sunday and advised my gambling prone friends to put huge wagers on the 'Skins straight up. Got plenty of 'thank you' phone calls last night. The Broncos lost for the second consecutive week  thanks to inopportune turnovers and feeble rush defense. Here was my rationale for the pick, which won friends across the country lots of moola:

Pride is on the line for Washington, but more importantly, I'll think they'll benefit from not having Clinton Portis available. The Pro Bowl running back suffered a concussion last weekend, but he really was never in top form this year and Washington's offense has essentially been designed around him being a healthy workhorse. With him out, I think Washington will have a better game offensively than people are expecting.

Ladell Betts sure did look better than Portis has. The short but powerful back ran for 114 yards while Jason Campbell threw for just under two bills and didn't turn the ball over. As crazy as it is to fathom, Washington could keep their playoff chances alive with a win against the front running Dallas Cowboys next weekend.

Denver meanwhile will fall out of first place this coming weekend when they take on the San Diego Chargers at home. The Chargers are hot; the Broncos are not. As we discussed during Broncos week here on BTSC, Denver is a piece or two or three short from being physical and deep enough a roster to hold up over the course of a grueling 16 game NFL season. 

* I wonder if Jeff Fisher is regretting not putting Vince Young in several weeks earlier. The Titans have won three in a row since Young was inserted in to the lineup. On Sunday, just as I suspected, the Titans ran all over Buffalo in their 41-17 victory. Chris Johnson ran for 132 yards while Vince Young ran for 32 yards and passed for 210 yards and 1 TD to former Steeler Nate Washington. Even if Tennessee were to win out, it still probably wouldn't be enough due to the fact that their first six defeats all came at the hands of AFC opponents. Anyway, good job in Nashville getting things turned around. 

* I wrote a few weeks ago that Carolina was probably the best value bet as a major long shot to win the Super Bowl. They were 3-5 at the time and 150:1 underdogs to hoist the Lombardi Trophy come February. By beating divisional rival Atlanta on Sunday, the Panthers got themselves right back in the thick of things in the muddled NFC Wild Card picture. Next week's game against the Miami Dolphins is pretty much a 'do or die' situation for both teams. One team will have their dreams still in tact heading in to Week 12. My hunch is that team will be Carolina. A very nice 28-19 victory over the Falcons and to the delight of Carolina fans, the second turnover free game of Jake Delhomme's 2009 season. 

* The Lions lose again. Shocking. Not to sound like a broken record, but I still don't think Matthew Stafford should be playing this year. To Jim Schwartz's credit, he's stuck with him despite the struggles and Stafford will be better for it. He certainly didn't play poorly on Sunday (0 INTs on 51 passing attempts). But even though he might be making small but important strides this year, I'll offer up a different reason this time as to why he shouldn't be playing any more now that he's gotten some invaluable experience without totally ruining his psyche:  his offensive line is so bad that the organization is only risking him getting battered and bruised unnecessarily. I like the fact that he's gotten some snaps this year. He's learned some things, had a few moments, and will benefit somehow, someway in the future from the experience he's culled this year. But he's getting sacked an awful lot for no good reason at this point. He's been sacked 7 times in his past three games and been hit on myriad other plays. Time to shut it down soon and get a little bit of 'value' out of your investment in Daunte Culpepper. It won't happen, but in my humble unimportant opinion, it should no later than two weeks from now when the Lions travel to play Cincy and Baltimore in consecutive weeks. Both will be clawing for playoff positioning and eager to beat up on the overwhelmed, poorly protected, rookie quarterback.

Most important win of the week #1: Cincinnati 18, Pittsburgh 12

Bah. Bigtime win for the Bengals. They're in complete control of their own destiny in the AFC North. They're also in great shape to get a first round bye and a home game in the Divisional Round of the playoffs if they can sustain their level of play and win 5 of their next 7. We'll see if they're up to the test. I don't like the Larry Johnson signing one bit. Why? Well he's been signed to be their stop plug while Cedric Benson heals up. But take a listen to this LJ interview on the Dan Patrick Show last week when Johnson had yet to find a new team following his release from the Chiefs. Does he sound like a remorseful guy? Hmm. Not to me. If you ask me, Cedric Benson is one of the core guys that constitutes the heart and soul of this new look Bengals squad. And oh yeah, Benson's backup -  that Bernard Scott guy - he's pretty good. He not only took a kick return the distance for the game's lone touchdown. He also was the main reason why the Steelers were forced to score a TD to win with not much time left on the clock. Without his shifty tough running and extra yardage after first contact, Big Ben and the Steelers might get the ball back with closer to 3 or 4 minutes and only needing a FG to tie it up.

Most important win of the week #2: San Diego 31, Philadelphia 23

San Diego wins their fourth straight by defeating the reeling Eagles at home. Both teams gave up a ridiculous amount of yardage on defense. San Diego had 331 total yards and averaged 6.0 yards per play; Philadelphia 462 yards at a 6.5 yards per play clip. Wowzas. Entertainment stuff but goodness, neither team's fanbase has to feel all that good about their team's chances of winning it all. Well, scratch that. I bet San Diego's fanbase is in full on 'we believe' mode. That's partly because Denver slowly but surely continues to say to the world:  'I'm not who you thought I was'. San Diego will win next weekend in Denver and capture sole possession of first place out West in the AFC. 

* Most important win of the week #3: Jacksonville 24, New York 22.

The Jags stay very much alive in the Wild Card hunt with their last second victory over the Jets. Maurice Jones Drew gets excessively patted on the back for kneeling on the Jets 1 yard line late in the game so that the clock could wind all the way down before sending on the FG unit for the game-winner. Whatever, worked out. No credit goes to MJD there though. Credit Jack Del Rio if anybody. But imagine if that hadn't worked out - a botched exchange on the field goal for example. Haha. Think Bill Belichick's decision has been sliced and diced? That would have been comical. As is, Del Rio moves one step closer to keeping his job this offseason and maybe just maybe, the fans down in Jacknsonville will start to show up on Sundays to cheer on their team as the stretch run towards the playoffs begins.

* Worst loss of the week: Denver's loss to Washington continues their downward spiral. It didn't help that Kyle Orton got dinged up and couldn't play in the 2nd half. Chris Simms had to come in cold on the road at FedEx - one of the few intimidating home field advantages left in football - and looked lost. There's quite a few Broncos fans who pin the loss on that reason alone, but that's just more smoke and mirrors. They weren't going to win that game even if Orton was playing. They lost because they couldn't stop the run and didn't adjust their offensive play calling to counter the adjustments Washington was making defensively following the two early TDs to Brandon Marshall. Denver now is in a perilous position all of a sudden. A loss at home to the Chargers and they're in all sorts of trouble. They don't matchup well with the Giants who come to town the following week. And then after a winnable game against the Chiefs, Denver travels to Indy. They might just be on life support heading in to that week, and down for the count after losing to the Colts in Week 14.

* Most unwatchable game of the week: San Francisco 10, Chicago 6

Couldn't tell you what happened other than Jay Cutler threw lots of interceptions (5) and that neither team looked anything like a professional football team. Why? I didn't watch it. Duh. Unwatchable game.

* The AFC Playoff Picture, if the season ended today.

Currently In

1) Indianapolis (8-)

2) Cincinnati (7-2)

3) Denver (6-3)

4) New England (6-3)

5) Pittsburgh (6-3)

6) San Diego (6-3)

In The Hunt

Jacksonville (5-4)

Houston (5-4)

Baltimore (5-4)

Still Alive...Barely

Miami (4-5)

New York Jets (4-5)

Analysis: To be quite blunt, the Steelers are going to be in a dogfight the rest of the way for a playoff berth. First of all, it's worth mentioning the Steelers hold tiebreakers over both San Diego and Denver. So if one of those two teams were to be a Wild Card contender, the Steelers would have the nod on them if the teams finished with identical records. Before going any further though, let me be clear that I don't think the AFC North is out of reach just yet. The Bengals have three straight games against dramatically inferior opponents (Oakland, Cleveland, Detroit) while the Steelers travel to Baltimore two weeks from now. We'll see what happens, but I'm not giving up hope yet for a third straight divisional crown in the Mike Tomlin era. It's just not looking too hot. So for fun, let's see what the Wild Card picture looks like. 

Couple quick thoughts before shutting this down:

1) The Jags are somehow in very nice position to sneak in to the playoffs. Here's their final 7 games: BUF, @SF, HOU, MIA, IND, @NE, @CLE. There's some tough tilts on that docket - Indy obviously, as well as a road game at New England. But if they can win their next two, those consecutive matchups with Houston and the Dolphins could put Jacksonville right on the cusp heading in to their final three.

2) Baltimore stays alive and in plenty good shape with their win over the Browns tonight. If Baltimore wins both games against Pittsburgh, they'll probably be in. If Pittsburgh wins both, they'll likely be in. If they split? That will make things mighty interesting. Let's talk about this same subject next week after the Steelers travel to KC and the Ravens host the Colts.

3) Houston needs to win this weekend against the Titans to stay in solid shape for a Wild Card run. A loss would drop them to 4-4 in the AFC and put them squarely behind the 8 ball for the rest of the season. A win and they're in it 'till the end, even if they were to lose against Indy the following week. They won't beat the Titans though. At least that's my early week assessment of the matchup. Gotta love November and December football.

4) Let's just scratch the Jets off the list as even dark horse threats to go on a run and sneak in the playoffs. Ain't happening this year. A win at home against the Patriots and I suppose I'd have to reconsider. But something tells me the Patriots are going to deliver a sound beatdown this coming weekend following their meltdown on Sunday night. The Pats might also be interested in enacting a little revenge on the Jets for them acting like they'd won the Super Bowl after beating NE earlier this year.  

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My take on the Patriots’ 4th-and-2 call: Clearly Belichick has little faith in his defense, to take a gamble like that. That said, going for it wasn’t indefensible, as a strategic choice. The Patriots’ offense has a good chance of being able to get the 2 yards, and a 1st down there likely ends the game. But Coach Genius’s play call was terrible. Everyone on earth knows the Pats are going to pass: why are you lining up empty backfield and running the most predictable play imaginable? They would have been better served by having Brady play-fake and hand the ball off for a run up the gut.

My take on the AFC playoff picture: Unless the Steelers really collapse, I think they look good for a wild card. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see 3 AFC North teams in this year’s playoffs; Baltimore seems more likely to win 10 games than Denver, to me. My speculation would be the Colts as the 1 seed, Cincy and NE in the 2 and 3 slots (in no particular order), SD in the 4 spot, and the Steelers and Ravens as the wild cards.

P is for Latrobe.

by holiday park on Nov 17, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

as much as I hate the Pats and love that they lost

that ball placement was pathetic

I’m sure everyone will argue with this, but that was a first down without a doubt. He didn’t bobble the ball, it hit his hands once, then he secured it while straddling the 30 yd line. First down. Game over. Destruction of the Indy machine done.

Argue all you want, I don’t care.

I hate the Patriots with all my might. I think it is wonderfully ironic that they got cheated on national TV. They deserved it. But, at Foxboro, that’s a 1st down and game over.

I love it though, we’re tied with them now at 6-3. Thanks Colts (and refs).

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Nov 17, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no it wasnt

The placement of the ball is where the ball landed. The ball did not cross the 30 once faulk had possession of the ball (yes you must establish full possession before the placement of the ball can be initiated). His momentum was going behind the 30 and the ball wasn’t secured until after his body was behind the 30. People argue his feet were beyond the 30, but his feet do not constitute where the ball is placed.

by metal_militia on Nov 17, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes it was

I watched them break it down on ESPN last night, both guys agreed the refs gave NE a bad spot. Replays showed conclusively that it was a first down. They both said the ref that called it had a bad view of the play from behind, and thought the reciever bobbled the ball. He didn’t. Replays clearly showed the ball pop his hands, then he secured, then he straddled the 30. Replay was obvious. You can argue all you want, like I said, I don’t care. I saw the replay breakdown, and it completely backed up what I saw. In a completely separate interview, Michael Strahan was on ESPN, and he and the interviewer agreed again that it was a bad spot. Dick Vitale mentioned it during the Memphis-Kansas basketball game, saying it was a 1st down. Even my boss, a diehard Colts fan, says the Colts got away with one. If you’ve seen the replay, it’s obvious. And I hate the Patriots as much as you can hate a team.

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Nov 18, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Most unwatchable game...

Well, since I don’t get the NFL Network, it’s hard for me to say how bad the Bears-Niners tilt was, but that Ravens v. Browns MNF contest was truly awful. I know the following statement is hyperbole (a little), but I don’t know how else to describe Brady Quinn: the dude plays like a scared little girl. When the Browns were continuing to play Derek Anderson, the only thing that made sense to me was that Cleveland knew Quinn couldn’t play a lick but figured if they didn’t play him, he might still be worth a 4th or 5th rounder in the ’10 draft. Now? He looks to me to be useless as a player and valueless as a commodity to be traded.

AFC North isn’t over, but it’s pretty darn close. Quite frankly, I think the Steelers have to run the table and hope that Cincy has a fluke loss before their schedule toughens down the stretch. #1 seed, though? That’s done. Even if Peyton sat out the next 7 games, they’d still probably nail that down.

The rest of the AFC? Looks like a mess to me. Ravens looked awful last night. Denver is disintegrating. Houston can’t win a game when there’s more than jack squat on the line. The Jets are in free fall. Jacksonville is bipolar (now that they’ve had a semi-decent win or two, they’re due to give a game away). The Wildcat, to me, is doing more harm than good for Miami’s offense this year, but without it, they have no offense at all. New England? They’re back to their one-dimensional offense. Cover Randy Moss and they struggle. Since the Jets can throw Darrelle Revis at Moss, I actually give the Jets a shot at keeping that one close.

And our Steelers? I have no idea what to think. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see them handle every other team on the schedule. It also wouldn’t surprise me if Ben gave away a game or two, the special teams continue to reek, Baltimore wins one or both games against us and that pretty 6-2 from the pre-hosting the Bengals era begets a lame 9-7 or 8-8 non-playoff mess.

Quite frankly, the one team that I think the Steelers would least like to see in the playoffs is (and I can’t freaking believe I’m about to type this) the Cincinnati Bengals. [waiting for newsflash of the devil in a snowball fight with his horned minions now].

by pghnorthside on Nov 17, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No way- of all teams I'd rather seein the play-offs- I want another chance at the Bengals

I was at the Jets game, so only had to watch the recorded game later. But geez, did our offense lay a stinker. Had they been just mediocre, we should have taken that game. I want to see the Bengals go down to the tune of 38-0, and if we have all our players and a little determination, thats remotely possible.

But much respect to the Bengals, they are playing extremely focused (at least on defense) and maybe that does have to do with Zimmerman’s wife passing away- it seemed to galvanize the players to play harder.

by SteelersVT on Nov 17, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Revenge? Would love it. My point is that I’d give the Bengals the best odds at beating Pittsburgh, even better than the Pats or the Colts.

by pghnorthside on Nov 17, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't wait to see the spread when (if) that happens

If Bengals over steelers, I’ll be all over that,

by SteelersVT on Nov 17, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yep

bet the house and the cars on that

by SteelerStuckintheSouth on Nov 17, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Houston can't win jack squat?

Could have sworn they beat the Bengals in Cincy? must be my meds.

Wild card is a race between Rats, Stillers, and Texans. One will Rise, one will stumble, and one will muddle along – and who at this point knows. I wouldn’t rule out the Texans though, solid Offense and a D that gets better every week.

Belechick, great call, he went for the win, good for him.

by Farmer Fran on Nov 17, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I expected the game last night to be terrible

Didn’t bother watching
As for the 4th and 2 call, I dislike the Pats, and everything about their team and coach.
But I have only praise for that call. It’s a ridiculously easy call. Convert 2 yards and automatically win the game. Brady to Moss, Welker or Faulk for a short gain is a very high, very safe percentage gain.
It’s not about trusting the defense, if anything, failing on the fourth puts more faith in your defense to stop the Colts.
In reality, the majority of scoring drives for Manning and the Colts are under 2 minutes and driving the length of the field. Manning had 2 in the 4th quarter, both starting from his own 20 (where he would have been assuming Hanson kicks a beaut punt and there is no return).
Does he take the team 80 yards in under two minutes at home? Almost definitely. Seeing as how quickly he had done it previously, AND that he shredded the Pats for a quick 30 yards in as many seconds, I fail to understand how the Pats’ D gets better if Manning has more field space to work with. Does Butler suddenly figure out how to play cornerback?

Again, I would take a play that yields 100% chance of victory on success over punting the ball. The trouble is, no one keeps track of 4th quarter punts that resulted in a loss, only in 4th quarter comebacks.
As fans, how upset are we at the Steelers for going run, short pass, run, punt late in the game with a lead? There are no stats for those game calling decisions, but punts don’t win football games, they lose them.

by vherub on Nov 17, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The best thing about the Belicheck call

was that after it failed, and the Colts were threatening, the network went to a shot of Bill on the sideline and showed him rub his head and smell his own fingers.

And you are right about San Diegans- I was there this weekend and the whole fanbase is carrying on as if in the deep throes of an ether binge.

by thedonger on Nov 17, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Troy P. day-to-day with PCL strain; LB D. Woods signed, LB A. Harrison cut

http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/

As good of news that could be expected with Troy P. coming from Tomlin’s press conference: he suffered a strain of his PCL in the same knee that he hurt prior and is currently questionable for the game on Sunday and is day-to-day. Travis Kirschke and Carey Davis are also both day to day (though none of the 3 are expected to play this week against Kansas City).

There was no update on the rib injury to Keenan Lewis, so I imagine that is good news. One personnel move: the team called up LB Donovan Woods from the practice squad and released LB A. Harrison. I wonder who has been saying that the team should do that since the Cleveland game?

Now watch Woods bust some heads beginning this week on special teams and then you all can say, “OK, that’s another one where the DaTruth told us so.” I guarantee you Woods will battle K. Fox for the leading tackler on special teams the rest of the way, if both can remain healthy. Hopefully Woods energy will also help LB Patrick Bailey recapture some of his head-banging from this past year. So far this year, he’s been a disappointment, particularly allowing himself to be cut block, put on the ground and taken out of several returns.

I hope the team will take a look at CB Ahmad Carroll that was released by the Jets yesterday, but I don’t know if he has cleared waivers or not. He’d be a good gunner to pair with Burnett on punt coverage and he’d also have a spot on the kickoff team. In other words, I think K. Ratliff’s spot on the roster right now is expendable.

Tomlin also said S. Logan is doing a better job on returns than anyone else has during his 3 years as Steelers coach, but that Mike Wallace could possibly get some more work in that area. The reason is that he wants the return units to be the best in the world and they currently are not.

by datruth4life on Nov 17, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Most unwatchable game

For me, that was our game. I kept waiting for something good to happen, but it never did. And duller than watching the paint dry. Can’t wait until Sunday.

by Billy52 on Nov 17, 2009 10:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs.......

I must disagree with the original post stating Pittsburgh will be in for a dogfight to get into the playoffs. As it stands now, we are 6-3 and in the drivers seat for the 5th seed. We have very winnable games coming up against @KC, Oak, @Clev, and @Mia. As a Steelers fan I know anything can happen (Oakland a few years ago), but in each of those 4 games we will be heavily favored! With wins in each, we would be sitting at 10 wins, 8 in conference…. at worst that would give us a 10-6 record and an 8-4 conference record.

San Diego will win the West.

Now, believing that Denver is in trouble with the Orton injury (and that SD will beat them Sunday), they would be 6-4 with a short week coming for a Thursday night game against the Giants. Then they still have games at Indy and Philly. They still have a chance at 10 wins, but that would mean they would have to win their remaining games (KC twice, Oak), and win one of those difficult games (SD, Giants, Indy, philly). Even then, that would only give them 10 wins, and if tied with the Steelers they would not win the tie breaker.

Jacksonville. This team is probably the most likely to challenge the Steelers for the 5th seed. They have a soft schedule remaining. With wins against the Texans and Dolphins (both home games) they would hold the tie breakers over Houston, Miami, New York Jets. Win wins against Buffalo and Cleveland, that would give them 9 wins and 8 conference wins. Of their remaining schedule (@SF, Indy and NE) a win would probably help them secure a playoff spot. However, this team is very hard to figure. They get bombed in Seattle, they win in New York, they barely beat KC and St. Louis at home, yet they destroyed the Titans at home. If any team is capable of laying an egg and blowing it all together, it is the Jags.

Houston. In trouble. They should win against Seattle, @ St. Louis, @ Mia (wihtout Ronnie), that would give them 8 wins. They also have games against the Titans, Indy, @ Jax, and NE. They would have to split those 4 games to get to 10 wins, and even if they do split, that would still leave them with 5 conference losses. The Steelers win the tie breaker.

Miami and Jets….. done. One more loss by either will put them at 6 losses and Miami already has 3 conference losses and the Jets 4. These teams would basically have to win out, while Pittsburgh losses twice against Baltimore and the Pack wins in Heinz field AND the Steelers lose to either KC, Cleveland, Oakland, Miami.

Leaves us with Balitmore. Of our remaining schedule, we have Oakland and Green Bay at home, they have to play those teams on the road. Oakland beat Philly at home, and Green Bay beat Dallas at home. Now, do I think either of those teams will beat the Ravens? No. But if an upset is to happen, do you think it is more probable the Ravens lose against those teams on the road, or those teams come into Pittsburgh and beat us.

However, they should beat Detroit and Chicago also, that leaves them at 9-4. However, without Suggs I do not see them putting enough pressure on Manning to win next week. Further, if he is out against us, that is going to hurt them big time. A loss to Indy and a split with us puts them at 10-6. With a split against them, we should be at 11-5. Even if they beat us both games, we should still make the playoffs.

What I am trying to say is this:

Forget everybody else. All the Steelers have to do is win in KC (2-7), Oakland (2-7), Cleveland (1-8), and Miami (4-5, but now their best offensive player is on the IR). Win four games against teams that are a combined 9-27. If they do not win those four games, then I agree with you Blitz, they will be in for a dogfight. But, if they do not win those four games then do they really deserve to be playing in the playoffs! Further, another below .500 team (GB) is
coming into Pittsburgh in December.

Just to be clear on all of this. We are playing 3 really bad teams (2 at home), 2 more teams below 500 (one at home and the other who just lost its best player), and our division rivals twice (who themselves are sitting around 500). At worst, against this schedule, we should go 5-2. That puts us at 11-5. Just to get to 11 wins, Denver and SD would have to win 5 each (and they play each other once), Jacksonville and Houston would have to win 6 each (and they still have a game against each other) , and Miami and the Jets would have to win out.

If the Steelers do get into a dogfight to make the playoffs it will be of their own making.

As for the division crown…… If we win the games we should (KC, Oak, Cleve, GB, Mia) and split with Balitmore, that leaves us at 12-4. The Bengals would have to lose 3 games for us to win it. Now, I can see them losing in Minnesota and in San Diego. Unless they choke, and get beat by Oakland, Cleveland, Detroit, or KC (which I doubt), then I firmly believe we will go into the last week of the season tied with records of 11-4. While I would like to say I think Cincinnati loses in New York that final weekend, I just don’t see that happening. They play very good defensively and they don’t turn it over much. They run, and when it isn’t working they don’t give up on it. They have impressed me this year. Watching them against the Steelers especially. They had chances to fold under pressure, and they did not. They stood there, toe to toe with us and we were the ones that made the mistakes.

by imike29 on Nov 19, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs


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