BTSC Steelers Daily Six Pack- It's Not Over Yet Edition
IX-Troy Polamalu could miss as much as three weeks after tweaking his knee early during Sunday's game. The following article touches on a few other subject besides Troy's injury including some excellent criticism of Carson Palmer's statements after the game. The article also sheds a light on how frustrated the Steelers defensive players are with the consistently poor play of the Special Teams unit. Has anyone else noticed that the further along in Mike Tomlin's tenure the Steelers get the more consistent the verbiage and message from the players has become? It seems clear to me that the players are starting to sound alike and are takeing on the attitude of their coach more and more.
X-You think losing to the Bengals and Bears is rough for a Steeler fan? That's nothing compared to what Zack Heddinger, a Steeler fan, went through after the Steelers loss to the Bears on September 20th. Heddinger was rushed to the hospital after he was poisoned by a Bears fan that his friends had gotten into an argument with earlier at a bar. Heddinger claims the Bears fan offered him a drink as a peace offering and the drink had been poisoned with either anti-freeze or a toxic grain alcohol. The victim has lost his vision and is living with Brain damage now, but hopes to return back to work eventually. Note to Steelers fans; do not argue with Bears fans at a bar.
XIII-Ed Bouchette ended his chat today with the statement below that left me laughing, especially given that the questions in Bouchette's chat were very similar to the gripes heard around BTSC and other Steelers blogs I've seen:
Thanks, all. I think you came out flat today, though. Either that or it was fatigue or the fact I gave you all the previous week off. Please, between now and next Tuesday, practice your questions.
XIV-The lowly Kansas City Chiefs will be without second year receiver Dwayne Bowe this Sunday along with the next three games after the NFL announced he will receive a four game suspension for violating the leagues substance abuse policies. Our friends over at Arrowhead Pride are relaying the message from Adam Schefter that Bowe took a diuretic and he will not appeal the fine. Bowe seems to be a tremendous talent that has so far been unable to put together any consistency at the NFL level. Let's take our mind off the Steelers problems for a bit, take a deep breathe, and realize it could be much worse, especially if you were a Chiefs fan.
XL-Plain and simple Mike Tomlin has a way with words. The message in the statement below to Stefan Logan from his Tuesday press conference is clear. "Shut your mouth and do your job"
Q: Stefan Logan said someone has left a lane on each touchdown, but that on returns we never seem to get guys out of their lanes. Is there a way you can coax them out of their lanes? A: That’s the perspective of a kick returner who hasn’t run one back yet, so that perspective may not be reality.
XLIII- Those of you who don't know much about Bernard Scott, the Bengal who ran back the only touchdown scored in Sunday's game might be interested to read a bit about him from CBS sportsline. The Bengals have taken a lot of chances on players with troubled pasts including Tank Johnson, Chris Henry, and now Larry Johnson to name a few. The Bengals have found some chemistry this season due to their success on the field, I am very curious though to see what happens when the AFC North front-runners hit a patch of adversity.
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New injury (not re-aggravation) for Polamalu, not as bad as it could have been
I think this has already come up in the fanposts, but updates about Troy’s status should use the latest from the AP.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4663783
Bizarre story about the poisoning. Skeptics of the alleged poisoned guy’s account are wondering where the methanol would have come from; is there actually anyone who carries around grain alcohol when going to a sports bar, on the off chance that they get into an argument? But if the story is true, it’s loathsome.
by TheSpatulaMessiah on Nov 17, 2009 6:44 PM EST reply actions
Antifreeze is right outside in the parking lot.
I wonder if there’s any security cameras outside of that place. You’d easily see a guy pop a hood and put a glass down in the antifreeze tank. We could really use less of these types of people in the world so lets hope the police find these guys. I wouldn’t tolerate anything like that for any fan- thats just downright evil.
Bear Fans
I was offered $200 in fake 20s for an extra ticket I was getting rid of to a scalper. They are not showing to much class up there.
It is a bizarre story.
But it does confirm my prejudice against Chicago. Lived there for four years — of the ten places I’ve lived around the US, it was by far the worst.
Bill Beeelichick proved that in America it’s okay to cheat, as long as you cheat your way to the top. – Eric Cartman
Very few things truly "confirm" a prejudice
I like it here in Chicago.
by TheSpatulaMessiah on Nov 18, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
LOL thought this was funny
Q: Is that the Pony backfield?
A: You know I don’t get into specifics of what we call things. I call it Two Tailbacks in the Game.
This is Pittsburgh Steeler Troy Polamalu getting knocked around by the Pacific Ocean in Hawaii yesterday...
Minutes later, Troy caught the ocean going over the middle and smacked it right in the mouth. The ocean fumbled, Troy recovered and ran it into the endzone. The ocean never messed with Troy again.
Man, I love Tomlin.
Put the player in his place. I wouldn’t want anyone going off message to the media. In this day and age, that ought to be written into contracts. His comment about Logan goes right up there with the walk by 5 Lombardis quote. Says it all in one sentence.
This is such a bitter post, and it upsets me.
I’m over the win on Sunday, but you’re clearly not over the loss. Both offenses played badly and both defenses played extremely well. Your special teams played worse than the Bengals special teams. Your defense did not take the ball away. Your offensive coordinator failed to stick with the running game even though it was moderately successful and your offensive line failed to let Ben do what Ben does best. You lost to the Bengals twice, but your entire fanbase seems to feel compelled to rationalize to the point that you think you’re a better team. You sound like T.J. Houshmandzadeh after the Bengals lost to the Steelers a couple years back. The better team won both games, get over it. The Bengals have a strong locker room, get over it. Stop whining and bad-mouthing the Bengals just because you feel threatened for once.
Again
You realize this is a Steelers blog, correct? It is kind of foolish for you to expect no homerism from Steelers fans about the Steelers. I’ve got an idea for you, if you don’t like the opinions of Steelers fans supporting their team on their blog, stop reading it!
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by John Stephens on Nov 17, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Threatened?
Not hardly. We are not threatened at all. That’s what you don’t seem to get. We really don’t feel threatened. We just see some problems that need fixing. Yes, you got the W twice and you were better for both of those particular games.
There’s nothing I hate worse than a sore winner. And for the record…. Yes, I do think we are the better team. Even with your two wins against us.
samliam- you sure you're not a ravens fan too?
by WhoDeyDerek on Nov 19, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Bitter?
Are you saddened because we like our team better than we like the Bengals. It is sad isn’t it when the fan base’s perspective is skewed toward their own team. Isn’t it just enough to make you quit watching football? What’s the point, why go on, is there no justice anywhere?
"More than 70 percent of putts left short do not go in."
Not going to get into a huge argument about my post, but what exactly did I say that was bitter?
I said I was “curious” to find out what happens when the Bengals hit a patch of adversity. Nowhere did I say they are going to fall apart, but rather I am curious to see how this group of men respond when they hit some challenges, in the past the previous Bengals teams have struggled, I am wondering what will happen this year.
My thought is you clearly aren’t over this win or you wouldn’t be over here at BTSC trolling around attempting to find negative comments to whine about.
I have said since the before the season starts that the Bengals would be a team on the rise…granted they have exceeded my expectations of them, but they still have a long way to go good sir. Seven games left before the seasons over and then you have to go into the playoffs and if I’m not mistaken the Bengals under Marvin Lewis haven’t had a lot of success getting to and winning in the playoffs.
Congrats on your win, your team made the plays to win the game in both match-ups and my team didn’t. They are a physical team with lots of talent, but as was the point of my initial comment there are a lot of poor character guys still floating around the squad and they added another one yesterday, so don’t act surprised that I still have questions about the chemistry of the locker room.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 17, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
And burning the terrible towel
probably won’t help them…the curse is real lol…just ask the Titans…lol
How many wins post-towel burning do you think they will have DYMS?
Steelergurl
I don’t really believe in that curse, but I do think that Cincinnati will lose 3 more games this season.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 18, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
'Scuse me, jsl413
You are clearly not “over the win” because if you were….. your happy ass would be on your own blog reviewing the positive and the negatives of your game this past Sunday. That’s what we’re doing. We’re not accustomed to our offense playing like 2nd rate high school kids. We don’t intend to become accepting of this from our Steelers. We beat things beyond all recognition with our team. This was not our best effort pal.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Jsl413
You of all people should understand why we still can’t believe in the Bengals. For years players and fans alike talked about how good they were as if they were the Patriots.
You think the Patriots got to be as good as they were (as much as it pains me to say) by talking about it? No, they went out and won SUPER BOWLS.
My point is, go and win something significant before you talk. This isn’t a shot at you; I’m just emphasizing what Marvin Lewis told you guys in training camp (“be a fu*king pro”). Until you win one, you’ll just be the mirror image of the San Diego Chargers.
by StoneColdSteel on Nov 17, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
+1 billion infinty
Any given Sunday. We've given the Bengals two Sunday's this year.
Ryan Clark aka The Hammer immediately following the game "I would give my left arm to play them again."
jsl413
After the trashing we gave you before last weeks game I can understand why it’s tempting to come here and gloat. So go ahead, but I have a good memory and can’t wait to remind you at the end of the year of a few things.
A preview:
The Steelers overall record in the Super Bowl – 6-1
The Steelers record against the Bengals 48-30
The size of the tv that jsl413 watches Bengals games 13"
The location of said TV – His mom’s basement.
I wasn’t pleased because we didn’t win - Mike Tomlin (after the 2009 week 2 loss to Chicago).
Back to your mothers basement!
Read my sig.
You were only better then us two Sundays. Not the whole year. We actually watch the Steelers, not highlights. Our team did not come to play, period. Ask anyone who actually watched those games thats not a fan of either team, you guys were not “better.” You just won.
And yes, I have admitted that sometimes the Steelers are not the better team in a victory.
God I hope we meet in January. And before you say, “Ravens said that last year.” We are not the Ravens. Were the team the Ravens have always wanted to be.
Any given Sunday. We've given the Bengals two Sunday's this year.
Ryan Clark aka The Hammer immediately following the game "I would give my left arm to play them again."
If you are over the win, why are you here?
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Nov 18, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
50 Bitter?
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/11/16/1159553/bungles-no-more
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
If anyone can bear to watch it again NFL network has replay of this weeks debacle of a game against the Bengals at 9:30pm…..
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 17, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions
Wow
Thats sad that game was one of the games of the week.
A terrible game by both teams IMO. Except defensively.
Any given Sunday. We've given the Bengals two Sunday's this year.
Ryan Clark aka The Hammer immediately following the game "I would give my left arm to play them again."
Terrible to you only because you lost
Fans of the NFL would enjoy it above any other game (Except INDY/NE) because it was a close, physical game
by WhoDeyDerek on Nov 19, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
actually I don’t think many fans of just the NFL would enjoy a game that had zero offensive touchdowns…..the NFL is changing the rules to encourage more scoring year in and year out, I can’t imagine they think that is because the average NFL fan loves a field goal battle.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 21, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Nice quote
Q: Should Jeff Reed have done more as a tackler on the last two returns for touchdowns?
A: Man, I am not going to go down to evaluating Jeff Reed as a tackler. When it comes down to that, we have failed as a coverage unit. I don’t lose any sleep on the quality of Jeff Reed’s tackles … or tackle attempts.
by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Nov 17, 2009 9:12 PM EST reply actions
Come on
Note to Steelers fans; do not argue with Bears fans at a bar.
If we let fear rule us, then the terrorists win :p.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Nov 17, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions
Exactly
It’s fine to argue on behalf of your team. But buy your own beer. Lose the free drink from the douche Bears fan.
by pghnorthside on Nov 17, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
with troy
The Steelers should handle the Chiefs fine. If he is going to miss the Ravens game also, which will be all kinds of unfortunate, he might as well not rush back for the Raiders (or even the Browns).
So while I want to see him back in the lineup, I’d rather he get 100% healthy and the Steelers have 3 of the next 4 against teams that have no business against the D anyway.
That poison drink thing is crazy
Maybe NYsteelersfan24 may not want to tailgate with me…..
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Maybe not...
What the f are planning there Malor. And 24? I thought you knew me better than that. I’d never call you Ms. MaLoR, I am offended.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Nov 18, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
what game did Carson Palmer play in
his comments are a freaking joke, their offense did very little to win the game with the exception of their last 1st down on the drive with 3-4 minutes left to go in the game. he was almost as bad as BB
Bouchette on the Kick Return
“Keyaron Fox, usually among their best special teams players, a co-captain and sure tackler, bounced off Bernard Scott”
Huh? What is he talking about? Fox got an arm on Scott but could not make the play because he was being pushed to the ground from behind.
Check the highlight here at the :25 mark http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8143bd29/NFL-GameDay-Bengals-vs-Steelers-highlights
You want to blame somebody on the coverage team, I’d blame Stef Logan who got absolutely owned by Chris Henry, creating a huge cut-back lane.
No way that return was on Fox.
by Steelers in XLIV on Nov 18, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions
Chris Henry is on IR so unless he punched Logan in street clothes he was a non-factor on that play. I believe it was Quan Cosby (no relation to Bill) that owned Logan.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 18, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks DYM. My bad, Confused 12 with 15 I guess.
by Steelers in XLIV on Nov 18, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Blocks happen
It was Andre Frazier who blew it.
Logan, who does get blocked, comes from the outside and chases Scott inside. This is what Logan is supposed to do. He gets down the field first, forces the play inside, and occupies a blocker. This means fewer blockers to stop the bigger guys. On this play, Logan does not give up. He continues to push inside by trying to beat the blocker. Cosby blocks Logan too far inside for Logan to be part of the play.
Side note #1: Cosby has his back to Scott. I seriously doubt that he intended to create a lane. He merely pushed Logan in the only direction he could push. Credit goes to Scott for seeing it develop.
Side note #2: Bailey, the LB-sized guy, gets blocked into the turf. So does Fox. How is it that Logan who reverses and chases the runner the length of the field is getting “owned”, but Bailey and Fox, who finish the play on their asses, are not? I am amazed that you would defend Fox because he got “owned”, then attack Logan for the same.
I wouldn’t say this was a good play by Logan, but if your assumption is that any player who is blocked is bad, then we need a whole new team.
Back to Frazier…
Andre Frazier comes in UNBLOCKED. He moves inside even though he has a good view of the field. Frazier can see that two Steelers are coming in from the right (top) and have containment on that side. He can see that Logan is being blocked to the middle. Instead of moving into position to eliminate the cut-back, Frazier plows forward into the same space that is about to be occupied by his three of his teammates.
Scott cuts behind Frazier and runs up Frazier’s lane. (Logan’s lane was the left/bottom sideline.)
I can only guess that Frazier was hyped up to jump into the pile for a gang tackle. Good effort. Bad read on the situation. I’d lay the blame on no less than three guys: Frazier blows it for the initial wave, Fox and Reed screw up the follow up.
Bits
- Hope 43 comes back soon but not too soon. He needs to get healthy for the stretch. Of course with the Steelers 0-3 in the games he has missed there may not be a stretch if 43 doesn’t get back soon.
- What unbelievable cruelty on the part of the Bears fan that poisoned ZH. HEINOUS! Hope they find the culprit and prosecute. Hope ZH gets better soon. God speed!
- The “lowly” KC Chiefs will give the Steelers all they can handle on Sunday. In typical Steelers root canal fashion I’m predicting a 3-2 Steelers victory.
- I don’t think the Steelers fans are being bitter in asking if the Bengals will bungle their way to the finish. I for one think the Bengals are for real and will cruise to 12-4 and the division. I also like the Steelers chances in case of a rematch up the river in CIncy come January. Especially if Tomlin gets a little “stylish” with the special teams and coaxes them to tackle.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
linebackers in skirts?
maybe with all the talk this year about hines being a dirty player and this link it’s time to put the linebackers in skirts too they sure do seem to be crying like little girls lately.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_BROWNS_QUINN_FINED?SITE=PAPIT&SECTION=SPORTS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT sorry couldnt paste the link right for some reason buts it’s in the post gazette ap column
Tyrone Carter
Obviously the Steelers D is only above average without Troy. No need to discuss why, as we all know and see what he does on every play. What I don’t know is why they have not found a good backup for Troy to mentor. I love Tyrones heart and he appears to be pretty heady but is it just me or is he really bad? I don’t want to discuss the Broncos game…my 11 yr old could have intercepted those balls. He takes really bad angles and is slow. Go watch game one against Cincy where he takes a really bad angle on Benson on that TD. Of course, I will never forgive him for that Jags playoff game. MJDD made him look like a fool on the halfback dump off and fatboy Gerard beat him like a drum on the 4th and 2. That game was on him. Point is that they need to get a backup for Troy as he ages and the Predator isn’t the answer.
PolamAWOL
Don’t get me wrong: Troy is one of my favorite Steelers and his presence on our defense is huge. Trouble is, though, he hasn’t played very much this year and he probably won’t be back for some time.
Even if he returns in a couple weeks, one little tweak and he’ll be gone again. For all we know, he even might need surgery after the season. Fans should stop all the wishful thinking and accept that this team needs to get used to winning games without 43.
Bouchette
I have to say that I don’t like anything Bouchette writes anymore. He doesn’t make me laugh either. I think the time off given by Tomlin was the right call. They blasted Denver. It was just a tough turn around from Monday night to Sunday. At least I hope that was most of the O’s problem.
Erik
that was his point….he was making fun of all the people blaming the bengals loss on giving them a week off,
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 19, 2009 7:29 AM EST up reply actions

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