A View from the SteelCage (Unscheduled)...A couple things about everyone's comments and my own assessments on Special Teams
A couple things about everyones comments and my own assessments on Special Teams:
1. Reed - To tackle or not to tackle. I am all for the kicker not tackling a guy because the 10 guys in front of him did, but he is still the last resort. HOWEVER...pause for dramatic effect...saying we wouldn't want him to get hurt is a crock. Teams win and lose as a team not as individuals. Jerome Bettis fumbles it against the Colts in the playoffs and Big Ben makes "The Tackle". Should he have avoided doing that because he can't be replaced, no! Big Ben is much more important than Jeff Reed, who not only can be replaced, but WILL be next season anyways. And for those of you who will site his accuracy, he is 13 for 16 and ranked 15th in the league with 81.3 % accuracy. I know, I know. He is the only man who can kick at Heinz Field, wrong. If you watched the game you would have seen the stat that said the longest field goals ever at Heinz Field are 50 yarders and it has only been done twice (actually Pat MacAfee of WVU kicked a 51 yarder there, and Mason Crosby of GB kicked a 52 yarder during the Preseason). The myth about Heinz Field being impossible to kick on is false until the 40 yard line (50 yard field goals if I confused anyone). (ADMIN NOTE: I am talking about the spot of the ball, so the LOS is the 33) Let’s look at kicking at Heinz Field: Reed vs. Opponents after the jump.
Any missed attempts over 50 yards are noted in parenthesis by the distance and blocked kicks are marked as BK.
2009 Kickers at Heinz Field: Reed – 11/11, 100 %
Opposing kickers 6/9, 66.67%. (51 and BK)
2008 Kickers at Heinz Field: Reed – 14/16, 87.50 % (51)
Opposing kickers 12/14, 85.71%. (53)
2007 Kickers at Heinz Field: Reed – 13/14, 92.86 %
Opposing kickers 6/8, 75.00% (53).
2006 Kickers at Heinz Field: Reed – 10/17, 58.82% (BK twice) *Hit 50 yards vs. TB
Opposing kickers 5/7, 71.43%.
2005 Kickers at Heinz Field: Reed – 10/13, 76.92% (52)
Opposing kickers 10/13, 76.92% (53).
2004 Kickers at Heinz Field: Reed – 13/14, 92.86 %
Opposing kickers 11/12, 91.67%.
2003 Kickers at Heinz Field: Reed – 12/16, 75.00 %
Opposing kickers 7/8, 87.50%.
For a total
2003-Present Kickers at Heinz Field: Reed – 83/101, 82.18% (1/3 from 50+ with 3 blocked)
Opposing kickers 57/71, 80.28% (0/4 from 50+ with 1 blocked)
That is a 1.9% difference. Considering a kicker should have the advantage at home and dome kickers coming to Heinz Field in November-December have to seriously adjust, I don’t see less than 2% being worth the off field problems, lack of kickoff power and sorry attempts at tackling when there is a run back, I think it is time we Freed Reed. Let him be someone else’s headache.
via drunkathlete.com
2. And to Stefan Logan fans and others, KR and PR stats last year and this year (ypa=yards per attempt):
2008 – Team KR average 20.3 ypa Individual KR Average Gary Russell 23.2 ypa and Davenport 21.6 ypa
2009 – Team KR average 24.7 ypa Individual KR average Logan 25.5 ypa Mike Wallace 1 attempt, 26 yds
2008 – Team PR average 6.0 ypa Individual PR average Holmes 6.6 ypa
2009 – Team PR average 7.6 ypa Individual PR average Logan 8.8 ypa
The question as to whether or not our returns have improved is undeniable, look at the numbers. The problem is we don’t know if anyone else on the team could do as well or even improve on those numbers. ST Coach Bob Ligashesky is probably having flashbacks to the year of muffed punts (2007 we must have had 10) and when Burnett had some issues in the preseason, I think they gave up on him too early to see what he could on PR and they never gave him the chance really on KR. I would love to see him get the opportunity. I think Donovan Woods getting called up is step one, but if we find someone on the 53 man roster who can replace Logan I think we would be dumb to say removing him from the roster would unequivocally be the wrong thing.
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Just FYI
Kicking past the 40 yard line is a 57 yard field goal. Kicking around the 33 is a 50 yarder. You add 10 for the endzone and 7 for the placement of the spotter.
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"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
Also, I couldn’t agree more with you on the part about Logan. Sure our averages have improved but the guy has showed to be only a one-faced dice so far. If we have a player who can return and already has a function I would say drop Logan and bring in a ST guy.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
I know about the 40/33 yard line thing.
I meant the placement of the ball on the 40. I should have explained further.
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
An excellent writeup and my head agrees with everything you say. But my stomach remembers when Danny Sepulveda went out with a knee and my head said, “There are decent NFL punters littering the street. We’ll find one with no problem.” And then my stomach spent the next six months doing somersaults every time Mitch Berger or Paul Ernster were sent in to punt.
Despite that, I do think Jeff Reed is a goner at the end of the season. And I think Mike Wallace will see more chances to return kicks and, if Wallace busts one, Stefan Logan might want to start polishing his c.v.
The way our defense is playing we should get Ernster to do our kickoffs, they’d just get the ball at the 35 yard line and our defense would stuff them.
by Phantaskippy on Nov 18, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
No, no, no!!!!
I don’t want Skippy gone right now, but finding his replacement during the offseason should be a priority. His paycheck is locked and he is a good kicker. But after this season I will be very disappointed if the FO resigns him, but I doubt I have anything to worry about.
"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula
I'd prefer Reed "risking" an injury
than risking a loss by allowing the potential td to run right past him. I don’t expect him to hit like a freaking line backer, but atleast hit him. yell at him. Throw your shoe at him…something!
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Nov 18, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions
Ok. I really did laugh at this one.
Thanks!! (The visual of Skip throwing a shoe… priceless)
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Skippy would do it if he found out the returner liked paper towel dispensers
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 19, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
2 cents on Logan
I haven’t given up on him, he’s been consistant enough and I don’t get too scared when he’s fielding kicks. I think he seemed to move them lil legs with more verocity earlier in the season when everyone was still questioning the use of a roster spot for him. Maybe giving Wallace a few returns will push Logan to find that extra little bit we’ve seen flashes of. I’d like to see Logan in the game on a few more offensive plays, keep him moving and keep his head in the game.
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Nov 18, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions
Another penny for the pot
I don’t think Logan’s problem is a matter of desire. If anything, I think he’s starting to run like a man in a panic. He needs coaching, not more pressure. I’d like to see him take a line that gets him up to speed before he starts with the juke and jive. The first guy misses, but Logan doesn’t have the speed to get away from the second and third. Speed first: moves second.
I do agree with using Wallace as an option. However, Logan is a rookie and he is worth developing. We’ve had him for half a season. Imagine if we’d cut Polamalu or Deebo so quickly. Heck, we still haven’t cut Sweed. Right now, Logan isn’t hurting our game. In fact, he’s pretty good as a gunner. It’s foolish to cut someone with so much potential.
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