Doom and Gloom?
I'm not burning my Terrible Towel, nor am I buying a Peyton Manning jersey so I can feel like a winner... but I am very concerned.
I was worried, honestly, after we lost to Cincy the first time around. A couple of weeks ago, I was saying that the Steelers had to win the 4 game stretch, and I was worried that they couldn't do it: Vikings, Broncos, Bengals, and Chiefs...
I said at the time that if we failed to win the next four that we would probably not repeat as champions. I was called crazy (and a bunch of other things...) After we beat the Vikings with our Defense, and dominated the Broncos with a combination of defense and running game, I was feeling a lot better about things... But after this past Sunday, the future seems a lot more black and a lot less gold...
When the game was over, and my remote had settled on the floor after being hurled at the TV in disgust (and, oh by the way, I'm pretty sure it traveled further than Ben's last lame pass...) my first thought was: There goes the Super Bowl.
I hope I am wrong (and I will discuss some faint glimmer of hopes...) but things look bad, Steelers fans...
With the Bengals remaining games and the Steelers remaining games, I think we will be very unlucky to end the season with the same record... and since they hold the tie-breaker, that gives them the division.
Can we expect a Steelers team, who is already beat up, with a #43 whose knee cannot seem to shake the Madden Curse, to make an almost impossible run through the playoffs.
Even should we beat Cincy, I am not liking our chances of going on the road all of the way to the Super Bowl. Yes, the 2005 team did it, but they were very lucky... they caught Indy by surprise, and the Broncos over-achieved until they crashed back to earth.
Let's say that the Bengals don't implode, and they win the division. OK... so, let us say that the Steelers finish strong and end up 11-5. So, how do the playoffs look?
It's fair to assume that Indy takes the South and New England takes The East. I believe the Broncos will hold on for the west, and Cincy will win the North.
That leaves Pittsburgh fighting San Diego for the top wild card spot, and fortunately they hold the tie-breaker. So, the way things look right now, the final rankings will be (and this is only a guess.. but...)
1. Indy
2. Cincy
3. New England
4. Denver
5. Pittsburgh
6. San Diego
That means that Pittsburgh would play Denver in the wild card game... We beat them once, and we'd have to play there... but I still think Pittsburgh wins that. (If they fold and the Chargers win the west, we have to play the Chargers, but I still like our chances... the Charges fold in the December almost as badly as the Cowboys...)
Who knows what happens in the other games, but coming out of the Wild Card, we would have to go in to Cincinnati if the rankings break down the way things look now. I don't know if Marvin Lewis subscribes to the hocus pocus theory about beating a team three times in a season... but I am wondering why anyone would predict that Pittsburgh can suddenly do in the playoffs what they couldn't do all year...?
But even if we can somehow beat the pesky Bengals... for the Steelers, that is not enough. (I mean, the Bengals have already had a successful season -- the Steelers have to win the Super Bowl for that...) If the Steelers somehow beat the Bengals, now they have to go into Indy or Foxboro and win again... that is asking a lot.
Frankly, I could easily see Pittsburgh not even making it to the AFC Championship game if it enters the playoffs as a Wild Card team...
So... what can change?
Pittsburgh's best bet is to hope on a Cincy Collapse. We've been waiting for it all season long. They are certainly capable of it. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't... Losing Cedric Benson is huge. Yes, they beat the Steelers without him, but they also didn't score a touchdown. If the Steelers don't give up six gift points, the game is tied in the 4th, and I believe the outcome is much different.
Other teams are going to see what Pittsburgh saw: They no longer need to fear the running game... that means the Defenses will adjust and start making Carson Palmer beat them -- and that could be a huge difference coming down the stretch. You get a sense that CIncy has a bubble of invincibility about them... but they are one prick away from having it burst ... could that prick's name be Larry Johnson?
Face it, the Bengals are not exactly scary -- they have won a lot of close games And the Texans aren't that good, and they beat them. Take away the threat of a run, and this team is more than mortal.
Honestly, the Bengals could very well go out to Oakland and lose this week. As crazy as that sounds, this week's game is a bit of a trap game for the Bengals. Ask the Eagles. They also have three road games they could pretty easily lose: The Vikings, the Chargers and the Jets. The Vikings will be at home, and unless Brett Favre is falling apart (and he may be, who knows...) that will be a tough game for the Bengals to win. The Chargers will be fighting for their lives, and the Jets will probably be playing spoiler by year's end... but Rex Ryan is not the kind of guy to let his team finish early... he will want the spotlight of beating a playoff caliber team.
The Bengals will probably lose two more games. they could lose four. Pray they lose four...
The Steelers have to play Baltimore twice -- which is never easy, since they genuinely hate us, and will play hard against the Steelers just to try to knock them out of contention. But even if they split with Baltimore, they probably win the rest. MAYBE they lose against Green Bay, but since that game is at home, probably not. They play in Miami, but that team is looking like to will be vying for draft pick by week 17. The only two away games are against the Ravens, against the Browns and against Miami. None of those scare me except for the Ravens.
If Pittsburgh can manage to win out, or just lose one, I think they still win the division. If they lose two games, they better hope that Cincy self-destructs.
Because I don't think the 2009 Pittsburgh Steelers can win as a Wild Card team...
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Not a real fan if you dont think your team can win the super bowl if they make the playoffs
by GDEUCE on Nov 18, 2009 4:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Weak
You can be a fan of a team and see them for who you think they are. You do not have to believe you team is the greatest team since the 27 Yankees to be a fan.
I love the Pirates. I know they are a last place bunch of AAA players. I go to a game at PNC every year and travel to San Diego, AZ and Dodger Stadium to see them lose every year. Am I not a Pirates fan?
Do I agree with with 66 assessment in full? No. Do I think the Steelers made it extremely more hard on themselves to repeat by not beating the Bengals? Yes. Do I know without doubt that the Steelers will go to NE and Indy and win games in January after winning a wild card game on the road? No. Am I now not a “real fan” of the Steelers? Sorry Deuce. I didn’t know you were the bouncer at the door of the Steelers bandwagon…
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Nov 19, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOVE this comment
Do you have some of Tomlin in you?
" I didn’t know you were the bouncer at the door of the Steelers bandwagon…"
by samliam on Nov 19, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Sam. I think me and Tomlin both have a little of Noll in us…
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Nov 19, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the 2005 team did it, but they were very lucky
Yeah and so was every team that ever won a Superbowl. There are two common traits that you can find in every SB champion. They did not have many major injuries and they got lucky a couple of times in the playoffs.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 18, 2009 4:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Second that!
Bad teams don’t take advantage of opportunities presented to them by circumstances beyond their control.
by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Nov 19, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I don’t think it was luck that the Steelers won last year. They had the advantage of playing fewer games and were simply superior to the rest of the teams… Who would have beat the Steelers last year, given how the Defense was playing, and the way Ben was controlling games when he had to?
Certainly the Steelers of the 70s were not lucky — just good. They had more talent than the other teams they faced… Maybe the Cowboys could have beat them, but it is hard to believe considering they had more than one shot, and were not able…
Those five Super Bowls were a lot less about luck and a lot more about skill… 2005? Not so much. They were among the top teams in the league, but they were not a dominant team. I think Seattle was a mismatch for them, but there were probably three other teams in the AFC who certainly COULD have beat the 2005 Steelers.
To think the Super Bowl always comes down to luck is to say that none of the Steelers Super Bowls were because they were better than the rest of the league, and I just don’t believe that at all…
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 19, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cowboys?
terry NEVER lost to the cowboys! he beat them 5 straight times! even in their best year, 1977 pitt kicked their butts..franco 179 yds rushing!
by nycsteelerfan on Nov 19, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Point is
That only the Cowboys came close to matching the Steelers in talent.
The 70s Steelers were not “lucky to win.” They were just better.
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 19, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Immaculate Reception was pure luck
by StoneColdSteel on Nov 19, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except...
The Steelers did not make the Super Bowl the year of the Immaculate Reception…
Come on guys… You should know this stuff…
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 19, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is there was a lot of luck involved in that play.
So we were lucky to win.
by StoneColdSteel on Nov 19, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said Luck was irrelevant
Sure, some games turn on one play that maybe gets a lucky bounce, or a favorable ref call.. in a game of inches, sometimes luck enters into things.
That is different, though, from saying the Super Bowl winning team is always lucky.
I don’t believe that. Many times, the best team wins because they are the best team. Play 10 games, and I believe the 2009 Steelers beat the Cardinals at least nine times. That doesn’t make them lucky to win.
The Steelers vs Vikings game? The Steelers win all 10. Against the Cowboys (first time) Steelers probably win 7 or 8 times. Second time we faced them, they probably win 9 out of 10. The Steelers against the Rams? 10 out of 10.
The 2005 Steelers? I think they don’t even make the Super bowl 50 percent of the time… That’s why I think they were lucky to get there. GETTING there took some things breaking the right way.
And, my whole point in the post that started this discussion is that — if the Bengals win the AFC North — The 2010 Steelers will have to be lucky to make the Super Bowl.
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 20, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We know we were better
I’m just saying that luck is always a factor even when you’re the better team. The Patriots were clearly better than the Giants, yet they were victimized by one of the luckiest plays in Super Bowl history (the Tyree catch).
by StoneColdSteel on Nov 20, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jonny_S' post the wasn't saying ......
…they were lucky to win. I read, teams that win are teams that have taken advantage of circumstances that occur but not intended by the design of either themselves or their opponents.
eg. The Immaculate Reception.
There is no reason to assume that the team that takes advantage of these circumstances lack quality or has less ability than the other team.
by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Nov 19, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, you worded it much better than I did
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 19, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your logic is kind of faulty, in that if the Steelers were so superior, at any point, they would go undefeated. However, since they have never completed that feat I stand by my argument that winning a SB takes luck along with skill.
You completely skewed what my argument was. Generally, there are at least 4-6 teams in the playoffs with enough skill/talent to win the SB. 2005 (Steelers, Cinci, Colts, Broncos, Pats) and 2008 (Steelers, Eagles, Titans, Ravens). However, luck comes into play during that final stretch to give a team an edge. The ball bounces your way more often than not and you win games. Football is not 100% skill or the term “Any Given Sunday” would not exist because the best team would always win.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 19, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gonna drop this
Because the argument is getting silly… there is huge ground between being undefeated and being lucky.
The 70s Steelers were not lucky to win any of their Super Bowls. They were better.
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 19, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then why did they lose games? If they are better than everyone…you wouldn’t lose to anyone. The argument really is not silly.
IN 1974 they got shut out by the Raiders and lost at home to the Oilers.
In 1975 they lost at home to the Bills.
In 1978 they got blown out by the Bengals and the Chargers.
In 1979 they lost at home to the Oilers.
Luck is involved in football.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 20, 2009 8:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, this is stupid
I don’t know whether you just like arguing, or really can’t follow reason… but let me try to get through to you one more time…
Forget football… since you have black and gold blinders on.
Let’s say it is Poker. Let’s say you start your hand with pocket aces, and I start with a pair of Jacks. We both go all in.
Which hand is better? The Aces. Does that mean that if we play that hand 100 times that you will win every time?
No.
I might win with my Jacks. But — since it is a weaker hand — I will have to be lucky to do so.
That is as simple as I can make this for you…
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 20, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that depends on if you're playing with a full deck
Just kidding….needed to lighten the atmosphere a little.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Nov 20, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hehehe
No Worries… You are right… and the number of jokers in the deck also factors in…
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 20, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are making it seem like football is played on paper. I never said the best team never wins, of course they do. However, it is not unlikely that they get assistance from luck. It happens to every team in the history of the NFL, every year, every game. You are going to tell me that any of the 70s Steeler championship teams did not have a bit of luck at some point during those seasons? I don’t believe that at all.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 20, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to tell you
I am going to say what I have been saying from the beginning: If the Bengals win the AFC North, the Steelers will need luck to make it to the Super Bowl.
They will be fighting an uphill battle, and will have to have things break their way to make it.
If, on the other hand, the Steelers win their division, it is downhill to the Super Bowl. They will not have to hope for luck to make it, they will be very much in control of their own destiny.
The 70s Steelers were not lucky to make the Super Bowl and win it. IMHO, the 2005 Steelers were. The 2009 Steelers were not.
The story is still being written on the 2010 Steelers.
But as fan, I want my team to show up and win the thing… not hope for luck and a back-door straight on the river…
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 20, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not hoping for luck or never do in football games. It has been a long time since I have thought the Steelers could not win, based on skill, going into the game that week.
Clearly we are not going to agree on this, but I will say this if we end up in the WC spot this year I will be a lot more hopeful/confident than I was in 2005. I still see the potential in this team that has not 100% shined yet. Do I think the Colts, Pats, or Bengals are better than us? No, I don’t. Maybe I am a homer, but at 100% we are better than those 3 teams at their 100%.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 20, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to agree on the luck argument that is. Poor sentence phrasing there on my part.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 20, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1978?
in 1978 we lost only 2 games..one was monday night at home to Earl campbell and the oilers 24-17, and sunday night at LA Rams 10-7..you must have thought 1979…
by nycsteelerfan on Nov 21, 2009 7:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I did 78 and 79 backwards. Flip flop those two.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 21, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked the prick comment
that was well written, but I have more faith right now than you my friend
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Nov 18, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I kinda like it!
Let the Bengals win the division…..Then we can (hopefully) extract some revenge for the sweep this reg season by putting them out of yet another playoffs.
Then….going to Mile High and beating the Donkeys (again) would give me great joy since I live in Broncoland.
And to play the Pats* in Foxboro for a SuperBowl berth? We could only hope, as the vengeance would be oh so sweet! And would def stir up the talk of “Team of the Decade”!
Or we could lose any of those games, and it really wouldn’t be all that disappointing of a season, from my perspective. We just one our 6th last year, the nucleus of the team is young enough to keep making runs at a 7th for quite a few years, and as nice as it would be, we probably wont win every single SuperBowl next decade either
by PonchoBrew on Nov 18, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No doubt Calm Down
Yes we played a horrible game against the Bengals this past weekend, but all our mistakes are correctable. Coach T will do what he does best and have the team primed for another playoff run. I do belive we can win out and that taking back the division isnt out of the realm of possibility. 2 weeks ago everyone was raving about how great Big Ben was playing and how Mendenhall has found his groove, and now panic mode sets in. We had a bad game folks, every team will go through this at least once a season. We’ll get back on track and all you fans that are doubting us will once again be back on the band wagon. Have faith in Coach T and the guys, their professionals and have alot of veteran leadership. Theyre not gonna panic, so why should we??? When its all said and done, we’ll all be preparing for another playoff run.
by colorado steelhead on Nov 18, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Explain this..
Why were they so flat? Yes, all teams have bad games, BUT, since cincy beat us once already, why the hell did they lay down in this game? Last year, we beat the ravens early in the year…in the second game, did they lay down? They put in a great effort and it took BB a heroic last minute drive to win…They didnt bother to show up on sunday.
by nycsteelerfan on Nov 18, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say they laid down
The game plan sucked, the execution sucked, special teams sucked but come on Cincinatti didn’t exactly set the world on fire with their performance. 218 yards of total offense tells me our defense did something right. Ben was off all day, we didnt try to get the running game going, i believe we only had 15 carries. Take away the return for a TD and Cincy didnt even come that close to scoring a TD. All you fans that wanna write us off and say that were in trouble, go right ahead. The bandwagon will be right here waiting for you when we get back on track. Nobody said defending the Super Bowl would be easy or without adversity. I for one think that at times we play better after some adversity and playing with our backs against the wall, if you will.
by colorado steelhead on Nov 18, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When one ...
looks at the quality of the Bengals two victories over our men, it is not hard to envision the Steelers reversing the end result in game 3.
by tenthmtnman on Nov 18, 2009 5:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Everyones acting as if we got blown out this past weekend. Cincy, whether you want to believe it or not, is a solid team. We very easily could, and should, have won both games. I would love to face them again as i feel we are the better team.
by colorado steelhead on Nov 18, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this raises our odds
for winning the third matchup, the most important one. Not many other “play off calibar” teams I’d rather see in January…
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Nov 18, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the tables seem to be turning
Last year nobody thought the steelers would sweep 3 games from the ravens. They won many by close margin, and when it was a close game. Kinda like what the bengals are doing.
As a steeler fan, I’m concerned about the bengals doing the same this year….
by IronJake on Nov 21, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Eagles lose a game they shouldn’t… every year. This year they lost to the Raiders. I don’t know why, but it just seems to happen every year. The resident Eagles fan at my office agrees with that.
I think teams almost always get to the superbowl through luck. There are 32 teams in the NFL. Only 2 will make it to the superbowl. Only 4 will compete for the division championship. The odds are stacked against pretty much everyone. It’s very difficult to repeat.
If the Bengals win the AFC North, they earned it and my hat’s off to them. They will have earned it, just as they’ve earned both wins against us. Whether we looked crappy when we played them or not (which we DID), they still got it done. And we did not. They are good this year.
My biggest concern now is the Ravens. Beating the Ravens may not be easy, and we have to beat them twice. Even if they play lousy against everyone else, they usually bring us their A game. If Terrell Suggs really will be out for 2-3 weeks with his MCL tear, that will help us, but I never underestimate the Ravens when they play us.
I think we can get to the playoffs as a wild card. I’d love to get back to the superbowl. However, if we make the playoffs but don’t make it back to the superbowl, we still did well and I will have considered this a decent season. Every team that makes the playoffs has a shot at the superbowl.
We do have problems, but I think those problems are correctable. We’ve played well this year and we’ve played very poorly this year. I remember years when we truly sucked. This is not one of those years.
by samliam on Nov 18, 2009 6:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get this. We don’t win the division means we have no shot at the SB? Folks there are two seasons, the regular and the playoffs. I like our chances regardless of whether we win the division or get a wild card spot. As Tomlin would put it, we are battle tested. We’ve lost a couple battles in VERY close games WITHOUT Troy. If Troy can stay healthy throughout the end of the regular season and through the playoffs, I really think we will be fine and probably in the AFC Championship game. Good gravey can we just look foward to beating the snot out of the Chiefs?
by Silverback92 on Nov 18, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I dont doubt waht u r saying..
BUT, you have to admit, the effort sucked! The Bengals wanted it more..that says a lot about this team! BTW, even against the VIKES, people say they dominated…we out rushed them too and held peterson down..BTW, Why did we not run hte ball more in that game too? Mendy 11 carries for 69 yds! Peterson 18 carries for 69 yds..
by nycsteelerfan on Nov 18, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just so this is clear to everyone.
Denver will NOT win the AFC North.
Bring a towel to the game. Black or gold or yellow. If you don't have one buy one, If you can't buy one, dye one!!!
by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 18, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ha no shit ME
I meant to say AFC West. Sorry I just woke up. Derrrrrrrrrrrrr
Bring a towel to the game. Black or gold or yellow. If you don't have one buy one, If you can't buy one, dye one!!!
by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 18, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So should we just give up while we're ahead?
So we can get a good draft pick?
by StoneColdSteel on Nov 18, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
All NFL teams have big letdowns
The Bengals were terrible against Houston earlier this season. Now that the Steelers have had their stinko game, they can get back to winning. I doubt that you’ll see another offensive showing like this the rest of the year from Big Ben and Company.
by Billy52 on Nov 18, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Easy buddy....
Ben had his worst game of the year…..he’s entitled to one stinker. For some reason – he was missing high all day and didn’t really move well. Coming off a tough and short week, it’s understandable to have an off game. The D played really well, even without Troy – who will be back, and really – can the special teams get any worse? That will get fixed because the coach will make it so. Have some faith – WE MAY NOT LOSE ANOTHER GAME THIS YEAR. I like our chances against any of the big teams. You need balance – not just on offence, but you need D and O. Indy’s D is hurting big time, as is New england’s. Brady and company raced up and down the field at will against Indy – and the Patsies look far from solid on D, and are very susceptible to heavy pressure on o – something we specialize in.
Chill man – we’ll be fine.
by SteelerNorth on Nov 18, 2009 11:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+10
I couldn’t agree more. Watching the sunday night game really showed me a lot. That neither of those teams could stop a good offense. Despite what we produced last week we have a good offense. It just wasn’t hitting right. Ben didn’t look right. Even on the sidelines he looked distant. Something was troubling him. I hope he fixes it soon. Our D can hang with the best offense anyone has to offer. I don’t know if Troy will make it through our playoff run (yes we’ll have one.) Even if he can’t our D is still scary good. Let’s clean up ST, get back to running the ball, and let BB find his inner zen. He usually does around this time so no need to worry all. We have a great shot here!
Bring a towel to the game. Black or gold or yellow. If you don't have one buy one, If you can't buy one, dye one!!!
by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 19, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we run the table...
Yeah, I agree… if we run the table, we will be fine. I believe that we will win the division if we manage that.
But I am amazed that you think we will… what makes you believe the 2009 Steelers are capable of such a run?
There was no bigger game than this past week in Pittsburgh. This is as big as they get. Win and you are in control. Lose, and you are playing catch up. This game was so big, no motivational speech was necessary at all… Everyone knew the importance of the game…
And the whole offense looked very flat. Give Cincy some credit there… their defense is for real. Our receivers just couldn’t get away from the corners all day. I don’t know if this is some huge shock to the Steelers or what, but we didn’t seem prepared for it. It doesn’t help that Ben was out of synch and missing guys by ten yards all day… but the whole Offense was clogged up.
I’m not worried about this being a trend, because I don’t think this “exposes” Pittsburgh’s offense. You have to have very talented corners to do what Cincy did, and not many teams have that. (Baltimore certainly doesn’t have that secondary any more…)
But we have tried twice to beat Cincy now, and couldn’t. Two different games, I’ll admit… but look at it this way:
Cincy kept the Steelers out of the end zone for the past 5 quarters.
The Steelers defense corrected their mistakes in this game. But the offense is 0 for 5 now. Something better change…
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 19, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not impossible
We just played Cincy coming off a 5 game winning streak, who’s to say we cant go on a 7 game winning streak. All 7 of our remaining games are winnable, so to say 6-1 or even 7-0 wouldnt be so far fetched. We need to fix some things, but who doesnt have any flaws. We’re a better team then we have played and i’m confident that we’re gonna get it all together and make a strong push.
by colorado steelhead on Nov 19, 2009 9:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Some perspective
In 2005 we lost three straight games in weeks 11, 12 and 13 to fall to 7-5. Included in that stretch were “must win” games against IND and CIN which they lost. That team was able to respond to that losing streak by rattling off 8 straight to win the SB.
In 2008 they lost “must win” games down the stretch against IND and TEN. By winning both they would have been able to clinch home field advantage throughout the playoffs. That team still managed to win nine of ten down the stretch including another SB victory. By the way the Steelers lost last year in week ten at home to IND, just like they lost to CIN at home in week ten this season.
Do past results guarantee future success? Absolutely not. However, the Steelers have proven recently that they can lose “must win” regular season games and still end up being the most successful franchise a the end of the season.
This year’s edition of the Steelers has not yet put together a full 60 minutes, and yet they are still 6-3 and right in the middle of the playoff hunt with a very favorable schedule remaining. Last year’s team looked down right inept in several games: PHI, NYG, DAL, and for most of the two regular season matchups with BAL. Yet they still continued to gel and improve over the course of the season and played their best football when it counted most at the end of the season.
I can’t say I have been thrilled with the play of the team for much of the season, but I will hold off from condemning them to failure since for the most part they have played much better offensively and similar defensively to how they performed last season when they were the best in the NFL at season’s end. If the Steelers lose this weekend to KC or get thumped by BAL in two weeks then maybe we can think about panicking a bit. It’s far too early to do so right now. We have the exact same record we did at this same point last season and look where that ended up. Patience folks.
by King Coebra on Nov 19, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree about this...
Last year’s Steelers had some games where they looked hopelessly outclassed (against Philly comes to mind).
But last year the team in our division that pushed us was Baltimore. And we beat them three times.
Frankly, if you lose to a team in your division twice, you probably don’t deserve to be division champions…
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 19, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where are your balls at?
Take ya steeler jersey off, hand over your terrible towel. FAIL. We have seven games left and the easiest part of the schedule in there. The division still is not lost because the best record wins! The bengals have AT LEAST two more losses coming to them, @ SD and @Minn. Some are even picking the upset special @Oak this week. If that were to happen that would mean that the steelers could finish 12-4 and still win the division, if it doesnt we can still win the division with a 13-3 record. Do you really think the bengals are going to finish 14-2, or even 13-3? Nah 12-4 is the best that the bengals can do. All we got to do is be 13-3 and we win the division get the number #2 seed and sit pretty once again in the playoffs. If we get past @Balt thats a very real possibility. So sit back and watch and see how it plays out. This team is still very talented, if D. Woods is the answer on special teams, watch out because we’ll win every game left. The defense is still good and the offense had one bad game, get real. We were playing with fire on special teams and we finially got burned. Stop giving up non-offensive TD and we win period. So get ya balls back! Put ya steelers jersey on, wave ya towel and lets get ready for this playoff run!
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Nov 19, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I still have my balls, but I also have eyes
I don’t know what the Bengals will do… their schedule is as easy as ours is, though… Maybe more. Baltimore will play hard and physical against us, don’t expect anything less.
I think it remains to be seen how badly Benson’s injury hurts Cincy. That could be a back breaker for them, because they are a different team when they can run the ball. For one thing, as is often said on this board, a good running attack makes a defense better.
If they can maintain a good running attack, yeah, I think Cincy ends the season at 13-3. You are expecting SD and MINN to beat them — even though we beat both of those teams and Cincy beat us — twice.
I think you are not giving the Bengals their due. As Mike Tomlin said, they are playing with an edge this year.
But, if the Bengals put the whole offense on Palmer’s arm again… I would expect a huge collapse that will have everyone saying: “They are who we thought they were…”
But speaking of the Steelers, let me ask you this: Think back… It’s 4th quarter. The Steelers need a touchdown. We have two minutes left on the clock, and the ball is in Ben’s hands… When was the last time you saw Ben go four and out in that situation?
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 19, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and that's why we stay confident until the end
some people (ravens fans) are ready to give it up in the 1st quarter when a game isn’t going right. SBXLIII taught me to never give up on the Steelers when Ben has the ball.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Nov 19, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes But...
It wasn’t just the SB. He had done it many times that year.
I was there in the Stadium when Fitz scored on the seam route. But the fans rallied around the fact that Ben had come back all year, and we had the confidence he could do it again.
What about this year? Correct me if I am wrong… but Ben has not had one comeback victory all year.
In fact, if he had been able to get that last field goal against the Bears or Cincy (the first time) — hell even a couple of first downs — the Steelers win,
But when the offense has been in the situation that they had to score this year they have not. That is VERY troubling.
With Ben, it has always been: “Look the guy doesn’t put up great stats… but he wins!”
Well, this year… he has great stats…
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 20, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"But when the offense has been in the situation that they had to score this year they have not. That is VERY troubling."
I agree this is troubling this year. After too many let downs my confidence may sag.
Last year was just so awesome for Steelers fans. This year just doesn’t have the same mojo. If you told me before the season that cinci would beat us twice, first I’d throw up, then I say well no repeat for the Steelers. Then I’d ask if Ben was on IR.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Nov 20, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plain and simple
If the Steelers just start playing up to their skill level in all phases at the same time, I think we are very much capable of beating anyone, anywhere, anytime. If they continue down the road of horrible ST and inconsistent offense(I can’t really complain about the D, they have been very solid in all but a couple games) then there are multiple teams that can beat them anywhere and anytime. Last week was the first loss that I didn’t feel they gave the game away but lost because the other team played slightly better. They control it, which is better than knowing you don’t have to talent to win the SB, but it is time to step up and start playing to their capabilities.
by DarinS on Nov 19, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Eh...
I thought the game was even. We did give the game away with a run-back for a touchdown and a very stupid penalty when we needed to get off of the field…
I thought the teams were playing very even football, though. That’s what bothers me.
I thought we were better than the Bengals…
by MarkJoel66 on Nov 19, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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