Pittsburgh Steelers (6-3) @ Kansas City Chiefs (2-7) - Getting To Know Pittsburgh's Week 11 Opponent
It's been a few weeks since we had a little Q&A with the SBN blog of the Pittsburgh Steelers upcoming opponent. Let's get back to it with a few questions from me for Arrowhead Pride, an immensely fast paced and popular blog. Considering just how sorry the Chiefs have been the past two years, it's remarkable just how vibrant and heavily populated a site Chris Thorman and his brother Joel (who I exchanged these questions with) have built. My questions to Joel's answers should be up on AP at some point soon. - Blitz -
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BTSC: Matt Cassell hasn't quite played like a quarterback worthy of the big free agent contract he got this offseason. Tell us a bit about how he's played and what Chiefs fans think his potential is as the rest of the roster on offense improves moving forward.
Arrowhead Pride: Cassel's hasn't played the best season in '09 but I think to a degree that was expected. There was no way he was going to match the numbers he put up in New England so I think that was an unrealistic expectation. The fact that he hasn't imploded in a situation with so many things going against him is impressive. He's not putting up the numbers yet but when the rest of the offense catches up to him he should play well.
BTSC: How is Kansas City's rush defense? Have their first round draft picks from the past two years - Glenn Dorsey and Tyson Jackson - shown anything this year that gives fans reason to believe their defense will be improved moving forward?
Arrowhead Pride: Statistically the Chiefs rush defense is about the same as last year but if you've watched them you can tell they're better. Glenn Dorsey is coming along. He's probably not the multiple Pro Bowler many of us thought he would be when he was drafted into a 4-3 scheme, but I'm content with his progress. Tyson Jackson is haven't a huge season but defensive linemen take a little while to develop and I trust Scott Pioli's drafting prowess when it comes to 3-4 defensive ends. I think both ends will turn out just fine.
BTSC: The Steelers have been atrocious covering kick returns this year. Who is the Chiefs KR and how has he fared this year?
Arrowhead Pride: You're terrible at covering kick returns? Consider this game a confidence booster. The Chiefs have really struggled in the return game this year. It seems like every week another combination of guys is trotted out there and the results are the same. The Chiefs return game isn't something you should be worrying about.
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The Chiefs have really struggled in the return game this year
I still won’t be surprised if they take one to the house
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 20, 2009 8:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Then you will be the only one.
We need our own version of Stefan Logan in a bad way, a Dante Hall part deux.
Cry Havoc! And let slip the Chiefs Defense of War!!!
by nateforchiefs on Nov 20, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In keeping with the steeler tradition
Logan would probably run one back every other game for you.
by SteelersVT on Nov 20, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Bring a towel to the game. Black or gold or yellow. If you don't have one buy one, If you can't buy one, dye one!!!
by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 20, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think after having a return TD against us in the last 7 straight games all Steeler fans expect it.
Hopefully, the adjustments we’ve made on ST can shore up the atrocity that has been our coverage unit.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 20, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see how special teams run-backs and offensive turnovers are correlated. Sure, our special teams sucks, but what does it have to do with poor throws and fluke plays on Big Ben?
Not trying to criticize you but I just don’t understand why that stat is brought up when we are talking about how crappy our ST is. The stat is that they have had three returns this season and that is unacceptable. The other four turnovers that turned into scores don’t have anything to do with the ST unit.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Nov 20, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, sometimes I think things and don’t necessarily type them out. My arguments can get cloudy because I don’t realize people are not also following my thought process. I meant to refer to any sort of return. I won’t be surprised if the Chiefs get a “freebie” return TD, ST, TO, or what-have-you.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 20, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no no, I wasn’t trying to criticize you or your logic…I was more concerned about the media throwing that stat out their like they are correlated.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Nov 20, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good interview
Can you do more questions and put the answers up to the bloggers?
That might be fun.
(Raiders game 1 should be listed here, 409 yds off, we let them off the hook)
(Cowboy's should be listed here - They are who we thought they were)
Skins
Raiders game 2
Next victim?
by cpa913 on Nov 20, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haley/Cowher Comparison
Thanks for the candid insights. I think you’re right about emotional coaches. When you’re winning, they’re inspirational. When you’re not, they are viewed as whiners or not being tough enough. I loved Bill Cowher as a leader. And his being from Pittsburgh — with one of the most authentic Pittsburghese accents this side of Dan Marino — made it even sweeter. But — and I say this as a HUGE Steeler fan — I think he was overrated as a coach. I can’t tell you how many times during his tenure people would say that the Steelers were outcoached in a game. And yet you hardly ever heard someone say that Cowher outcoached his opponent. Although this is only Tomlin’s third year in Pittsburgh — which makes him still a rookie so far as our coaches go — I’m loving his leadership, his focus and his good football sense. Folks on this site get down on Offensive Coordinator Bruce Arians a lot, with some justification, but few are seriously second-guessing Coach T. He’s a keeper.
by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Nov 20, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hate him or love him
Cowher may have been out-coached at times, but he was still a damn good coach. In 15 seasons he had a 62.3 winning percentage (I believe that is top 10 all time), won 8 divisional titles, took us to the AFC Championship game 6 times, SB twice, and won 1. If you made a list of coaches with similar accomplishments it would be a very short one. And very few great coaches ever win you the big one.
Some of Cowher’s decisions were questionable and may have cost us games, but more often than not that man won us games. You might not like him, but you have to respect what he did for us. Also, take a look at what the Steelers did in between the ‘79 SB and Cowher’s start in ‘92, it ain’t much. Cowher turned us around 180 from the crap 80s teams we had.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 20, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peter King...
…in one of his MMQB columns compared Andy Reid 11 years in Philly to Cohwer’s first 11 years with the Steelers noting how similar they were and I thought the comparison was frivolous at best because if Cowher had a QB of the caliber of Donovan Mcnabb for the first 11 seasons of his tenure he(Peter King) wouldn’t be comparing them.
by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Nov 20, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry, I’m a McNabb fan but I’ll take the Steelers defense and offensive lines over McNabb and what the Eagles had to offer over that entire span. If Jerome had made it healthy through the Playoffs they wouldn’t be making those comparisons either.
by Phantaskippy on Nov 22, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither Love Nor Hate
If you read my post again you’ll see that I have conflicted feelings about Cowher. I love him for who he is but am not ready to rank him as an all-time-great coach. As others have posted here, he was blessed with some incredible talent — which to his credit, he had a hand in identifying and developing. And it’s hard to argue with his results, even if he lost two (or maybe three?) heart-breaking AFC championship games at home. But his in-game decisions were frequently baffling and not terribly successful. By the time he left I didn’t hear many Steeler fans lamenting his departure. Of course, that crappy post SB season r may have had something to do with that. But I think most will agree that it was time for him to move on - he had lost the fire and the team needed a new direction. Maybe we’ll find out in the next few years if he can replicate his Pgh success elsewhere.
by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Nov 20, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disregard the strike-through above
not sure why it posted like that. I intended for it to read as typed.
by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Nov 20, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that last season played huge part in not many fans lamenting his departure. I’d be lying if I didn’t say I had a bad taste in my mouth after he left and still think a bit less of him since he left. However, I do appreciate his blind support for us every time they discuss a Steelers game.
As I said below he always had a game plan and stuck to it no matter what. He rarely if ever made in game adjustments. Oh well, that is long gone now. Although, now we have Arians who seems unable to adjust our offense. If things don’t improve and Tomlin doesn’t poke his head in and talk to Arians…it will be partly Tomlin’s fault too.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 20, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As I said below he always had a game plan and stuck to it no matter what. He rarely if ever made in game adjustments.
The AFCCG against New England is a classic example. All the time he had this propaganda that “we will pound and pound till you blink”. Taperiots only had to stuff the run and let Ben take control of the game. However, Ben was a rookie so I am not sure what Cowher would have done differently.
Also, I do believe that the Taperiots cheated in that game, so, I don’t want to put everything on Cowher.
by Han on Nov 20, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher's
Lack of coaching (for lack of better words) was made up for by the talent he hired.
by Damnscot on Nov 20, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with that
He had a game plan and stuck to it. He rarely made adjustments in game. So if the system failed he was out-coached. Generally, it worked though, because of the talent he brought in.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 20, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cowher was a great motivator, a coach from the old days. He ran plays five or six times, he sat on leads for entire halves. The man was hardcore. He was frequently out-coached in the play calling and game strategy, but the team was rarely outplayed.
I always thought Cowher would have been phenomenal in College Football, I’d actually like to see him do it, partly because I don’t want to see him coaching a different NFL team.
by Phantaskippy on Nov 22, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering just how sorry the Chiefs have been the past two years…
Hey, hey, HEY! No one is apologizing for how bad a team we’ve had ;)
BTW, you guys are totally going to lose Sunday. Chiefs:122 Steelers: 4
(that’s right, 2 safeties)
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!
by IISaiNtII on Nov 20, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad no one is beating around the bush anymore...
Gloves are off now! :]
by worc on Nov 20, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm an instigator
In a friendly way, but instigator none-the-less
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!
by IISaiNtII on Nov 20, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chiefs: 4 Steelers: 8
You heard it from me first ;) Kinda like the SD game last year just a little weirder.
Bring a towel to the game. Black or gold or yellow. If you don't have one buy one, If you can't buy one, dye one!!!
by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 20, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that was supposed to read
BTW, you guys are totally going to lose Sunday. Chiefs:122 Steelers: 4
This isn't a "kum-bye-yah" campfire! THIS IS FOOTBALL!
by IISaiNtII on Nov 20, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I already predicted that Succop would break the single-game record for FG's
and we’d still lose, 27-28. I have no idea how we’re going to score a TD against the Steelers. We almost didn’t score one against the frickin’ Raiders.
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
by PVChiefsfan on Nov 20, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While we are making predictions...
Chiefs -35, Steelers 21
by ChiefsFan90s on Nov 22, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew we'd be hearing from at least one of these guys.
by Billy52 on Nov 20, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
KC guys aren't bad
They’ve know they are rebuilding but still have fervor for their team. And they like to joke around a lot like people here on our blog. So far I haven’t seen any bad exchanges.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 20, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's enough of that hate speech
They’ve know they are rebuilding
Since you happen to have a six pack, it just seems fair you buy us a round

(Raiders game 1 should be listed here, 409 yds off, we let them off the hook)
(Cowboy's should be listed here - They are who we thought they were)
Skins
Raiders game 2
Next victim?
by cpa913 on Nov 20, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That looks delicious.
Chiefs win. 1,432 to -7. Yeah.
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 20, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ain't that just somethin' special...
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
by 1BlkGldFan on Nov 20, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec and I want Two Six Packs to go
Back to Kansas City with me
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 20, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wall of shame material????
(Raiders game 1 should be listed here, 409 yds off, we let them off the hook)
(Cowboy's should be listed here - They are who we thought they were)
Skins
Raiders game 2
Next victim?
by cpa913 on Nov 20, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I saw something on AP the other day that could definitely make the WoS
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
by Johnny_S on Nov 20, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised it's just one thing
Just wait til I start drinking Kool-Aid, lol
(Raiders game 1 should be listed here, 409 yds off, we let them off the hook)
(Cowboy's should be listed here - They are who we thought they were)
Skins
Raiders game 2
Next victim?
by cpa913 on Nov 20, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And it was quite possibly one of the best pics ever.
Speaking of which, I hope the facilities are well stocked….
It's years like this that I wish I was a bear. Hibernation would make it so much easier.
by Red N Gold Beast on Nov 20, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
RnG, The clubhouse has everything we all need for Sunday :)
We Will kick at least 4 Teams Asses in 09
And Succop will be the Key in two of them. Washington & Oakland!
" Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
by Steve_Chiefs on Nov 20, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question for you Steelers fans
With our BAD offensive line Matt Cassel is always on the move because there often isn’t a pocket to stand in. One complaint that a lot of Chiefs fans have is that he holds onto the ball too long looking for someone to come open. I know Big Ben is one of the best in the league at extending plays while he looks for someone to come open too. Is this something that he developed over time or has he pretty much been good at it from the get go? I see some likeness to Ben in what Cassel is doing, he just isn’t near as good at it. I’m hoping he’ll get better with time.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 20, 2009 4:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ben just has better physical tools to work with than Cassel does
If Ben wasn’t a QB, I’d put him in as a LB, TE or a weak-side O-lineman. The man is a giant, and tough as nails. Plus, Ben has the O-line (now) to let him have the 2 seconds more to make those extended plays happen.
"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin
by SteelFever on Nov 20, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Cassel is not physically as big as Ben
but he is 6-4 230 and the fact that he has been hit as much as he has this year and just keeps popping up shows me he’s tough enough. I just don’t think we can tell yet since his line and WR play (outside of Bowe) has been pretty bad this year.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 20, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the jury’s still out on how good Cassel really is. He benefited from playing behind NE’s tremendous O-line last year, so it’s reasonable to expect this to be a steep-learning-curve sort of season for him.
P is for Latrobe.
by holiday park on Nov 20, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's been debated at AP too
Cassel was one of the most sacked QBs in the league last year with NE. They did have several o-line injuries, but it makes you wonder "was NE’s line not really that good last year or does Cassel have a serious problem with holding onto the ball too long.
Feeling "The Love" and "Drinking the Kool AId"
by KCporkchop on Nov 20, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching Ben can make you old fast.
He’s an exceptional QB. Elite even. His abilities to scramble and be as accurate as he is while on the move is poetry. He holds the ball longer than most (I sound like a broken record on gamedays…“Throw it. Throw it! BEEEEEN!!! THROW IT!!!!”) His sack numbers are staggering. If he didn’t possess the sheer physical size he does; I venture to say he’d be injured much more often. He’s a mountain of a QB. His ability to extend the play has been pivotal to opening up a whole new playbook (uh-oh….here come the BA jokes…lol) He has a gift that few QB’s have. Ben is unique. He “just fits” with the Steelers and the Tomlin outline.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
by 1BlkGldFan on Nov 20, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt say he extends plays as much as the offensive line tries to cater to his style... he will stand in the pocket till A. He throws a strike down field. or B. He gets sacked.
The line obviously knows this and tries to block accordingly. Ben has caught fire for holding onto the ball to long for awhile but in the end it’s what makes him unique and hard to play against. Even 10 seconds into the play Big Ben is back there dodging a tackler and winding up to throw. It’s not a skill, it’s a flaw that helped make him special. Ask the coaches, it drove them crazy for years, but you gotta let him do his thing. :-p
by Lucasjr5 on Nov 20, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben came that way.
Ben has three skills that make him good at what he does: he is fairly agile, he has decent arm strength, and he has a good sense of what is happening around him.
Early in his career, guys coming in for the tackle would treat him like a big man – which he is. They would come in fast and try to lay on with a solid hit. Ben would dodge under or around them. He’s got good moves for such a big guy. He changes direction just fast enough that he gets bumped, not taken down.
Then, tacklers started going after his legs. Of course, Ben will make a throw even with the tackler wrapped around him. Ben’s bulk provides him with a solid foundation even when his feet aren’t set. His arm can whip the ball out even when his legs are hindered.
The plan after that was to tackle his arm, which is effective if Ben doesn’t sense that a tackle is coming. But that’s not easy. Ben has pretty good awareness inside the pocket.
These are all skills that Ben brought with him when he got signed by the Steelers. I don’t know where he learned them. Could Cassel learn, too? Sure. There’s nothing wrong with Cassel’s legs. He proved in NE last year that he has some toughness to him. But I don’t think the complete skill set is something Cassel would have learned working behind Brady in the NE offensive system. It’s something he might develop if your coaches work on it.
by Varmint on Nov 21, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
u won
at denver big i couild see a 35-7 pitt type of score
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Nov 20, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is this just a game to relax and pad the stats or is it a trap game ?
by WarWolf on Nov 21, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Steelers need to look for Speed & Diversification on offense
My two cents advice for the steelers offense is really twofolds: First, Diversification with their strategies and schemes (need to add more camouflage to their strategies so that team with good deffense would have hard time predicting what’s going to be on the next down). Second is Speed mainly for their receivers. With more camouflage and diversity of strategies, coupled with speed, the steelers offense could put more points on the board even against the best teams in this league. For example, look at last week’s game between New Engand and the Colts where Diversity and Speed dominated the offense on both sides of the fence.
by Joez on Nov 21, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Glenn Dorsey
Interesting to see those positive comments. When he was at LSU I thought he was a dog and wildly overrated in that draft. Last season seemed to suggest he was a bust but maybe he’s figuring it out.
I wish I was road-tripping to this game. Great stadium, great fans, great bar-b-cue. Really underrated city. Oh yeah, and it’s an easy W for the B&G. That helps. ;-)
by Steelers in XLIV on Nov 21, 2009 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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