Steelers Upset By Chiefs: Initial Reaction
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 22, 2009 4:24 PM EST
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Wow, credit goes to the Chiefs for hanging around and being in the position to win the football game, but the Steelers beat themselves this week with costly turnovers, poor play calling, and another huge special teams gaffe. This team has some major work to do if they intend to make any sort of push toward the playoffs. Next week we face a hungry Baltimore Ravens team that is 5-5 so let's take the next few hours to vent our frustrations and the crew here at BTSC will attempt to put together some content while we mourn this horrible, horrible loss.
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yes, your right Mike Tomlin didn’t stay in his lane and didn’t tackle Jamal Charles….also he threw two interceptions.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 22, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
It also didn't take him 15 years to win his first Super Bowl
by StoneColdSteel on Nov 22, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Please.......are you kidding me?
Tomlin was given a team that was LOADED!!!!!! What a ridiculous comment. Bill Cowher didn’t throw TWO atrocious picks in the SB either….NEIL O’DONNEL. ….
by baabaablacksheep on Nov 22, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Could that possibly mean
that when he loses games, he loses by a little bit….
Predictions.
1. Tank Tyler will end up surprising everyone and be the anchor of our line.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Tomlin?
The core of this team is still the team that won the Super Bowl against the Seahawks…..Tomlin’s done a good job for the most part in not messing it up and I commend him for that………but to say that it didn’t take him 15 years like it did Cowher is just BS and not fair and you know it…….Cowher wasn’t given a team just a year removed from the SB with a 100 million dollar QB…..in fact Cowher never had a QB until Big Ben came along……..Basicly……Mike Tomlin is George Seifert………or are you crediting the great 49ers team as George Seifert’s masterpeice? Do you think Tomlin would have won the SB in his second year if he was the head coach in Cleveland? come on
by baabaablacksheep on Nov 23, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you in all of your points, but you do come off with a tone that Tomlin is not a good coach. Yes a good team was handed to him, but you don’t just win a SB by showing up. Tomlin played a huge part in us winning XLIII. How many coaches do you think could have came in and won a SB in their second year here, even while be handing a good team? Not every guy could have done that.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
PIT 24 KC 27
Last time I checked Mike Tomlin doesn't call the plays so you can't blame him
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry for the loss guys
See you next week. The Bengirls are just licking their chops.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
It’s like the statistical aberration that proves the rule this year. I’m ok with it, I’ve come to terms with it.
I am beginning to think we are seeing both the Ravens and Steelers enter a transition. Got a lot of older guys out there, and young ones. I thought at the beginning of this year we might see age catch up with the Steelers, but it just seems like Ben can’t carry us this year. He and the defense dragged us kicking and screaming to the Super Bowl last year in a perfect Storm, not going to happen this year.
by Phantaskippy on Nov 22, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yup
You said it best. But the Bengals are in a transition to. From shit to a good football team. How come they are doing so well?
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
The Bengals can and will and do
RUN THE BALL!!!
by baabaablacksheep on Nov 22, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Defense man, that defense lets you move the ball, but you fight for everything, and they are taking advantage of every mistake.
Nothing in sports trumps a team just getting hot, or gelling, or whatever it is that suddenly turns a solid team great.
The Bengals defense has “it” right now, and with the weapons they have on offense, they could win it all.
Last years Steelers won with a lot of plays that could just be called luck. Fluke plays and big plays, just enough to win time and time again, all the way to the Super Bowl, you could outplay us and we’d still win. It just happens sometimes.
I hope the Bengals go the the Super Bowl if the Steelers don’t, I still like to see the AFC North win, those other divisions are just lame.
by Phantaskippy on Nov 22, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Steelers would be 8-2 at worst right now with a healthy Troy all year.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Healthy Troy all year, I don’t understand what you are saying, it just doesn’t make sense.
by Phantaskippy on Nov 22, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
They are who we thought they were.
Bungles lose to Oakland with harebrained plays in the 4th quarter.
You broke my heart (freddo)steelers
you broke my heart
Still don't understand a toss play on 3rd & 5 in overtime
shouldn’t you run it up the middle so at the very least you don’t lose yards
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
WTF?
This is absolutely disgraceful. What more can I say?
by dhamm818 on Nov 22, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
you can’t say that on this blog, everyone looks thru rose colored glasses here, they think with there hearts instead of there heads, they are blind leading the blind here… but hey its only football, the sun will still rise tomorrow, back to work, make that money, while those bums like there wounds and cash there million dollar checks
then go hang out somewhere else if you don’t like this place…nobody asked for you to be here.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 22, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
And your the type of fan who expects us to win every week, and hates the team when we lose and love them when we win
Bandwagoner
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
I try not to as well, but then I keep seeing your posts pop up…
by BluegrassSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
hope you like being banned!
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 22, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
sorry i don’t listen to ignorant retards
Funny, that’s a pretty ignorant comment…
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 22, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'm about finished with you.
Get a freakin Giants shirt and go away. K? You bitch NON-F’N-STOP. I have no patience left for your mouth.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
funny
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 22, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
We gotta stop beating ourselves
Last year whenever a play needed to be made, somebody came up with it. For some reason, it’s not happening this year.
2 bad decisions by Tomlin is why we are what we are.
We let McF go with no plan to add depth to the secondary, means while the D is still good, any injury in the secondary is a killer.
We have no big play skill position player at WR or RB, didn’t get addressed in the off season.
are you serious?
No big play WR? I can name a couple, and both have Superbowl MVPs to prove it.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
so who's the big play WR???
Holmes? you gotta be kidding. Ward is a solid WR but sorry are you saying he is equivalent to Moss or AJ or Ocho to name a few?
Yes, because Randy Moss’s and Andre Johnsons can be easily acquired and reap immediate benefits
by BluegrassSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
i think you are the one more off base good sir.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 22, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
big play receivers are only able to make big plays when the qb can get them the ball. today, the line didn’t give Ben the time he needed.
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 22, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
We have survived for decades without a "Big Play WR"
Plaxico Burress did shit for us here, in his “prime”
Holmes and Ward have both come up big for us, to not acknowledge them of that….proves you know nothing of Steeler football
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
yes and no
The discussion is about this year, then why is the offense non existent in the RZ and average overall.
Also, my watching Steelers goes back pre Noll, so when you move out of your mom’s basement, maybe you’ll drop the insults.
not a turn the other cheek guy.
I have not said anything about you opinions being dim witted as you did. But I think it is entirely appopriate to return an insult with the same.
If you disagree, most people tend to just state their opinion rather than deride the other person.
I questioned your Steelers knowledge. You seemed so dead set that we are not winning because we do not have a “Big Play WR” which i read as a Randy Moss, T.O, Plax or Marshall type of receiver.
We have 6 superbowls without having that “Number 1” receiver mold, and when we had Plax, he wasnt even that good
You chose to make personal remarks by saying I live in my mothers basement, which I’ll be honest, I laughed at out loud.
I made a remark based on what you had said, you took it a step further with an immature, childish, and lets face it, cliche remark
By the way, my mother happens to be dead in real life, so living in her basement would mean sharing a coffin
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
sorry about your mom, needless to say mine are long gone
I’m not saying that our WRs are bad. BUt do you honestly think that this year they put the fear of god into opponents like swann and stallworth did. and do folks fear mendy like they did blier and harris?
Holmes garners enough attention, Ward and Wallace shine when they are given single coverage
I think our offensive philosophy doesnt rely on that “big play WR”
Not to say i wouldnt mind a Brandon Marshall type receiver, but i dont really see it as a neccessity
Mendenhall is slowly garnering respect around the league, he just needs to keep it up
Remember after Parkers 06 season how much attention he got from opposing defenses?
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
you mean that guy that was creating something out of nothing in overtime isn’t a big play player? And the third round draft pick that has more receiving yards than any other rookie WR doesn’t count either?
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Nov 22, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
why can't the Off score TDs then?
none of our WRs scare anybody, sorry. I’m not saying they are bad, but no one has to game plan around then and they are easily shut down in the RZ, particularly Holmes.
We are getting out coached in the RZ would be a possibility…most of our TDs in the RZ seem to come when Ben scrambles…why aren’t we utilizing Heath or Spaeth down there they are both huge and have proven they can catch the ball except Heath’s gaffe today, maybe we should give Sweed a shot again he is tall and will give us the ability to lob it if he can hang on to a damn ball which has proven to be a problem…I’m just looking for ideas to get us RZ touchdowns
Well Spath he isn't what we thought we were getting
With Heath you have to crawl into the dark recesses of BA mind
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
It just seems ridiculous to me to say that the FO haven’t invested enough in skill positions to make this a dangerous offense. For instance since 2004 we have drafted:
Big Ben 1st round
Heath 1st round
Santonio 1st round
Spaeth 3rd round (sigh)
Mendenall 1st round
Sweed 2nd round
Wallace 3rd round
And this doesn’t list players like Willie Reid who were drafted quite high but never worked out. All of these players outside of Sapeth and Sweed have been very productive. Considering that Spaeth is basically misused as a blocker and Sweed may yet develope into a good WR, this is a pretty spectacular haul. In terms of drafting I’m not sure how you could invest MORE in skill position players without letting other aspects of the team go to hell. The fact that we’ve invested so heavily in skill positions in one of the big reasons why our OL is made out of mid to low round picks.
And, i doubt it needs to be said, no team lets a great skill player go unless they are simply a locker room nightmare or have deep problems off the field – see TO and Ced Benson respectively.
Considering our starting WR’s are Super Bowl MVP’s, our backup running back is a 2 time Pro Bowler, and our OL have been playing well this year I think there are only two possible reasons why we can’t finish in the Red Zone.
1) Poor play design/Poor use of the skills of the players in their position (i.e. Having Spaeth stay in to block)
2) Poor execution (i.e. Ben’s forced pass to Hines at Denver)
And both of these have more to do with coaching than the talent.
by BluegrassSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
You could always Draft 4 Hall of Famers two being Wide Receivers
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
you are so right
we are set at WR and RB and we have an all world QB….
oh, how come our offense is so average and in the RZ so below average?
So drafting Joe Burnett and Keenan Lewis isn't adding depth to secondary?
And we do have a big play WR. Unfortunately he can’t hold on to the ball when he’s wide open.
Some optimism
Well guys, just something to cheer ourselves up.
We anyways were not winning AFC N. So, the path was WC. I guess even with 6-4 we are # 5 in the AFC. So, nothing lost yet.
At the same time WC means playing on the road and we suck on the road. So, expect 1 and done in the playoffs.
Really? Fuck!
But I still think we get the # 5 seed.
Sighhhh the healing begins now
Season’s not over, but for the love of God, Troy should just be put in the game in a mobile wheelchair, that way he can at least still have his presence known.
I honestly can’t understand Bruce Arians on that overtime 3rd and short call, just terrible.
Miller’s drop/INT now really looks bad, despite him having a fantastic day.
Don’t blame Ike Taylor for that near INT; that was a ridiculous play, and he nearly had it. Would’ve been a great reenactment of the Tyree catch.
Don’t quit on this season yet. Just pray Ben is ok, and that Troy will be back soon. Out of all the guys you cannot lose, those 2 are the biggest.
Tomlin should be screaming at every single player in that locker room right now, and trying to get these guys up and running.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions
Agreed
Good points. Seriously disappointed by this loss.
by Silverback92 on Nov 22, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
If Ben is out for more than a game I’m going to start looking at the draft.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
PIT 24 KC 27
I'd want to bring in a vet like Gradkowski that is smart with the ball
and understands what is expected of him
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Should've beens
We should have kicked the snot out of the Titans, Bears, Lions,Bengals (at least once), and now the Chiefs!
"We'll continue to search for the ceiling"
lol we beat the Titans
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
my bad didn't see you listed the Lions
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sayin’ we should’ve kicked the snot out of them, not gone to overtime with one of the worst teams in the league….like today.
"We'll continue to search for the ceiling"
Without Troy
This is a slightly better than average team with some of the worst special teams in the league.
We’re still a tough out in the playoffs if #43 is healthy, and if we even get there.
But right now we are absolutely nothing special at all.
by Steelers in XLIV on Nov 22, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions
wtf!!!
lets face it this team just doesnt have the talent needed in coaching and im talking about someone who knows how to call a game and use our stregths
Need to Vent
Ok Ok…..You have to bring Batch in because of an injury. It is 2nd and 12 so a pass is somewhat imminent. He completes the pass for a 1st down…..Great right! Then on 1st down you empty the stinken backfield and throw an out? It almost gets picked/Wasted 1st down? Where is the safe run there? Then on third and 2 you run a sweep with Moore when you have FAST Willie Parker? The Steelers are getting out coached almost every game! Last week against the Bengals on a critical 3rd and 2 we line up in the gun? I really miss our power football game that has been our bread and butter since most of us can remember. It has been supplanted by a run and gun Madden video style attack. I am now changing the word stupid to “ARIANS”. Example: The coaching in this game was so ARIANS! I now feel better.
At least
The Ravens and Browns lost. Who knows, maybe Cincy will crap themselves in Oakland. Philly did it.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions
I called the Raiders winning!
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
PIT 24 KC 27
Thank God
That loss is just as bad as ours. Plus it keeps us very much alive.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
As far as im concerned
6 winnable games left, possible record of 12-4
I refuse to lose hope until we are mathematically out of it
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Steeler_ on Nov 22, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
we are going to lose at least one of Ravnes games
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
True, but they still have 6 games to play as well
Denver is dying, Baltimore relies on us losing, Houston and Jacksonville have a hard road ahead
Its not over yet
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
If Baltimore and Pittsburgh finish tied, we will be third in the division because of record against common opponents. Very tough to get in that way.
Im pretty sure it goes off head to head (i.e if we beat them twice), then divisional record, then common opponents?
Could be wrong
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
o really?
wasn’t today SUPPOSED to be winnable?
by nycsteelerfan on Nov 22, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
+1
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 22, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder.....
Do you think Cowher would come back if they give him Pittsburgh? I mean the whole city?
cower can stay down in carolina and continue to ring the bell at caps games.
im fine with mike tomlin. you should be too.
+100
seriously. what we have loved about tomlin in victory, we will come to appreciate in defeat as well. he doesn’t ride the roller coaster. he owns responsibility instead of passing the buck, and he will “get back in the lab” to try and be ready for the ravens sunday night. mike tomlin is the coach of the pittsburgh steelers. and a damn fine one, too.
...die trying
http://www.agentorangerecords.blogspot.com
so the best we can hope for is 11-5 or 10-6
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions
we are looking at 9-7
and third place, out of the playoffs!
by nycsteelerfan on Nov 22, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Stop Already Will You?
Ms Negative ALL of the freakin’ time. If you don’t believe in the team, then jump off already.
She need to...
put on a Giants shirt (any shirt will do actually) grow up and act like a lady she says she is. I’m so tired of reading negative posts from her (that contain much garbage about literally nothing) that I’ve pretty much stamped the wanna-be label on her forehead.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
not really..
I have been a steeler fan since 1974! I am not negative, but not a koolaid drinker! BTW, see how the bengals are destroying the raiders? we should have done that!
by nycsteelerfan on Nov 22, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, it was me calling myself one
I read the train in the wrong order, and was agreeing with you calling me negative. Then realized you were answering the other….long day….
Amen.
I’m just hoping we’re getting it out of our system NOW so we can get on a roll already. I’m not ready to pack it in for season. Too many games to play, and as we’ve seen so far this season, ANYTHING can yet happen….
Again, you're being negative
I don’t care of you have been a fan since 1874, enough already.
by VinniePie on Nov 22, 2009 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
good call on the Bengals destroying the Raiders
…..go away
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 22, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
Arians
I wish could see him so I could kick his ass right now. I mean literally kick him square in his ass with some good worn in Steel toe boots and try to break his tailbone. That would make me feel better.
what does that matter, poor play calling on 3rd down pretty much sealed it for us in OT. We have no real consistency with him this year.
what matters is that its not all bruce arians fault.
and im pretty sure he would put you in your place if you even looked at him wrong.
try again. see you next season.
Sorry, but I don't buy it today
This isn’t on him, we controlled the clock, the yardage….nope this one is on ST first and foremost.
You know what I just realized
Arians was at Cleveland before joining the Steelers. No wonder we inconsistent he’s still got that Clevend stench on him
I THINK
The Steelers had to work hard to lose to the Chefs. SHAME ON THEM!
Every day brings future to past, every breath leaves me one less to my last. DT
NO SUPER BOWL THIS YEAR
NO DEFENSIVE LINE. NO OFFENSIVE LINE. NO PASS DEFENSE. ROTHLESBURGER CANNOT DO IT BY HIMSELF.
THIS WILL BE A SORRY YEAR FOR PITTSBURGH. TOMLIN INHERITED A SUPERBOWL NOW HE HAS TO SHOW WHAT HE CAN DO. I AM AFRAID IT WON’T BE MUCH.
Lighten up Geezer...
Seriously dude, it’s 1 game out of 7 left in the season. No this certainly is a serious BUST of a game but come on… you jumping off the bandwagon too??
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Arians has got to go.
Some here on BTSC have defended his play calling since we’ve still managed to win games and a Super Bowl. But that sweep call on the last play was absolutely the last straw. He has got to be fired. His ineptitude is wasting an excellent defense.
How about ANYTHING ELSE?
Run up the middle (Mendenhall averaged 3+ yards a carry). Quick slant. Pitching it to Moore is not even in my top 50 Plays I would call.
no I would not. Because those are sensible play calls. Pitching the ball 5 yards behind the line to your slowest rb to the short side of the field when you need 2 yards is not a sensible play.
was the randle el TD pass to hines ward in the superbowl sensible?
im not trying to argue with you, just trying to promote that if we are worried about one play on third down in overtime, there must be huge problems elsewhere.
it was a pure shit call
you don’t pitch on a third to gain small yardage. That’s common freakin sense. Theatrain is right you’re wrong. Sorry
Bring a towel to the game. Black or gold or yellow. If you don't have one buy one, If you can't buy one, dye one!!!
by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 22, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'm no OC i've haven't played orginized football but even I know that is bad idea
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
i believe ken whisenhunt was the oc in 2006, my good sir
by bandwagonshmandwagon on Nov 22, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
yes he was then the Cards hired him after the steelers went with Tomlin
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
the game wasn't on the line
and that was a trick play, so of course it wasn’t sensible, but you have to take the situation into account. why are you defending arians so much? is he your father?
“you have to take the situation into account”
famous last words.
i guess they would mean something if the steelers had no offense yards in this game, but i guess i will keep reminding you bandwaggon fans until im yellow in the face
THIS GAME IS NOT A LOSS BECAUSE OF BRUCE ARIANS.
this game should have been over in the first quarter. if we are debating ONE FUCKING play call then the steelers have a huge issue that we all are ignoring…..
Short Pass
That was expected to be a run all the way. Especially with Batch in there. A short pass would have shaken things up, gone against the grain. Yeah, I know — 20/20 hindsight and all — but they needed to play against type there. No imagination.
by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Nov 22, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
They are what they are
This one hurts. They’re down 7-0 before I even take my seat at the bar? Just not there this year. I haven’ t given up. I’ve been following the Steelers long enough to know never to throw in the (terrible) towel. But, let’s face it, they’ve lost too many late in the game. That is NOT the mark of a a great team. They have the elements of a great team, but just can’t seem to put it all together. Playing for pride the rest of the year. Will probably make playoffs but anything from here on in is gravy.
by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Nov 22, 2009 4:46 PM EST reply actions
just have to say
you guys really whine alot. Just once quit blaming the losses Arians and admit that this is not your year and that there are teams that are better than yours and right now you happen to be looking up to one of those teams in your division
He's right!
But dont get used to it…You, as a bengal fan MUST win the SB before you can drown out years of shit on your side!
by nycsteelerfan on Nov 22, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Congrats Bengal John on winning...
…another November championship!
How many is that for you guys? One for the thumb?
When you actually win something in January and February get back to us.
by Steelers in XLIV on Nov 22, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Call me when you have ONE - just ONE -- Superbowl victory
Bengals are very good this year. Beat the Steelers straight up twice. I (gulp) even kind of don’t HATE them. But where do you get off calling us whiners? If you watched the game today, or the two squeakers in which Cincy beat us, you know that this is a team with a lot of talent. What, we’re not allowed to mourn a loss? Enjoy your season, but go back to your own blog and gloat when you have something to gloat about. Otherwise, we’ll bring back Kimo from retirement and tear up Carson’s OTHER knee.
by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Nov 22, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
The MeMo overtime sweep may go down with the Big Ben QB sweep at jacksonville as the most infamous moment of Arians offensive genius
by BluegrassSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions
the difference between this year and last . . .
. . . is a defense that was one of the best in history last year . . . and a defense that is merely pretty darn good this year . . . the bruce arians offense is conducive to acquiring yards . . . but not conducive to ball protection and winning consistently . . .
Not Arians, Ligashesky has to Go
We have given up a return for a touchdown in 8 straight games. In the last two games, this has been greater than or equal to the margin of loss. In other words, special teams has cost us these two games.
I love Ligashesky because he’s from Pittsburgh, but he has got to be fired. This is just totally unacceptable. I want to see him fired tomorrow.
some of those were defensive returns, but that still doesn’t forgive the special teams…it is extremely disappointing given how much the st improved from 2007 to 2008…i find that st is one of the areas that can most take the breath out of a team, just look at the playoff game against jacksonville, the vikings game (until the defense rose up), cincinatti this year, etc.
by bandwagonshmandwagon on Nov 22, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
24 points, 515 yards, 44 mins of possession
This one isn’t on Arians
Turnovers, kick coverage, and dogshit secondary play
Again
by Steelers in XLIV on Nov 22, 2009 4:49 PM EST reply actions
when we win . . .
it is because of ben and the defense . . . arians is on their coat tails . . .
oh ligashesky has to go . . .
but my assertion remains that arians’ offense is not conducive to consistent winning . . .
11-5 might not be good enough
Also, don’t forget that New England missed the playoffs with an 11-5 record last year. So we may have to be perfect for the rest of the season if we want to make the postseason.
11-5?
We are looking at 9-7! and third place, and no playoffs!!
by nycsteelerfan on Nov 22, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
go away
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 22, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I like your optimism.
Let’s hope heads are removed from a$$es before we’re totally out of it.
i agree...............
rare for an 11-5 team to miss the playoffs, only happened a couple of times in the last 10+ years
I still support the Steelers but it is going to be hard this week since I live in MD
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions
based on today . . .
each of the steelers remaining games is a losable game . . .
Until Troy comes back
that’s absolutely true
by Steelers in XLIV on Nov 22, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
if the steelers can lose to the cheifs .. .
they can lose to anybody . . . troy or no troy . . .
Haha
It was just funny. Picture someone inspired. then read what you wrote
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 22, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Wonder if Ben was in there.....
on third and 2 would he have audibled out of that ARIANS sweep? Interesting thought.
We had no choice
Ben went out with what looked like a surefire concussion after he took a knee to the head, did you want Dixon in there he hasn’t played in a non-preseason game in his carrer
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
What I was getting at is Ben obviously has a longer leash than Batch in calling audibles. Maybe Ben has to audible out of a lot of Arians plays.
by Jeffrey19608 on Nov 22, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
gotcha
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
We should let the negative nancies post all they want
They never post anything during the week and only come here after a loss. We should make a note of them and after we win call them out. That way we know who the fair weather fans are.
My positive spin
First I don’t ONLY come here and post after a loss. Second, we may be struggling but that is no reason to give up on this team. That’s what Bengal fans do. You’re not one of those, are you?
by StoneColdSteel on Nov 22, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
nope . . .
i never give up on the steelers . . . i’ve just given up on arians . . . it started last season . . .
Arians is what he is
We have won in spite of him before and we’ll do it again. But we are Steeler fans, we don’t give up on this team.
by StoneColdSteel on Nov 22, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I've also given up william gay
he is nothing more than a Nickle Corner
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
yeah . ..
i expected more from gay as well . .
At this point I'm almost want to put Deshea out there
but then I relize that he is 33-34 so that may not work to well
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Will Gay makes some nice plays, but leaves his man open too often
With the rise in calibre of #2 receivers and the rise of the pass happy offense, we need an upgrade.
I like Will Gay, but hes just not a starting CB at this point
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
I'm will to joe burnett out there
if he does make a mistake he can make up the ground because he can fly
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I really like Joe Burnett too
Not quite sure id give him that mantle yet. Maybe against Oakland who have no receivers
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
Just not ratliff thats all I can say
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Toughest part of the season
Steelers entering the toughest part of the season. Too tough on them you don’t win super bowls with a offense rated 15th and a defense rated 11th in the NFL and these statistics will get worse after this game. Face it this is the big time not flag football.
sick puppy
better look at the stats again you are all screwed up.
Finding Positive Spin
We don’t even go to overtime if not for Rashard making that huge hustle play to stop a TD. Props to him for hustle!
by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Nov 22, 2009 5:02 PM EST reply actions
Hey everyone, Spongebob's on!!!
Where do you begin? ST? The secondary out to lunch? Lousy play calling? Someones head should roll after today’s fiasco. It’s time to see how Tomlin handles adversity.
I’m sick to my stomach right now, can’t watch more football today, just check the net for the Cincy/Raiders score.
by VinniePie on Nov 22, 2009 5:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
KC Fan Here!
The best team did not win today but boy did we need a little hope in KC! Good luck the rest of the season and into the post season!
by casselreadychiefs on Nov 22, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions
Thanks
You guys made the plays when they needed to be made. You deserved this win WAY more than we did.
by StoneColdSteel on Nov 22, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks man!
Good luck to you and your team as well. It looks like they know which direction getting better can be found.
by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Nov 22, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah yeah yeah
Glad we could help you guys feel better about yourselves..lol Damn it’s a tough one to swallow…but… we’re a never-say-die bunch and we’ll beat the shit out of our team for this and be there next week to support them. Good luck to you all, too!! Still bleeding black & gold………….
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
well . . .
dumping a cancer like larry johnson was a steelers thing to do . . . so, perhaps the cheifs are on the way up!
Thanks
Gives me hope to see a fan for the opposing team who has some perspective. The loss hurts – alot! — but KC did what it needed to do to win the game. I take nothing away from what they did today. It’s got to be satisfying for Cassel, after that horrid game he had against the Steelers last year in NE.
by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Nov 22, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely! A ray of hope!
The best thing is that KC is starting to play as a team. We are severely lacking in talent. Last time we played you in Pittsburgh and gor throttled! I kicked the dog. Haley has been well critized so it is good to get some validation.
by casselreadychiefs on Nov 22, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Congrats
The more deserving team won today
by Steelers in XLIV on Nov 22, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Steeler Coaching
I understand you need good players to execute any game plan but isn’t coaching about getting the most out of the players you have. And isn’t that done by game planning a strategy that is within the ability of those players?
It seems that the offense almost has to play a perfect game for us to win. Many good teams have to overcome mistakes and injuries.
On the defensive side it is hard to think that with Dick LeBeau’s schemes that one player injury, any player, would bring the house down. The defensive schemes without Troy are obviously not achievable with the defensive backs presently on the field.
I know it is a bad word here but what about a trade for a good corner?
i think william gay has some developing to do, but trading him is not the answer. you have to remember that your worst corner is your weakest link, and it’s pretty hard to round up three deions out there. also, if the pass is spot-on (as several of KC’s were in the 2nd half), there is only so much you can do. the rules of the game favor the passing team.
I agree about the rules. The NFL has taken the phrase “Shutdown Corner” completely out. I have never has the utmost confidence in Ike Taylor or any of the DB’s ability to intercept a ball outside of TP. Most of our pass protection comes from the blitz. As soon as I see the opposing QB having more than 3 seconds to pass I start to raise out of my seat. The last couple of years other teams had an unconscionable 3rd down and 10+ yards conversion percentage against us. Sometimes having a big name out there does nothing more than make the QB question going to that side of the field. with our LB’s taking even a small part of the field out of the equation is a huge benefit.
by Jeffrey19608 on Nov 22, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
We are forgetting.....
Big Ben with 3 ints. 2nd week in a row with mediocre at best play. We gotta improve as a TEAM. We will make the playoffs but we need vast improvement if we are gonna make noise when we get there.
I’m not giving up hope, just royaly pissed.
GO STEELERS!
agreed.
Pittsburgh can make it to the playoffs, but everyone has to play to their full potential and it just doesn’t seem like that’s happening in the past few games. The game against Denver was fantastic. They showed up and played like a championship team. Even the game against the Vikings, but it’s like a totally different team the past few weeks.
Steelers fan always and forever, but god am I bummed out.
by Steel Nation on Nov 22, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
uh Ben threw 2 int's...
and one was entirely off the hands (literally) of Heath Miller, and in no way Ben’s fault.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
and the other one he was hit as he was throwing. i think that Ben was the bright spot in today’s offensive performance
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 22, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Ben had no business throwing that second INT where he did. Even if he wasn’t hit it probably is still picked. Hines had four guys around him.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
PIT 24 KC 27
Yes that is t kind of season that all t teams are going so show to us, their best game to face
The World Champions, if any of Us is not in that state of mind is not for this place, that simple.
We got some disturbing hurts all over The Team but WE ARE NOT DONE YET.
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
On the good side the Ravens did not score a signle TD today
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions
to quote gandalf the grey
there is hope a fools hope
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
It was a loss that we didnt need
But in no way was it a loss that has ruined our season like some are proclaiming.
The special teams kickoff coverage needs serious work. We cant keep letting leads be cut short, momentum swings or putting ourselves in a hole like we did in this game
It seems we either cut the runner down at the 20, or let him go the whole way
Incredibly frustrating day, but their are days like this, its a dark day
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
We certainly can make the playoffs,
But if we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot the guys will be at home watching the playoffs this year.
i agree . .
the only team that has beaten the steelers this year has been the steelers . . . save for the second concy game . . .
End of the Season
Well, not really the end of the season, but the end of any expectations I have of a repeat. Too many things wrong with this team right now.
positive spin!! . . .
it is games like these that have historically refocused the steelers and launched them on a long winning streak . . .
Shouldn't that have happened last week?
"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin
Absolutely pathetic in our ability to close it out!!!
Horrible ST play once again!
What kind of third down play is it to go to MM on a running play? Where were RM and FWP?
You're using logic to try to explain a BA call just stop
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Special teams needs to step up BIG TIME!
They are not going any where if they dont improve that part of there game.
Doug Fowler
by steelerfan19650511 on Nov 22, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Next game
I’m so happy that we get the Ravens in Baltimore next week. This is the sort of game you can put it all on. I think we have to call it a Must Win Game. Should be brutal.
Definitely a must win . . .
for both teams. The team that loses is on life support for the playoffs. Who’da thunk that the Steelers and Ravens would be playing for a wild card in week 11? Props to the Bengals. If the Steelers can’t do it this year — and I have by NO means given up — i want the Bengals to represent in the playoffs.
by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Nov 22, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Very true and that would set the pattern for the rest of Our season, been in a do or dead position
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
But if as Our fate this year is still the same that could be an easy game, and also agree
O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.
im out of a job and going back to school to further my education so money is really tight right now. so if any steelers “fan” is predicting apocalypse and calling it quits can i have your jerseys?
Total First Downs 27
Average Gain per Offensive Play 6.6
Net Yards Passing 401
Net Yards Rushing 114
Red Zone Efficiency 3/5 – 60%
Penalties (Number-Yards) 8 – 85
looking at those stats its clear we should all join in on a circle cry to fire Bruce Arians because he is totally the reason for this loss….
You don't run a toss on 3rd & 5 in overtime
You pound it up the middle
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the Penalty count
Unnacceptable.
Also agree with the 3rd and 5 play. Bad call. Play action or a quick slant or screen wouldve worked better
Sigh
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
what if the toss resulted in a touchdown?
what if pounding it up the middle resulted in a loss of yards?
what if my aunt had a dick?
then she’d be my uncle. What if a toss gives you a worse chance at getting the conversion? What if it was a stupid call. What if!? What if? Please shut up neverneder. Stop questioning people complaining about poor play calling
Bring a towel to the game. Black or gold or yellow. If you don't have one buy one, If you can't buy one, dye one!!!
by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 22, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
listen, you hear that? its the sound of you proving my point. everyone is calling for Arians head when the game should have NEVER gone to overtime to begin with. there are drastic things wrong with the Steelers ability to shutdown subpar teams, and it has nothing to do with offensive play calling. if you are going to cry and point fingers, point them in the right direction.
and no, i wont shut up, ive been here just as long (if not longer) than you and i will not have one of my favorite blogs descend into madness over a couple of rough losses. as long as i have the ability to post here i will continue to call out people who insist in using this place as some sort of therapeutic coaching clinic.
so what if your aunt has a dick, no big deal. we are both from california and are progressive enough to be cool with that.
When you have the lead run the ball to run out the clock
Its simple the steeler have done it for years and why you wonder it works
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
damn your cool
all progressive and such. Your picture looks like Bruce Arians. Maybe you yourself are actually Bruce Arians. Bruce called the last 2 minutes of the last 2 games. Result?
Bring a towel to the game. Black or gold or yellow. If you don't have one buy one, If you can't buy one, dye one!!!
by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 22, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
L,L
Week 10: not wanting to stick with the run when the Bungal DL had their ears pinned back and were just pass rusing and not playing the run
Week 11: runs a toss play that had no chance of success with 8 guys in the box great idea Mr. Arians
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Using this logic what if MeMo fumbles and Heath picks it up and scores its still a good call
Its the same reason you didn’t see us running toss plays with the bus, MeMo doesn’t really have the speed to get outside like that. Running it up the Middle has a better chance of gaining yards than running a toss with a guy with medium speed and is the slowest RB on the team, if anything a Play action pass would have done a better job than a toss does
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
I don’t buy it’s a personnel problem. We have great guys on our coverage team. Wasn’t KC dead last in kickoff returns as well? If the problem is recurring, somebody has to be accountable and that person is Bob Ligashitsky. The guy doesn’t exactly has a shining resume and his unit has been stinking it up for the most part of his time here. At some point you have to bring in somebody else if only to shake things up and give the guys a new take on STs…
Embarrassing
Never seen our team not being able to make plays when we need them…how often does Heath not make that grab, Ike can’t come up with the INT…Ligashesky, how can you not figure out our ST, get the players ready to make the plays, if they can’t do it get us new ones ASAP before they cost us our season GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS PLEASE OR GET OFF THE STAFF. Arians what were you smoking on the 3rd and 2 toss sweep to MeMo? If you want to give Moore the ball slip him out of the backfield into the flat and throw it to him…he has proven he can get the yards on those plays…Willy Gay I had hope for you before the season but it’s fading. I hang on to hope for the playoffs and a run to the SB..WE ARE THE STEELERS AND STEELER NATION WE DON’T GIVE UP!!!
I thought that the Bungals were unbeatable after "Beating the snot out of us"
Then they sign the Locker room Killer Larry Johnson, and some fans ligh thte Terrible towel on fire so bad things could be in their future
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
bury this game,
move on to next week,
win enough to get into the playoffs,
then records cease mattering
Im not even looking at our record anymore.
that went out the window last week. I’m looking at our performance on my Television and it’s pretty sad.
Bring a towel to the game. Black or gold or yellow. If you don't have one buy one, If you can't buy one, dye one!!!
by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 22, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
He is a rookie give him some time, Payton threw 28 int his rookie year
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
There is no real play which made us lose this game
1. The toss play which took us away from the FG range.
2. Our secondary which gave away the big plays resulting in the game tying TD and then eventually the game winning score.
3. The O which should have run the ball instead of passing (the INT drive), when we were running pretty well.
4. Special teams which demoralized us right at the beginning.
Each of the above has to share the same amount of blame. Granted the toss play failed but the secondary has to make a tackle.
It’s like going back to the drawing board.
Raiders and Bengals Tied with 30 seconds left
Amazing the opportunity the Steelers may have blown today.
Bengals Pissing Game Away in Oakland
Unbelievable
FG FTW coming up
Christ we should be moving into a tie for first right now, but shouldn’t complain. Major gift for our division hopes.
by Steelers in XLIV on Nov 22, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions
It makes the loss a lttle easier to take. But damn coulda woulda shoulda been a different story today
by Silverback92 on Nov 22, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
The world is fucking ending
sorry about the cursing
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply actions
Bengals have Minn. and SD coming
Early Christmas present
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions
josh cribbs had a concussion on monday and played today
by tha1andonly57@aim.com on Nov 22, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
your right we need Ben long term
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Number 52 Ray Lewis please stand up
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm confident in Charlie and if it comes down to it I think Dixon could make some plays
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
With Troy and Ben out it is the season
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions
whatever makes you feel better about the loss......
we are NOT good! We just got owned by the CHEFS. I am sooooooooo irritated at the amount of talent we have and getting fucked up by far inferior teams. Errrrrrrrrrrr
The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
-George Carlin
The Bungals who were supposed to win the super bowl lost to the Raiders
Bruce Gradkowski won the game for the Raiders, the Chiefs have an actual QB and some players the Raiders have Darrent McFadden and Sebastion Janakowski I can’t name anyone other than those three
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
lol
i love it. bengals fans are tired of losing.
Doug Fowler
by steelerfan19650511 on Nov 22, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Kurt Warner out possible concusion also
what the frak is going on
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 7:51 PM EST reply actions
OMG Tom Cable is gloating
I swear there is a god
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 7:53 PM EST reply actions
BA is bs
Bruce bs Arians needs to go, he’s a pass happy offensive coordinator who doesn’t know fooball history. Teams have consistently won games by running the ball, yet BA continues to abandon the run without giving it a chance. the last 2 games have been very hard coz the Steelers were in tight games were if the running game would have been given a chance, it would have given the Steelers better chances of winning the games. BA’s fondness with the empty back set is specially disturbing given the difficulty in protecting Big Ben in those situations, he has been hit and sacked many times out of those empty set formations, why not put a running back in those sets where at least the defense will have some guessing to do whether it might be a run instead of the obvious pass play without the running back, BA is a joke
They are freaking out at Cincy Jungle right now
one dude said that they’re going 7-9 or 8-8 I think that is a joke but I can’t be sure, one dude wants to trade Caldwell. Mostly the Bungal fans don’t know what to do other than over react, wait a minute…
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
One guy wants the Bungals to Fire Bratkowski
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of us have said that
Kinda like you guys have with Arians. Shitty week for both of us. I don’t see the sky falling for either of our teams. In neither case the better team won. In both cases, our respective teams let the underdogs hang around too long, essentially leaving us with a two game lead when we had the opportunity to take the crown. Not having Ben could be a killer for you guys. He’s a tough guy, but when you get hit as much as he does with his history of concussions, you’ll have to expect him to miss time. At least one week to get his senses back. Batch isn’t a bad backup option, but is old and not durable. With the stretch run for Both us and you guys being fairly easy, only we got our games against B-More out of the way already, there is still a potential rematch. all depends on how the cards fall in the next 6 weeks.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Nov 22, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
With all the injuries I am saying it first The Browns are going to the superbowl
The Browns are going to the superbowl
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 8:09 PM EST reply actions
The fire is out
I have seen a real lack of emotion by the entire team this year. It seems like we are complacent or distracted, and in the worst moments detached. KC was full of energy and they were hitting us in the mouth, playing hard and fast but we didn’t seem to really ever match that intensity. We were the better team, but they played harder and with more determination. It could be that some of our older players and team leaders have a little less desire (Hampton is going to be a FA, same with FWP, Smith out, Ben dealing with off-field stuff) and our younger players aren’t quite ready to step up and fill that void. Our play calling has also been suspect. Spreading the field inside the red zone and abandoning the run has led to disasterous results and it seems the league has done its homework on how to beat our defense.
However, its how you play in December and January that really counts. Let’s get Troy healthy, get fired up and play our best ball going into the playoffs. Don’t give up on this team yet. We have the talent, but do we have the desire?
By the way it looked like Batch audibled into that sweep play in OT….
only bowl the Browns belong in is toliel bowl.
lol, The Turds of the NFL.
Doug Fowler
by steelerfan19650511 on Nov 22, 2009 8:11 PM EST reply actions
Chiefs fan here:
I just wanted to say first and foremost any loss is a tough pill to swallow. I should know—I’ve been a lifelong fan of the Chiefs (21 years in May).
You were not “owned” by the Chiefs. It was a battle on the gridiron out there! It was one of the most exciting games I’ve seen in the last couple of seasons.
Both teams were gutsy, and both teams made plays and showed a lot of courage. The Chiefs fans needed this win to prove to ourselves we aren’t as horrible as our record indicates. I’d say we’re more of a 5-11 to a 7-9 team right now. Beating a team of your caliber really gave us hope.
I can speak on behalf of fellow APers: we respect the Steelers and admire what their franchise has accomplished. Thanks for giving us a memorable game!
Thanks
you are better than Raven fans
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Look forward to the playoffs! I admire your team. They've given the Patriots a run for their money!
I understand you expect the best from your team because, well, they are one of the best. Just remember—it could always be worse. You could be the laughingstock of the NFL like the Rams, Raiders, Browns, and Chiefs.
I’m the same way with my college basketball team (go KU!). They are expected to compete for a NCAA title this year, and I also expect nothing less than a final four appearance. Losing a game you shouldn’t is a let down, but look ahead to brighter times in the future!
by SupremeChief on Nov 22, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well after winning back to back superbowls in the 70s
and the steel curtain era we have high expectations. And the Steelers sucked in the 80’s
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
And rightfully so...
It’s what fans expect from the best of teams.
by SupremeChief on Nov 22, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Great to see fans like you make comments like that.
Take Losing and winning as part of the Game. Loses are tough but they both played hard out there. . Ive been a Steeler fan since 1970.Its a team effort. God Bless you. I was 10 years old When I seen the Steelers win their first Super bowl it was Against Minnesota. Super Bowl IX They Won it 16-6..
Doug Fowler
by steelerfan19650511 on Nov 22, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
It is no trouble.
Sportsmanship comes first and foremost. I have to give credit where credit is due…even in a loss, I believe your team displayed why they are defending Super Bowl champions. It was one heck of a game by both sides! Your team is loaded with talent; for that, I am envious.
I will go out on a limb and say you are THE best team in football. It’s nice to see someone steal the crown from the Patriots. I was sick of them winning Super Bowls year in and year out. And you beat the Broncos in a great game. There is no reason whatsoever Steeler fans should doubt the team.
I genuinely hope you win the rest of your games and have a strong showing in the playoffs.
by SupremeChief on Nov 22, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
According to Bengal fan the Ravens will have a field day next week
their reasoning No Ben or Troy, apperently they don’t know we have a guy that would start for most teams and guy until he got his knee tore up was in the Heisman running so I think we are good at QB.
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
Well Joe Flacco has not been playing well The Ravens had no TD today
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
My point exactlly
some thing different squmish need not apply for this video href=“http://www.sbnation.com/2009/11/22/1169540/video-eric-woods-horrific-no” target="new">
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ravens have a field day? lol
The bengals did not have a field day Against the steelers in either one of the wins to the steelers. Troy was out of both those games.
Doug Fowler
by steelerfan19650511 on Nov 22, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
That's what they said
I think they should get their own house in order before talking about other teams not playing well
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ed Reed actually lost it for them
and Flacco had a interception in the endzone. Sound familer
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
How did he do that excatlly
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
He fumbled on a punt return
they only needed a field goal. He has neck problems from the Hines Ward hit and can take a hit.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/22/colts-win-with-help-from-ed-reed/
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Then why was out their on returning punts
Didn’t they bring that Carr guy for reasons like that
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Batch would start for most teams?
Seriously, name some teams that Charlie Batch could start for right now.
Oakland. Maybe Buffalo. Anybody else?
If Ben doesn’t play next week we lose by double digits. I appreciate what CB brought to the team the last couple years but his day is long gone.
by Steelers in XLIV on Nov 22, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
CB is Charlie Batch!
sorry, we were trying to figure that out in the missing thread.
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Nov 22, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
IMO
Oakland, Tampa Bay, Buffalo, Cleveland, Miami, Washington, Detroit, Carolina, St Louis
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PIT 24 KC 27
That same backup, while servicable, and a good QB
Has never shown that he can start an entire season. Batch is injury prone. He was in Detroit, too. Don’t forget you don’t have Aaron Smith either.
That Bengal fan that made that comment was ME. We barely beat you without Benson for most of that second game. We sacked Roethlisberger 4 times without Odom. Almost had another Pick six on him. However, both of our teams have been let down, by two equally bad teams at that. And the Ravens, your opponents, plus the Browns, our opponents, lost close games today as well. We will still meet in the Playoffs, I’m just here to drop some facts about your backup that you don’t think I know about. I’m not trolling, just here to have a friendly discussion, but nothing is friendly when it comes to you guys, and you feel the same about us I’m sure. I’m sure I’m gonna be banned for this so I may as well get my two cents in. See you in January.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Nov 22, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
People with injuries
Ben
Troy
Kemo
Kurt Warner
Two linebackers for GreenBay
Suggs from Baltimore out for six weeks possibly season
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 8:25 PM EST reply actions
Larry Fitzgared must have a four leaf clover and horse shoes because he
is on borrowed time. The Madden curse will strike
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
One LB for Green Bay Al Harris is a Corner
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
The Injury bug has struck the NFL
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Bengal Panic
Wow, if you thought the sky was falling in Pittsburgh, go check out the Cincy Jungle blog. People are all but committing suicide over there. Seems like that newfound confidence they’ve been spouting doesn’t go very deep.
by Citizen of Steeler Nation on Nov 22, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions
No, its all they know how to say when confronted with a actual agrument
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
I have already reported that
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
The execution of our special teams coverage unit....
…seems like a damned good idea.
I suggest that Stefan Logan be the first one shot.
Maybe that’ll stiffen the resolve of the others.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
How about the ST coach
take them to point state park
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Make them run up some hills I guess
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
one side kicks at least the defensecan keep the ball out of the end zone
from running it back. and jeff reed could actually tackle some one .lol
Doug Fowler
by steelerfan19650511 on Nov 22, 2009 8:41 PM EST reply actions
onside kick
A typo on the last comment.
Doug Fowler
by steelerfan19650511 on Nov 22, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Goosefrava
Does anyone think that perhaps the AFC North canibalizes itself and that as Defending Super bowl champs we are going to get every teams’ best shot, especially those that are having down years??Everyone needs to relax, there are still seven long, grueling weeks left and as today evidenced there will be lots of injuries.Personally I see us going on a streak and getting a healthy Troy and a healthy FWP and grinding people up in December with a nice 2 headed running attack.I will be surprised if the special teams coache survives this week.I gaurantee that there are 4 or 5 guys on practice squads that will sell their souls to be on an NFL kickoff team.
I am predicted Colts vs Minn in Superbowl
I now it is a sin to say it but we just do not have it this year
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
I am now joining team Negative Nancy
This team just does not have it. I really don’t understand why, but this is not a team that is going to win enough games to slide into the playoffs or do any damage if they get there.
Tomlin needs to do something about this horrible ST coverage unit. Making one move is not enough. We need to cut under performers and put defensive starters out there. We cannot continue to give away points and expect to win games.
Also, how long do we have to watch this terrible play calling before something is done? On 3rd and 2 near FG range in OT we try to run outside? That is the worst call I have seen all year if not my entire life watching football.
Also, maybe FWP is showing he should be getting some more carries. He ran pretty damn well today.
Wall of Shame
"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
PIT 24 KC 27
The Threat of being replaced will make anyone play better
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
It happens
The Bengals lost to the Raiders who have negative talent, Nnamdi not going to try to spell his last name is really all they have
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Vegas had the Raiders wining too I wonder if a fix was in
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Even if the fix was in the Raiders would find a way to screw it up
this had to be blind luck
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 22, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
Or the fact that JaMarcus Russell was benched
Face it, if he played, no way the Raiders Offense put up 20 points.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Nov 22, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I called it this week that I thought they could keep the game close against the Bengals. They do have talent which was completely thrown in the trash with a horrible football player behind center. Russell should never be allowed to touch a football in Oakland ever again.
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"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
PIT 24 KC 27
I'm calling it the "blind pig has to find an apple sometime" edition
Just glad the Raiders nose wasn’t stuffy and they found that apple!
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Palmer made some bad decisions late in the game.
Palmer took another sack inside the 5 yd. line in the 4th quarter and the Bengals had to punt from deep in their end zone. It was almost a carbon copy of the play against the Steelers last week.
Ben
He made some great plays today, but has to learn to get the ball out sooner, especially when he has the lead.
Where are the game wining drives?
What happened to Ben’s ability to win games?
I counted 3 times when had the ball and plenty of time to win the game.
I called this in the preseason!
On this site, during the middle of the preseason, I posted a note commenting on how the Steelers were too lax and not taking seriously the difficulty of keeping an edge after winning the Super Bowl. I noted some national sports reporters who had noticed players taking a lot of time off practice, sitting on their helmets, etc. I was also bothered by Roethlisberger doing that stupid television segment for Shaq on ABC. This kind of unfocused, distracting behavior is not tolerated in New England, where the Pats hold their team to a higher standard. But after Tomlin had worked the players too hard in his first season and watched them tire out down the stretch, he apparently thought that his looser approach last year, which produced a SB victor, was the right strategy. This was a big mistake. Tomlin rightly took ultimate responsibility for the loss today, and noted that the team is not playing anywhere near its potential. That is because they lack focus and discipline. They are no longer hungry. I thought Tomlin was the kind of guy that would avoid the Cowher letdown, but he is only marginally better.
Blaming the losses on the lack of Polamalu is a terrible excuse. Remember the Patriots having receivers play defensive back and linebackers play tight end to account for injuries? The Steelers also said that they would increase positional flexibility to address injuries, but it is just lip service. Moreover, a team that needs Polamalu to win is not a very good team.
The coaching below Tomlin is terrible, especially on offense and special teams. And the players, who are on the field, are the proximate cause of the losses, so they bear a lot of blame. This is especially true of Roethlisberger, who clearly needs to play much better for them to win. But at the end of the day, the tone set at the top is what produces that last 2-3% of effort and desire, which in the NFL is the difference between playoff near-misses and a SB trophy. Tomlin has a chance to inspire this team the way Cowher did his in ‘05, but at this point, I’m very skeptical that it can happen. You can draw a straight line from a pathetic loss to a putrid team in KC to Tomlin’s letting players sit out practice or sit on helmets in August. Cowher always talked about the fine line between winning and losing in the NFL, and the Steelers’ laxidaisical attitude has put them on the wrong side of that line. I hope it changes fast, but I am very pessimistic…
it is so painful
when most of our losses come when we have outplayed the other team!
But i guess in a way it keeps me optimistic. None of our losses were as a result of a team manhandling us. We have to play complete games and not beat ourselves.
Aw come out of the dark and into the light ec!
No one will argue that any team that puts the stats on the board like the Steelers did today should have won it in a very, very big way… until…. you get to the turnovers. Can’t turn the ball over that many times and expect to win. Also, can’t have an INT in your hands and fail to bring it in while your team is fighting for their lives in OT. Don’t give up just yet…
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
What happened?
I was watching the game (missed the first few minutes and opening TD, my feed link was dead) and we looked great in the first half. Running game looked good, we were throwing screens, short check downs, completing long passes too. I even commented in the first half thread that BA was calling a good game!
Halftime comes and goes, and the new feed that I was watching craps out. By the time I screw around trying to get a decent new feed up, and ultimately going to a sports bar, the third quarter has expired.
So now I’m watching the fourth quarter, and feeling pretty good about the game. We don’t quite seal the deal in the fourth, and it goes to over time.
We have the ball and I think it is 3rd and 2 at the 37, I look away for some bar related reason, and when I look back we are punting!?! Kansas City’s offense drives the length of the field and scores. Game over.
What happened to all that great offense I saw in the first half?
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Nov 22, 2009 9:40 PM EST reply actions
Those "bar related reasons" will get ya every time..
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Don't even know what is was now.
Did manage to bag most of my leaves after the game, with no turnovers.
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Nov 22, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
People who are saying this season is lost are ridiculous
I hope the team doesn’t have the same attitude. They would be in the playoffs right now if the season ended and its not like we have too tough of a schedule going forward. This team obviously has great talent and they obviously missed Troy P today. When he gets back, the defense will get back to being dominant and we could get right back on track. WE ONLY HAVE 4 LOSSES, it isn’t like we just moved to 5-5 or 4-6. We are 6-4 with 6 games left so people who are giving up hope don’t understand the NFL. Remember that 2005 season where we were 7-5 and “out of the playoffs?” Remember how that year ended? I find it mind boggling the amount of people that are giving up on this year…..
Give credit to the Chiefs today too. They never gave up hope today even when we went up by 10 going into the half. They executed well, didn’t make mistakes and got the win for their home crowd (I was at the game)
"Elvis Andrus has just preformed a MIRACLE!"
-Eric Nadel, 5/4/09
The Positives
LaMarr Woodley, Lawrence TImmons looked like the future of this defense, both having big days.
Ben was great minus the red zone pick, and the no-slide on the OT scramble. I’ve never seen him break out of so many sacks in one game before.
Aside his costly and rare mistake, Heath Miller had a great day.
Hines Ward had a great day.
Sepulveda continues to crush punts.
I’m sure I missed something but we’re a lot better off than a lot of teams.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 9:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
something missed
The offense looked fantastic in the first half!
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Nov 22, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Lawrence Timmons appeared to give up on that final play of the game. Not sure if anyone else saw it, but it sure pissed me off.
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"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
PIT 24 KC 27
I was too busy punching a wall
But that’s uncharacteristic of him. He’s a pretty hard-working guy from what I’ve heard. He could’ve been really pissed off, idk. Still if that’s what he did, he’ll be running extra hard this week in practice.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Nov 22, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of guys looked out of position on that play. Timmons to me didn’t look like he had a good angle or was going to catch Chambers.
by Silverback92 on Nov 22, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn’t mean yous top running. You think Mendenhall decided he didn’t have a good angle or a chance to catch the defender on that one pick? No, he just hustled and with luck he made a tackle that saved 7.
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"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
PIT 24 KC 27
thank you
for not just focusing on the negative. yeah, today sucked. but i can’t stand all this negativity. we are a very good football team who is certainly struggling right now. it happens. take a look at the 2005 season. how’d that turn out? oh, yeah, a super bowl win. i’m not saying we’re going to win the superbowl. but i’m also suggesting that the season isn’t over. in fact, i know that we have AT LEAST 6 more games to enjoy watching our black and gold try and beat the opponents. this is football – aren’t we supposed to be enjoying it?
ps. the negativity/inane commenting on this post is almost completely unbearable to me. hard for me to read. i need some more level-headed comments!
...die trying
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by agentorange on Nov 22, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
We haven't peaked too early
"I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest. If you can't take it, you shouldn't play." Jack Lambert
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Nov 22, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I liked the way Mendenhall was involved in the passing game. I love the way he runs with the ball, decisive and powerful. He looked a little timid at first receiving the ball, but as the game wore on his catch and run got better. Glad this kid is breaking out. Anyone notice he spins less now, and when he does guys are falling off of him.
I hope Mendenhall gets his revenge against the Ravens and more specifically Ray Lewis this week. If anyone should be geeked for this game, this young man should be.
by Silverback92 on Nov 23, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Rec'd
It’s normal for a team to make a few mistakes during the game. There’s will be at least one INT, at least one missed tackle, probably a lost fumble, and, with Big Ben at the helm, at least 2 or 3 sacks for lost yards. Usually the opponent makes the same number of mistakes.
The problem with this particular game was that we gave up points with almost all of our “usual” mistakes. Then we added a few more than usual, for good measure. Credit to KC for being opportunistic. They took every mistake we served up and made the most of it.
Of course, KC made mistakes, too. We capitalized on at least one of them. But we let the other faux pas go unpunished. Shame on us.
Despite our mistakes, there was a great deal to be happy about.
Last week, Big Ben played flat. He completed something like 49% of his passes. This week: 76% for almost 400 yards and three TDs. How’s that for week on week improvement? Ben spread the ball around to 8 different receivers with Ward, Tone, and Miller each getting more than 7 catches. While he is credited with 2 INTs on the game, one of them is clearly not Ben’s fault and the other is questionable.
Remember when FWP and Mendy were getting stuffed in the backfield at the start of the season? We had 2 rushing plays for a loss in the entire game. We were consistent. As much as I would have liked to see more runs called, we used our feet 31 times and passed for 44, which is not a bad mix for Arians.
Observations from a First Time Poster
1. One guy does really make a difference. No Troy, no big plays.
2. Steelers do not play “pissed off” this year. Maybe it’s not a Super Bowl hang over but it sure looks like a headache.
3. Time to put Harrison, Kiesel and anyone with a little “attytood” back on kick coverage. It’s clear that whatever they try and whomever they try it with in kick coverage is not working. It has cost them the last two games.
4. In "08 they made the right plays at precisely the right time to win games. Now, it’s just the opposite. I don’t believe in fate or destiny but this year I have been expecting them to screw up and they’ve come through. Someone has to step up and say “enough!”
5. Play calling wasn’t bad this week, execution sucked.
6. It would be nice if we could point to one thing that has contributed to the four losses. But it seems everyone is making a contribution: Kick coverge for sure; Health Miller shows “Sweed” hands on ONE play and it leads to a pick: Gay gets
confused in coverage (not the first time) and it leads to a TD; Entire secondary loses its bearings and gives up two consecutive big plays that cover 76 yards; Ben’s carving up the Chief secondary except when he throws a pick – not sure who our receiver was on that one – and we can’t run down the LB that made the pick until he’s inside the five.
7. Now for the bright side: The Begals truly cannot stand prosperity. Given an opportunity to do a tap dance on the grave
of our rule of the AFCN, they choke to the friggin’ Raiders.
8. We have six left. All winnable.
9. The Bengals are on the road to Minnesota and San Diego, both teams are hot.
10. We have been in worse spots before and come out on top. If this were Backgammon, I’d double down on our
chances of winning the division outright.
we need help
i have been a steeler fan 4 35 yrs 2days lost ended a dream of another great season!!! we need serious help on special teams they r killing us!!!!!!!
by bobbys steelers on Nov 22, 2009 10:09 PM EST reply actions
Happy belated birthday!
45 years and 6 days here.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
12-4?.....nice prediction. My distaste for BA continues.....
First let me say thanks to the Raiders for beating the Bengirls. I believe it was the Bengirls David Fultcher who knocked Bo Jackson out of football, I’m sure that was the main motivation for their play on the field today… = )
This loss was not a major surprise to me. I thought KC would be much more desperate for a win than us today.
I still hate BA. His short yardage play calling boggles my mind. I hate 4 WR on 3rd and short.It takes away the threat of the run. With Mendy busting up the middle lately,with his 3.5 yards and a cloud of dust style,I would like to see more play action( a la Indy)
I don’t disagree totally witht the 3rd and 2 run to Moore. He has made some big plays by making the first guy miss in his short career in Pitt(although I would have preferred Mendy in the game). What I do disagree with is the punt on 4th.
I hope Ben is okay.
I also hope this team will finally start feeling that sense of urgency that seems to be lacking in the 4th quarter this year.
Better luck next week.
F the Ratbirds.
by zenhas12strings on Nov 22, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions
On the play where Wallace fumbled it was 3rd and 4 and BA called for a deep pass. It seems like we do that a lot and it is really frustrating because that is such a low percentage type of pass that stalls out a lot of otherwise good drives.
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"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
PIT 24 KC 27
Without Big Ben it is over
I would rather lose the game to the Ratbirds than see Big Ben get hurt and possibly lose his career.
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm tired of the BA whining
Only one coach should be on the hotseat and that’s BL : Bob Lickmyshitsky!
Arians might make a some calls that we dislike, but he put together a package that has allowed Big Ben to flourish. His rapport with Ben is great and he can’t be held accountable for every screw-up, some players need to step up in critical situations like we did last year in the final run.
On the other hand, enough is enough with bad special teams play! I’m not just talking about our coverage either, we have weapons in the return game but nothing good is happening there. Although last year was a very good year in terms of coverage, one year out of three in the NFL just won’t cut it. I’m not a big fan of midseason coaching changes if he doesn’t settle this problem fast we need to look elsewhere… As coach Cowher once said, it’s all about accountability in this league.
Is it coaching or execution? There were at least 2 if not 3 broken tackles on the run back. Not sure the coach can be responsible for people not securing their tackle. I don’t see a firing taking place. We had one of the better kick coverage teams last year, but maybe we let some key pieces go in the offseason?
by Silverback92 on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
“Arians might make a some calls that we dislike, but he put together a package that has allowed Big Ben to flourish”
Flourish into what? a QB who throws 40 times a game…big deal. He was just(maybe more) as productive in the W column when he was throwing 20 balls a game
by zenhas12strings on Nov 23, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Come on!
He won a Superbowl, has been very successful this year, and the fact that he has thrown more doesn’t take away from his success. This is 2009, not 1979, everybody throws more in today’s NFL, like it or not. Do I think they should have run more against this defense? Sure! But the point is Arians has done a good job with Ben, has a diversified package and although we sometime second-guess his playcalling, other things are at play in our team’s struggles.
And Silverback92, I do believe fundamentals such as tackling in open space are coachable and therefore the coach has some responsability in the failure to execute properly. Players share responsibility, but ultimately when you let 5 through somebody has got to be held accountable. I agree that a firing is probably not going to happen in season, but things have to improve because that seat is getting pretty hot!
My first post
I’ve been lurking around here since the preseason and I finally decided to post today. Here are my 2 cents
How can some of you say Big Ben had a horrible game when he only missed 10 passes? I may not have as high of a football IQ as the rest of you but Peyton threw 2 INT today and no one blinks but Ben throws a couple and he’s distracted by the off field stuff? Maybe I’m wrong but it seems to me like he’s having a pretty good year.
Imagine how great we would be if he had last years defense with this years offense. Can you say unstoppable?
I personally don’t see why there is any need to panic just yet but I do think this should be Arians last year with the Steelers. We need a better secondary and I don’t know what is the deal with Special Teams.
I know some of you are pretty panicked but I’m going to keep focusing on the positive and pray our secondary can rise to the occasion next week and beyond.
So do I
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"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
PIT 24 KC 27
Cool we all should get together a watch a game
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
yeah there are really alot of people who are steeler fans
Yikes I lived in New Hampshire for 6 months and it was insane. Patriots and Red Sox all the time.
by steeler_in_maryland on Nov 22, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I know. It sucked!
I lived in New England for 4 yrs, my ex husband was/is a Patriots and Red Sox fanatic and I have friends who actually think Belicheat is hot. Ewwwww my skin is crawling just thinking about it.
Absurd
It’s nuts to think this team isn’t good enough to contend for a championship.
The bulk of this team has won twice in the past 4 years…..that’s great, and most everyone is there from last year.
They are losing mainly because of these stupid turnovers and crazy punt/kick returns all going back for TD’s. Sure, Arians hasn’t figured it all out yet…but they guy HAS won a super bowl…..the team is more than good enough to do it again.
What they have to do to get their act together….I don’t know! Kick. Scream. 5,000 push ups?!?!? Who knows.
All I’m saying is that they aren’t the bag of suck everyone wants to say they are.
Exactamundo!!!
Many people on here forget what last year was like. There were many times we played last year where I wasn’t sure we would score more at least 10 points. You shoulda read the board after we lost to the Colts and Giants last year.
We do need to play better, but we are not out of it. And we’re not out of it unitl we are out of it.
by StoneColdSteel on Nov 22, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
Thank You Ragnar 808!
We need to put positive vibes out to the universe. Isn’t that what Troy would do?
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that game was terrible. i dont think mike tomlin has us ready to play ball at a high level. we have too many penalties. i feel big ben is one of the best quarterbacks in the league. he has been inaccurate as of late. he is reminding me of the 06 season after we won the bowl and came back with that average mediocre season. ben looks a bit thinner than he did even at the start of the season. you hear announcers talking about ben’s weight as if he is too big. football isnt a beauty pagent. he needs to keep his weight up so he can get back to knocking players off him and slanging the ball down field for 35yd gains! we need big ben not slim ben.
why in overtime on 3rd and 2 we ran a outside run with moore, when we have two shots to ram the ball up the middle with mendenhall. it would have only took one play to get the first down. run a few more plays and kick the field goal to win and we 7-3. now 6-4. i know polamalu isn’t playing but we have to play better ball than that. in all areas!
The story of 2009 Steelers
Defense: great numbers but they can’t close the deal; They always allow the long drive for TD on the fourth quarter with a lead.
Offense: great numbers but they can’t close the deal; They always move the ball but not in RZ.
This team just doesn’t know how to close the deal, great talent all around, most balance team in the NFL. But ST, and Int, a fumble, a could have Int, or a bad play call and the other team is always given an opportunity to be close.
Why? is it coaching? is it lack of desire? is this team not hungry anymore?
I don’t know but I haven’t seen a complete game from this team this season. Why?
Quick take
1.) Poor play calling by Arians, poor adjustments by the defense. Defense looked great in the first half, but again, couldn’t hold a lead when it mattered. Without Troy, our secondary needs help, and there were no adjustments (that I saw) to help with coverage.
2.) The offensive line took two steps back today. They did not open up the running lanes, and Ben was running for his life all day long.
3.) Special teams kick coverage. 4 total kicks returned for TD’s this year? enough said.
4.) Leadership. Where is it? Hines, Ben, Farrior…someone has to step up in a game like this. They can’t keep playing down to the competition.
5.) Tomlin. He said it himself, he didn’t have his team prepared.
Hopefully playing the Ratbirds will provide some much needed motivation.
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 22, 2009 11:50 PM EST reply actions
Total First Downs 27
Average Gain per Offensive Play 6.6
Net Yards Passing 401
Net Yards Rushing 114
Red Zone Efficiency 3/5 – 60%
complete meltdown by Bruce Arians amiright?
seriously steeler nation get off the lynching of Arians. he didnt lose this game…
true to an extent…Arians didn’t call a consistently bad game (which I should have specified), but in crunch time, when it matters, he dropped the ball. That pitch play with Moore in OT, on 3rd and 2, was pathetic. That situation you need to attack the line of scrimage. A toss/sweep play starts 5 yards+ behind the line, which means, Moore needed to run at least 7 yards just to net the 2 we needed for a first down. Poor play calling.
Also, Steeler Nation is not “lynching” Arians for this game. His play calling has been criticized here for awhile now. And putting up numbers like that against the Cheifs isn’t exactly astounding…
breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.
by NoCal-SteelCity on Nov 23, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Hope on the Horizon...Somewhere
I’ve been trying to find postive outlooks on the game all day and was provided with some.
First, THE BUNGALS LOST. This is huge as we still have a chance at the division. With the Bungals soon heading to Minnesota and San Diego and our remaining games for the most part being all winnable it is looking up.
Second, Woodley seems to becoming on of late. He posted 2 sacks to day and a number of quarterback hits. He seems to always be in the backfield causing problems whether its in the running game or passing game. The only downside is our defense isn’t flying to the ball like we are used to seeing.
Third, Ziggy Hood made a few plays today. He got to the quarterback a few times and batted down a pass which is good news for an aging Defensive line. Hopefully he can continue to progress and we can get Kirshke back and get some depth again as it looks as if they tired out and we’re blown off the ball on a few occassions.
Fourth, Heath finally got involved in the game. Yes, he had a gaffe on a play but he almost posted 100 yards on the day and got a TD. It seems to have been years since I’ve seen him that involved in the game and can only pray it continues.
Season is far from over and next week we play the Ravens. What a better stage to get back on track Sunday Night Football with a bird slaying. LETS GO STEELERS!!!
I think part of me died earlier today
Seriously, losing to the Chiefs is just horrendous. Nothing else can be said about it. And the worst part is, had we won, which we should have, we would be tied again atop the division because Cincinnati did the same tank job we did. Just a sad sad day. Destroying the Ravens next week will make all the pain go away, however….
Every one is missing the point.
You cannot win football games in the NFL with a defensive line that puts no pressure on the opposing quarterback. You cannot win football games in the NFL with an offensive line that can’t block or protect the quarterback. Ben is the most sacked QB in the NFL and the running game stinks. Tomlinson inherited a good football team what happened to them.
You cannot win football games in the NFL with a defensive line that puts no pressure on the opposing quarterback.
Allow me to educate on the intricacies of the 3-4 defense we run. first off it is highly successful, with a great many teams utilizing it. 3-4 stands for 3 down lineman and 4 linebackers. A Dline for 3-4 D is different from a 4-3 Dline. In the 4-3 the D-lines job is plug running lanes and sack the QB. The 3-4 D-linemens job is to take up two lineman and still make plays. in the running game. The 4 Linebackers jobs are stop the run, coverage in the middle, and sack the QB.
You cannot win football games in the NFL with an offensive line that can’t block or protect the quarterback.
Green Bay is doing it now. We did last year. And the year before.
the running game stinks.
Mendenhall has 689 yards on 134 carries with a 5.1 yards a carry. Go enough for 11th best in yards, and 7th in ypc. Look it up for yourselve
by Steel in FL on Nov 23, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
D-Line Pressure?
I’m not following what you are basing your opinion on when saying our d-line isn’t generating enough pressure. One, it isn’t there first job to put pressure on the QB. They are there to eat up blockers so our LB’s can run free to the QB or the ball. In this aspect the DL is doing there job exceptionally. Harrison has 10 sacks, Woodley has 5, Timmons with 4 i believe, Farrior has 2 and all have countless other QB hits and pressures.
Here is something else for you. Out of our teams 30 sacks the DL has 7. Pretty good numbers considering there main job isn’t the rush the passer. Kiesel has 3, Smith had 2 before he went out, and even big Casey Hampton has 2.
We aren’t losing because our DL, we are losing because we can’t protect the football and the ST gives points away like they are going out of style.
Nor are we losing because the running game stinks. It has already been commented on the Mendenhall has nearly 700 yards rushing and over 5 yards a carry. The line has blown holes up for Mendy all season, and if they haven’t he has created yards out of nothing.
Don’t know if you are up to date on the Steelers today or not but our Coach is Mike Tomlin, and he did inherit a good team. Tomlinson is an eventual HOF RB for the Chargers, who Mendenhall is currently putting to shame this season.
what needs to be done
Special teams need to shore up and stop allowing touchdowns, Defense needs to close the deal and not allow points in the 4th quarter, the offense can’t turn the ball over, and Bruce Arians need to call more running plays and stay away from the empty back set formations that consistently fails and get Big Ben harrassed far too many times without the threat of a run and no extra blocker in case there’s a free blitzer
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