The Lawrence Timmons Situation
In the wake of an ugly loss, there inevitably will be a bunch of crazies calling for lineup changes, coach firings, and other various and sundry personnel moves. One idea that is not so crazy is reducing Lawrence Timmons' field time. Not because Timmons is so poor that he should not start on an NFL team (he is starting material), but because his backup is better.
LT looked like the real LT (the one named Taylor) for one play, the sack/strip of Matt Cassel. That was a great individual effort and I don't want to detract from that. But one play does not a game make. In fact, on two bigger plays, LT was out of position and flat footed. On the tying TD late in the game, LT, along with his partner in crime James Farrior, bit hard on the play action and were beat for a TD. Granted, the play was Farrior's to make and it would have been asking a little much of LT to make a play on the ball. However, if LT reads the play correctly, he does possess the physical attributes to make a stop there. Instead, he bit on the fake and let the ref pick him.
On the Chris "Enter the 36" Chambers catch and run to seal the game, you will see Timmons creep up to the line of scrimmage as Cassel drops back to pass. Why? I don't think even he could tell you today. Neither RB released from the backfield and Chambers crossied the field right into Timmons' zone. Yet Timmons crept up to the line, allowing Cassel to drop a pass right where Timmons should have been. On 3rd and 6, there is no reason for a LB playing a spy or short zone to stand at the line of scrimmage. Keep the short receiver in front of you and short of the 6 yard mark, try and make a tackle. But it was not to be, and that was all she wrote.
So here's the point: of the Steelers four losses, Timmons played a majority of snaps in all of them. These losses do not fall on Timmons, at all, especially since another defensive star missed several of those games. Overall, Timmons has played satisfactory football. But K. Fox has played outstanding when given the chance. In the three games where Fox has played a majority of defensive snaps, his line looks like this: 17 tackles, 7 assists, 1 FumRec, 1 Pass Def, 1 Int, 1 TD. It seems to me that Fox is playing better in every facet except rushing the QB (although in fairness to Fox, he is sent on blitzes far less than LT).
Again, this isn't a cut LT post, or even a bench LT post. You want LT's pass rushing skills on 3rd and long. Other than that, Fox is the better ILB right now.
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How about benching Clark for being out of positioning on both big drives instead? After all, he’s a FS that should never let the play get behind him as opposed to an ILB we’re expecting to break up deep pass plays apparently. He also refuses to wrap up when he tackles, which prolonged a couple of drives yesterday. (Note: I don’t actually want to bench or limit Clark’s playing time)
Or how about Farrior sitting out in obvious passing situations for constantly getting burned by RB’s in the flat on 3rd and 4th down’s, thus keeping drives alive?
Timmons is not the problem with the defense. The absence of an All Pro safety is. Our DB’s are are, by and large, okay, but lack any other real playmakers and outside of Ike, lack a real burner.
by BluegrassSteeler on Nov 23, 2009 10:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The pass to Chambers was a four yard pass, not a deep pass
I think you’re on to something with Farrior, as well. Look, Troy being out hurts. But if one player makes that big of a difference, there are serious problems with the defense. As you alluded to, one is the ILBs in pass protection. Maybe it’s the scheme, but the ILBs are not cutting it in pass protection. This, along with the huge cornerback cushions, are the reasons why dinking and dunking has worked so well against the Steelers.
It wouldn’t be so much a benching of Timmons as a promotion of Fox. Fox has been stellar when he’s on the field. Timmons has been satisfactory, at best. Who would you start?
by CarlWeathersMustache on Nov 23, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re point is well taken (I need to go back and watch the play again honestly), but I still think Timmons is the second best LB out there this year. Harrison is obviously having another great season, despite the fact that he’s not getting as many strip sacks as last year. But then again, the man was historically good last year.
The Wood played a good game Sunday, but he’s had a number of suspiciously quiet games this year. Statistically he’s had the least impact of any of our LB’s. He’s ranked 10 on tackles, below Fox and Carter and Timmons in tackles, none of which have started all their games this year (although Fox’s stats may be a bit inflated here because of his ST tackles). He only has one more sack than Timmons does as a Steelers OLB, which is simply bizzare considering the respect OC’s have for Harrison should given Woodley more chances against RB’s and TE’s.
Farrior is still the captain of the D and certainly the emotional leader of the team, not to mention his game experience makes up for his diminishing physical skills from time to time. However, you can see age creeping up on him, especially in coverage. His speed was always what made Farrior a great player, but as it leaves him he’s forced to rely more and more on his ability to sniff out plays.
In other words, I think Timmons is hardly the problem with the D, or the linebacking corps even. Without Troy we simply don’t have a playmaker in the secondary. Our nickleback is 34 years old and obviously on his last legs, our starting corners have zero interceptions between them this season (and Ike’s hands have become an inside joke among us), and our FS is a great hitter but commonly gets tooled when his initial pop doesn’t break the guy in two.
Few of us though the McFadden loss would really affect this defense, but the lack of depth at corner and the playmaking abilities of the DB’s (minus Troy) have truly been exposed now. I mean, if we think back to last year we should realize that Timmons had as many interceptions as Ike did – one.
And finally, if a receiver slips past the LB’s after a short range pass it’s really on the safeties to bring him down. Timmons is fast, but no LB is going to catch up to a reciever like Chambers once he’s made it to the second level.
But one thing we need to recognize is that with Troy out, Harrison and Timmons are really the guys capable of making big splash plays, which the D is in desperate need of.
by BluegrassSteeler on Nov 23, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He can catch chambers.
Last year in the playoffs Timmons ran Sproles down from behind. He is fast.
by WyoFan on Nov 23, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Timmons still hurt or something else?
Completely agree with Carl here, Timmons isn’t the same guy and it is hurting the defense. Why? In the end it doesn’t matter. Fox deserves to play from what I have seen the last 4 games. Timmons looks passive on his read step and slow on most plays. the guy is an awesome athlete but something is wrong, because the guy is not slow. Not when he’s healthy.
"Franz" in NoCal
by franz on Nov 23, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Timmons is hurt or something because he isn’t the same as last yr when he was on the field. I love Farrior but I think he is showing his age. In fact, I think many of the D is like Deshea, Clark ( he still brings the wood but he’s more in love with the wood than catching the ball) and Carter who I have never liked.
by MEP12 on Nov 23, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Aaron Smith being out is the reason both Timmons and Woodley aren’t having the productive year that we all thought they would. Having the best 3-4 defensive end in the league out for the remainder of the season is a huge blow, we all know what happened to them in 2006 with Smith missing half the season and playoffs. With Smith and Troy out, you have to accept there will be a drop off.
That being said we are still a top three defense. I guarantee with Smith still in there the entire line backing core is having a better year. Also with Troy out, Timmons has to go into coverage a lot more which he was not doing last season thus not letting him get as many chances to blitz and be the disruptive line backer we all know he is.
by daburgh73 on Nov 23, 2009 3:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Timmons has had problems with both ankles this year...
I don’t know how that is not gonna affect his play a little. This was his first game back after his last ankle thing right? I am pretty happy with either of these guys in the game. Fact of the matter is that if ST were not a huge problem right now, we’d probably be 9-1 and no bitchin at all going on.
by SteelersFnRule on Nov 23, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Timmons is doing OK
The worst thing I can say about Timmons is that sometimes he’s too aggressive and over-runs the play. He’s got to learn to stay in the right areas, as all great LBs do consistently. The next couple of years will tell whether this guy was a legitimate first-rounder or not. I’m still hopeful that his great athletic skills will pull him through.
by Billy52 on Nov 23, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Farrior
I might get the shit kicked out of me for this, but here we go. I believe Timmons is more suited for Farrior’s position at ILB. Pass coverage, blitzing, and such. With the way Fox has played, instead of replacing Timmons with Fox, move Timmons into Farrior’s position, and insert Fox into where Timmons was? It is obvious to me Fox is build stop the run better than Timmons, and Farrior has not been up to par in pass coverage as of late. A Timmons/Fox duo at ILB would definitely add some needed speed at the position. Timmons can be an absolute beast IMO. I do think his high ankle sprains are causing him some quickness and agility. I really think this move is a possibility for next year.
by OHSteelerfan on Nov 24, 2009 10:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
In the abstract i agree with this. However, Farrior is still the emotional leader and the captain of the D.
Do I think that a Timmons/Fox duo would be better suited to execute the defense than Farrior/Timmons? Yes. Do I think it would cause a huge locker room stir and hurt the morale of the team? Yes.
The only thing Farrior has over Timmons at this point is experience. That counts for something, but given Farrior’s diminished play, it’s starting to count for less and less.
by BluegrassSteeler on Nov 24, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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