"That's just bad football" - The Jamaal Charles KO Return
Well, here we are with a week 11 football hangover worse than the hangover induced by post loss "sorrow drowning" I participated in last night. About last mid-week last night I was talking with a Chiefs fan and I said I would not be surprised if the Steelers gave up a KO return early. He says to me "Our ST is really bad." "Our ST coverage is worse," I retorted.
So after allowing a shockingly horrible 3 KO returns this year, what does the team do? We drop one player and activate a PS guy. Small moves will give you small results. It's about time we try making a big move for big results on our ST coverage team. Maybe some defensive starters should be put out there to fire up some of those guys and show them the attitude it takes to make big plays. I don't know the answer, but something a bit more drastic needs to be done.
Anyway, another loss where we surrendered "free" points to an "inferior" team. Off the opening kick Jamaal Charles returns one for 97 yards and we give the Chiefs an instant 7 point spot. We spent a good portion of the first half fighting out of a hole. That is just bad football. The thing that is particularly bad about this return is how many missed tackles there were. Every guy out there, it seemed, missed a tackle and therefore shared the blame. Let's take a look at some screen caps of the Charles' return.
Charles catches the ball at the 3 and here we go!
By design or not, I am not sure, Charles sweeps across the field. This is not a big deal if our ST holds their lanes, notice Logan is doing just that on the left side of the screen cap. Two Steelers(hard two catch numbers since they were sprinting so fast) have a huge gap down the middle and a clear shot on Charles. Good ST players and teams make the stop here and end the return before the 15. However, our two players continue running at where Charles was and not where he is going. They blast by him and miss out on even having a chance to tackle here. Oops.
Here, Charles gets a great block and hits the hole very fast. Logan is peeling off his block very well here and probably should have just tripped Charles with a foot (legal or not, who cares). Please notice the space I have labeled "WTF?" Charles see daylight, Charles happy.
You have to just laugh at this one. The pointed out player holds his lane and is waiting there for Charles to arrive. He gets one of the most dominant two hand taps I have seen in the history of two-hand-touch football history. He absolutely demolishes Charles with a two-hand touch so rough I thought he was going to get a personal foul. In all seriousness, I cannot describe how bad this play was, nor can you see it in a screen cap. Go back and watch the highlight video of the game. This dude absolutely misses on a very weak cutback by Charles. *Note* Logan is recovering from his block.
You are now boarding flight 6-4, a non-stop flight to fail. Andre Frazier displays a wonderful slip 'n' slide form he must have been doing the previous day at the team BBQ. He gets a full hand on Charles. Dude, grab something! Jersey, arm, leg, ball, facemask, pride, grab some more of those BBQ spare ribs, just grab something! Furthermore, notice all 3 of the players over-pursuing to the outside of the field. What happened to holding your lane? It's pretty obvious what is going to happen, 42 is about to have a "three-for" of a block.
Logan was finally caught up to Charles who is falling down in this picture. However, he temporarily gets distracted by the over-pursuit party and decides to poke his head in. He runs right by Charles who essentially falls down and gets back up untouched. Notice the Chiefs player congratulating Frazier on his tremendous slide, or maybe he is asking if they have any leftover spare ribs from the BBQ.
As Charles stumbles Ryan Mundy makes one last "effort" at a tackle and throws a weak arm in Jamaal's path, who simply blazes through it and he is off to the races. This return is full of poor execution and too much over pursuit. Honestly, from looking at these returns I cannot tell if it is a lack of coaching or just terrible execution by the players.
It should be noted that, on Charles next 3 returns he only averaged 20.3 yards and did not really have another big one. However, I that means little to nothing when he put 6 up on the board from his initial return. What do you do now Tomlin? We can't just keep allowing this to happen if we want to contend for the playoffs. Hopefully, no one took offense to my satirically negative tone. I was just hoping that some humor tied in with the analysis would lighten up the mood after a bad loss.
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How can anyone take offense at the negative tone?
Our coverage this year has been so pathetic and unsteeler like that it demands a negative tone. There has been a consistent pattern of poor execution and that, without debate, gets pinned on ST coaching. One return with otherwise solid play can be forgiven. But our comical display of KO coverage this whole year is embarrassing. I don’t see how coach T can sweep this under the rug. He has to address it NOW and the only logical move is for him to fire the ST coach and take over those duties himself. This won’t improve unless he drops the hammer. I don’t think you want to change OC in the middle of a still promising season, but the ST coach can go away with little consequence.
Totally agree. How do you not fire the ST coach when he’s put a historically bad unit out there? This unit is costing the Steelers games and keeping other teams in games that ought to be blowouts.
by BluegrassSteeler on Nov 23, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed with everything you said. I just know there are a couple of guys on this board who fail to take a joke. So I was squashing the recoil before it developed.
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by John Stephens on Nov 23, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I had to follow the game on nfl.com gamecenter again yesterday but was able to see clip of return right away. Couldn’t believe the poor tackling and overpursuit. I couldn’t identify the guy who missed the tackle in your 4th frame. can anyone ID him? He should be absolutely ashamed of that effort. If ST is his only responsibility, he should be replaced by someone on the PS who isn’t afraid to throw himself in there.
It almost looks like 27 Joe Burnett, but I am not sure if he was active or not for the game. I watched it a dozen times over and couldn’t pick out his number.
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by John Stephens on Nov 23, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Joe Burnett is at the bottom edge of the picture
I still think its the new guy Woods
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 23, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t Woods a big guy? It looks more like a DB to me. Was either Lewis or Ratliff active?
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by John Stephens on Nov 23, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
That just what I think I could me be wrong
It might be Ratliff you just can’t tell
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 23, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I saw him out there...
But I think he was on the other side of the field. I wouldn’t rule it out though.
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by NYSteelersFan4 on Nov 23, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
If it was Ike
Why is he out there and not Clark? Each one is just as valuable, and I feel like Clark can make some heads roll and he is not afraid of contact like Ike appeared.
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-PIT 24 KC 27
by John Stephens on Nov 24, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Probably because Ike is fast and Clark is slow?
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
Do you need to be super fast on a return? At some point you are going to end up where the returner is. And if you don’t over pursue it shouldn’t matter how fast you are. I feel like its more important to be a good tackler, granted I wouldn’t put a Casey Hampton out there, but you get the idea.
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-PIT 24 KC 27
by John Stephens on Nov 24, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Do you really want me to point out the several whiffed tackles that ryan clark made this last game?
He made more than Ike.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
Because he's trying to kill everyone he hits?
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by PixburghArn on Nov 24, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Didn’t everyone miss tackles on Sunday?
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-PIT 24 KC 27
by John Stephens on Nov 24, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
If you can find me Ike Taylor blowing a tackle in coverage, I’d love to see it.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
And yes, I know that Ike has blown tackles in the past.
Ryan Clark blows tackles every game. He also lowers people’s IQ. I like Clark, but there are several legitimate reasons why Ike is on coverage and not Clark.
Now, why is Clark not on the team over, say, Ratliff?
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
Why is Ratliff on the football team? That is a better question. I don’t disagree with you though. I was more saying that Clark’s hard hitting might amp up the ST and get rid of that lethargic look they possess.
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-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27
by John Stephens on Nov 24, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Well, wouldn’t the bigger blown tackle be that one in frame 4 on the return?
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-PIT 24 KC 27
by John Stephens on Nov 24, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think he wasn't trying to tackle anyone
He was being a decoy. No wait he was posing for his football card. Wait who would pose for a football card standing flat footed?
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by PixburghArn on Nov 24, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Always throw the Heisman
That is football 101 or jackassery 101
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by John Stephens on Nov 24, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
decoy...
perhaps they should’ve sent another team of GLG20’s
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by kick him in the head on Nov 24, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ha!
Great flick. Wish Chevy and Dan did more movies together.
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Ike is definitely not perfect in coverage, but seeing who a guy tackles in-coverage is a decent observation of what they will do in ST. Clark is not the greatest tackler, period. Taylor is a very sure tackler.
Clark would be a great gunner if he had some speed. As it is I doubt he can beat blocks to put himself in a position to make a tackle, let alone make the tackle.
Still, I like the idea of putting as many starters on ST as possible. Deebo with the longsnap.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
Deebo seems like the logical answer, but could we recover from losing him to injury with Smith and Polamalu down? I don’t know.
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-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27
by John Stephens on Nov 24, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Here is a link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvUA2wz2Fhw
You can pick out the number around the 54-55 second mark in it
One of the Guys in the First Picture is Patrick BaileyThe other I think is Woods
Hopefully a ST I saw from the Bears last night is FA at the end of th eseason because I want him on our KO and Punt coverages after I saw him come off a block and in the span of a yars or two about decapatated a guy I twas impressive
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Are you kidding me?
I’d say this giving TD’s up on kickoff’s is not a problem anymore but a TREND! Trends get coaches fired! I’d have shit canned the special teams coach already. After I made him do a 1,000 4 count push ups on his fingertips!
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Ten-hut.
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-PIT 24 KC 27
by John Stephens on Nov 23, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ain't no use you goin home, Charles done got the ball and gone
Gonna knock myself a three day pass, Find coach Lig and bust his ass… Sound off 1 2 Sound Off 3 4
LOL great post
The first two down are (I believe) Stefan Logan and Patrick Bailey. Logan should not even be on kick coverage IMO.
No sorry its not Logan
Hes off to the left.
The more you analyze frames 4 and 5
you have to ask, what were Mundy and Gay doing? In frame 4 they both could have taken a direct route to the ball carrier instead of the gross over pursuit which is evident in frame 5. Did they see something not evident on film? I know it is different analyzing still frames compared to live action but it was obvious he wasn’t going to cut it outside because the unidentifiable player is in perfect position to cut off the outside. Also there isn’t any Chiefs player who looks like they have the angle to block Mundy or Gay if they crack straight down to runner. Does anybody see this differently?
I believe that was me you were having that discussion with Johnny S.
Good game you guys played against us. Your offense dominated our defense, we got some turnovers to balance that out though. Good luck in the division, we’ll try and beat those bungles and help you all out!
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LOL @ the speech bubble in the first frame
Is it me, or do our special teams defenders appear selfish? No one seems to want to be the guy to make the play
“Oh oops i overpursued, someone will get him”
Seems to me our ST is not very well motivated
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Great post Johnny
The commentary had me laughing out loud. Nobody should take offense because the special teams are that bad. I believe the two hand touch guy is Ike Taylor. He must have thought the returner was a football and therefore needed to avoid the situation at all costs. They probably didn’t teach special team tackling at Swaggin Unerversity.
Not here to rub it in
just congratulating you Johnny on a hilarious post. One of the funniest things I’ve read all season!
Ryan Succop will be the kicker for the AFC in the 2011 Pro Bowl
Johnny... I can always count on you to make me laugh!
Can’t do anything but laugh at the ST! I wonder if a poll were taken, how many people said the very same thing on the opening KO “Are you freakin’ kidding me!!!!”
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Nice one Johnny
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Love this sarcasm. :]
He gets one of the most dominant two hand taps I have seen in the history of two-hand-touch football history. He absolutely demolishes Charles with a two-hand touch so rough I thought he was going to get a personal foul.
I was at the game
and you could totally tell from the moment he started sweeping across the field that he was going to the house. I could have sworn that every Steelers player was between the home hash and the home sideline, the over pursuit was ridiculous. It’s just as simple as staying in your freaking lane and they couldn’t do it….
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by Jason Brynsvold on Nov 24, 2009 3:56 AM EST reply actions
It is kind of sad
A sweep generally makes a return worse, or it should. You are moving east/west and allowing the coverage team to get down field and tackle you further down field. Well, that is the way it should work. Our guys constantly over-pursue and end up biting hard on the sweep. Just another return in the book of suck that is our ST.
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-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27
by John Stephens on Nov 24, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
It's Jeff Reed !
Lot’s of excellent points being made. However, the most glaring point, IMHO, is being over looked. It’s Jeff Reed and I don’t mean his lack of tackling skills. I don’t have access to the raw data for the analysis so let me take a stab at a subjective analysis. Jeff’s kickoffs are by far and away TOO low! The ball is getting caught at the 5 and 10 yard line faster than any other team. This allows the kick returner ample time to get up field with the low short kicks before the Steelers can get down field. Now, with a full head of steam, not to mention the excellent look the returner gets at what’s coming his way, the returner is reaching the 20 or 25 yard line before the first steeler shows up. The late initial contact leads to a 33.4 yard average starting position and 4 kickoff returns. I would like to see what Jeff’s hang time is on the kickoff Vs. other kickers. Also what yardline is the ball being caught on because Jeff only has 1 kickoff for a touchback (probably in Denver). I am not saying other items don’t need addressed as you all described but, highest on my priority to stop the kickoff slide is get a deeper kick with more hang time. I love Jeff’s 80% and 100% average for Field goals and extra points respectively but the Chicogo game and the off field antics coupled with the low short kickoffs tell me we should not resign him. Oh yea, and he can’t tackle my little sister. NTS
While I do agree with you
That was not really relevant on this particular return. Reed got the ball down to the 3 and Charles ran a sweep. So he was running East-West while Steelers were making their way down the field. As you can see from the screen caps, initial contact could have been made before the 15.
However, his short kicks have made an impact on some of the other big returns.
Wall of Shame
-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27
by John Stephens on Nov 25, 2009 8:27 AM EST up reply actions

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