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Why are the Steelers 6-5?

OK, there's nobody in the Nation who predicted the Steelers would be 6-5 and currently third in their division at this stage.  Last year the team was two games better with the most difficult schedule in recent league history.  This year, with a significantly lesser schedule (supposedly), the team has lost three in a row for the first time in the Tomlin regime.  The beauty of the NFL. So let's see what the Nation thinks is the reason (or reasons):

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What is the main reason why the Steelers are currently struggling at 6-5?
When you win a Super Bowl, you are vulnerable to not having the same hunger, the same edge, and the difference is losing close games instead of winning them.
189 votes
When you win a Super Bowl, the teams you play, especially in a hotly-contested rivalry division, step up and play their best against you and the difference is losing close games instead of winning them.
140 votes
Injuries are a part of the game for every team, but when you lose your most valuable players on both sides of the ball, chances are you will be 6-5.
723 votes
The NFL is such a fine line, the bounces and breaks of the game are the difference between 9-2 and 6-5.
440 votes
The coaching staff has not schemed properly enough to put the players in positions to succeed.
335 votes
Other....Please explain in comments
89 votes

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regression to the mean

that’s the mathematical term for “some years you get the bounces, and some years the bounces get you…”

by acrollet on Nov 30, 2009 9:50 PM EST reply actions  

It's a combination of all of those factors.

Holy crap look at the saints right now destroying the pats. Even if we make it to the SB somehow, there’s no way we take this team down.

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by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 30, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions  

I dont believe that

Maybe not this year, but we have the ability and players to take them down. If you can just control their offense somewhat and limit them to 14 you can beat the Saints.

Any given Sunday. We've given the Bengals two Sunday's this year.

Ryan Clark aka The Hammer immediately following the game "I would give my left arm to play them again."

by svenhoek on Nov 30, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you limit their offense?

Shut down their pass? They run. All over you all day long. They’re for real and credit should be given where it is due. If they aren’t in the SB I would be very suprised

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by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 30, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hold Them To 14 Points?

Not realistic. They just dropped an easy 38 on NE without Moore or Bush. Better question is can you hold them under 30 and do you have enough firepower to win a 34-31 type game.

Sounds crazy off a three game skid, but I still think a healthy Pittsburgh team could pull it off. Remember, the Super Bowl’s on grass.

Others who could do it: Minnie, Indy. Believe it or not I still think New England could give them a much better game in a rematch.

I think they’re likely to go 16-0. Look at their remaining schedule.

Fun team to watch, great city, underrated fans who have taken a beating (to say the least) and never won it all. If it’s not our year I hope they cruise to the title.

by Steelers in XLIV on Dec 1, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I honestly believe our D last year could.

Playing at top performance we could hold Brees. No one runs on us. If we can make them one dimensional and let a healthy Troy and Deebo reak havoc you can stop them. This year, at this time, no, we could not.

Any given Sunday. We've given the Bengals two Sunday's this year.

Ryan Clark aka The Hammer immediately following the game "I would give my left arm to play them again."

by svenhoek on Dec 1, 2009 9:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

Exactly. I was thinking about the 2005 Colts too. “Unstoppable” teams have gone down before. All it takes is a couple of breaks going against you. Also, who backs up Brees? As incredibly well as he is playing, an injury there changes everything.

by MelBlunt on Dec 1, 2009 6:56 AM EST up reply actions  

EXECUTION and no mistakes

They are firing on all cylinders- the best part is the decimated secondary of theirs that is shutting down the Pats. Those guys look hungry.

by SteelersVT on Nov 30, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you. I was looking through the options, and did not see execution.

How can you blame the coaches when the execution has been horrible?

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree its a combo of all the factors but I think we can Saints

"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach

by WVPiratesfan on Nov 30, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Injuries have plagued us since Game 1 and Polamalu.

So we dont have our closers in the game and the swings go in the opposite direction.

At this point, I have no expectations for the season. I just want to see the team close out the year strong and with some level of pride. Things feel like they are falling apart on the Steelers right now, or the media is just overhyping stuff. Either way, unless we become Road Warriors again and win the SB or make it to the AFCC (still possible, I’ve just given up hope for the most part) this has been a terrible season. Hopefully one we build off of.

Any given Sunday. We've given the Bengals two Sunday's this year.

Ryan Clark aka The Hammer immediately following the game "I would give my left arm to play them again."

by svenhoek on Nov 30, 2009 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

Its not the bounces

Not the talent level, not the injuries (every team has injuries, we are not special in that regard), its not the coaches (Steelers have been in a position to win every game).

If we had won last two overtime games, this would not be an issue. In both those games, offense had three possessions needing only a FG to win. Defense had leads late the 4th Qtr to protect. No weird bounces of the ball, no horrible referee calls, nothing you would call a bad break for us or lucky break for them.

Simple fact, Steelers both times were outplayed at the most crucial time of the game. Sounds like lack of hunger and edge to me.

"More than 70 percent of putts left short do not go in."

by euwolfie on Nov 30, 2009 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

Many of our losses have come down to a few key errors and just terrible luck

Therefore, its the Madden curse. Why wasn’t that a choice in the poll? I don’t believe in curses though. But damn, if some of those tipped interceptions don’t happen, holding penalties on those returns for TD get called, etc..

by SteelersVT on Nov 30, 2009 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

WOW, what a bunch of dumbasses ..

How can people vote for the injury option since we only lost Big Ben for one game?? It is retarded to think we lost 4 other games just because of Polo anyway. Every team face injuries, we are no different. Polo is amazing, Aaron is amazing, but I dont accept that as the major reason for a mediocre year because I have seen top teams losing their big stars for a few games and still roll it many times. Im actually more amazed with only 12 people voting for the SB hangover. I think thats an easy call because this team was not ready neither hungry (with a few exceptions) from day one. I see guys being arrogant and selfish since the preseason, not to mention Bruce Durrrians and the ST dude.
How do u explain the ST return/blocking and coverage abysmal downgrade, by the loss of Polo and Ben?? Lol
IS it Polo’s absence the reason our O makes dumb moves in clutch time game after game too?? Is his absence the reason why we didnt finnish KC n Baltmore in Overtime after winning the toss both times?? Duuuuuhhh!!

by setherian on Dec 1, 2009 12:09 AM EST reply actions  

Derrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 1, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by Michael Bean on Dec 1, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions  

You can honestly tell me you don't think

troy could’ve made a game-winning impact play on D that could’ve essentially won any of our close losses? I might be a bit slow and a dummy head, but there are many reasons why things are not going well. I think it’s “an easy call” to speculate having no injures would have reflected in our record in a positive way. The possiblity of an injury free season=zilch, but to dismiss it and then call people names sorta makes you out to be a bit off yerself. Sidenote, I can appreciate what you think the problem with the team is, just think the heirarchy of what is going on is a bit different than you…and won’t call you a dummy for thinking it.

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I think we easily win Chicago, Cinci (fist time), and KC with Troy in the game. No way Chicago or Cinci make the game winning drives. And there is no way KC scores that many points.

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-PIT 24 KC 27

by John Stephens on Dec 1, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Our backups are better than some teams starters, and yet the chiefs have been demolished consistently by other teams.

If it is because Lebeau’s defense is so tailored to Polamalu than he can’t do it without him, than Lebeau needs to right the ship, because that’s an idiotic plan.

There’s no excuse for losing to the chiefs.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

And this season it really has appeared to be that way.

There is no excuse for losing to KC, just saying it may have been a different story with His Hairness.

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-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27

by John Stephens on Dec 1, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed there.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Dumbasses?

I voted injuries because I think that is a huge factor. Not the only factor, but without Polamalu we are at a huge disadvantage. He goes all out all the time and his energy is contagious, When he’s out we look like a completely different team. You don’t have to agree with me.

I didn’t vote injuries because of Ben being out.

Other than that, the players are not doing their jobs properly. ST is killing us. Reed missed field goals and missed some tackles he could have gotten. Hines Ward dropped the ball against the Bears, which is pretty rare for him. Add up all our mistakes by the other players and it’s enough for us to lose games.

I was actually more irritated by week 3 than I am today. I don’t “expect” to win any more games this year, but I certainly hope we do. This team is too unpredictable week to week.

by samliam on Dec 1, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

My vote? Overconfidence

If that would have been listed in the poll, I would have voted for it and only it. To me, that’s been the ONE glaring thing I’ve noticed this year. This team either has read too many of it’s own press clippings or fanmail, or truly believes it can “turn it on” at a moment’s notice in order to beat anyone else in the league (I believe the latter to be correct).

Why do I say this? Think about almost all of the games they have lost in this season (I’d say all of them). AT TIMES, this club has looked clearly and obviously the best team in both leagues. Examples? First half against Chicago, the first Bengal game, the defense raising Cain with Flacco at times on Sunday, etc. But what these players seem to forget, is that no NFL team is intimidated by the Great Steelers; in order for us to win, we have to play at our best for the entire 60. The offense needs to show more consistency, and the D needs to “clamp down” when we need it late in the game. In the losses, I don’t believe either item mentioned in my previous sentence showed up.

Simply put, we can’t expect teams to roll over just because we are the Great Sixburgh Steelers. It’s 2009, not 2008, 2005, 1979, 1978, 1975 or 1974.

Now fellas, get over yourselves and go kick tail.

by philbobilbo on Dec 1, 2009 2:13 AM EST reply actions  

In retrospect, how bad does letting McFadden go look now?

He signed for what we could have paid him in AZ. We could have really used him this year.

by SteelersVT on Dec 1, 2009 7:48 AM EST reply actions  

McFadden leaving looks pretty damn bad right now

You don’t let a young corner that you have developed and has shown that they are good, and just entering their prime leave in free agency. You just can’t do that in this NFL where good CBs are so scarce. And another thing, McFadden made plays on the ball and was a good tackler. Gay is getting beat like crazy and isn’t make any plays on the ball.

by datruth4life on Dec 1, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but

do you offer $8M/yr to a player that took 3 years to finally beat out Deshea (due to injury), and then in his first season as starter goes down for half the season?

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Dec 1, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Word on the street is that McFadden is not looking very solid in Arizona.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

IIRC,

the Steelers offered him about 5, but for 4-5 years. He decided to take a two year deal elsewhere so he could “showcase himself”. The FO didn’t want the short term deal.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Dec 1, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

In all fairness though

Neither side won or lost in that situation. We are missing him and he is flopping in Az.

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-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27

by John Stephens on Dec 1, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I agree. I have no doubts our secondary would be much better if we were rolling with Taylor-McFadden-Gay. I also have no doubts that McFadden would be doing better in our system.

That said, I don’t see the argument (not saying you are making it) that we should have paid him $8mil+ as being particularly valid. He is not a shutdown corner, and he is not a Byrd.

I wish I knew why Gay played solidly last year in McFadden’s absence and is now a weakness.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Troy P. makes Gay, McFadden, Ike, Clark better players

I think Troy covered up a lot of mistakes in the secondary this past year. With him not being there, some players have gotten exposed. McFadden is a perfect fit for this team’s D, but you can’t pay anybody in our secondary more than what you pay Troy, period.

They definitely need a couple of corners and a safety coming out of this next draft. Hopefully, Lewis and Burnett can show something in their second year.

by datruth4life on Dec 2, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it probable...

….that the alternating of both Gay & McFadden every other series last season significantly hid the deficiencies of both? and is feasible that the same tactic(with one of the rookies) may work again if not necessarily to the same extent.

by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Dec 1, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I buy it

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 1, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t hate it if we had someone who could rough up a receiver, and Mr. Gay has never been that guy.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody noticed McKenzie was ready???

He was released. Was anybody thinking that as he raped the Patriots.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 1, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree

This is exactly how the Pats beat us a few years back when they had no run game whatsoever. I think teams have known for years this is how you beat the Steelers D it is just extremely difficult to execute. I think part of this issue is the refs seam to have decided that olines have to be allowed to hold Harrison or the offenses wouldn’t get any yards at all how many times has anyone been called for holding Deebo this year. Officiating this year against us hasnt been so much bad calls as no calls. I don’t think i have seen one of those returns that have gone to the house not have some blatant holding or a block in the back. Steelers don’t use bad officiating as an excuse for a loss and I wont accept it as an excuse but I think the non calls have had as much effect as other teams learning a “blueprint”

by thefirst3peat on Dec 2, 2009 4:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

But last season, didn’t see many holding calls, either. Add to that the fact that Deebo is rushing the passer less frequently this season.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08355/936498-66.stm

by Varmint on Dec 2, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

The McFadden to Gay drop-off has killed us.

Every team picks on Gay as a regular part of their game plan. And Adrian Peterson makes him into his personal highlight reel with that hit. Then he misses a couple of open field tackles leading to big gains in Baltimore…

I’m really tired of watching him out there, to be honest.

How can New Orleans find corners, put them in a game, and have them play lights out against NE, and we get stick with Mr. Gay?

by MarkJoel66 on Dec 2, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

2 primary reasons

1. Special teams – 2 missed field goals against Chicago and the kick returns for touchdowns against Cincinnati at home and at Kansas City were killers in those three losses.
2. Pass defense – several things have happened to contribute to the decline in the pass defense. Here’s just a few: Troy’s knee, Timmon’s ankle problems, McFadden in AZ, Ratliff didn’t work out as a free agent acquisition, Ike has had a couple of awful games, Ryan Clark has dropped interceptions, Deshea Townsend’s play has fallen off a cliff, James Farrior is getting torched in coverage, etc. Ideally, Burnett and Lewis would be ready to contribute as Ladarius Webb has for the Ravens. But after 11 games, it looks like they’re riding pine unless somebody gets hurt.

Unfortunately, I don’t think Santa is going to be delivering a couple of Pro Bowl defensive backs down the South Side chimney. So, hopefully, the Steelers can snag a Wild Card despite their deficiencies.

by pghnorthside on Dec 1, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

Ratliff was on the team?

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Dec 1, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

All is not lost folks!

The Bengals still have to play Minnesota,San Diego & @Ny Jets!!

by Freddyd on Dec 1, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

NY will not pose a problem

At this point we are not playing for the division in any capacity. Its an all out brawl to get into the wildcard.

Any given Sunday. We've given the Bengals two Sunday's this year.

Ryan Clark aka The Hammer immediately following the game "I would give my left arm to play them again."

by svenhoek on Dec 1, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares?

The way we look, we’ll I would not be surprised to see us lose 2 out of three to the Ravens, Packers, and Dolphins.

Hell, we lost to KC… does anyone think the Raiders are a lock???

by MarkJoel66 on Dec 2, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

NO

we could lose out and i wouldn’t be surprised

we could win out and i wouldn’t be surprised

this team is tough to figure out. we’ve been in every game but found ways to lose 5 of them.

by WARDANE33 on Dec 2, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted "The coaching staff has not schemed properly enough to put the players in positions to succeed"

..but it’s more than that

They’ve been imbalanced on offense and prone to lapses in all 3 phases — key turnovers on O, soft late D ceding long drives, and ST missing key FG, giving up points and field position on punt and KO. They’ve had opportunities to win every game they’ve played, including late leads (one tie) in every loss. Conversely, every win has included some later game lapses which allowed an opponent to either hang around or make the outcome interesting. This speaks largely to preparation and focus. At this point if 6-5 doesn’t get their attention and get them motivated to play better, this team is just not deserving of the postseason
.

It’s funny that the O line was everyone’s big concern coming into this season. They’ve been a surprising strength, yet with very different results.

by chicos_pants on Dec 1, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

I voted Other

The games which we lost, we lacked fundamentals. For example, poor tackling lead to a loss in the Ravens game and the first Bengals game. Leaving coverages lead to losses against Kansas City and the Bears. The second Bengals loss was just manhandling of the Steelers.

The only game where the Steelers played textbook football was the Broncos game.

by Han on Dec 1, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

dont agree

Manhandeled us? We cout gained then and palmer did not look great..ST killed us in that game

by nycsteelerfan on Dec 2, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I chose "other" on the poll

I think it is a little of all those put together is the reason we are 6-5. Some of them we as a team can control as far as what we do on the field and our hunger and focus on what is most important and that is defending the pride of the Steeler Nation and doing as much as we can to keep the title in Steel City. The other things such as the hunger of the other teams now that we are the Champs and the ups and downs of Pro football and injuries, we can’t do very much about that. Injuries can be minimized with proper conditioning, but the nature of the game makes injuries unavoidable at times.

However, I do think if we take care of the thngs we can control, we can overcome the things we can’t and be successsful and bring home #7. The time is now Steeler Nation!

by dhamm818 on Dec 1, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

Offense and STs (I voted Other)

Those are the units that have given new life to beaten opponents (see: pick-6 in first Bengals game, 94 yard INT return against KC, and 4 KRs for TDs).

I really don’t buy into the loss of McFadden being the key to our drop in defensive productivity. He was hurt for several games last year, with no significant difference. One thing that may be making a difference (in addition to losing Aaron Smith and Troy to injury) is the different role of Timmons. With Foote gone, Timmons isn’t the 3rd down linebacker running down those passes out to the flat like last year.

But, from what I’ve seen, we’d be 8-3 without bad KR coverage or horrible turnovers by the offense in the first Cincy and KC games.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Dec 1, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

+ 1/2

I don’t know that this is our offense’s fault.

This miserable team record has been a team effort. In every game, one good stop by the Defense was all we needed — and we were unable to get.

4th and 5 in Baltimore… and we can’t stop that???

But, if I had to pick one thing, it is Special Teams (which was not on the list).

Every game we lost, until this last one, we had a gift of six points, thanks to Special Teams. And each of them was lost by 6 points or less.

Great teams over come that. Average teams don’t.

We are only slightly above average… so… there we have it 6-5.

by MarkJoel66 on Dec 2, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Why offense

Why I say offense is this:

Against Cincy in game 1, the offense dominated Cincy’s defense for 3 quarters except for one play. That play gave a beaten foe new life. Without that play, they probably give up.

Against KC, although Ben put up nearly 300 yards, his two INTs were killers. One led to a KC TD, and the other cost us at least three points, while only a stout effort by the defense saved us from giving up a TD.

The offense this year has been amazingly productive, yardage wise. But, in the games that we’ve lost, they have either given up turnovers that led to points for the opponent or have settled for FGs instead of TDs. In each case, the offense has allowed an inferior opponent to stick around, or even provided the means of encouragement for a team that was beaten down and discouraged.

Certainly, STs has been horrible. I won’t even spend more time on those issues.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Dec 2, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

multifactorial

i believe we hv multiple issues, combinating in a nearly perfect storm. the team that wins the SB plays the 2nd longest season in the NFL (the team that loses plays the longest). that, plus our “mature” defensive squad has us playing like a tired team, particularly in the 4thQ. we hv been in every game this season, but hv now lost nearly half of them, primarily n the 4thQ.

i still believe we r 1 of the most talented teams in this league, but we r performing like a middle of the pack team. i also believe, as bill parcels said, ‘u r what ur record says u r’. we don’t need to make the playoffs this season. instead, i believe, we need to take serious stock of our players, particularly on special teams, & yes, on defense as well, to evaluate & prioritize what changes need to b made to enable us to b competitively elite next season.

lets b honest, even playing the best we’ve played this season, would we really b competitive w the saints or indy? i can no longer honestly say i am confident we could b, & i don t think it serves any purpose to go into the post season, just to extend the season or b/c “anything can happen”. of course i hope 4 he best, & i hv been a steeler fan 4 over 48 yrs, so i am a steeler fan 4 life, so, skip the haterade please.

overall, i think the coaching staff is doing a fine job (xcept for ST), but we don t seem 2b able 2 stop teams from converting 3rd & sometimes even 4th & long. the offense has looked slugish & predictable too often; ST talent looks like an afterthought; virtually no one seems 2b able 2 step their game up @ crucial times in big games.

every year cannot b our year, but overall, i still think this team has a couple of SB victories in them w a little fine tuning – but this season is a bust.

by alkebulan on Dec 1, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

Other

As many have already written, there are multiple factors. I think execution is the #1 culprit with the ball bouncing against us being #2.

This season we’ve witnessed every sort of mistake possible. Tone runs a bad route, leading to a pick 6. Mendy fumbles in the red zone. Wallace drops a TD pass. Gay gets burned in the flat. Roethelisberger sacks himself out of field goal range. The coaches forget about on-side kicks. Reed misses field goals. These are fundamentals we’re goofing up. We are inconsistent. One game we look like a powerhouse passing team: the next our WRs can’t keep the ball off the turf. That’s just poor execution. These guys need practice.

Bad luck is another problem, though I’d like to think good teams can overcome it. Normally, an INT results in the loss of a drive. For us, it seems like every INT is either a pick 6 or a run-back that ends within FG range. We can’t just tip a pass, we have to tip it into the hands of our opponent. Our opponents have been able to punish us severely for every misdemeanor. Sure, the ball bounces both ways. For example, we got lucky with the Fox INT against the Vikings. But it seems to be bouncing against us far more often.

by Varmint on Dec 1, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

I had a feeling injuries was going to be the #1 vote getter.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 1, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

Everyone loves an excuse.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Even with Dennis Dixon in there

You guys should beat teams like KC and Chicago.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 1, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No game is a gimmee this year for these Steelers...

BTW, Congrats on Baltimore’s win Sunday. Nice to have so many strong teams from the same division, and the Raven’s are right up there in the Playoff picture…they deserve their props.

by TheHumbleOne on Dec 1, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Chicago was an early flop

The D was really confused without Troy in. KC came out with heart, but your right, we shouldn’t have lost.

Just one of those years.

Should we be winning? Yes of course. But the root cause of alot of our problems are missing personnel. Troy being out almost the whole year is killing us.

There are other, arguably bigger problems, but they all come back to injuries and missing key people.

Any given Sunday. We've given the Bengals two Sunday's this year.

Ryan Clark aka The Hammer immediately following the game "I would give my left arm to play them again."

by svenhoek on Dec 1, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Turnover ratio; inability to close out games; no Troy P.

I think those are the biggest 3 culprits this season. I think the turnover ratio can be corrected by reigning in Ben a little bit and getting rid of that empty backfield. I also think with Dixon playing on Sunday and not taking any sacks against the Ravens is showing that a lot of those sacks are still on Ben this year. The OL play has improved this year. The Steelers now have a running game again with Mendy. Ben needs to help the OL, the team and the D by not taking so many sacks every week.

— The inability to close out games is the fact that Ryan Clark, Willie Gay, and Ike Taylor are not playmakers on the ball and have had problems tackling this year. This makes me think that the Steelers might need to go 2 of their first 3 picks in the secondary. The fact that Troy played almost all the games last year covered up for the fact that 3/4 of the starting secondary aren’t playmakers.

— And lastly, Troy is the eraser in this D. He’s the person most responsible in our secondary for limiting big plays by tackling the breakout runners and also by making plays on the ball. Ike had a terrible game against Baltimore and Wille Gay is being exposed. I don’t know what the Steelers can do other than to play more Cover 2. I think the Steelers need to get more speed in the secondary and players who can catch the ball. Burnett and Lewis aren’t going to make it to the field this year, so I see how things are going to change. You are what you are at this point in the season and the secondary and special teams are big weaknesses on this football team.

by datruth4life on Dec 1, 2009 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

Very well said about Ben

I was surprised when I saw the stat-sheet and noticed that Dixon wasn’t sacked a single time by the Ravens D. That is an achievement. Of course, Dixon threw the ball very early instead of scanning the field for that extra second – kinda like Anti-Ben where he keeps scanning the field until someone brings him down.

by Han on Dec 1, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol Dixon was the Anti-Ben.

I gasped in amazement when he threw the ball away the first time. I was not aware the coaches taught our players how to do that.

Any given Sunday. We've given the Bengals two Sunday's this year.

Ryan Clark aka The Hammer immediately following the game "I would give my left arm to play them again."

by svenhoek on Dec 1, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Anthony Madison - 27 ST Tackles + 7 in Playoffs

Simple Really – Who can argue when results are obvious.

Down goes Troy = D Dominant to Competitive D
Out goes Madison = ST Excellent to Spotty

http://profootball.scout.com/2/895922.html

by quieteye on Dec 1, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

A. Madison just released by Colts this morning, will Steelers admit mistake & resign him now?

About 5 losses too late, but pick this guy up and give someone their walking papers already.

by datruth4life on Dec 2, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Steelers admit mistake… Welcome back Anthony.

by quieteye on Dec 3, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted (other)

They won 6 and lost 5 that’s why they are 6-5

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 1, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I voted for injuries

but im just as easily convinced bad breaks could be part of it. NFL is a good league because its a tricky league……..one team can go from the bottom in one year to the top the next (unless you’re the Lions or Browns).

However, I think the injuries are the key to the 6-5 record. Remember, most of our losses have been close games, real close. If you don’t think that Troy can make a that one impact play that we need to win the game then you are insane. How many times have we said ’TWHHT" during a live game thread? A lot, and about half of those are serious…..but still thats a lot of key plays we are missing with him out.

We haven’t really missed Smith that much because of superb back up play and Ben only missed one game but the impact of Troy cannot be underestimated. People claim that our defense is a one man show but don’t forget that our losses have been close games. The defense doesn’t revolve around Troy but he is that player that pushes them over the top…..

by shleeve on Dec 1, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

why other is the answer

while others comments about the Steelers’ problems being a combination of the choices, some of it does boil down to the defensive philosophy and lack of execution combining with the player personel within that philosophy biting us in the ass. The lack of players with ball skills (ie, ability to catch) hurts this defense. The ONLY player that can catch more than one interception every OTHER year is Troy. That’s where the injury part comes in. The philisophical choice to select football players over specific position skills such as ability to break on and intercept passes is the philosophy and player personel angle i mentioned. While I don’t really want Deion Sanders in a Steelers uniform running away from tackles, the lack of talent in the secondary from the standpoint of ball skills is having its affect. The Steelers will usually choose a corner who can support the run but doesn’t necessarilly make opposing quarterbacks pay when they throw at them when they have good coverage. That’s simply the philosophy. Some of it boils down to availability in the draft when it is our pick, but some talent has been misevaluated too. The losses boil down to this. Ike Taylor and William Gay (along with the loss of Bryant McFadden and an even older Deshea Townsend) had career years last year with something like five or six picks between them. This year they are having the type of year that is even below what their average probably is. ZERO INT’s by our corners! Our secondary is simply not making the plays they did last year. Some of that is over achieving last year but by the same token they are under achieving this year. Experienced quarterbacks will attack our “best” corner from the 30 yard line in if they can identify one on one coverage because they no the worst case scenario is an incomplete pass. Our corners won’t make them pay the ultimate price! Carson Palmer learned that early in his career as evidenced by three fade routes in a row to Chris Henry back in "05. Other top QB’s have done the same type of thing. If they can trust their eyes that Troy is not in the area then ANY pass is safe. C’mon, Catch one for us boys!

by Stoney12 on Dec 1, 2009 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

This is simply the other side of the knife...

We won a good portion of our games last year by a touchdown or less (6 of our 12 wins… 50%) and lost an even larger percentage by one score (3 out of 4 losses… 75%)

We also had an all time great defense last year. And we don’t this year.

If you live on the edge, at some point you’re going to fall. This year all five of our losses (100% if you’re keeping track at home) have been by less than one score.

If this proves anything to anybody it should prove that the difference between winning and losing in the NFL is not that great. We were damn lucky to have the defense we had last year. They don’t come around very often. Those few extra points they saved us sure came in handy last year, how are those few extra points treating us this year? I voted for “The NFL is such a fine line, the bounces and breaks of the game are the difference between 9-2 and 6-5.” and that’s why.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 1, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

I wonder if the reason we are still 6-5 in the face of a declining defense has something to do with our offense going from 22nd in the league in total yards to 9th?

Nah, forget it, probably not. Bruce Arians s-u-c-k-s.

You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"

by steelguy99 on Dec 1, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

all teams are flawed

all teams need a little luck to win
and the opponents are also trying to win (even if they don’t always look like it)

as much as we all feel like we know this team, we know everything about what happens and absorb tremendous amounts of information, we don’t know and see all. As fans, we can never have the full picture.
Add to that the season is just breaking the halfway point (including playoffs) and there is so, so much football left. If the Steelers win out, everyone will have forgotten about 6-5- as they should.

It’s hard to know who is to blame for a play or who to praise because there is so much information hidden from viewers. We see the throw and catch, we see the move. But we don’t know the exact playcall, or the responsibilities, or every moment of all the little battles that make up a play. We see a missed tackle and think a guy has performed poorly, but it could be a blown assignment, or he could have excellent reaction time and a lesser player might not have even been in a position to make a tackle. Maybe there was a sub with a player below replacement value, and good player might be shifting over to protect the weak link.

by vherub on Dec 1, 2009 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

Closing Out

You have to finish games strong and they haven’t. 4th and 5 and you give up a 30+ yard pass to one of only two guys who will get the ball.

by BetweenTheTackles on Dec 1, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

problems

it start with the offense coordinator. he is the worst play calling coach. i am surprised that Tomlin or Big Ben did not override his playcalling at time during the game. We need a good tough smart offense coordinator. Dixon played a good game. With the ball on the 45 yard line, they ran twice before forcing Dixon to throw under pressure which was intercepted. Dixon is not experience enough to be put in that situation. they should have pass to get down far enough for a game winning FG. Arian is the most stupidest coordinator. Get rid of him. Get Charlie Wies to run the offense.

by deafoghorn on Dec 1, 2009 11:16 PM EST reply actions  

nice grammar

Do you expect a real discussion with such awful grammar? Ask the question again correctly and let’s see what happens. Loser.

by trentdolby on Dec 1, 2009 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

Hey, welcome to BTSC... Great first comment, very insightful...

I’ll give you a little of our history. MaryRose is one of our very best contributors who always writes great pieces on our history and how we have gotten to where we are as a franchise today. Everyone here really enjoys everything he puts out for us, everyone. If MR’s stuff isn’t good enough for you, go back to wherever you came from. Learn to treat people who have earned it with a little respect and get to know your surroundings before you make yourself look like a total asshole. I look forward to more pearls of wisdom in the future. Loser.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 2, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks NY

For those wondering, I had an extra “are” in the title question. I have since corrected it.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Dec 2, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

You're ok

Nobody gets it right every time. The content was A-1.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 2, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps we should have a poll talking about how Maryrose is slipping these days. Is it execution? Maybe it’s time he finally gives up on that no good spellchecker of his? Or maybe it’s a fine line writing about the NFL and sometimes you win sometimes you lose.

All I know is that I fully expect MR to come out this december an give the blogging world Hell because that is situation we are all in.

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 2, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh and by the way MR, no disrespect intended, my day is always made enormously better when i see a new MR post on the board.

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 2, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Midseason slump

He’ll regroup and come out blazing. I’m not giving up yet! He can still bring his A game.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 2, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn’t walk past six spelling trophies on the way to his office…

by Varmint on Dec 2, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

he walks past no trophies :)

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 3, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Santa will have to get on that.

by Varmint on Dec 3, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

"Learn to treat people who have earned it with a little respect"

um I don’t want to jump into something that is not my business, but I think this was just a “REPLY FAIL”

Look at the post above trentdolby by deafoghorn:

problems

it start with the offense coordinator. he is the worst play calling coach. i am surprised that Tomlin or Big Ben did not override his playcalling at time during the game. We need a good tough smart offense coordinator. Dixon played a good game. With the ball on the 45 yard line, they ran twice before forcing Dixon to throw under pressure which was intercepted. Dixon is not experience enough to be put in that situation. they should have pass to get down far enough for a game winning FG. Arian is the most stupidest coordinator. Get rid of him. Get Charlie Wies to run the offense.

Maybe I’m wrong, but either way I wanted to point out how retarded this post is. I like how he says that the Steelers should have passed more in OT so they wouldn’t have had to throw the pass that was intercepted.

Also this part is great:

Arian is the most stupidest coordinator.

and this is priceless after the reading the rest of it:

Get Charlie Wies to run the offense.

I’m sayin’, this terrible losing streak is really bringing out the mongoloids. I almost liked the bengals trolls better.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Dec 2, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

and I just read his subject and now realize he was bustin on MR

and that’s why I should follow instincts and keep my mouth shut. sorry

I think MR is great BTW. Other blogs would be lucky to have him.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Dec 2, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Grammar style points mean nothing to me

I am what I put on paper and I accept that. I do feel very sorry for trentdolby. How sad to be that miserable.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Dec 2, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

besides English grammer is a bear at times

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 3, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions  

So is English grammar

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Dec 3, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

You should have said spelling

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 3, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

He should have written spelling. ;)

by Varmint on Dec 3, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

after he said it :)

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 3, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted other

The first reason may have some bearing however i think maybe the guys just can not fig as deep this year last year was the toughest schedule they new that every single game counted we couldn’t afford the losses. The level of play last year against that hard of a schedule may have just worn them down to much for this season.

Second reason I don’t think that is it the Patriots and Colts all season have been considered the teams to beat in the AFC not the Steelers I don’t think they where given enough credit for being champs to warrant that kind of attention. Besides you don’t think the Pats gave their “A” game to the Colts or Saints? The Saints dominated which is what championship teams do. As far as in the division the road to the Superbowl starts with a division title the Steelers have dominated the north division that the other teams are always going to play us at their playoff level until one of the other teams in the division can assume a long term dominance that is how it will be.

Injuries the only game i see that as an excuse for is the Ravens sure maybe with Troy in the line up we don’t lose most of those games but none besides cincy where a high enough quality opponent that we shouldn’t have been able to win.

The difference between 8-8 and 12-4 I agree is a few plays a game however the Steelers have long been a team that wins close games you tell me a Steelers game is going to be won by 3 points prior to this season the majority of the time that is going to be a Steelers win not a loss.

The coaching and scheme may be a part of it I think we need to run the ball more Ben is a great QB and his ability to extend plays in the passing game makes him vulnerable to being sacked and we can all live with that because of his successes but play action passes and limiting his exposure to those plays makes a huge difference.

I think special teams is a major reason and I think the transition in offensive schemes has the offense not gelling it isn’t that the scheme is wrong as much as a short off season has not been enough time to adapt to the new scheme the entire offense is not clicking in the new scheme yet.

by thefirst3peat on Dec 2, 2009 4:02 AM EST reply actions  

You lose because you lose....

You lose your best defensive player….
You lose your best defensive lineman…
You lose your best offensive lineman for a game and a half…and thanks to that…
You lose your QB for overtime and a game….
And you lose your best special teams coverage guy because you cut him….
And you’re wondering why you’re 6-and-5?

You may still have their uniforms, but laundry doesn’t win football games….
You need the guys who wear those uniforms…and they have to be healthy….
The margin between victory and defeat is slim in the NFL…you can’t win with laundry.

I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson

by Homer J. on Dec 2, 2009 8:28 AM EST reply actions  

+1

While there are no excuses and there are plenty of other factors most teams struggles when their best players are hurt. We’ve had Troy and Aaron Smith down much of the year. That changes our defense. Add into that Ben being out for a game (that we probably would have won with him in there) and you’ve got more losses than you’d expect if everyone were healthy as could be.

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 2, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

luck

I chose “The NFL is such a fine line”. Teams really walk the razor’s edge between winning and losing. 2008 – Deshea’s pick against the cowboys? Tone’s TD @ ravens? I won’t even mention XLIII. This year we have people making 4-5s against us, people returning picks and kickoffs and punts, our D and receivers dropping easy catches.

I definitely believe this and I’ll say we are lucky. For most teams the good and bad luck averages out in each season. The Steelers were lucky to get a bunch of good luck in one season and capitalize on it. Don’t forget:

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Dec 2, 2009 7:10 PM EST reply actions  

Injuries on D...and Special Teams.

Smith (remember ’07), Timmons (playing slow/hurt), and Troy (chaos). All three levels. 3 important cogs in the scheme. Less pressure. Less takeaways. Less scoring. Makes a great defense only good…

Special teams – killing us. And I don’t like Reed’s effort – kicks are shallow and he covers like a little girl – plus, he’s an idiot… Too bad we have no viable alternative in the short-term.

Go Steelers…!

by GB-Indy on Dec 4, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

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