Denver Broncos vs. Pittsburgh Steelers - Can The Broncos Keep This Up?
After taking a closer look at the Denver Broncos 2009 season to date, I'm becoming more and more convinced that this is a fringe playoff team at best, and nowhere near as good as their 6-1 record might indicate. Now, as Coach Dikta famously says - you are what you are. And the Denver Broncos are 6-1. So, I'm not taking any credit away from them for what they've done to start the year. I'm just very, very unconvinced that they're going to be able to sustain this type of success in the win column for the remaining 9 games of the season. Here's a few reasons why.
* First of all, let's look at their results so far.
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Week 1 - Win @ Cincinnati (12-7)
Week 2 - Win vs. Cleveland (27-6)
Week 3 - Win @ Oakland (23-3)
Week 4 - Win vs. Dallas (17-10)
Week 5 - Win vs. New England (20-17)
Week 6 - Win @ San Diego (34-23)
Week 7 - Loss @ Baltimore (7-30)
Again, you can only play the opponents on your schedule, and we all know how little style points mean, but there's a number of results in there that make me wonder how tough Denver really is. Let's start with that first game against the Bengals. In case you had forgotten, Denver won on the final play of the game on a fluke, tipped pass that fell in to Brandon Stokeley's lap with no Bengals defenders near him. He took it in for the go-ahead 87 yard score. Prior to that play, the Broncos had mustered roughly 220 yards of total offense. A great start to the Josh McDaniels era, but undeniably a very lucky win. Credit Denver's defense for harassing and confusing Carson Palmer, but let's not forget that it was his first game back in quite some time and he was clearly rusty. Palmer's improved incrementally since then.
In Week 2, the Broncos were solid. Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter rushed for 75 and 76 yards respectively and Kyle Orton found a couple big plays in the passing game to offset his otherwise ho-hum 19-of-37 performance. The anemic Browns offense - led by Brady Quinn that day - could only muster 200 total yards, while turning it over three times. You play who you play, but everybody is beating up on Cleveland this year.
Week 3, the Broncos make look JaMarcus Russell look like the awful quarterback he is, while rushing all over one of the league's absolute worst rush defenses. Bravo.
Week 4 Tony Romo gift wraps a huge turnover that gets Denver a cheap score. Then a Romo interception deep inside Denver territory kept the Broncos hanging around until their offense finally came up with some big plays and drives late in the 4th quarter. Even still, Dallas had a chance to tie it as the clock expired. The Cowboys had it at the Denver 2 after spiking it on 2nd down with time dwindling. Two incompletions - both of them thrown at Champ Bailey - and the game was over. A very nice win for the Broncos - even if it wasn't pretty. It was actually a lot like the Steelers victory over the Cowboys last year.
The Chargers victory came down to pressuring the quarterback better than San Diego and two touchdown returns by Eddie Royal on special teams. Alert to Pittsburgh - this guy's good. Denver's chances go up exponentially if Royal can be a difference maker. He wasn't last week though, so it's quite doable to keep him and check and force the Broncos' offense to do more than they were forced to do against the Chargers.
Anyway, enough looking at their schedule. They've won some games thanks to their offense, some because of stellar defensive play, and one due to outbursts on special teams. What do they truly do great though? Can they piece together random contributions like this moving forward? Perhaps, but the great teams usually have either a top flight quarterback, or some department of their team that's truly outstanding - like the Steelers defense last year. Or the New York Giants excellent running game and pass rushing front four in 2007. Or the Patriots and Colts offenses of much of this decade that have found prolonged success.
But what about Denver's top ranked defense? Some might argue that they're 'legit' contenders because this defense is for real. Well, they sure have been stout thus far. It helps to catch the Bengals before they got on the same page, followed by the Browns and Raiders, not to mention Tom Brady and the Patriots before they started clicking the following three weeks. But the Broncos had a hand in disrupting Palmer and Brady, no doubt.
Here are Denver's defensive ranks so far:
Points per Game: 13.6 (1st)
Total Yards per Game: 266.7 (1st)
3rd Down %: 33% (6th)
Interceptions: 6 (t-15th)
Fumbles Recovered: 6 (t-9th)
All very impressive. But here's what I'd say other than that defensive coordinator Mike Nolan has done a nice job putting these guys in position to succeed - they've been very, very lucky with injuries. On both sides of the ball really, but I think the effect has been particularly pronounced on defense. As far as I can tell, the exact same 11 who started on opening day have started in each and every game for the Broncos. Can their entire secondary, all of whom are 30+ years of age, hold up for an entire 16 games? Can defensive end Kenny Peterson, who has only played more than 10 games in a season twice during his six year career, hold up for the long haul? What about Ryan McBean, the former Steelers draft pick that lacked the strength to make it on our squad? Can he endure the grind of his first, full professional season?
Linebackers Mario Haggan and Andra Davis have never really been that good in this league. Serviceable? Yes, definitely. But not the kind of players they've been so far this year. The scheme matters and it's possible that this particular configuration of players and schematics has them playing at a level they're capable of sustaining. But history shows they've not been this good over the course of their respective veteran careers. The same might be said of D.J. Williams, a mainstay of the Broncos defense since 2004. Denver has had some pretty suspect defenses in that time span, and he's been a part of that. He too has been playing better than he ever has - unless you want to argue that his 2007 season was more impressive, even though the Broncos finished with the 5th worst scoring defense in the league that year. As for Elvis Dumervil, well he just looks like a player. And he has looked that way since coming in to the league out of Louisville in 2006.
I guess to me, the reality is the stars have aligned very nicely so far for Denver. It's just not very common for teams to go an entire season without losing a key player or two. Can Denver overcome that when it most likely comes? Will they have little time to overcome the loss due to that potential injury coming later in the year when there's less time to adjust? Could this Broncos defense be a little bit like the 2007 Steelers defense? Very good statistically for much of the season, only to come crumbling apart later in the year when an injury or two occurs and there's a higher premium placed on violent, physical football? Denver's sound technically on defense, and they have savvy ball hawks and sure tacklers in the secondary, but they ain't that physical a team, particularly up front. My hunch is that will get exposed more and more as the year progresses.
Here's something else that jumped out at me. Take a look at the defensive rankings of the teams they've faced this year. The first ranking is their total yards allowed per game, followed by their DVOA Ranking as measured by Football Outsiders.
Cincinnati (21st; 21st)
Cleveland (32nd; 29th)
Oakland (26th; 25th)
Dallas (22nd; 22nd)
New England (6th; 8th)
San Diego (12th; 23rd)
Baltimore (13th; 9th)
By my count, that's really just two solid defenses that they've faced. Let's all agree that Cleveland and Oakland are a joke. We should all be able to agree that San Diego is really quite suspect on that side of the ball too. Dallas is probably a little better than their current ranking - at least in the last couple of weeks they've improved. And we might also agree that the Bengals are a bit better than their ranking, while New England is not quite as good as the numbers might suggest (playing Tennessee and Tampa Bay the past two games will do that).
Anyway, Denver's offense has failed to really do all that much against the type of defenses they've played. They did have a fairly solid output against the Patriots - 424 yards and a ridiculous 27 first downs - but they nevertheless only manged to get it in the endzone twice. But against San Diego, it was mostly the defense and Eddie Royal's return abilities, not the play of the offense that helped them escape Qualcomm with a huge road win. And it was two inexcusable turnovers Tony Romo - the type he's so, so good at producing - that kept Denver in the Dallas game before their offense found its rhythm and engineered a field goal drive followed by a circus catch by Brandon Marshall that he would take to the house for the improbable, come from behind victory. A win's a win, but the Broncos had only 280 or so yards of offense leading up to the touchdown, and around 220 through almost 3 and 1/2 quarters. And then of course most recently, there was the Baltimore game this past Sunday. Kyle Orton looked horrible under pressure - he had only 152 passing yards on 37 attempts. That's terrible. The running game was bottled up as well and Denver finished the game with an anemic 200 total yards of offense, averaged just 3.4 yards per play, and converted just 3/13 on 3rd down.
Through 8 weeks, Denver's offense is:14th in total yards and 20th in points scored. Kyle Orton is a fine quarterback - gets rid of the ball fairly quickly (though sometimes too quickly for his own good), doesn't turn the ball over much. But he definitely doesn't scare me when thinking about how he might fare against the Pittsburgh Steelers improving defense. And it goes without saying that the Steelers rush defense should be able to bottle up the average run game of the Broncos. That's not to say the duo of Buckhalter and Moreno isn't a solid one - it is, and they've had some individual and collective success this year. But they're viewed unfavorably by FO's rushing the ball (18th), and they've been just average on the ground since carving up the Browns and Raiders for 186 and 215 yards in Weeks 2 and 3. The bottom line is neither are Adrian Peterson, and the Steelers did just fine slowing him down two Sundays ago.
It's just one man's opinion of course, but I think the Steelers will be able to shut down this Denver offense for the second week in a row. It's hard to make the Broncos look much worse than they did on Sunday, but credit Baltimore for playing a big role in that. While the Ravens beat up on Denver, Pittsburgh rested up and began scheming for the Broncos. Sounds like a good recipe for success if you ask me. That said, Denver will surely be eager to atone for last week's embarrassing showing, and can be counted on to put up a spirited fight in front of their rabid home crowd.
But I still think Pittsburgh has too much for the Broncos provided they tackle well in the short passing game, shore up their coverage units on special teams, and limit it to two or fewer turnovers (and in non-costly spots of the field). From there, I think Denver has to win at Washington the following week or they'll be in a potential dogfight for a playoff berth. The trump card of course is San Diego is so mystifyingly inconsistent that who knows if they'll even put pressure on Denver to win 10 games to win the division. The Chargers travel to New York to play a reeling Giants team in a game that's huge for both teams. If San Diego wins, they'll be within a game essentially of the Broncos with their second meeting of the year looming in Week 10. If the Broncos do need to get to 10 or 11 wins to make the playoffs, I don't see them holding up with the schedule they have remaining.
If you add up the success they've had so far in close games (it tends to balance out), combined with how fortunate they've been injury wise, combined with not having a quarterback that can really carry a team on his back when the going gets tough - all of it makes me skeptical of this 2009 Denver Broncos team. I commend them for their fine start, but I don't see them as a legitimate contender this year in the AFC, even if they were to hold on and make the playoffs in year one of the Josh McDaniels era.
Whew. Enough for now. I can't wait for this one. The Steelers first game in 15 days and their first appearance on Monday Night Football.
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Nice writeup Blitz
I agree with you on all points. I just think it’s going to be harder than expected. These boys just got there butts whooped. They want a Monday night win very very much to show the world that “they are who we thought they were!” I see the steel men taking it but in a close one.
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agreed
Despite all that I said, I think Denver’s good and well coached enough to hang tough in lots of games this year. Including this coming week, for sure.
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this is a outstading post by u and u are right on some things but i have to defend my team pitt is my senond fav team
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
Love the analysis, Blitz. The thing that worries me, though, is that this Denver team reminds me a little of last year’s Steelers team. They’re certainly not as good, but they have a young, energetic head coach whom the team has bought into, they play tough D and don’t give up big plays, they hang in games and make the opponent play 60 full minutes, and yes, they do seem to have some luck on their side. That’s a winning formula for sure. So although I’m optimistic about Monday night, I’m a little nervous. If we get off to a good start we need to do something that we’ve struggled with all season so far: put them away. Otherwise, Denver has shown they can beat good teams in tight games. Just like we did last year…
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Nov 4, 2009 7:45 AM EST reply actions
i see no resemblence from last yrs steelers to this yrs denver cuzzz the brocos are good this year yes but they are not last years superbowl steelers just becausw=e youwin lalot like another team doesn’t mean thta you are champions like the steelers
"That’s been our story all year. We’ve got a team that doesn’t blink in the face of adversity. It’s never going to be pretty or perfect, if you will, but they’ve got a great deal of belief in one another. They’ve got a great deal of resolve, and it was put on display. Our defense gets a lot of recognition for what they’re capable of, and rightfully so, but what you saw from our quarterback and our offense at the end of that football game is what they’ve provided for us all year. When we’ve needed it the most, they’ve done it and done it big. That’s a rerun for us."
Mike Tomlin, before superbowl 43
by steelcity7612 on Nov 5, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry but
If Flacco and the birds can do what they did against the Broncos D in the second half, Rothlisberger and Co. should have a field day against the Bronco’s D. Their D is stout but swiss cheesy. We will have a good opportunity at least once every four downs against their D. We just gotta produce. Orton has been playing on his ‘trade high’ but barely (As Cutler has) but that came to an end last weekend and the Stillers can prove that again. The Bronco’s have been nothing better than a paper mach e team, certainly a first half team. Playing in there house is our biggest issue. I haven’t been afraid of Denver this entire season, especially since the trade. Orton is no better than a Tim Couch or a David Carr (Jay Cutler). All we gotta do is bring our A game. S’all’s we gotta do.
My question is who do you root for, Birdies or Bungles? I think I’m going to skip, see the outcome and be happy one way or the other.
Drew Scott
cant compare
didnt flacco have a field day against minny defense? We didnt..
by nycsteelerfan on Nov 5, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Special Teams Ace Anthony Madison Returing to Steelers?
Cleveland cut him yesterday, and if he makes it through waivers, I think it would be wise if Tomlin & company picked him up. Bye-Bye Keiwan Ratliff.
On to the game. One thing I’ve noticed about Denver is that they have to blitz to get pressure. They can’t do it with just their front four. So the key on O is to block it up and make them pay.
On D, they need to shut down the run and make Orton beat them, and not with the dink and dunk game that they want to play. Denver doesn’t want to get down the field, they want to throw those slants, hitches and across the field throws, let the WRs make someone miss and get a lot of YAC. Stop it and make Orton make some throws.
On special teams, Royal is scary because our tackling has looked very bad this past two games. If the Steelers pick up A. Madison and/or activate D. Woods, that would show me that they are serious about getting this turned around. I just think the current personnel that they have out there now just isn’t good enough. It’s not a SCHEME thing. Put players out there who WANT to make the tackle. Having LB A. Frazier back should help, but A. Madison is better than Ratliff and D. Woods is better than A. Harrison.
Expect to see the debut of DE Sunny Harris on the Steelers D. The Steelers could end up being very fortunate to get back A. Madison (if they resign him) and Sunny Harris after cutting them in September. They both could end up playing key roles down the stretch.
I disagree
Sorry, blitz, but I have to disagree. The Broncos schedule has been much tougher than the Steelers, but they sit at 6-1 and we sit at 5-2. The wins over Cincinnati, Dallas, and especially New England are legit. In contrast, the Steelers have one legitimate win, Minnesota, Yes, they did play poorly in Baltimore, but Baltimore is a very good team that was playing with desperation at home.
If you were to turn this analysis around, we could say the Steelers aren’t very good either. They could have lost to Tennessee if Bironas doesn’t miss two field goals. The team collapsed late against Chicago, Cincy, and San Diego. They barely beat two terrible teams in Detroit and Cleveland. And only won in Minnesota because of two late defensive touchdowns.
Denver is a well coached football team and is led by a guy from New England, who always seemed to have a good offensive game plan to counteract the Steelers defense. IMO, Denver is being taken lightly because of the its poor preseason reputation.
Factor in that Denver is a tough place to play, and I think this one will come down to the wire.
by Steezbro2 on Nov 4, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Now why you gotta be like that. Man :(
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Nov 4, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
You can call the Cincinnati win a “legit” one, but I’m not going to. A win is a win, but when it takes a play like that to do it, it takes a lot away from it, at least for me.
I’m still not sold on Dallas being a good team. Who have they beat? Tampa, Carolina, KC, Atlanta, and Seattle. Only one of those is kind of impressive, and that is Atlanta, but that game was at home. I don’t count Dallas as a legit win.
I agree with you though, the Broncos are a very good team. You don’t get to 6-1 by being an average team. Average teams falter and surrender losses when they should win.
This will definitely be a very close hard fought game. I think it will come down to who wins the 4th.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Nov 4, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Johnny,
Thanks for coming over to MHR and fielding some questions, we always enjoy that type of interactions.
But I must ask if you saw the Bengals game or just read about it…….
We held them to one score in the last single minute of the game, and that Fluke play is irrelevant IF (and yes I will play the IF game for 2 seconds) Orton doesn’t take that sack. If Orton throws the ball away we kick a field goal to make the score 10-0.
thats not how it played out, so thats not what happened. And really….Dallas isn’t a Legit Win?
I mean Dallas is by no means the powerhouse they were in the 90’s….but….they certianly are not a garbage team like Jokeland. and I do appreciate the props and I Agree that this game comes down to the 4th.
GOOD LUCK!!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
By that argument, the Bengals held you to 6 points, excluding the fluke TD. That does not speak loads for your offense, but sure 7 for your D is nice. I stand by not being impressed by that win.
Let me rephrase, the Dallas win is not an impressive win, how about that? My perception of Dallas is that they are a below average team. I think they will be fully exposed by Philly this week. Maybe I’m wrong though, I just don’t see it. When has Tony Romo ever been impressive in a game that mattered?
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Nov 4, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I can handle that.
I’ve never been a big fan of Romo, and not just because he plays for another team.
and Philly….I don’t even know what to say about them….beaten by jokeland, but then come back to manhandle the giants……what a wierd year for them.
Also, I have to agree with your point that our offense does have TONS of room to improve. we are not anywhere near the run and gun team of last year, but I think that from last year you could mostly say
(and this is my own rating system out of 10)
2008-Denver team
Offense ranking….7.5
Def. ranking……3
2009-Denver team (so far)
Off. Ranking….6.5
Def. Ranking 8
not sure you care, or that it matters but our team is LOADS better than most of the last 9 years, and certainly it will be a shock if they DON"T go to the playoffs. Of course we can thank our D and San Diego for that. But on the other hand, I’d rather have a QB that is CAPABLE of getting the job done than a QB who gives the game away whenever he gets flustered.
I look forward to a great game monday night, and I will be shocked if it does not come down to the 4th as you predicted.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve said you are a good team. No doubt there. Your defensive ranks speak for themselves. Hopefully, it did not come across that I thought you were bad. I just don’t put a lot of weight on those two wins. I turned coats on the Broncos when they held on to beat New England. That was impressive. And I absolutely LOVED McD’s passion directly after the game. That was awesome. You guys got a great coach there.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Nov 4, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
The fist pumps...
…brought tears to my eyes. What a moment for a Bronco Fan!!
Vinny Gambino: "Ms. Vito, Can you tell the court what this is a picture of?"
Ms. Vito: "Ya know what it's of"
by Bronco_Fan_Tom on Nov 4, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
By no means did your comments come off any differently than you meant them
in fact I mentioned I appreciated your praise in an earlier reply. I simply like a good debate, and will debate a point I disagree with to the ends of the earth :) man….his reaction after that game was a thing of beauty, and wow what an emotional moment. I agree TOM +1
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Dammit, DenBronx...
…now you’ve got me in tears again…just remembering the moment.
Vinny Gambino: "Ms. Vito, Can you tell the court what this is a picture of?"
Ms. Vito: "Ya know what it's of"
by Bronco_Fan_Tom on Nov 4, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
lol aww tom
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
You can’t call a tough game not a legit win when a “fluke” play happened. The greatest play in NFL history was a very similar one, and I’m not going to call beating the Raiders in the playoffs illegitimate because it was decided by a fluke play.
The receiver had a chance to make a play and he did it. Good things happen to teams that work hard and fight for it.
This is going to be a tough game, against a different team than Baltimore played. I think we should win this game. Because the Steelers hold themselves to that kind of level. But Denver is good, they know how to win, and they want to win. It’s going to be good football.
But the truth to me is this game isn’t huge for either of these teams. Our important battles for making the playoffs are in our own division, and Denver can lose this game and still walk away with their division, so I don’t see either side pulling a Baltimore and winning with their backs to the wall.
True
Firstly, comparing a playoff game to a regular season game isn’t exactly the best argument. Any playoff win is legit, no matter how you win it, because it means you move on and your opponent does not.
Secondly, I’m not saying Denver is a bad team. Just that I don’t count that as a legit win. You can if you want, but I don’t.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Nov 4, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
The important thing is
How the NFL treats it, and they have it down as a win.
by Phantaskippy on Nov 5, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
That’s irrelevant, since we are not arguing wins vs. losses. We are debating the quality of a win (i.e. beating the Saints means more than beating the Bucs or dominating a team vs. barely squeaking by). And on that basis, I don’t think the Cinci win is a quality one.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Nov 5, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Although your argument about the playoff game was that the final score determined who went home and who didn’t so it’s exempt from these type of debates, well the final score determines a win or loss, and that is all that really matters in the end for each game regardless of when it is played, unless you are debating preseason.
You also were debating a “legit” win, not a Quality win. To say a win is not legitimate is very different than saying it isn’t a quality win. We had few that would fit the latter discussion last season. A whole bunch of close games decided by a fluke/big play that easily could have gone the other way.
The only argument to make on those wins being illegitimate would be the Holmes TD if you believe he didn’t get in or something like that. To say the Denver win over Cincy is illegitimate because of a tipped ball TD is ludicrous. Those plays happen, if it happens in the first quarter or the fourth it is still a legit play where a player was in position to make a play and did so. If you are going to argue that you have to throw out the Minnesotta win for Pittsburgh since we won it on a fumble return and a tipped interception.
If you want to switch topics to “Quality” wins you might want to give us a definition of a quality win. I’m assuming it doesn’t involve close wins or ones determined by a big play or a questionable call by the refs.
When was the last time we won by 20, 30, 40, or even 50 points?
I think I’ve only seen 3 20 point games in my life, maybe one 30…
The point is valid, we have grounds for a mass coronary lawsuit, at best.
Jebus dictionary.com. I didn’t know we had to break down every word to its exact definition. We don’t need to break down the definitions of words. “Legit” and “quality” meant the same thing to me in this argument. I’m not saying they didn’t deserve to win, I am saying that win is not impressive to me.
And you cannot compare the Holmes SB TD to that play. Ben was intending to throw at Holmes. Orton was not throwing at Stokley.
If you want to run through this comment with a fine tooth comb and point out any miss-used words, please do, and report back to me.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Nov 5, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Legitimate and Quality are vastly different words, it’s not nitpicking. Legit carries a very different meaning and the problem I had was with that word.
So I don’t have a problem with the argument that that win was not a quality win.
Well “legit” has become slang to mean good. So I use the term more loosely than you do. Like when people today say “That’s legit”, it has a very different meaning than what a dictionary describes it as.
Sorry for the confusion.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Nov 6, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Steelzbro...you are correct
…except for the “wire” part. Great analysis of both teams’ seasons to date, and absolutely accurate. I do expect a Bronco rout, and I am pleasantly surprised that there is at least one realistic Steelers fan.
Weel done, my friend…I’m gonna give you the win against Cincy the following week.
Vinny Gambino: "Ms. Vito, Can you tell the court what this is a picture of?"
Ms. Vito: "Ya know what it's of"
by Bronco_Fan_Tom on Nov 4, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
tougher schedule? let’s see
vikings > patriots
bengals (chumps) = bengals (chumps)
browns = browns
chargers = chargers
titans > raiders
bears ? cowboys
lions < ravens
we have had a very similar schedule, difficulty wise i’d say they are about equal. Granted we have had a detrimental injury with the loss of polamalu but that is over now. Then you look at the games we have loss and won, and we have dominated every single one of them for most of the game except the first one in Tennessee. we have never been dominated and only loss to Chicago and Cincinnati because of many dropped passes and missed field goals. All of this is without the best defensive player in the league too. look at denver’s wins and they have squeaked by the patriots, cowboys, bengals, and chargers (-2 special team plays). Then you factor in the Baltimore beatdown they received and I mean its not that denver is not a good team but they still haven’t PROVEN that they are elite. We have the benefit of reigning superbowl champs so you can’t really argue with the ring, we have been there and done that. Also in our games, even the ones where we lost, we had control of the game but gave it away and that has happened in a time where we were lacking a key ingredient to our success. That still isnt much of an excuse to it but i think its safe to say that we will no longer be doing that anymore after our last performance in a similar situation vs an great team in the Vikings. We had control of that game too and it became hairy but in the crunch it was never us trying to take the lead, but instead us protecting the lead which we did.
As for the game sunday i am worried that we are going to once again dominate but then let them hang around till the 4th like they have been doing all year and collapse and let them squeak in another W. But a big difference that we have now that we didn’t in those losses where we gave away leads, is TP, so i expect a pretty handy win, i’d say 10 point victory.
by Bleed-Black&Gold on Nov 4, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree..
True, they did beat good teams! BUT, its not who you play, but when you play them! Special teams play won them the game at sandiego…2 returns on special teams..We lost our 2 games, because of special teams…Fake punt in cincy and 2 missed FGs by skippy in chicago..true borones missed a fg..BUT every teams wins games they shouldnt and lose games they shouldnt! Dint denver beat cincy on a freak play? they were beaten that day! Brady missed open receivers that now, he wouldnt! Do you think the bronc would win a rematch with the pats?
by nycsteelerfan on Nov 5, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
also
do you thinks the jets are better than the Pats???? Remember, its not who you play, but when you play them!
by nycsteelerfan on Nov 5, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Rematch
Would you win a rematch with the Vikings?
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
Better than 50% of the time.
I’d say we’d win 3/4 against that team. Allen is overrated, our O-Line seemed to be able to contain their tackles, and their pass defense is atrocious.
On the defensive side, we stop the run better than anyone in football, and have held that facet consistently for about a decade. They were healthy, we were borderline, and we came out on top. I think that happens more often or not, especially in Pittsburgh. On the turf, their receivers have a speed advantage so maybe in Minnie its a 60/40.
Guns don't kill people. Lamar Woodley kills people. (mattyc_77 on twitter)
Allen overrated?
Man I dunno about that. We stopped him for a game, but I wouldn’t want to play against him anymore than that.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Nov 5, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Someone over on the Denver board pointed out that 7.5 of his sacks came against GB, who has a terrible offensive line. He is a good player, but the fact that Rodgers has been a crash dummy for all defenses this year does not speak loads for his numbers. I’d agree he is overrated this year, but still a good football player
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Nov 5, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
someone = me
I’m gonna cite you for plagiarism. That citation wasn’t in MLA or APA format. Unacceptable.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Sue me.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Nov 5, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Broncos Fan Here
Ladies and Gents,
No doubt, the Steelers are a good (great) team. I have a lot of respect for your organization and what it has done. But I agree with Steezbro2. I can look at your schedule and question how good you really are. But I know better. You have a very solid defense and an offense that seems to do what it needs to do when it needs to do it.
We’ve been doubted all year. I can tell you this … it’s only helped us. As will the ugly loss to the Ravens. We will definitely have to bring our A-game to beat you guys. But, no one said we would beat Dallas, or New England or or San Diego or Cinci for that matter.
When we win someone always turns around and says “Well, Romo had a bad game. Brady had a bad game” or some other nonsense.
At some point you have to look at a team and realize that they are just a good team. I’m not saying great – but a good, solid team that continues to surprise a lot of people (sans the Ravens game).
As far as the Orton Cutler comparisons. Let me say this: when we drafted Cutler I was very excited. But the guy just doesn’t have IT. Yes, he has immense physical skills – but he doesn’t possess the intangibles. In other words – he doesn’t win. Ben does. I think Orton has IT to an extent.
The MSM has a love affair with Cutler and has always made excuses for him (it’s the defense, his diabetes, he’s young – Orton is only six months older). All excuses. Orton has had more disadvantages through his career and continues to win and act as a leader. I can tell you this: we WOULD be a very mediocre team with Cutler at the helm this year (however, I wouldn’t mind having him for the Steelers game – he seems to do well against you guys – even when he is with Chicago). By the way – I was rooting hard for you guys that game. We got a first round pick riding on how well/poorly the Bears do this year.
Anyways, if we show up flat like last week – you guys will tee off on us. But, I don’t suspect that will happen again. Despite what some may think – if Denver comes to play it will be a whistle to whistle, hard-hitting, physical game.
Good luck
P.S. My brother in laws are rabid Steeler fans. Even they had to admit they were wrong about Denver this year – if that’s worth anything :-)
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
nice steezbro2
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
Solid analysis
Unless the Steelers have a sub-par game, I don’t think there’s any way that Denver wins this one. It’s tough to knock a 6-1 record, but I think last Sunday’s debacle in Baltimore shows that the Broncos definitely aren’t a top team. On the other hand, the Steelers have been compeitive in every game they’ve played so far this season, win or lose.
Good post blitz; this one should be a good one!
Good Poast
And My thoughtages:
The Broncos having the #1 defense is arguably about as legitimate as me becoming the presidente of Peru down here.
They’ve had a very nicely coordinated Schedule. And I think all of their opponents have been average at best. In fact, I’d say the Bengals are the best opponent they’ve played, but as noted they fluked on them anyway.
To me I think Denver is more of a 4-3 squad than a 6-1 but they’ve obviously put together enough plays to win games. So I can’t discredit them totally.
I have a very strong feeling that we even the score with them though. They rely on two things, a strong running game, and Kyle Orton not sucking.
Nobody runs on us. Period. Comma, Exclamation point! And Kyle Orton will suck when James Harrison is inspecting his prostate with his foot.
boy....I hope he has plastic
bags to put on his foot when he does that…..otherwise he’ll be attacking us the rest of the game with the ol’ stinky toe!!!!! OMGZORZ!!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
I'll give you the raiders and browns as being bad.
But you really think that the patriots (division leaders), chargers (second in the division behind the broncos), and cowboys (tied for the division lead with the eagles at 5-2) are weak wins? They have a combined record of 14-4 against teams that aren’t the broncos. The broncos haven’t had an easy schedule so far. Look at the colts if you want an example of a cake schedule……
Our only loss is to baltimore. Baltimore is a good team. Their three losses all came from division leaders (NE, MIN, and CIN). They are a better team than their record shows.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
I’m looking to extending our streak against Baltimore…that’s for sure.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Nov 5, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
And Kyle Orton will suck when James Harrison is inspecting his prostate with his foot.
Yessss!!!
Bring a towel to the game. Black or gold or yellow. If you don't have one buy one, If you can't buy one, dye one!!!
That will be a personal foul...
…15 yards added to the end of the play.
Vinny Gambino: "Ms. Vito, Can you tell the court what this is a picture of?"
Ms. Vito: "Ya know what it's of"
by Bronco_Fan_Tom on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
automatic...
…FIRST DOWN!!
Vinny Gambino: "Ms. Vito, Can you tell the court what this is a picture of?"
Ms. Vito: "Ya know what it's of"
by Bronco_Fan_Tom on Nov 4, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
One of the 9 first downs you'll get in the entire game.
by StoneColdSteel on Nov 4, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
As long as that generates...
…four touchdowns and a field goal, I’m fine with that. We will hold you to 10 points offensively…and a garbage score late.
Thus:
BRONCOS: 31
STEELERS: 17
Vinny Gambino: "Ms. Vito, Can you tell the court what this is a picture of?"
Ms. Vito: "Ya know what it's of"
by Bronco_Fan_Tom on Nov 4, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry. The dink and dunk broncos aren't scoring 31 on this D
The only way they win this game is with the Broncos D forcing some fumbles from our running backs and forcing Big Ben into a mistake(s) giving you a short field.
As well as some Eddie Royal special teams heroics.
When you give a mediocre qb time
they can thrive. Orton has only 1 int, only 1 fumble and only been sacked 11 times.
It also helps that Marshall is the greatest receiver by far he has ever thrown to.
It will be interesting to see how Polumbus fairs for an entire game with Harris out.
and who said he was going to be getting any time???
by Bleed-Black&Gold on Nov 4, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Kirschke could be out 3 to 6 weeks
He said today that he has a tear in his calf and that such an injury typically takes 3 to 6 weeks to heal. Ouch! Get ready for the Nick Eason and Sunny Harris show, folks.
http://blog.triblive.com/view-from-the-press-box/2009/11/04/kirschke-not-likely-to-play-in-denver/
Hopefully some Zig Zag's
I’m really gonna be pissed if Hood doesnt get at least 40% of the snaps on defense. Its time to get the kid in the game. Duty calls.
I dont recall Brian St. Pierre starting at QB when Maddox went down, or Verron Haynes when Bettis and Duce dropped (pun intended). No, we go with the young blood. And it works.
Hmmm...
I wonder how well your Steelers would stand up against that sort of analysis… our two teams have three opponents in common (Cincy, Cleveland and San Diego), with the Broncos looking better every time. I’ll also take our blowout at Oakland over your OT escape at home over Tennessee and home wins over New England and Dallas over wins against Minnesota and… at Detroit? And despite our schedule matching up favorably at every step, we’re 6-1 to your 5-2…
Look, you guys are a great team and you probably deserve to be favored, but don’t take this sort of analysis to mean as much as it may seem to. Let’s hope for a healthy game and may the best team win!
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
lol its so amazing how optimistic you guys are after being pummeled by the rat birds.
by Bleed-Black&Gold on Nov 4, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
6-1 will do that to you…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
see what i mean
yall were pretty optimistic for that beatdown, when was the last time yall scored an offensive touchdown??
by Bleed-Black&Gold on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
This Reminds of San Diego Blather before that game.
The article and subsequent comments are eerily similar to those written prior to the Denver San Diego game.
1.San Diego had a bye week to prep for Denver
2.Denver had a soft early schedule
3.Orton is an average quarterback at best.
4. Denver’s D should give up huge points to Rivers & crew.
5. Denver has been lucky thus far.
6. Favorable Schedule timing.
7. etc., etc., etc.
Steezbro2 is the most realistic of the posters so far. Blitz has looked at selected variables from a specific vantage point, and viola, he sees what he wants to see. Anyone can do that to skew the real picture.
The reality is exactly as presented by Steezbro2, the Steelers have played 1 “real” team in the Vikings.
They BARELY outlasted the HORRIBLE Titans…AT HOME. Then lost to the Bears?
Lost to the Bengals? Guess there was no miracle at the end? Thats right, saving those for Minnisota.
Then beat SD, Detroit, and Cleveland.
That makes 1 road win out of 3. Detroit, enough said.
Look at the record of each team the Steelers and Broncos played at the time they played them.
Steelers played 3 teams of .500 or better
Broncos played 5 teams of .500 or better
MOST IMPORTANT FACT OF ALL
The Steelers are a continuation of last year’s system, they should be better than last year, they should be better than Denver, and they should beat Denver.
The Broncos are in REBUILDING MODE. They should be 2-5 or at best 3-4. An thats the way the league continues to view them, which is alright by me.
Just keep downplaying what they have accomplished, and hope the Stillers don’t get added to Denver’s list of over accomplishments on National T.V…….. like San Diego did.
Play Hard-Play Clean-Never Give Up
Blitz is good. He’s talking about what he thinks, and he’s right more than not. But he is wrong a lot.
As for the Steelers, we are all a little surprised to see the team struggle at all this season. That win against the Vikings was so much like last year that many are quite willing to say; “OK, the Steelers are back to normal,” and ignore the season up to Minnesota.
Maybe that’s the case, I hope it is. I’m sure Denver fans are hoping that somehow everything has come together for Denver and this winning is just a sign of how good the team is. Most people are skeptical of a team that suddenly looks a lot better than they were after losing a big name QB and overturning a ton of their roster and being led by a new and unproven coach.
The typical storyline is a team like Denver starts hot then gets knocked back down to Earth when they face the Ravens and Steelers. Many of us expect that, and if it happens that way I won’t be shocked. But Denver looks good, and a new coach that gets guys to buy in and play hard for each other is going to greatly improve a team.
Denver might be a legitimate contender. Pittsburgh might not be one this year. This game will go a long way toward resolving that issue. Until recently many of us were writing this game off as a probable loss. Then we beat the Vikes and the Ravens beat Denver. Now we’re trying to figure out how the AFC stacks up. But for the record Blitz has been skeptical of the Broncos the whole season, this week is a logical time for a post explaining it.
Broncos quick starts usually equal faster fades
I pulled numbers for the past ten years because based on my memory I seem to recall that Denver perennially start their seasons fast. The numbers I found support that. In 7 of the past 10 seasons (including this one) the Broncos came out of the gate quickly with records of 4-1 or better in every one of those years. Here are the numbers.
In 2009 they started 6-0 and are currently 6-1 riding a one game losing streak.
In 2008 they started 4-1 and finished 4-7 to close the season 8-8 and miss the playoffs
In 2006 they started 5-1 and finished 4-6 to close the season 9-7 and miss the playoffs
In 2005 they started 5-1 and finished 8-2 to close the season 13-3. They were 1-1 in the POs.
In 2004 they started 5-1 and finished 5-5 to close the season 10-6. They were 0-1 in the POs.
In 2003 they started 5-1and finished 5-5 to close the season 10-6. They were 0-1 in the POs.
In 2002 they started 4-1 and finished 5-6 to close the season 9-7 and miss the playoffs.
Out of all those quick starts, the Broncos only managed to make the post season three times. In 2003 and 2004 they went one and done in the POs and in 2005, despite hosting the AFC Championship game, they were destroyed by the Pittsburgh Steelers. So (not including this season) the past six years the Broncos started fast to the tune of 28-6 they struggled to the finish line by playing .500 football (31-31) with only three postseason appearances and one postseason win. That’s downright pathetic. If you exclude 2005 which is the only time they have had a winning record after starting fast their closing record dips to a dismal 23-29.
The other three seasons where they did not get off to such good starts were:
In 2007 they went 7-9 after starting 2-0 and missed the playoffs.
In 2001 they went 8-8 after starting 2-0 and missed the playoffs.
In 2000 they went 11-5 after starting 2-1 and were one and done in the playoffs.
Denver regularly starts fast. This years results are very much in line with what they’ve been doing year in and year out for the past decade. Until they prove that they can sustain their play for an entire season they have done nothing. That’s just the way it is You would think that Broncos fans would temper their enthusiasm a bit to see if this team is any different than the numerous teams before them. Until they get it done in November, December and January, when it counts the mostI don’t see this year’s edition being any different than the faltering Broncos teams of the past decade.
The jury is still out. However, there is historical precedent to back the theory of Blitz that this team will struggle down the stretch. It happens on an almost annual basis. Why wouldn’t it happen again this season. Especially when you factor in the remaining schedule.
I do think the Broncos will win their division. Why? Because KC and OAK are incapable of winning 6 games between them and SD has proven that their D is next to nonexistent. That should get the Broncos a first round home game against the likes of the Ravens or Bengals. Good luck with that Broncos.
by King Coebra on Nov 4, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
These stats were brought up after we were 3-0.
We had just beaten the bengals, browns and raiders. Weak schedule. “Watch how hard the broncos fall. They always start out fast and then fade down the stretch.”
This is a different team than we had in past years. We have a new coach, a new DC and OC. We have overhauled about 3/4 of the roster. This team is built on playing physical football. Last year, we threw the ball well in september and october, but once the cold weather set in, our passing game wasn’t as effective. Not to mention our historically terrible defense that couldn’t stop anyone. For once, we are finally good on defense, which will keep us within reach of every game and win us a lot of games as winter sets in.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
Those are the type of stats that get you fired and we all know what happened
This is a totally different team from the roster to the coaches to the character and conditioning of the players. I would be very surprised if that stat held up after this year. The Broncos are an 11 or 12 win team (thanks in part to a weak AFC west) but you can’t discount a 6-1 record with wins against the Pats, Cowboys, and Chargers. From my perspective it’s hard to discount any win in the NFL whether it’s the Broncos winning or the Steelers winning.
Not sure if you watched the Broncos/Ravens game but the Ravens looked damn good. I think they would have beat everyone in this league playing the way they did. I think the key to this game is going to be stopping the run and turnovers. Whoever wins those aspects of the game will win. Either way it should be a damn good game and I can’t wait.
Cute statfest there, King...
…but it’s garbage.
These stats have absolutely NO relevance to todays Denver Broncos. You might as well be talking about the Rockies, or the Avalanche. It’s Apples to car tires, my friend.
Vinny Gambino: "Ms. Vito, Can you tell the court what this is a picture of?"
Ms. Vito: "Ya know what it's of"
by Bronco_Fan_Tom on Nov 6, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
You’re right, the broncos today are like so totally different they are so amazing geez they are sure some hot studs right there guys.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
glad you agree
you taking the Broncos 31 to 17 too?
Good Choice…pssst, I won’t tell your frinds.
Vinny Gambino: "Ms. Vito, Can you tell the court what this is a picture of?"
Ms. Vito: "Ya know what it's of"
by Bronco_Fan_Tom on Nov 6, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
Despite your insistence to the contrary, it’s fact. Frankly, I really don’t put much stock in your opinion. After all, you were also the one claiming Orton is a better QB than Ben. And when asked to present some evidence to support your claim you were nowhere to be found.
While I admire your enthusiasm for your team, and insistence that there is no way this year’s Broncos could possibly struggle down the stretch, there is just as much chance you are wrong with regards to your wishful thinking as there is that you’re right. Of course you would never admit that.
You can HOPE that this year’s team won’t struggle. You can believe they won’t. But hope and belief are not truth and do not guarantee on field success. I tend to think your team has already peaked and is on the way down just like they do on a near annual basis.
Of course that’s my opinion. I willingly admit it’s possible I could be wrong. Why? Because it’s impossible to accurately predict what the future holds. You, on the other hand are unwilling to even admit the possibility that it could happen.
it should also be noted that tennessee wasn’t horrible at first. They have had like a million injuries, including their top 2 cornerbacks and like 3-4 other starters. Factor in 1st game of the season that everyone is pumped and i’d put the titans up against any team and be competitive with all of their starters healthy and pumped for a prime time game.
And i mean san diego isn’t an elite team either, yall act like they have done anything in the playoffs recently, and they have had their share of injuries.
i understand you backing up your team, but realistically you guys aren’t an elite team. You guys are good and find ways to win but you guys are playing your best football now. We are just getting better and better every week and i mean who knows yall might win against us if we cough up the ball and give up some big special team plays.
by Bleed-Black&Gold on Nov 4, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Bronco/Pittsburgh Monday night football game
Compare who Pittsburgh has played vs Denver has played so far this year…
Pittsburgh (Opposing Team Rank)
TEN 10 @ PIT 13 W 26th
PIT 14 @ CHI 17 L 17th
PIT 20 @ CIN 23 L 6th
SD 28 @ PIT 38 W 16th
PIT 28 @ DET 20 W 29th
CLE 14 @ PIT 27 W 31st
MIN 17 @ PIT 27 W 3rd
BYE
Average Team Rank – 18.28
(Last Years Super Bowl Winner)
Denver (Opposing Team Rank)
DEN 12 @ CIN 7 W 6th
CLE 6 @ DEN 27 W 31st
DEN 23 @ OAK 3 W 27th
DAL 10 @ DEN 17 W 8th
NE 17 @ DEN 20 W 5th
DEN 34 @ SD 23 W 16th
BYE
DEN 7 @ BAL 30 L 10th
Average Team Rank – 14.71
(Last years team that shot themselves in the foot)
Denver has the harder schedule to date and the remainder of the season comming up. One would think that a super bowl team from the year before with the experince of playing together all last season would certainly play better than a team with all new coaches, and a lot of new players that just started playing together this season. I think that the Steelers are in for a surprise Monday!
by MileHighFootballFan on Nov 5, 2009 2:56 AM EST reply actions
I submit to the jury
If the season were to end today Denver would be the #2 seed and have a first round bye in the playoffs. As I already pointed out in my above post, which Broncos fans seem to have conveniently bypassed, the Broncos perennially start the season strong and perennially fade just as quickly. Explain that, and explain to me why this season will be any different.
Postseason berths are not awarded before the midway point of the season is even completed. If they were, the Broncos would have been in the playoffs nearly every single season over the past decade. In truth, despite all of these amazing starts, the Broncos have only qualified for the POs 4 times during that stretch and have a dismal 1-4 postseason record.
Comparing schedules midway through the season is ludicrous. You have to wait for the entire season to be played before accurately determining how weak or strong a team’s schedule is. Your own team’s recurring second half failures serve as a compelling example of why that is so.
Is it possible the Broncos will win this Monday night? Absolutely. Is it possible Denver finishes the season just as strong as they started it? Certainly. But until they do so, there will be many that doubt that what they have done thus far in the season is legitimate. Why? Because the Broncos regularly flounder down the stretch. Only ONCE since 2000 has your football team finished the stretch run with a winning record. That was in 2005.
Here are the records the Broncos have finished up with after their annual quick starts.
2009 0-1and counting
2008 4-7
2007 5-9
2006 4-6
2005 8-3
2004 5-6
2003 5-6
2002 5-6
2001 6-8
Those numbers are pretty compelling evidence why most outside of the Denver fan base still have significant questions about the Broncos team. Is there any question why many doubt whether Denver is legitimate? There shouldn’t be. Your team has earned their right to be questioned because year in and year out they have consistently proven their inability to get it done when it counts the most.
Win Monday night, finish the season just as strong as you started it and do something in the postseason before proclaiming the Broncos are legitimate. Why? Because recent history has proven to the NFL fan base that WAY more often than not a Broncos fast start means next to nothing. It’s not how you start but how you finish that matters. Evidently a decade of futility has blinded this Broncos fan base from that cold, harsh reality.
The prosecution rests your honor.
By comparison
Here are the stretch run numbers that the Steelers have compiled since 2004 when Ben took over as the Steelers starting QB.
In 2004 they finished 15-1 after starting the season 1-1. They were 1-1 in the playoffs.
In 2005 they finished 8-0after starting 7-5. They were 4-0 in the playoffs.
In 2006 they finished 6-2 after starting the season 2-6. They did not qualify for the playoffs.
In 2007 they finished 1-4 after starting the season 9-3. They were 0-1 in the playoffs.
In 2008 they finished 9-1after starting the season 6-3. They were 3-0 in the playoffs.
So the Steelers apparently have a different philosophy than Denver in that they prefer to peak later in the season as opposed to earlier.
Early season record over that span: 25-18
Stretch run record over that span: 39-8 (Exclude 2007 and that number becomes 38-4)
Playoff record: 8-2
I guess this explains why the Steeler fan base isn’t overly concerned with the “abysmal” 5-2 start (especially since they are 3-0 after starting the season 1-2). Pittsburgh fans have grown accustomed to watching their team peak when it counts the most. Why? Recent history has shown the Steeler fan base that unlike the Denver Broncos, whose best football is most likely already behind them this season, the Steelers tend to excel and play their best football during the stretch run.
Sport writers have become the amateurs unfortunetely in today news
Case in point….all of them talk about the miracle catch Denver had in Cincinnati game. Fluke no doubt but why no mention of a team that would have clinched a tough fought game had not Orton simply grounded a pass instead of talking a sack. How does this seem to slip by all these non news worthy sports writers today. To me sports writers have earned themselves simply commentations on games that are already played. They can;t seem to predict a damn thing this year. They simply take their favorite teams and put them up on pedestals forgetting they are supposed to inform all of us about things without judging due to favortism. Yup we have finally now reached a point where sports writers have become a non factor, a waste of potential good reading, a travesty of what sports reporting is supposed to be today. Most have never held a ball in their hands except thier own nuts. I say ban them all…stop reading their BS and watch the games and ejnjoy them without input from such amateurs.
I don't know exactly where this came from...
…or why you felt the need to put it in the middle of this thread, but I can’t say that I disagree with you. The state of the industry is pathetic due to the fact that networks can burden us with brain-dead announcers, stupid-looking dancing robots, and other pointless drivel. Unfortunately, the actual product (NFL football) is so strong, that the ratings just keep going up, so there’s no negative feedback to tell the marketing yahoos that we don’t appreciate having our intelligence routinely insulted. No matter how much worthless crap they keep spewing out, we keep tuning in, and I don’t have any idea on how to stop it.
Monday Night Game
I am looking forward to entertain the steelers Monday night. This is a new year, a new coaching staff, and a whole new group of players. You can’t compare this team with last years, or in the years past. Lets just see what happens Monday night and enjoy the game.
by MileHighFootballFan on Nov 5, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions
Denver's Past Record
Guys, you are comparing apples to oranges when comparing the Broncos’ finishes over the last 10 years. Shanahan was the coach then, he isn’t now. Denver didn’t have Nolan as the DC, he is now. Denver, under Shanahan didn’t have the “team” attitude, they do now. Denver’s coach then (Shanahan) had been left behind as far as his stratagies were concerned. A new coach with a more modern concept has taken the reins. Denver loses one game to a team that was better prepared and had more fire in their belly and the Broncos are just a medicore team that has been lucky. Ok, so be it.
On the other hand, let’s look at it like this. Denver loses to the Steelers and the Colts and that’s the end of the really “good/bad” games they have left. They win over the bottom feeders plus KC and Oakland. They win at home vs the Chargers. They finish the season at 13-3. This makes as much sense as any other scenario I’ve seen so far. If they don’t get the #1 seed in the Playoffs, so much for that. Does it really make that much difference? How many teams lose after a week off? What happens to their momentum?
Anyone can ask all the questions they want but the correct answers are only realized after the game has been played and the final score is entered into the record.
As to the “fluke” vs the Bengals. Everyone on these boards knows perfectly well that ALL the teams spend considerable time on tip drills, including the Steelers. What matters is what the players themselves do with that practice when playing the game. In the case of the Broncos, the player hustled down the field to block if the catch was made but ALSO to be in a position to take advantage of a tip. His hustle and field presence was rewarded, plain and simple. What blame was placed on the defenders for tipping rather than knocking the ball down? In closing, I never hear about the Steelers’ “fluke” play. Instead it entered NFL lore. Don’t see that much difference in the two plays, do you?
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artfuldoger this might be weird to say but the best thing for pitt wouild to lose on mon and beat den in the afc tittie game u best chance for a repect is a 4-5 matchup against ciny then beat indy and then ne and den will beat each other up and the winner will not have no gas left
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
You guys forgot the most important part.
The part where the Broncos choke shortly after making the playoffs and go home.
We're looking to "making" the playoffs first.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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My bad. That kentucky grammar is coming out.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
guys
this game is for the 2 seed if den win they will very likely get a 1 -round bye whiule u and ne fight for 3 if u win this then its a 3 horse race for the bye with ne likeliy getting the bye unless pitt goes 13-3
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
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go ahead and and dount us dal did ne did and sd did we are better than balt they caught us at the right time and we have 4-5 more wins in the bank even if we lose to u @wash @kc oak kc sd and nyg maybe
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
one more thing
will will most likey play 2 times this year wouild u rather win on mon on jan
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
good for the broncos
Start 6-1; hope they can keep it up. Maybe they’re strong enough to win Monday night, and maybe the new coaching staff has completely wiped away the broncos past performances since elway. Pardon me for skepticism on that point since history and statistics don’t bear that out.
But what is it that they say? Oh yeah: on any given Sunday (or Monday).
by pixburghese on Nov 5, 2009 7:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Feed the monster, baby!!!
The Broncos get fat on this type of disrespect. They frenzy…they drool…they win.
I find it hilarious that you are analyzing games that you obviously didn’t watch. Had you, you wouldn’t be regurgitating talking head drivel and mistaking it for fact.
Feed the monster. Its lurking…ready to pounce.
by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 5, 2009 11:59 PM EST reply actions
Hello, Brian Dawkins.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Nov 7, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Actually
The Broncos perenially fade down the stretch. I believe their quick starts happen because of the fact they train at altitude. Therefore they have a competitive advantage early in the season. Once the rest of the league catches up, which is generally in games 6-8, they tend to flounder down the stretch. Whether my theory is based on fact or not can certainly be argued. What cannot, though, is the way the Broncos seem to unravel year in and year out.
Ignore the history, Coach Teflon is gone
Shanahan’s teams faded because they had more finesse than a ladies badminton match.
I’ve seen good Steeler teams play less talented Bronco teams and get steamrolled. Quite frankly, the Steelers have been giving up too many easy scores (2 ko returns for TD, 2 picks for 6 and the fumble return against San Diego). The Denver team that I’ve seen, when I’ve had a chance to watch, plays a lot like Chicago did in week 2: no turnovers, few mistakes, excellent return specialist. The Broncos won’t cough up two scores like Grampa Brett did. The Steelers will have to take better care of the ball, cover better on special teams, allow fewer third down conversions and generate a more consistent running game for a full 4 quarters to earn a win.
I won’t say Denver is as good as Indy or New Orleans and maybe not even as good as Minnesota. But they’ve beaten three teams (Cincy, New England and Dallas) that are leading or tied for the division lead. They’ve got several bona fide “splash” playmakers in Marshall, Royal, Dumervil and Bailey. They have a premier left tackle. And the game is in Denver on a Monday night. I think with the possible exception of the Sunday nighter in Baltimore, this is the most difficult matchup for the remainder of the season. Steelers can win, no doubt. But not if they don’t play one hell of a game.
by pghnorthside on Nov 6, 2009 12:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree and I don't
I agree that PIT will have to play a solid game to defeat Denver. Denver tends to play us tough and winning in their stadium has never been easy for the Steelers (except for 205 of course).
On the other hand I still need to see Denver do something down the stretch before I can anoint them a legitimate threat. I understand they have new staff and new personnel, but a decade of stretch run futility is not just forgotten because of a 6-0 start. They need to continue winning to make those early season wins mean something.
Another thing that bothers me about that team was the way their head coach ran around the field celebrating and pumping his fists after the week 5 victory over New England. As much as I enjoy watching the Pats win I found McD’s lack of professionalism quite unsettling. Who celebrates an early season victory as if they just won the Super Bowl? Not any coach that I’d want leading my football team.
I’m going to have to see a lot more from the Broncos the rest of this season before I’d consider putting them anywhere near an elite level.
enjoying the conversation all
But I will say, to all the barking Denver fans who just stopped by to say I’m spewing the same ‘drivel’ that the mainstream media is saying, find me ONE sportswriter or sportscaster who has said that they don’t think Denver will make the playoffs, and I’d be beyond shocked. For that matter, find me one sports writer who’s even mentioned the fact that they’ve been remarkably fortunate injury wise this year and I’ll be stunned. My assessment of the Cincy game may be a bit shallow, but there’s not much in what I wrote that’s not original thought out assesment. Other than that, I’ve enjoyed this and can’t wait for Monday!
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
Just saying...
…your analysis is canned. If it wasn’t, you’d mention that Denver’s ‘fluky’ play to beat Cincy came after Denver self-destructed five game minutes earlier— when they were about to go up 2 scores and make Cincy’s final drive meaningless. In other words, had you watched that game, you’d know justice was served. You left out long sustained drives of 90 and 98 yards against NE. You forgot to add that Dallas didn’t cross the fifty in three quarters until their long desperation drive— most of which consisted of a fluky deflection that went for 52 yards— on 3rd and extremely long. You forgot to mention how completely dominated the Chargers were in the second half, instead putting all the glory on Eddie Royal. The second half against the Chargers was a thing of beauty.
You play the Broncos off as a bunch of fluky nobody’s lacking elite talent, despite the presence of Doom— who already has ten sacks— and probably the best secondary in football, which includes two sure fire HoF. D.J. Williams, Andra Davis and Mario Haggan are all having exceptional years, which in the case of Williams and Davis, are nothing new. On offense, the Broncos have a premier left tackle, a pro bowl center, a solid running game, and very good WR’s and TE.
So sorry when we take offense, buts it laughable to here people who marginalize a team who has beat 3 of the Top 10 teams in virtually every power poll out there.
I doubt the Steelers will be doing much marginalizing. They’ll at least watch the film for themselves.
Welcome in advance to 5,280 ft, baby.
Feeeeeed the monster.
p.s. You might ought to worry about Baltimore. It is they who are good, not Denver that’s a mirage.
by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 6, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Not dismissing your post...
As I agree with a lot of it. But to say that an exceptional year is a regular occurrence for Andra Davis is a significant stretch. While he was probably about as consistent a performer as Cleveland had on defense during his time, he was never more than a solid, (charitably) somewhat above-average linebacker.
by pghnorthside on Nov 6, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Wait...
Not a bad post, but accusing Blitz of “canned analysis” and then summarizing with this little gem seems a bit disingenuous.
So sorry when we take offense, buts it laughable to here people who marginalize a team who has beat 3 of the Top 10 teams in virtually every power poll out there.
Power polls? Really?
lol
thought the exact same thing
Freel free to email me anytime at behindthesteelcurtain@gmail.com with questions, suggestions, complaints, etc, or to just say what's up. -Michael Bean (Blitz)
I guess my point is...
…everybody wants to find every reason to discount whether Denver is legit or not, yet they ignore the fact that they’re beating all these teams that everybody seem to agree are legit.. So are Cincy or NE or Dallas any good? Or do they not belong…because if Denver is a mirage, why does that low esteem only rub off win they win? The pundits seem to want it both ways, and most of their themes re-ocurred in this post. They have offensive problems? Well, they put together crucial high pressure drives against NE, they demoralized SD with a long drive early in the second halt…. The defense isn’t that good? Well, explosive Dallas couldn’t cross the 50 for most of three quarters…couldn’t really do anything once Denver took away the screen play. It held Baltimore to 6 points in a half and hung 10 negative plays on the Ravens… The Cincy deflection get rode hard and put away wet, yet the deflection that created the suspense at the end of the Dallas game has been totally forgotten, etc, etc, etc. Its football.
From my perspective, it’d be like me accusing the Steelers of being unable to beat Chicago…so thats the sum of them. That’s who they really are. They needed Minnesota to self destruct, so they aren’t any good. The thing is, I or nobody believe that. Football is a whacked out game where good teams find ways to win. Denver has been pretty good at finding that way so far. Its good defense if Pittsburgh needs two defensive scores to beat the Vikes at home. Denver is fluky because their special teams generated huge play to beat the Bolts in their house.
My point is: keep believing that this is the Denver the pundits promised— the ones they have gleefully dissected this week. I’m pretty confident they are much better than you want to believe. I’m also a little nervous that they have to bounce back against as good a team as Pittsburgh. Whether they win or lose or not, I don’t know. But I think they’ll have some respect back after this one.
by PredominantlyOrange on Nov 6, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’d certainly be pretty shocked to see the steelers win by 23.
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
Oh, you'll be shocked all right...
…but it’s a 14 point win for Denver.
DENVER: 31
PITTSBURGH: 17
Vinny Gambino: "Ms. Vito, Can you tell the court what this is a picture of?"
Ms. Vito: "Ya know what it's of"
by Bronco_Fan_Tom on Nov 6, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it seems perfectly reasonable that the broncos will set their second highest point total of the season against the steelers. How could I argue?
You sure Ike isn’t reacquainting himself with his fingers, he certainly doesn’t use them for catching. - Brian (DaBolts) on "Face Me Ike"
indeed, how could you?
well said, my friend.
Vinny Gambino: "Ms. Vito, Can you tell the court what this is a picture of?"
Ms. Vito: "Ya know what it's of"
by Bronco_Fan_Tom on Nov 7, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Denver wins ...
Big Ben gets 3 INTs -- heard it hear first.
You mean Orton? Karma.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by John Stephens on Nov 10, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Why Denver will win
Eddie Royal isn’t as good as you say. He doesn’t have near the speed or quickness of a Devin Hester. Denver is lucky so far in the injury department, but that is a common ingredient of any successful team. New England is about the only team I can think of that had success when also having injuries … but they new the other teams plays. Tomorrow Denver is healthy, and hungry, especially with San Diego starting to make a move. Denver will surprise Pittsburg with a better offensive showing after last week’s debacle.
But the real reason Denver will win. I really haven’t been impressed with Pittsburg. Last weeks win over Minnesota was a referee aided fluke.
relax steeler fans
Hey guys, don’t get to excited with these poor Bronco fans. Here is some statistical analysis to rest your head on. Since 2002, we have twice as many SB wins (2) as they have playoff wins (1). I love to see them all here talking trash though, what with that one playoff win, and that loss in 2005 to the 6 seed at home….

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