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BTSC Steelers Daily Six Pack- Please Don't Go Kevin Colbert Edition

IX-A scary report has emerged from ESPN.com where they are reporting that if and when Bill Cowher decides to get back into coaching that Steelers G.M. Kevin Colbert will follow him to his new gig. Colbert has arguably been as important if not more important than either head coach Bill Cowher or Mike Tomlin in the two most recent super bowl victories.  If you don't think Colbert is important just look at his first round draft picks since he took over for Tom Donahoe in 2000:  Plaxico Burress, Casey Hampton, Kendall Simmons, Troy Polamamlu, Ben Roethlisberger, Heath Miller, Santonio Holmes, Lawrence Timmons, Rashard Mendenhall, and Ziggy Hood.

X-After an outstanding preseason Stefan Logan made me think he could be one of the most electric return men in the league, but after almost an entire season, I am starting to realize he is nothing more than an average to above average return man. The sad part is it wasn't anything Logan did or didn't do that made me come to this realization, it was actually the insane punt return that DeSean Jackson had on Sunday night against the Giants.  Jackson looked like he was from another universe during that return as he tight-roped down the sidelines for a 72 yard punt return.  Jackson was taken in the 2008 draft only four picks ahead of our dear friend, Limas Sweed.  (Ray Rice was taken two picks after Sweed).

Star-divide

XIII-I know I am behind the curve on this one, but I broke down and bought the book "The Blind Side" about current Raven's tackle Michael Oher and finished it this morning. I have yet to see the movie, and probably will wait till it comes out on DVD, but the book is a must read for football fans since the book isn't just a tale about Oher's rise to fame and fortune from his troubled childhood in West Memphis. The book uses Oher's story as a framework to discuss the value of the left tackle position in the NFL and it traces the moment when the left tackle was no longer paid and treated like an ordinary lineman back to Lawrence Taylor's entrance into the league. For those not into reading the movie is supposed to be terrific too and has grossed over 130 million dollars in the United States already.

XIV-Steelers current Left Tackle Max Starks isn't letting his big off-season raise affect him as he was recently named the Steelers 2009 Walter Payton Man of the Year.  Starks will go onto compete against 32 other nominees from each NFL team and one winner will be selected the 2009 NFL Walter Payton Man of the Year during Super Bowl week this year in Miami.  Starks has the "Max Starks Fund, through the Pittsburgh Foundation, to promote childhood literacy and education", as well as contributing to efforts for breast cancer awareness, a Thanksgiving food drive, and multiple other charities.

XL-Rookie Ramon Foster will be staring in place of injured guard Chris Kemoeatu again this week, so even if injuries are the cause the Steelers will be making a few personal changes.  BTSC's favorite beat writer Jim Wexell questions whether the Steelers should blow up parts of the Steelers going forward.

XLIII-While the Steelers continue to struggle it was fun to watch teams like the Ravens, Jets, Texans, and Titans dominate inferior opponents the way solid football teams should do. Earlier this season the Steelers struggled to get a victory against the Lions, meanwhile the Ravens blew them away by 40 plus points yesterday and Ray Rice dominated the game.  Some other brief thoughts about the NFL from Sunday:

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Colbert

I wouldn’t worry much about Colbert leaving the team. While no one can say for sure what he’s thinking, both Wexell and Bouchette argue that his real loyalty is to the Rooney family (as well it should be).

Additionally, Wexell (who will reply to you on Twitter if you ask him a good question by the way) says that Cowher probably wouldn’t want a personnel man – he considers himself, and I quote, a “personnel genius”. What he would really want instead is a cap wizard – someone to keep him reined in a bit on expenditures and to work their magic on FA and rookie contracts.

by BluegrassSteeler on Dec 15, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

K. Colbert is under contract, S. Logan thoughts, Gay & Ike to eat a lot of cheese on Sunday

Kevin Colbert is under contract for another couple of years, I think. I wouldn’t rag on Stefan Logan too much. He’s in the top 10 in kickoff return average in the NFL, but hasn’t been the punt returner everyone here thought he was. The Steelers have Logan for the free agent minimum. Are we so quick to forget the Russell’s and Davenports of the world on special teams?

I really think Arians could have used Logan a little more considering this offense needs help scoring points. All he had to do was look at how the Chargers use Sproles and design some similar things for him (no, I’m not saying Logan and Sproles are the same player. But Logan has similar quickness and can make some splash plays). Draws, screens, dump-downs, that sort of stuff. Tomlin is doing this team a disservice if he doesn’t give Mike Wallace a chance to return a few (to see what he can do and to prepare him for that possible role next year) and have Santonio field a few punt returns as well. I have to give the Eagles props for putting Deshean Jackson back there returning punts. Maybe it’s time to turn Holmes loose and let him do it as well.

And lastly, I’ve watched the Packers a few times this season and if Rogers has time to throw, he will destroy this secondary. There is no way you can play against this offense as a DB and not be aggressive with these WR’s and make plays on the ball. Right now, this secondary and their WR’s & TE’s IS a mismatch. Honestly, do you think this secondary will play like mice or men this week (And in the background you could hear Ike, Gay, Carter and Clark say in unison, “I LIKE CHEESE!!!!”

by datruth4life on Dec 15, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wallace

has returned a few kicks, I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Dec 15, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I'm not mistaken

Wallace still holds kick/punt return records from his college days…just something to think about…

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by SteelFever on Dec 15, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Kevin Colbert is under contract for another couple of years, I think."

I’d love to know why datruth knows this but the espn talking heads who are paid to do not. Of course they did the same thing with Harrison last year and we all knew he was under contract for another year anyway. Man either the espn people are retarded or they just think we all are.

"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."

by showtime on Dec 16, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN just rumormongering

ESPN, desperately trying to keep up with the superior coverage CNNSi.com has been providing the past few years, has let Chris Mortenson and Adam Schefter pass on any rumor they can find or even make up themselves as ‘news.’ They look at anything that might be remotely possible and put it out as speculation.

Mortenson was the dope who was on all the tv and radio shows hyping how good Vick and the Steelers would be. Now, with the Steelers down and the end of the season approaching (meaning Cowher talk is increasing), he throws out garbage about Colbert leaving.

Mortenson and Shefter are the TMZ of football reporting. They should call their blogs gossip columns.

by upabob on Dec 15, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What's worse is the genius that NFL network replaced with Shefter

said big snack was on the trading block. does he not understand how a 3-4 defense works!?

by klompus on Dec 15, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't read much on the site today so I'm not sure if this was mentioned

Polamalu is out for Sunday. Apparently his MRI looked no better than from last week. If you are silently hoping for a return of Troy, it might be time to give up that hope. If he is not good to go after this huge break, just leave him out. No reason to force him back in for pointless games and risk a possible long-lasting injury to that knee.

The Hell that Tomlin & the Steelers have unleashed on me this December is indescribable.

by Johnny_S on Dec 15, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’d rather have a healthy Troy for dozens more years and be making it to the playoffs ourselves, then knock the Ravens off this year. Even if they get in they cannot beat Indy…

The Hell that Tomlin & the Steelers have unleashed on me this December is indescribable.

by Johnny_S on Dec 15, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All I hear from my son

who watched “The Blind Side” is how hot Sandra Bullock was in in it.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 15, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

She is seriously beautiful in the movie,

and spunky. I loved the movie, bought the book after I saw it, and loved the book even more. It was a fascinating look at how the game has changed. I highly recommend both.

"The standard of expectation does not change." - Mike Tomlin

by momma rollett on Dec 15, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'm going to have to get both

I’ll get the movie in blue ray so I can make my own judgement of Bullock. :)

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 15, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know

that if the Steelers had signed Oher, none of this would be happening. No movie, no book, nothing. I will never watch the movie or read the book simply because it’s about a Raven.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by SteelFever on Dec 15, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

book was release in 2006

so even if he was a Buffalo Bill there would have been a movie. Its about a good kid who got a break. Liek the Ravens or not, I was only mad they picked him because I think he is the best lineman, offense or defense, from this years draft.

"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula

by SteelCage on Dec 16, 2009 8:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ya…the movie was even the the works prior to the draft as well.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Dec 16, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

because the Ravens are such glamorous team.

by steelerark on Dec 16, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

and I HATE Sandra Bullock.

"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin

by SteelFever on Dec 16, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Colbert is great and hopefully he'll stay.

No disrespect meant for Colbert (he’s proven his value), but drafting college players these days isn’t quite the black art that it used to be. The main thing is getting people with the right attitude who also have the talent.

I continue to think Logan is acceptable as a return guy. After all, how many NFL teams have guys who consistently run it back for TDs? To get a guy like that, you’d need to use a fairly high draft pick, which wasn’t necessary to get Logan. Also, we’ve never even tried to use Logan as a 3rd down receiver. He’s got great hands and plenty of speed.

by Billy52 on Dec 15, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Is he that speedy?

I bought into the Logan is a burner talk until I saw Quan Cosby blow by him (and knock him on his butt) on Chad Scott’s TD return.

And he made up no ground on Charles’ TD return in the Chiefs game.

And it seems he would have taken the Raiders’ opening kick all the way if he was a little quicker. The guy didn’t have that great an angle.

I still like Logan more than Davenport/Russell/whoever, but II wonder if he just has okay NFL speed, but not top flight?

by upabob on Dec 15, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Logan's speed

My guess is that he has great acceleration, but can’t sustain the top end like some taller guys. So, good 40 time, but by the time he was 60 yards into that return against the Raiders, he was already slowing down.

Agreed he’s been an upgrade over what we’ve had in the recent past, but probably not worth a roster spot. Also, Ike Taylor may still be our best KO return man. He was pretty good when he did it his first few years. (Believe it or not he didn’t drop balls.) If he keeps stinking it up at CB, maybe there’s no reason not to use him as a returner?

by MelBlunt on Dec 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

> FWP

As I recall, Logan and FWP raced to 40 during the preseason. FWP won, but Logan was gaining. According to Willie, Logan would have won had it been a 45-yard dash.

This suggests to me that Logan is actually fast (top speed), rather than quick (acceleration).

I’m a Logan supporter, but one of my gripes this season has been him not taking an angle and creating some extra space. I think he’s being coached to run up the middle. If that sounds familiar, I think it’s because all our guys have been coached to do this. That is the shortest distance to the yardage we want. However, it doesn’t leave Logan room to get up to speed. He’s very good at making the first guy miss, but he gets drilled by the second guy when he doesn’t have the speed to get away.

If you watch the preseason TD, Logan gets up to speed. Then he blows past 7 (I think?) defenders before they can adjust. So, I think he’s got some speed. We just need a coach who knows how to take advantage of it.

Oh, and for the record, I have no problem with allowing Burnett or Wallace to take a few kicks. But as long as Logan is on the roster, I think we spend time developing him.

by Varmint on Dec 16, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Logan probably can outrun anybody on the team for 100 yds., except maybe Wallace.

And if Wallace wants to be a starting receiver in this league, he’s not gonna want to be a kick returner for too long. It’s real easy to get knocked out for the season on a kick return. That’s one good reason why you need a specialist.

by Billy52 on Dec 15, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

as long as we're having a spot on special teams devoted to a specialist,

let holmes, wallace, and one of the speedy CBs (lewis or burnett, I can’t remember) take turns returning it and sign a kickoff specialist. kick off specialist + on roster returner > logan + reed in my opinion.

by klompus on Dec 15, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rumors

How would you even be able to report this? Do you really think Colbert would talk to anyone and say, “If Bill Cowher comes back to football next year and wants a personnel man to go with him to whichever team he may be coaching I would leave my current position to join Bill Cowher in that yet to be determined location next year.”

Maybe he would say something like this to his wife while thinking about the future, and I doubt she would leak it to the media. He certainly wouldn’t say that to anyone in the Steelers organization, which is the only way it would be leaked to Schefter (unless Shefter is stalking Colbert’s wife, kids, or friends).

by CarlWeathersMustache on Dec 15, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i agree with the above comments. i wouldnt worry too much about it – at least not until there are some reasonable reports on it. Plus, Cowher actually has to take the job first…

by BrooklynSteelersFan on Dec 16, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Dear God No

Gotta keep Colbert. Most underrated football executive out there. The man knows what he’s doing, and does it better than most of the NFL’s GM’s. That would be a huge blow, if we were to lose him.

BTSC Obituaries

OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.

by HighSchoolSteeler on Dec 15, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m not in a position to grade Colbert. But I do think highlighting at his 1st rounds picks as DYMS has done is insufficient. (Not bustin’ on you, Shake. I know six packs are just conversation pieces.) I’d rather look at picks 2 and 3.

That list is solid, but not remarkable.

by Varmint on Dec 16, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Colbert and Logan

I agree with you guys, the rumour mill is becoming a substitute for reporting, even though the one about Arians and Ligashesky getting the axe really helped me get a good night’s sleep yesterday… Speaking of our not-so-special teams coach, here’s a thought : maybe Stefan Logan would be better on a better coached unit. Eveybody talks (with reason) about our coverage unit woes, but our return game has been anemic for a long time as well. I’m pretty sure some better coaching there would help production.

Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!

by Steelfrog on Dec 15, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

2 parts talking about Ravens players

Love the transition DYMS.

If you guys had Jackson or Rice, I would be crying myself to sleep every night because I realllllly wanted Sweed in that draft. Thank god for Pittsburgh though.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 15, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You know

That guy who destroyed Corey Ivy last year in the AFCCG, then recruited him into Pittsburgh to make him feel special. You know, that guy.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 15, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ed Reed looks like a homeless man

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 15, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I contend that Ed Reed looks like an extra from the cast of “The Wire”

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Dec 15, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Same thing

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 15, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Troy Polamalu looks like he belongs in the YMCA video.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 15, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice avatar

If looks could kill.

"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison

by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 15, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nice try but.....not

You tried though.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 16, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sweed

I wanted Jason Jones in that spot that year. Still, I was pretty happy when we got him and so were most people in Pittsburgh. But who knows? Maybe third year’s a charm… That 08 draft is still a bit of a stinker, though.

Check this out : Players drafted in the spot immediately AFTER ours on the first day of the 08 draft :

1/24- Chris Johnson
2/54- Jason Jones
3/89- Steve Slaton

As a bonus- 6/195- Donald Thomas (Starting guard for Miami)

OUCH!!!

Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!

by Steelfrog on Dec 15, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

That’s crazy. Imagine your team with Chris Johnson. Let that sink in……..

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 15, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

So that means you really took Ratard Mendenhell before Chris Johnson?

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 15, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes we did

And we had brought Johnson in for an interview, in fact, if memory serves, all three of those guys were brought in.

Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!

by Steelfrog on Dec 15, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tomlin just didn’t see the hell unleasher in CJ. He unleashes death on people now.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 15, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Arrgghh!

I’m really on my death bed now! Maybe we misunderstood Tomlin on that one, maybe what he was really saying was he would be unleashing B.S. statements in december and his team would play like hell…

Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!

by Steelfrog on Dec 15, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

December isn't over yet......

just sayin

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 15, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right...

Does that mean more B.S. statements are in store for us?

Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!

by Steelfrog on Dec 15, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No hell will be unleashed!!

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 15, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wait...

HELL WILL BE UNLEASHED!! Buuuuhahahahaha!

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 15, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More like

purgatory will be unleashed.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Dec 15, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

classic

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Dec 15, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good one CHISAP!

-We will let purgatory sort of hang around in December!

Now let me work on my perfectly groomed beard, please…

Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!

by Steelfrog on Dec 15, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about the buffer dang it

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 16, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, definitely

Small guys like Johnson and Rice just don’t flourish in this league.

You have to hate losing more than you love winning.

by Mr MaLoR on Dec 15, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i don’t think Johnson would have been as effective with our O-Line. He’s, without question, the best back in the league, outside the guards. Mendy has size and strength that Johnson doesn’t have, and with our crappy run blocking that comes in handy.

breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 15, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not saying that!!

But, that MUST be the reasoning!

by nycsteelerfan on Dec 15, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What?

Small guys don’t flourish in this league?
What about Emmit Smith?
What about Thurman Thomas

There are scores of smallish successful running backs.

by IronJake on Dec 20, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No small Johnsons huh?

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 16, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Our Johnson is bigger than the Titans' Johnsons

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 17, 2009 7:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's more because...

We had a speed back, and we needed more of a power runner.

That or the fact Chris Johnson can barely put logical sentences together. (Have you ever heard him interviewed?)

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we didn't draft CJ because he's pretty dumb

really good at football………….not to bright……..

by shleeve on Dec 16, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I had an MVP vote I think it would to CJ

He is the fastest guy in the league and does occasonally run over a DB not very often but he will run through arm tackles and then run away from everyone else

Players who should be in the Hall of Fame
DIck Lebeau, Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel and Chris Carter

by WVPiratesfan on Dec 15, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

although...

Remember Mendy running down an interception return? That guy ran past everybody on the field and tackled the guy short of the goal line.

by IronJake on Dec 20, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jury out on Logan

Watch that Desean Jackson return: the return team throws a ton of blocks. Jackson stepped back and gave his guys time to throw three blocks. Then, he only had to beat one guy to the corner. Logan has never gotten that sort of return blocking. I’m not a Logan fan, but that return looked very different (and just because of the returner) than a typical Steelers return.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Dec 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You mean it was coached?

Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!

by Steelfrog on Dec 15, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

if you are Mr. Miyagi

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 16, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man...

Coaching on special teams, what will they come up with next?

Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!

by Steelfrog on Dec 16, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i hear one team came up with a way for their defense to stop an opposing team’s offense in the 4th quarter

probably a just a rumor tho

by t1mmy10 on Dec 16, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am

But coaching is the issue. We are just inferior all around every week on STs.

Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!

by Steelfrog on Dec 15, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you are correct, sir.

by BrooklynSteelersFan on Dec 16, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you.

He’s got those 5’6 legs. Great in small spaces but hard to go 75 yds with. I still like Tone back there. He’s our best big-play guy…

by cliff harris is still a punk! on Dec 15, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's the blocking, not the speed.

Well, a little of both, but the steelers have terrible return blocking.

by IronJake on Dec 20, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pat Kirwan from NFL.com on the Steelers problems & how to fix them

Here you go:

1. What’s wrong with the Steelers?

The Steelers are still the reigning world champion, but you would never know it watching them lose to the Cleveland Browns on Thursday night. I watched their last few game tapes and talked to a few coaches and players who have faced the Steelers this year, and the consensus is that numerous factors have caused this five-game losing skid. In no particular order here are some things to consider:

Weekend recap
 
Ben Roethlisberger’s Steelers are teetering on the edge, but have not yet been eliminated from the playoff race. Get an updated look at the complete postseason picture. More …

a) The Polamalu Factor. The Steelers are 3-0 and have allowed just 14 points per contest when Troy Polamalu has played the entire game. In the other 10 games, the team is 3-7 and has allowed an average of 20 points.

b) The Steelers gave up two touchdowns on returns all last season. In 13 games this year, they have already given up eight.

c) The 2009 Steelers have lost three games in which they had a fourth-quarter lead. If they would have won those games, they would be 9-4, not 6-7.

d) The irony of the Steelers’ five-game slide is that their best chance to win came in a Week 12 overtime loss to Baltimore, when Dennis Dixon started for an injured Ben Roethlisberger. The Steelers ran the ball 38 times in that matchup and almost won. Against the Browns, they ran the ball just 22 times.

e) Roethlisberger still gets sacked too often. He was sacked eight times against the Browns. For the season, he gets dropped once every 12 pass attempts.

So what is the answer? As one coach said, they must get back to their roots: “Practice outside in the cold, practice in pads more often and bench anyone that doesn’t play Steeler football.”

I agree getting back to being a physcial, run-first team. The OL sacks kind of piss me off because Ben just takes TOO MANY. That has to be on the coaches more than Ben at this point. They allow him to do it, so he does it.

Tired of hearing about Troy. The players we got back there are getting paid, too. If they can’t do the job, either put someone else in there who can or get better players next year.

It sucks to see this team fall apart this year. What the hell am I supposed to do during the playoffs this year?

by datruth4life on Dec 15, 2009 5:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Watch hockey. The Pens are badass this year!…and finally all healthy.

breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 15, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They ripped up the Flyers tonight. That was good to see.

by redmik on Dec 15, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on your perspective

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Dec 16, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's pretty good from my perspective. :)

you a flyer fan bro?

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 16, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I am a Flyers fan.

Try not to hold it against me. I love the Buccos and Steelers but my Hockey loyalty is on this side of the state.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Dec 16, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not hatin bro

I usually follow state teams.

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 16, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

None of the better NFL teams today is a run-first team.

While running is still an important aspect of the game, it’s not a formula for consistent winning anymore. Lots of teams, including the Steelers this season, dominate time of possession but lose the games.

A team does, however, need to have a credible short-yardage running game. That’s what the Steelers had with Bettis. Clearly, you don’t want to be forced into throwing the ball every time you need 1 or 2 yds. for a first down. But if you try to win mainly by running the ball and dominating possession, a lot of teams can beat you with quick possessions and plenty of passing (Manning, Brees, Brady, etc.).

by Billy52 on Dec 15, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That is absolutely false.

Stats…..HERE

Of the top 10 rushing teams in the league (yards p/game), only one, the Carolina Panthers are not either currently holding onto a playoff seed, or directly in the Wild Card hunt. The Jets, Dolphins, Ravens, Jags are all tied for the 6th WC spot and all rank in the top 10 in the NFL. The Jags are one game behind them, and rank 8th in the league. Furthermore, the undefeated Saints are 5th in the NFL in rushing, and the Bengals are 6th.

As far as number of rush attempts p/game: 4 division leaders (Bengals, Saints, Pats, Vikes) rank in the top 10 in the NFL; 1 WC holder (Denver) and 4 more teams in serious contention for the WC. Only the Panthers are in the top 10, but not in the Playoff hunt.

breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 15, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Those stats prove nothing.

I said the best NFL teams are not run-first teams. This means they don’t run the ball more than they pass. But you’re giving me a list of the top-10 rushing teams. What does that prove?

by Billy52 on Dec 15, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I had a reply with more stats for you and interesting points and life-changing meaning...

But then my internet crashed, and I lost everything….So, here’s a boring summary:

While running is still an important aspect of the game, it’s not a formula for consistent winning anymore.

In response to that statement, 9 of the top 10 rushing teams are in the playoff picture, both in yards per game and in attempts per game. Of the top 10 passing teams (attempts per game), only 4 are in the playoff picture.

As far as “run first” offenses go, which I never was addressing, in th past 10 years, only about 25% of offenses run more than they throw, but that does include 3 SB champs and 2 SB losing teams.

breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 15, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Minor correction
That’s what the Steelers had with Bettis.

That’s what the Steelers had with Faneca.

by Varmint on Dec 16, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Running the ball with this team means ...

1) A return to physical football on both sides of the ball

2) Saving Ben from himself as far as taking sacks

3) becoming a better short yardage and redzone team

4) a return to STEELERS FOOTBALL!

Damn it, just do it!

by datruth4life on Dec 15, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There's not much more to say

You covered it, and in all honesty, now its time to watch what happens next.

I might be glad I might miss the game Sunday after reading the end of your first post on this thread, but then again, I like rooting for underdogs playing over their heads, knocking teams out of the playoffs and such….

by Twell on Dec 16, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But remember, there is no fullback in BA's offense...

…and I fear that until we get one, the return to Steelers football will have to wait.

by cliff harris is still a punk! on Dec 15, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’s probably only going to be BA’s offense for another 3 weeks. Then it becomes the Steelers offense.

by BluegrassSteeler on Dec 16, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate ….. the term “Steelers Football”.

This is not directed at you personally, but both you and datruth wrote about it back to back.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Dec 16, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Is their any other team in the NFL that uses such a B.S. statement so regularly. When was the last time you heard a Seattle fan preaching about getting back to “Seahawk Football”?

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Dec 16, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you never will

Because Seahawk football was never a organizational mentality reflected in on field execution. Run the football, stop the run, be more physical than the guy across from you. That’s been the idea for the better part of the last 40 years.

breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 16, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have a Steeler football on my trophy shelf

just saying

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 16, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well done

breathe in deep feel your heart beat, just to know that life's worth livin'. feel your feet on the earth, better love it while it's still here spinnin'.

by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 16, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, they kind of defined it

…as an identity and style, and consistently remained dedicated to that approach for a long while. They perfected it like no other, while other teams changed systems and styles.

Maybe its a Blue Collar town thing, maybe its just rugged, classic football thats still something to admire when its pounding out a win for the team.

But maybe its easy to get sick of when its not working….and the team gets over-analyzed.

Good Blog post by the way.

by Twell on Dec 16, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was the right stategy

to fit the talent and the rules of the 70’s & 80’s. Plus they drafted to fill that kind of system. Plus they were really onto something with four SB in six years. That was a dynasty not even the 49er’s or Pat’s achieved.

Today’s football champions as always are built with top defense. Offensively champions have become not power football running teams but those that have balance.
  Last year as example MeMo carried the load late in the season until FWP ran away with the win against SD. SB XL Bettis in the regular season. FWP for 75 yd Td.
Yet passing was as or more important than running those two years. Last year including the SB saw many wins on a last drive passing the ball exclusively. The playoffs prior to SB XL The passing game in the first half won those games against Denver and Indianapolis because of the huge lead the defense could play with.

by steelerstyle on Dec 17, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

…and maybe all the early success Ben was having the first 4-5 games of the season with passing contributed to an obsession to keep that up. He was going to have a career year and franchise records stat wise. But your point about balance is well taken. They have little in the second half and it shows.

by Twell on Dec 17, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am no OC no tactican or even practiced in Madden

But just think about the stress fractures on opposing defenses with Ward & Santonio out wide, Heath at TE Rush hard behind Ben and one more play maker in the backfield. Ie Legursky as a FB, FWP, MeMo hell even Logan or Wallace or Dixon as decoys or gadgets.

This formation should be able to pass well,by going deep, blocking blitzes, have open outlet recievers in the flats or behind the linebackers.
This formation should also be able to run well by either misdirection, draws, power blocking, sweeps or reverses.

by steelerstyle on Dec 17, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Way back to Steeler Football

Think we all would like to see the Steelers pound the football more than they do. There have also been numerous people wanting to draft a RG. Just found out that the Rams released Richie Incognito. I wouldn’t mind seeing him playing for us. This guy is violent and a mauler. Brings a lot, and I mean a lot, of attitude with him. While he seems to have anger issues, I think Tomlin could get him to control it a little bit.

Anyone else agree or am I way off basis?

by redmik on Dec 16, 2009 12:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I might be wrong, but I don’t know if this guy can clear waivers given how many horrible teams not coincidently have horrible lines. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Raiders picked him up with the loss of Robert Gallery.

Guy has really serious temper problems though. He’s a penalty machine and supposedly got canned after having a heated argument/yelling match with the head coach. I don’t know if we need any of that. Our OL does fine getting penalized as is.

by BluegrassSteeler on Dec 16, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Colbert & Logan

The Cowher-Colbert rumor has been out there before, the argument was that they were going to market themselves as a “package.” I doubt there is much truth to it, but until Cowher lands on another sideline, this one will get recycled.

While I like Colbert and want to see him stay, some of the Steelers personnel/draft decisions, both recent and spanning back to the middle of this decade, are haunting them this year.

As for Logan, he reminds me of Dwight Stone. Not because of his hands, but becuase he seems to be one dimensional – fast but nothing else.

by Hombre de Acero on Dec 16, 2009 6:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Colbert

This guy isn’t what you think. Sure, he has been spot on with most of his first round picks. But his overall draft record is spotty. This current team has no real depth. Colbert does well in the early round most years but he absolutely sucks in the later rounds. Good bye and don’t let the door hit you on the way out!!! The Steelers need a complete face lift. Get some new coaches and as many young athletic guys on the team as they can. They have extra picks this year and they need to hit a homerun! The core is there but they need role players. Get a “real” kick returner and a few DBs who can actually cover and make interceptions. William Gay is a disgrace and oh my, don’t even get me started on Ike Taylor. Parker, Clark, Carter, Townsend, and Gay got to go. Change to a 4-3 defense and get a fullback. Weaver and McClain will be on the free agent market. Get either. And finally, find a “true” identity. It’s be shown and proven time after time that a balanced offense, good run defense, and special teams are the recipe to success in the NFL. JUST do it!!!!

by RobMitch on Dec 16, 2009 1:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to BTSC RobMitch, there are some flaws in your thinking...

LaMarr Woodley, William Gay, Willie Colon, Chris Kemoeatu, Max Starks, Ike Taylor, Brett Keisel, Trai Essex. What do all these players have in common? All were selected after the first round of the draft, and all were selected by Kevin Colbert. Add Willie Parker and James Harrison to that list as both were undrafted free agent signings. 9 of 22 starters were selected by him after the first round. That leaves 13 starters. Of those 13, six were first round picks (Heath, Santonio, Ben, Troy, Timmons, Rashard). So that leaves us with 7 other guys. Three (Hines, Hampton, A. Smith) were all here before Colbert. And Carey Davis, Justin Hartwig, Ryan Clark, James Farrior were all free agent pick ups. And I’m not even counting the last two drafts as the players we took later haven’t played enough to know what we’ve got in them yet.

We have more Colbert draftees on our roster than non-Colbert guys.

Not enough? Okay. Clark Hagans, Marvel Smith, Chucki Okobi, Rodney Bailey, Verron Haynes, Larry Foote, Chris Hope, Antwaan Randle El, Noah Herron, Orien Harris, Ryan McBean,and Bryant McFadden. Those were all players drafted by Colbert that either played fairly well in their time spent in Pittsburgh, went on to play well for other teams, or were solid backups for some time in the NFL.

No one is 100% after the first round. Hell, some guys are well below 100% in the first round, his record after the first is pretty solid, definitely above average. His record overall is good, borderline great.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks a lot…I spent a half an hour gathering up all those names and I was going to write a smarmy response and you stole my thunder.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Dec 16, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

riiiiiiiiight

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 16, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Smarmy

that word doesn’t get used nearly enough.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Dec 16, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it got used twice in one thread

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 16, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps it should appear in all caps for the trifecta

SMARMY!!

Good post over there by SoCal. Never did see the post that created some apparent hub bub.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Dec 16, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine...

What a wave we could make with the word “smarmy”.

On second thought, we’d probably suck at that. ;(

by Varmint on Dec 16, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I knew a kid who had poo that was wormy

(close)

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 17, 2009 7:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My bad DYMS...

You can copy, paste and rearrange mine if you like. (haha)

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but...

Quite a few drafts were weak on the second day. Colbert even admitted they needed to get better at scouting non marquee players. The guy is pretty darn good, but I don’t know about great… Still a keeper, though. I think 09 might turn out to be a pretty good and deep draft, hopefully as good as 02 which was Colbert’s best draft ever. Only Urbik seems a tad dodgy and Foster make up for it. I would’ve liked Macho Harris instead of Keenan Lewis myself, but the guy could still become a good player…

Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!

by Steelfrog on Dec 16, 2009 3:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Macho Harris!

I’m 100% with you Steelfrog.

Gotta rep my Hokies!

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Gotta stick with my guns, he’s the guy I really wanted in the third round this year although I must admit I also wanted Mike Mickens instead of Sunny Harris and that would have been a mistake…

Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!

by Steelfrog on Dec 16, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They would be playing the Village people when he comes into the game

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill

by PixburghArn on Dec 17, 2009 7:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldnt be so quick to criticize logan

and i think it’s hard to compare him to jackson.
1) desean jackson was drafted, high. logan was never drafted
2) yeah, jackson made the first guy or 2 miss, but after that he had blocking. logan never ever gets any blocking. the few times he has, he’s made big plays.

he might not be back next year, but i think it has to do more with our blocking than anything. if nobody can make plays returning the ball on our team, there isnt reason to keep a guy specifically for that purpose.

plus i dont understand tomlin pulling logan (possibly permanently based upon his press conference the other day). guess that ranks right up there with saying he “like the team’s fight” after our loss to the browns.

by t1mmy10 on Dec 16, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

well....maybe quick isnt the right word. but i still wouldnt blame him

plus on KR we jumped from 28thish in the league last year to 10th this year.

its a bigger improvement than going from berger to sepulveda

by t1mmy10 on Dec 16, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mr.colbert

some people hate to see mr. colbert go. i think he should, when you are a playoff team
those players you draft in the second third and lower rounds are your future down the road he has been good in the first round, but after that he has been a bust, look at the offensive line at center when was the last time we had a home grown center that has always been the heart of the steeler running game, now you know why we cant run or sustain a five minute drive to give our defense a breather.
so good bye mr. colbert, maybe a grandson or a nephew of the rooneys can get involve

by steelpony on Dec 17, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Since NYSteelersfan4 was kind enough to put this together I will just cut and paste from his comment above…..

LaMarr Woodley, William Gay, Willie Colon, Chris Kemoeatu, Max Starks, Ike Taylor, Brett Keisel, Trai Essex. What do all these players have in common? All were selected after the first round of the draft, and all were selected by Kevin Colbert. Add Willie Parker and James Harrison to that list as both were undrafted free agent signings. 9 of 22 starters were selected by him after the first round. That leaves 13 starters. Of those 13, six were first round picks (Heath, Santonio, Ben, Troy, Timmons, Rashard). So that leaves us with 7 other guys. Three (Hines, Hampton, A. Smith) were all here before Colbert. And Carey Davis, Justin Hartwig, Ryan Clark, James Farrior were all free agent pick ups. And I’m not even counting the last two drafts as the players we took later haven’t played enough to know what we’ve got in them yet.

We have more Colbert draftees on our roster than non-Colbert guys.

Not enough? Okay. Clark Hagans, Marvel Smith, Chucki Okobi, Rodney Bailey, Verron Haynes, Larry Foote, Chris Hope, Antwaan Randle El, Noah Herron, Orien Harris, Ryan McBean,and Bryant McFadden. Those were all players drafted by Colbert that either played fairly well in their time spent in Pittsburgh, went on to play well for other teams, or were solid backups for some time in the NFL.

No one is 100% after the first round. Hell, some guys are well below 100% in the first round, his record after the first is pretty solid, definitely above average. His record overall is good, borderline great.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Dec 18, 2009 7:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs


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