are the Steelers offensive woes ALL Arians fault??
Now, this ad is not defending B.A. BUT, everyone, myself included wants us to run the ball more. Look at the Ravens Ray Rice and what he does. Now, I truley believe that mendy is the better back...size, speed and power. The Ravens utilize him more than we use mendy. I know that the 3rd and 1 with the empty backfield drives me crazy. The shotgun formation in 3rd and 1 is OK with a RB next to BB..this keeps the defense honest in respecting the run(draw) which is fine! We all seem to talk about "Steeler" football with us grinding the yards out..we had Marvel Smith, Kendall Simmons, Jeff Hartings, Alan Faneca and Max Starks..Problem, we dont have that type of line anymore. That was a dominate O-Line..Is this line a dominate line?? Or, as most people suggest, an average line??? We dont have a Jordan Gross, or Otah, saturday..etc, etc..Do I think this is a dominate O-Line? No! with this line, we may not be able to grind a team down...besides Kemo, who is a mauler?? Our backups?? Legursky? Stapleton? Urbik? WFT?? What I am getting at is B.A. is playing with the cards he is dealt...no to say is a good OC, he is not, but, look what the offense has done...VERY inconsistant which means an O-line problem..
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I agree that the Steelers problems are not all BA’s fault. The defense and special teams are also to blame.
But a large percentage falls on the person in charge of the offense. The play calling sucks. Not being able to convert 3rd & short because the OL can not get a push and no FB is the fault of the OC. Not using a RB who is averaging close to 5 ypc in freezing weather when you are still in the game is the OC’s fault. Not using him when the QB is having an off day and adjusting the game plan is the OC’s fault. 10 yard sacks that take us out of FG range can be blamed on the play calling. WR running the wrong routes is the result of bad coaching. Having an offense that is so predictible based on formations is the fault of the OC. Using a TE, who can’t block a ghost, in 2 TE sets when you run the ball is the OC’s fault.
I agree not all the blame falls on the OC, but a lot does fall on his shoulders. Who would you blame for the offenses problems?
by Steeler Nation VA on Dec 16, 2009 9:21 AM EST reply actions
I've been trying to make a case...
That it isn’t all Arians fault for a while now. While I agree he is part of the problem, I do wonder how much is really his fault.
Did you know Ray Rice and Rashard Mendenhall have the exact same number of carries right now? (194) That is depite Rashard’s absence in the first few weeks of the season, which may go to show you, it’s not how many carries you get, it’s what you do with the carries you’re given. Ray catches way more passes, and that is the biggest difference between the two statisticly. Mendenhall has good hands, we could use him more as a receiver, if Ben could find a check down from time to time. I have always liked Rice (even though he spurned Syracuse for Rutgers, after a verbal comittment, but that’s okay) and he is a weapon at all times on the field. I think you underestimate his speed and power, just a little bit here. He’s better than most people think.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
I recall no one suggesting....
…Arians is solely responsible for our difficulties and our record but he is the elephant in the room. It’s become much too difficult to evaluate execution with him at the helm and for me that’s enough to replace him.
by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Dec 16, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Never claimed...
Some one else said he was solely to blame. Not sure what you meant.
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-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, get a distinct screen name......sheesh!
by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Dec 16, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
I get you mixed up with Lightningrod for some reason.....
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Marvin the Martian
The Hell that Tomlin & the Steelers have unleashed on me this December is indescribable.
by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
you don't miss a thing
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Neither did Aerosmith in Armageddon
The Hell that Tomlin & the Steelers have unleashed on me this December is indescribable.
by John Stephens on Dec 16, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
he is VERY good..
But, I think if utilized correctly, Mendy will prove better..
by nycsteelerfan on Dec 16, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Baltimore has 2 other Backs
Keep in mind that the carries in Baltimore are spread out between 3 backs. Ariens does not believe in running the ball. 3rd & 1 and you run an empty back set from the shot gun? Who is to blame then?
by Steeler Nation VA on Dec 16, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions
Not really...
Last year the carries were spread out between 3 backs, not so much this year.
McGahee- Averaging just under 7 carries per game and has 351 yards rushing
McClain- Averaging under 3 carries per game and has 150 yards rushing
Comparitively:
Willie Parker- Averaging just under 8 carries per game and has 259 yards (in 3 less games, and he started a few)
Me Moore- Averaging under 3 carries per game and has 120 rushing yards
Pretty similar, with the only major difference being in the TD department, where McGahee and McClain have 10 TD’s combined and Parker and Moore have zero. Does Baltimore not believe in the run? (Just a smart ass [joke] comment, the fans may very well be as displeased as we are with our OC’s.)
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-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
Of course ALL of the problems are not Arians' fault
Sweed catches that pass in the endzone in Cinci and we might now be talking about Indy and how we will match up with them in the playoffs.
Wexall had an interesting observation in Steelers Digest this week. He said that Dick Hoak (retired RB coach of many decades) used to tell the OCs “no, we can’t get that blocked” when they proposed plays that didn’t match the abilities of the personnel. Wexall’s point is that the Steelers still need someone to remind the OC that “we can’t get that blocked.” Not designing an offensive philosophy to fit the strengths of your personnel also falls on the OC.
I read ...
…somewhere(I will try and relocate the source) earlier this season that BB’s QB rating on 3rd and short under Whiz was over 110 in each of their three years together and in each of the three years with BA, it’s under 50.
Tomlin during his press conference on Monday, alluded to the failures of the run game in 3rd and short as well.
This is telling and unfortunately it’s only indicative of rather than an encapsulation of the situational failures that have plagued the offense during BA’s reign as OC.
by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Dec 16, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions
I think the real problem with Arians
He is predictable and complacent. Yes players play coachs coach, but I feel with all the weapons we have we are not using them to their full potential.
This is why football is such a team game, our offense struggles our D is on the field more, the more oppurtunities our opponent has to be in the game in the 4th and we are missing Troy. Our special teams gives up a TD, it deflates offense and defense.
I feel like you either need a Defense tthat is lights out and can with 3-0 games every week, or you need an offense that can put the nail in the coffin in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. I dont hink BA has that at all.
+1
I agree that his predictability in play calling is his biggest issue. Now, whether that’s because of a lack of creativity, a lack of player talent, I don’t know…but it seems that this year, defenses “know” what our offense is running before the ball is snapped. I mean, the Browns DB’s looked like All Pros last Thursday!
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by NoCal-SteelCity on Dec 16, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
what about the O-line?
Is it the fault of management?
by nycsteelerfan on Dec 16, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I've said this before and I'll say it again
Running the ball not only keeps the defense honest, it gives your line the chance to fight back instead of retreating. When BA calls run, pass, pass; the O-line is spending too much time back peddling to try and stop the on-coming blitz. When the formation is tight and there’s a back behind BB on first; Arians calls pass, run, run. Now the O-line shouldn’t be overwhelmed on first, and can impose their own will on 2nd, and 3rd. I hope that makes sense to everyone. Simply put: When the O-line can impose their own will on a D-line(run blocking) , good things will happen.
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 16, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Great analysis of what went wrong with the OL
Bitfallu has a fanpost on this, but here’s the link again:
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/12/15/between-the-lines-steelers-o-line-left-confused-by-the-browns/
I wasn’t sure about Zierlan previously, since I never played OL and don’t know that much about schemes, assignments, etc. If this guy’s analysis is anywhere near accurate, something’s wrong with coaching AND personnel.
My thoughts
Arians IS not at fault entirely for our offensive woes. In some plays our execution has been a disaster, e.g. Sweed’s dropped pass.
I think with Arians game plan the team needs a perfect offense. A QB who can throw exactly in that window and WRs who time their run to get into the run perfectly. In short, BA’s offensive design is dependent on having an ideal offense. Unfortunately, even Manning and his offense are not that perfect – forget about Ben and his WRs.
20+ yard bombs work only when you have someone like Randy Moss/ Andre Johnson type WR. Notice that many of Brady’s long passes would have been INTs or wayward passes if it was not for Randy Moss making those amazing catches.
kinda lost
if Manning and his offense are not perfect, and we aren’t close to their offensive production, why would you keep an OC who requires a perfect offense……
FAILL!!!
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
That’s my point. BA needs an ideal offense which is almost impossible to have.
BA wants BB to be PM
And he’s most definitely not!
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 16, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Tomlin is not getting the job done...
His comment about the running backs only converting 50% of third-downs is a joke. The team as a whole is converting less than 40%. My math tells me the pass fails more than the run. This falls squarely on the OC.
And for those who want to compare us to the Raven, they only have one more win than we do. The difference being a Steelers loss head to head. Do you really want to emulate a 7-6 team? Why not look at the Saints, I believe, even with Drew Brees, they are in the top 5 in rushing.
I’ve never been one of the fans claiming we need to run more. The fact is, the correct timing of a play call is more important than whether it is a run or a pass. Based on our 3rd down conversion rate and the fact that most of our scores and big plays are the result of broken plays, I will place the majority of the blame on the OC.
Arians must go. I totally agree with the idea that you put in a game plan that fits the strengths of the team. If Arians can do that then I don’t care if he stays. But he has proven time and time again how poor of a play caller he is. I’ll leave you with a few examples:
4th down in the 2007 playoff game against the Jags…a qb boot let that goes for nothing. the KC game this year on 3rd and 2. …A toss sweep to our slowest and least powerful back for a loss of 3. And the Cleveland game on numerous 3rd and shorts in -10 degree weather…5 wide empty set all ending with sacks.
The man must go!!!
Yeah the whole team needs to go
Let’s trade them for the Browns
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Dec 16, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Or the Cowboys
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 16, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
maybe we can trade half the team for half the Chargers and the other half for half the Cowboys
Then we can play the Cowboys Sep-Nov and the Chargers in Dec-Jan. Then hopefully that mix will get us another SuperBowl.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Dec 16, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Except
the chargers don’t win enough in Jan. :) then trade them back for the steelers?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
No
the comination of the two elements would produce a new compound. This compound would be stronger than the two elements apart. Catch my drift? Is there a chemist in the house?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Dec 16, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
lol
I understand completely. Kind of like steel.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 16, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
You hit that out of the park
There was kinda another one sort of hiden in that message….how about a Cowboy riding a Charger (horse). or a Cowboy being shocked in the nads….wait that’s another story
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
The Chargers used to be A man that was horseback charging into battle
Now they’re nothing more than this:

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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 16, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone offended by picachu?
My great grandfather was killed over a hundred years ago by a bolt of lightning. Not cool SoCal, not cool
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 17, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
ravens...
True, the ravens are 7-6…BUT, they beat the teams they should beat! we dont!
by nycsteelerfan on Dec 16, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not asking for a total makeover...
but for god’s sake, how can anyone defend Arians? What has the offense accomplished? It doesn’t matter how many yards you gain if there is still a pile of losses in the right hand column.
And I get your point about the Ravens, but according to the same logic we beat the teams we shouldn’t beat. Essentially, the team has the talent to beat any team but are capable of losing to anybody. The Ravens have only managed to beat the bottom feaders. In my mind, like Tomlin said, the Steelers are 6-7, a losing team. The Raven’s are only 1 game better.
I think we would be much better off trying to copy what the Colts, Saints or Vikings have done.
Which parts of the Colts, Vikings, and Saints would you want?
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-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
The record
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
The record would be nice...
but I only threw out those teams because I think when you compare yourself to others you should reach for the top. The Ravens have hardly played like champions.
All I want is an OC who has some semblance of an offensive philosophy. Please tell me what the Steelers philosophy is? When they stomped the Chargers and Broncos they rushed for nearly 200 yards. When they had ugly losses against the Chiefs, Raiders and Browns they didn’t even sniff 100. How can there be that disparity in the same team over the course of 6 weeks?
IMHO, the coaches put the players in a position to succeed. Our OC has repeatedly put the team in a position to fail. I would appreciate an argument to the contrary.
Arians at times leaves us in a position that includes grabbing ankles
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
LOL
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 17, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
DOH!
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
by PixburghArn on Dec 17, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to argue, but if you want to chat a bit :)
I don’t think he puts them in a position to fail. I mean it’s not like he sends them out there with 7 guys or call flea flickers left and right. You act like no one has ever called plays similarly in the past. He simply believes in the pass, and chooses to use it more than we’re used to. He believes you can set up the run with an effective passing game. It’s not like 5 wide sets on 3rd and one has never worked in the history of football. If the players executed the play better, blocking, routes, reading the defense, etc. you can pick up 3rd and one just as easy passing as running. And it’s not like we’ve never struggled in short yardage running before either.
Rashard had just as many carries in all of those losses (with the exception of the Oakland game) as he did in the wins (except for the San Diego game). He was just less effective in the losses than he was in the wins (with the exceptions of the two games in parenthesis before). Bruce should have ran more versus Oakland, in my opinion. We talk about Rashard averaging 5+ yards a carry and forget he averaged around 3 to 3.5 (which still isn’t bad, it’s just not 5+) per in those games. He just wasn’t as good as he normally is. If you notice, in the games Rashard had a higher average, he got more carries (link). Which to me means Arians at least recognized the run was working really well in those games.
The statistical disparity is simple, we played different teams with different gameplans against us. Thus different outcomes statistics wise.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Valid points...
I’m not going to say the players shouldn’t execute better. I also don’t believe every play should be a touchdown. But, there are fundamentals of play calling that go beyond whether the play works or not.
Against the Browns, there appeared to be two fundamental strategies that the Steelers never tried to exploit:
1) If a team is playing any sort of man, you should utilize motion to help create separation and identify coverage. We only used motion to put Hines in a position to block. Hence, hardly any separation.
2) A team that is blitzing hard of the edges and even up the middle, can be gashed on screens or flares to the running backs. Especially in man coverage because the CB’s backs will be toward the ball.
i’m not going to chat about the run to pass ratio and other nonsense, but it appears BA does not understand some of the basic offensive strategies. Or, at least, he doesn’t know when to use them.
You have to agree that the only time we picked up yards in the passing game were when players were wide open. And, given how the year progressed, I would attribute that more to blown assignments by our opponents than to great play calling.
Okay, one at a time now folks (haha)...
What are those fundamentals beyond whether a play works or not? Because I want to know how you think, just so I don’t come across as acting like I think I know more, while actually knowing less.
I agree with you on the motioning of players. I see Hines in motion, I think crackback block, not where’s he going to run. Quite honestly, I love Hines, but I’m of the opinion that maybe he shouldn’t have played Thursday as well. Against man, there really isn’t much you can do to get a slower receiver open, let alone a slower receiver on one bad leg. They just have to win their individual battles.
I also agree we should run more screen plays. It will eleveate some pass rushing pressure. I will say this, he doesn’t not call flats routes with the RB. I see them all the time. We just don’t throw to the HB, and that’s a Ben issue. Bruce can only call the plays, he can’t decide who gets thrown to too.
Which basic strategies would those be?
I don’t have to agree on that, but I will, partly. Would you say that there were players open (in NFL terms- a stride or through body positioning) that were missed, or that the only plays that worked were because guys were wide open? Because if the only plays that work are plays where someone was wide open, thats a defensive error. And if there were players who were open and missed, that’s a QB error.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I guess my basic point is when is the last time..
we have not been able to consistently move the ball against any of our opponents.
If we can both agree the Steelers are more talented than most the teams they have played so far, what you say the problem is?
It either has to be a team that has underachieved and failed to execute or the coaching.
sorry...
when is the last time we have methodically moved the ball against any of our opponents?
I follow...
And I believe it has as much to do with execution as the play calling, personally.
I would say we moved the ball consistently versus the Chiefs and Raiders. We also did as good of a job offensively as anyone could have expected (we put up more yards with Dixon versus Baltimore than we did with Ben versus Cleveland or Cinci).
Here’s the stats, as you can see, it’s not like we are just going 3 and out all the time, there is plenty of yardage in most of those games to win with. We aren’t putting enough TD’s on the board, and that is a result of many things, playcalling being one.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed...but don't you believe
another more talented and experienced OC could bring more success to this team?
It depends...
We’ve reached the pinnacle of success with Arians, so more success would be purely statistical.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think the ultimate question is how do we get more out of this offense?
I think the only rational, short-term solution is replacing BA.
The problem with replacing Bruce...
Is that then we will be in the position of learning an all new offense, which doesn’t always go well.
The reason this franchise has been successful is continuity. That doesn’t mean they’ve never fired a coach, but it means if they believe the system works, they stick with it until it is as much a part of the Steelers as the Terrible Towel. This offense can work, as is. It has elsewhere. It’s just a matter of how much each player can handle responsibility wise, and how willing they are to suffer through some harder times. When we figure out how the players fit the offense, and how the offense fits the players, this offense can flourish.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, where has this offense worked in the past...
Also, how many coordinators have the Steelers had in the last 10 years…Gailey, Mularkey, Whiz, Arians.
Basically that equates to a new coordinator once every 2-3 seasons. Offensive identity is most important. The players are smart enough to learn a new offense in the offseason.
BA’s offensive is completely different than the one Whiz used. Plus, if you look back to 2007, BA’s only successful year, Willie Parker was going to lead the league in rushing. It seems to me, looking back, that BA utilized more of the playcalling from the previous regime (55-60% run, 40-45% pass).
The scheme and gameplanning is a major issue that needs to be addressed. The team can only score touchdowns from 40 yards out. You can’t just put that on the players.
Indianapolis...
Kind of. This exact offense, Arians’, is his own twist, but many of the plays he runs are takes on Tom Moore’s offense in Indy. Not the same, but a tweeked version.
We have had many coordinators, but they ran very similar offense, with only minor changes, thus said continuity. This is really the first time there has been any kind of radical shift in philosophy that I can remember at least.
And in his first year he did use more playcalling from the previous regime. I’ll put it this way. Do you have a dog? When you change dog foods you aren’t supposed to just make the change. You use part of the new part of the old. It keeps the dog as regular as possible, while at the same time slowly making the change you feel is necessary. That’s what Bruce did in 2007. He used his stuff combined with a little Whiz. If you make an immediate change, and just cut off the old food, the dog won’t eat, or will eat reluctantly. This year was the first year Bruce felt comfortable using all of his own stuff, and we’re adjusting still. It’s been rough, but it’s a process.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 17, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'd like to know
how an empty backfield on 3rd and 1 puts us in a position to succeed against any opponent, regardless of their gameplan? Aren’t we supposed to be gameplanning against the opponent’s defense too? Isn’t the success of our offense vs. the opponent’s defense one of the measures of an effective offensive gameplan, and therefore of a capable OC? Have we really dominated any defense we’ve played against this year, even those that are statistically weak? And, shouldn’t the OC be capable of adjusting our offensive strategy during the game if the gameplan’s not working?
Well...
Quite simply, if you throw a pass, and the receiver catches it, it is successful. And on every pass play, there is a chance that that is how it goes down, thus giving us a chance to be successful. However, if you hold onto the ball, and wait, and wait, and wait, for somone to get wide open somewhere, you get sacked. Take a chance with your pass or check it down (Ben).
Yes, a coordinator is supposed to look at offense versus defense success. In the previous season, we beat Cleveland twice. In the first game we scored only through the air, but rushed for 3.75 yards per carry. Not great, but not bad either. In the second game we lost Ben and Leftwich played. We ran the ball even better in that game, but it can be difficult to try and guess how playing the game with a different QB would relate to how this one played out.
If you’re looking to dominate another team, watch college football, because there isn’t a lot of domination going on in the NFL these days. Is there from time to time, yes, of course. But no one dominates regularly, even against teams we “should” beat.
Yes, he should adjust better. But, if you haven’t noticed, we’ve been in some tight games and have been forced to rely on passing it late anyway. That’s a forced adjustment.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Again, look at the timing...
what is the difference in carries per quarter or carries per half. Against the Broncos they ran the ball nearly 3 times as much in the second half.
It’s not how many carries, but when they rush the ball that matters.
I don't know the splits by quarter or half...
So I can’t really speak to how they break down. I do know this, we scored every touchdown through the air in that game, excluding a defensive TD. And when you’re winning, you tend to run more anyways. Plus in the thin air, if you pass to often you end up with a ton of tired receivers. It’s easier to spell a HB than your receiving corps.
I agree, it’s not about how many carries, but what you do with them. I use that line from time to time myself.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
First, I appreciate the debate...
Second, I guess I’m struggling to find a reason why a team as talented as this team cannot win the games they are supposed to win.
In my experience from playing in HS and College, talented teams that lose are ill-prepared. This is mostly due to poor coaching. The talent has been on display at times, but the inconsistency is unbearable.
Always like a good discussion...
I’m a firm believer in you don’t know what you know until you question all of it, thoroughly. And this is how it’s done, so thank you.
I am in the same boat as you. I see a very talented team, loaded to bear, and nothing being done with it. I will never say Arians does not deserve any blame, he does. But too much blame is being put on him for things he can’t tangibly control, in my opinion.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely, but there needs to be a solution...
otherwise the team will continue to struggle. And, I don’t think it’s as easy as saying the players are to blame either.
It’s not like we can replace the whole team. The coaches need to be able to use the players in front of them. It doesn’t seem like BA is adding anything to the team.
You hear about teams being outcoached all the time...
so coaching is extremely important. In the last 2 years our offense has struggled mightily in almost every phase. This is partly due to poor decision-making and partly to poor coaching.
IMHO, there are coaches out there who could bring more success to this team offensively.
I hear you...
I think the main problem is we have fallen into the status quo.
Bruce Arians is stubborn, stubborn to the point of unreasonable. He believes in his gameplan, and doesn’t stray away from it. In some cases, this is an admirable quality. Not in this case. He just needs to be pushed back and challenged to get better and more varied in his gameplan. This is where I blame Tomlin. I don’t expect Tomlin to come in and draw up drive plans, but I do expect him to ride his coaches in order to get the most out of them. In my opinion, Bruce is the smart kid who thinks he knows it all, and is unwilling to listen to anyone else. Well, Tomlin needs to go all Good Will Hunting on him, and make him realize he’s not as smart as he thinks he is.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
You mean like won a Super Bowl?
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I would guess that had nothing to do with the best
defense since the 85 Bears. You know, the one that had to score a touchdown in nearly every playoff game, including the Super Bowl, to help the team win…
It had something to do with it
but give the man credit. I bet you take credit for things you have a hand in, but aren’t the total reason it succeeded.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
You are telling me you never worked in groups
or played on teams where people contributed very little to the outcome.
In a team sport, like football, it’s possible to overcome certain shortcomings.
My point is this…there is something wrong with the offense. What is the easiest solution? You can’t replace the entire team, you can’t “sack” the $100M QB, and the O-line this year will be pretty close, if not identical, to the O-Line next year.
I want an OC who can get the most out of this group and quit wasting opportunities.
uh huh
I hear ya. You sound like a person that has never coached. I’m not saying he’s a great OC but I will give the man credit. Armchari Qb is the easiest position on a team.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I actually have coached...
And, I apologize if this sounds argumentative, but what’s your solution?
It’s ok to be optimistic, but my philosophy when I coach is to concentrate on improving your weaknesses. To use a basketball analogy, if you have a player who can shoot but can’t dribble, do you have him shoot 1000 jump shots a day or focus on ball handling drills.
In the end, something needs to change…you either get better or worse, you never stay the same. I don’t care what it takes to improve, even if it means keeping BA, but there obviously needs to be changes.
I'm not saying I don't agree with you
I am leaning toward getting rid of BA. Haven’t always felt that way and I’m really not sure that’s going to happen.
I think the only solution is for BA to get some innovation in his game plan. It’s hard to think a new thought. Most times we need inspiration. In this case the outcome of what’s been happening on the field should be inspiration enough to copy something someone else is doing that works.
I am never to proud to copy something that works. We used to copy our apponents offense and run it against them. Guess what? Most of the times they couldn’t stop it. Imagine that. LOL
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I forgot an "o" in too
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
and started opponent with an "a"
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
Tell me how being stubborn and unable to adjust leads you to
believe Arians is a good OC. A talented OC should be able to adjust on his own, that’s what he gets paid to do. I totally agree that Tomlin needs to assert more authority, but I would like the captain of my ship (BA) to know when to abandon it when it’s sinking.
He didn't say that.
Read it again.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
If you didn't get it in the original I'm not going to translate
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
If he didn't say BA is a good OC...
then I may have taken it out of context. But, the argument seems to support retaining an OC that needs to be micromanaged. Would you agree?
I think Tomlin has bigger things to worry about the helping his OC select every play.
Yeah
it doesn’t make sense for a Head coach to have to micromanage coordinators.
What I was saying is he didn’t say that being stubborn and unable to adjust made him a good OC. That’s all I was saying.
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I don't want Tomlin micromanaging either...
As I said, I don’t expect him to draw up drive plans, nor do I expect him to hold Bruce’s hand while he does (I added that part in now). And I don’t think Arians is a great OC, and really wouldn’t complain if/ when he gets fired, he’s made his bed already.
What I’m saying is Bruce’s main fault is his inability to embrace change. And it is Mike Tomlins job to persuade him to keep working at it. I think one of Tomlin’s main flaws is his trust levels. While it is good to trust, it is never good to trust too much (again, outsiders perspective, I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors). He trusts Bruce to manage the offense, and trusts him too much in the sense that he doesn’t tell him when he thinks a change needs to be made to said offense. He trusts Hines Ward to be the baller he is, but trusts him too much and allows him to play when hobbled beyond the point of effectiveness (my opinion). He trusts Ben to run the offense, and trusts him too much in a sense because Ben is not the field general that he should be at this point in his career (again, my opinion).
Stubborn OC’s can be a good thing. But as I said in the original post, not in this case. And stubborn (Arians), combined with over trusting (Tomlin) is not a math equation that adds up (so far).
My main point is that I don’t think the players fully grasp Arians offense yet. This could be due in part to the gradual switch we made in playcalling (sometimes continuity can bite you in the arse), or it could be blamed on the plays called themselves, which is the route most commonly taken. My point is, the plays he calls can work, they’re not impossible to do, they just aren’t being ran with a full comprehension of options yet, and that takes time.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 17, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Lot's of valid points all the way around..
I also am a firm proponent of continuity and love the Steelers way of football, but as it’s been pointed out by numerous BA bashers, he’s trying to run an offense that has only been run successfuly by a team that has one of the all-time greatest QBs, a turf field, and a dome.
Again, my problem with BA is not entirely his philosophy. It’s that he is trying to impose his philosophy (the antithesis of Steelers football) with the wrong types of players in the wrong environment.
And by Steelers football I mean mentally and physically tough.
by mactastic07 on Dec 17, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
One word sumation about our inconsistan offense..
O-Line
by nycsteelerfan on Dec 16, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you can pin even half of the problem on the O-Line this year...
Ben holds onto the ball too long and receivers don’t get open all the time. As far as run blocking, I love Heath Miller but he can’t be expected to act like a 6th O-lineman and Matt Spaeth couldn’t block a 3-year old from getting to the cookie jar.
One word: fullback! We don’t attack the defensive line. Why do you think our only successful running play involves a pulling guard. A great running game dominates the point of attack. Our three tight end set is predicated on each man winning a one-on-one match up, which usually puts Spaeth on a linebacker or D-end. Tell me that isn’t a mismatch. The scheme is horrendous.
why not use Johnson?
he seems like he can block? Tank summers??
by nycsteelerfan on Dec 16, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly, why not?
You have to ask the coaches.
Tank is on IR (or at least inactive)...
And we have been using Johnson as a FB and even at TE. He’s been there, look harder.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 16, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, but..
we still have to beat the bottom feeders! That is the mark of a good team…BTW, I dislike the Ravens, but look who they lost to…Colts, pats, Minny, (2) cincy and Greenbay, not exactly lousy teams..
by nycsteelerfan on Dec 16, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Again, look who we beat..
Chargers, Minnesota, Denver…all teams the Ravens lost to. I def agree with you, but there are 2 reasons we can beat the good teams but lose to the bad ones. Coaching and motivation. Tell me what else it could be?
ravens beat denver and sandiego..
they lost to minny and a missed FG..
by nycsteelerfan on Dec 16, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not all his fault, but...
We don’t have a dominant line, so why do we telegraph a running play so often? You guys can see it coming, and so can the defense. If you can’t overpower, you should keep the defense off balance, and you have to adapt to your talent. If you have protection problems, run a draw or a screen. If you want to throw deep but can’t, run the ball to bring the safety up. If your number 2 TE can’t block, stop asking him to block. Put another OT in instead, or put in a FB or something. Stop beating your head against the wall. I believe Arians comes in wanting to throw it deep, and when that is not there, he does not seem like he knows what to do. Or he thinks we can run the ball, but it gets stuffed, now what?
He needs to call plays that his guys can execute. 4 years ago we could run into 8 and 9 in the box. We don’t have the horses anymore, so stop trying.
Arians is not helping the cause, but I think the biggest issue is that Arians and Roethlisberger together are doing what they are comfortable doing.
My biggest complaint with Bill Cowher’s offensive philosophy was that he wanted to attack every team the same way, run the ball, throw if absolutely necessary, sit on a lead. It was a great regular season formula, but it had a lot of issues winning postseason games when other teams had a favorable matchup against the Steeler running game.
It’s a different product now (which has been exhaustively documented on BTSC), but the core problem is the same: the Steelers like to approach every game with the same strategy.
I agree with your comment about Cower football, with the exception of the gamble with Tommy Gun?Malarky. Run the ball come hell or high water. Tomlin said we are going to have a balanced attack. Great. Where did it go this year?
by Steeler Nation VA on Dec 16, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
80/20
80% Ariens
20% other
80% of 7 losses is 5.6.
So the Steelers would be 11-2 or 12-1 right now without Aiens.
That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.
Ok I’ll give him a game or two more 9-4 or 10-3, either of which I would take right now.
If you buy a foreign made product you give money to a person who will not be buying an American made produdt that you get paid to make. Think about it next time you're at the store.
How come no one has a Arians avitar?
I might change mine to him
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I'm working on one in photoshop
It’ll be up tomorrow
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 16, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Never mind
There was a Hitler mustache I was adding but something tells me someone on the internet could be German. I wouldn’t want to offend them.
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 17, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
The post was deleted.
I’m not taking sides, and I’m not forcing either of you to move on. But please try to settle this via email, or through a different forum.
Ya know I learned something today
It doesn’t matter what you say or how you say it. People are always going to find the negativity in everything. I live in this crazy world where we call a bank robber “morally challenged” and a fat guy “differently weighted.” I suppose I need to just stop talking. Because who knows who I’ll offend with a fart and cough? Thank god for pure TV that doesn’t have trash all over it like this forum.
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 17, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not friends again
we never were to begin with. But, I’ll let bygone’s be bygones. I hope your sarcasm radar is on today. I don’t think it is
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 17, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Some things don’t involve PC, but they do involve using your head and recognizing that some pictures actually do speak 1000 words. Tell me you’re not that stupid to think no one would or should be offended. Congrats. I’m out.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
I are not that stoopid
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 17, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Just arrogant.
You’re right. It’s all about “you”. Enjoy.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Wow
Some of you need to refill your prozac
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 17, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
And you...
Sure could use a lesson in tact and diplomacy. You’re lacking in both areas. Had you said that maybe your choice of pictures wasn’t the best and you’re sorry if you offended anyone, but certainly didn’t mean to… maybe you would have been met with a different response. I refuse to have a battle of wits with a clearly unarmed person. Nite SoCal.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
by 1BlkGldFan on Dec 17, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I still think it’s ridiculous. I printed out that picture and showed it to 15 people today. Told them the joke, not one person admitted to being offended. And these were adults. So I guess we have a larger group of sensitives on here than in the real world.
I did say I didn’t mean to offend anyone. Especially the Jews. I said that numerous times but my comments fell on deaf, yet ironically sensitive ears.
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 17, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
I know you think it’s ridiculous. It’s your right to your opinion. If seeing children behind barbed wire waiting to find out their fate is funny (or the way to prove the point of a joke) then you’re right; I’m sensitive. I won’t apologize for being offended by that. I also have to wonder if the 15 adults you showed that picture to today even know what atrocities occurred. Lest we forget. (maybe we’ve done too good of a job of desensitizing as a society when we can find a “good joke” in pictures from the Holocaust?) Call me old fashioned… but that just isn’t funny in my book.
I’m not here to argue with you, SoCal. I support your right to post what you want; but I support my right to tell you it was out of line and in poor taste.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
Sounds good
My rights. Your rights. Right on.
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 18, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
political correctness rules the day..
These are the crappy rules we have to play with..Socal, you have to be careful what you say..I know what you meant ot say, BUT it was in poor taste to post that pic..Be a little more careful to the though police out there..remember 1984? Pretty soon, they will come for you!
Na
I don’t remember 1984. :/ But yes like I said I learned that everyone is going to have a gripe with something. I just didn’t think it was that bad of taste. Boy was I wrong.
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 17, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
hey, this is the climate we live in..
remember, IF you have any right of center leanings, you will be a target! My hubby just retired from the US military as an officer…he had to watch everything he said! Not saying that a pic of the holocast is right of center, but the lefties will have you believe that!
Mike Webster was
He was a beast! so was Dirt Winston! and Dermonti Dawson….There’s 3 true Centers
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
A slight bit of BA defense, but not really
I don’t normally watch too many other football games other than the Steeler’s games, but decided with the importance of last nights game, to watch. I came away from the IND JAX game with this.
Undefeated Indy, with their robotic wunderkind behind center, showed a lot of the same problems that we are having. Their secondary was getting beat, they were missing tackels, ST looked horrible. On offense, their WR were running some bad routes, their TE had a ball bounce through his hands right to the defense for a pick(poor Heath). They got the one play at the end that we are deperately missing this year(a pick with 1:00 left)to close out their opponent.
With regards to OC, we can all see when a play breaks down or the defense had made the correct call. I only saw this occur 3 times the entire game last night. You see this all too often anymore with our offense. There’s something to be said for being stubborn and sticking with what works, but it’s BA’s job to know when to throw in a lil’ innovation. To go against the percentages and what historically worked, and throw the opponent a change up, and catch them off guard. I haven’t see it from BA. It makes it even harder for me to believe that it is more of an execution problem, when you see moments of brilliant play on the field. You know, like when a play actually works.
Man for man, personelle-wise, we have just as much talent and ability, if not more in some respects, as the undefeated Colts. I can only conclude that the weapons we have are not being utilized at the right time, in the right way. Injuries yes, mistakes yes, bad luck sure, but all of this can be overshadowed with more innovative play calling.
The only defense I could have for BA is that I am way off. That he’s doing this, and the men on the field just are not executing. While I’m willing to admit this is a possibility, I just don’t buy into it. Another view is that he needs a FB or 2 HB’s, which I like(Redman) providing extra coverage and a lead blocker.
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 18, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions
You make many a point...
And I hate to pick one thing out of the whole write up to question, but I’ve heard it a few times, not as much recently until now, and I just have to ask…
When has anyone seen Redman actually lead block? And what makes people think he can? I heard a lot of, let him be the FB, why not? While I have to admit we rarely use our FB to lead block (a little more recently with D. Johnson), what is the basis of this perception that he can actually lead block if asked to?
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 18, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I have seen nothing to support his blocking ability
Double set with anybody might help in these regards. I just threw Redman in there as an example/for fun. Actually, more for fun. I was for giving this guy a shot, sorta like some are for Sweed getting more chances. We have a solid RB core, and I understand why he got phased out. My perception is skewd, and therefore, not one to take to the bank. It’s more of the type one would stand behind in line at the liquor store.
At this point I’d prefer more blockers, less options for BB to throw to. If the line is not getting it done, or the right plays are not being called, extra bodies would atleast get in the way of the pass rush. I’ll take the athletisism of our best few recievers over multiple check-down options, that Ben won’t have a chance to get to. That’s one thing it seems he needs to work on, and with so much going wrong right now, work on that next year.
Plus with a double set, opens up opportunities for one to release to the flat and have WR crew out front blocking. Even with all problems we’ve been having, that is one thing they all bring to the table. Hines has set such a good example, and Holmes and Wallace have shown high levels in following suit. Plus it’s fun to watch(I’m selfish).
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 18, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I hear you...
And I’m with you for the most part. Odviously there’s a downside to extra blockers too, but we can blame that on Arians, and the crowds will rejoice.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 18, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
And there was much rejoicing
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 18, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 18, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
cha-ching
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 18, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Colts OC
Just an interesting note that some may not know. Colts “Genius” OC Tom Moore started out as a receivers coach for Chuck Noll. He won rings in XIII and XIV on Noll’s staff.
In 1983 he was promoted to OC and served Noll until 1990. With QBs pulling the trigger such as Mark Malone, David Woodley, Scott Campbell and Bubby Brister, Moore was run out of town on a rail. Funny how with Peyton Manning as the QB he looks genius.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
Very interesting tidbit 5020...
Lots of Steelers influence on those great Indy teams, with the odvious being Tony Dungy. I like it. I have a Colts fan buddy to whom this info will provide many a chops breaking.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 18, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Did not know, good point
The main comparison between IND and PIT that stood out to me was the number of completely broken plays.
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 18, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, and all this aside
Thank you Colts. For beating the Jags.
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 18, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions
+1
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 18, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Right on, but about Tom Moore...
If the only success either of these men have had is with a super-human QB, it begs the question: what makes you think it will work with a QB’s that don’t have a fraction of the in-game IQ that Manning has?
To me, it comes down to knowing your team and understanding the conditions you are playing in. There is a reason the team with the most wins this decade only has 1 SB, they struggle to execute Moore’s high flying offense outdoors in the snow and cold.
BA may well be a genius, but he needs to use the part of the playbook that maximizes this team’s talent. Yes, we have the gunslinger and the WR’s, but we also have a young RB who is starting to earn his stripes and an O-line that is more suited for run blocking. They may not be the best run blockers, but 3 of the 5 were drafted for their toughness and size (Kemo, Colon & Starks), not for their ability to pass set.
Also, Hines was quoted today as saying he didn’’ know if the criticism of BA was “unfair or not.” Although he did say it was on the players to execute, it sounds like they are starting to doubt their OC, too—it’s not just the fans. I may be looking too much into the quote, but it seemed suspect to me. As a former athlete, I know how important it is for your players to buy into the scheme. If they are starting to doubt BA, then it is time to find someone new, because the player’s will continue to question him and his calls.

















