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Thoughts/Musings on the Green Bay Game




A few thoughts/musings on the Green Bay game. I apologize in advance for the ridiculous length.

First the O:

- It’s impossible to overstate how good Big Ben is when he brings his A game to the field. 503 yards, 3 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, 37 points. Ben is Truth. Fun Fact: Big Ben, Y.A. Tittle & Warren Moon are the only NFL QB's to throw for at least 500 yards and 3 TD's w/o an INT. That’s two hall of famers and one in the making.

- Mendenhall made his money burning GB in the passing game to the tune of 6 catches for 73 yards. If you add in the middle screen TD that got called back, then he‘s nearing a hundred yards in receiving alone. This guy is just going to be monstrous in all phases of the RB position. There is a reason everybody thought this guy should have been the second if not first back taken in 2007. Luckily we benefited from Al Davis and Jerry Jones drafting 40 times instead of football players. (Although Felix is just a big play waiting to happen. He just can’t stay healthy).

- However, the lack of confidence Arians shows in him (and in the running game in general) is just reprehensible. Seriously, how do you justify giving this guy ONLY 11 caries? He can grind it out, he’s capable of making the big play, he can stone a blizter and burn you through the air. I have absolutely no idea why he doesn’t get more carries.

I’m not a run for the same of running guy. But with a D that can’t get off the field, a sack prone QB, and a great young running back at your disposal, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t run it more than you do. Still, it’s hard to argue running it more when your passing game can lead to 37 points against the 2nd ranked D in the NFL.

- Ben holds the ball for too long. Ben also makes game changing (and game winning plays) by holding onto the ball past the point of sanity. As Tomlin says, sometimes gunslingers get shot. And sometimes they do the shooting. An almost perfect performance from Ben. Considering many of his incompletions were either drops or him trying to force the ball on the last drive, I don’t think you can underestimate how great of a performance this was. That’s my quarterback.

- Hines Ward is still a great receiver and will probably continue to be for another couple of years. I was critical of Hines dicision to play in the Cleveland game and I honestly think that if you look at the difference between today’s game and the Browns game you’ll see how slowed down and distracted he must have been by the pain. When he’s healthy though he is as clutch and brutal player as you’ll find. And you won’t find that description applied to a WR often.

- We all love you Mike Wallace. Why? It’s not because you don’t sometimes drop balls you should catch. It’s because you’re psychologically tough enough to come back and catch the ones that really matter. Mental toughness is something you have to learn on your own and, it needs to be said, something that no amount of training or performance enchancing drug can give you - it's a special quality that some guys just have. This guy is going to be a good WR for the Steelers for a while.

- Heath is a great TE. Put him in the Pro Bowl. Your ILB’s cannot cover him. He will repeatedly burn you on 3rd and (today) 4th downs. You have been warned.

- Holmes has probably secured himself a new deal during the off season, CBA or no CBA. He’s clearly got what you want in a WR - good route running, very good speed, good blocking, and he’s clutch. He drops too many balls, but like Wallace he doesn’t let the drops affect his play. A great day from him, especially seeing as he was going against Charles Woodson. The run after the catch on the game winning drive was absolutely key for the Steelers.

- The OL has regressed somewhat in the last few games. It’s not that they sometimes get beat on individual assignments - given the talent on the Packer’s D you’re just going to get beaten sometimes. It’s the mental mistakes, the false starts, the missed assignments, the bad communication. On an NFL OL this should not happen or, at least, it shouldn’t happen as often as it has been. I also worry that Hartwig will turn out to be a bad long term investment. He’s a capable stopgap at the position, but he’s not the trench captain you want him to be.

The (very)Special Teams:

- Skippy hit all of his field goals. Robopunter was okay, although he had a shank heard round the world. We didn’t give up any big returns on kick offs and punts. The bobbled kickoff at the end was almost a game ender and certainly took a couple of weeks off my life. Not a bad day, but not a good one either. However, given how poor the ST play usually is, I thnk they should be commended for not screwing up too much. 

- Props to Reed though. His ability to kick at Heinz was the big difference in today’s game. The Chicago debacle seems like a long time ago.

 

The Defense:

- Casey, Keisel, Woodley, and Harrison continue to play at an elite level. Other than the 24 yard touchdown run by Grant (which happened because Harrison got blocked out of the play and Carter was too slow and took too poor of an angle to bring him down) they held up reasonably well against the run. Given that Smith is out this is no small accomplishment. The D has (rightfully) taken a lot of flak for their play much of this year, but we also need to realize there are a lot of guys on it that are playing really, really well right now. Until convinced otherwise, I am going to take the lack of production by Harrison in the last couple of weeks as a sign of respect by OC's. That and obvious and uncalled holding.

- Travis K, Timmons, Burnett, and Hood continue to play okay. Timmons, Hood, and Burnett have considerable upside and given their young age it’s a good sign that they’re still out there gaming. Burnett was tooled a couple of times, he caught a case of the Willie Gay’s, but overall I wasn’t too disappointed with him. Ziggy plays well in spots, but it’s clear that he’s still not entirely comfortable with the position - which is not unexpected given the switch from a 3 technique DT and 5 technique DE is considerable. Timmons is clearly outplaying Farrior, but is still prone too mental errors. By next season we’ll have a much better idea of what to expect from him. I know he takes a lot of heat on here, but I still think Timmons is at this point our best ILB and has the potential to get much, much better.

- Ike’s play is confounding. Sometimes he looks like an honest-to-God shutdown corner. A couple of plays later he looks like he’s doing a William Gay impression. I tend to think that Ike is a good corner, easily our best, but the type of guy that’s prone to mental slumps. And, perhaps, the type of guy that doesn’t give it his all unless he thinks he’s playing a receiver that’s worthy of him.

- Townsend had a couple of good stops. He was mostly invisible though. This means he didn’t make any big plays. But it also means he didn’t screw up royally often.

- Farrior, Gay, Carter, and Clark are all more or less useless in coverage - at least they are when they don’t have Troy to protect them. Much has been said about them and, honestly, I have nothing original to add here. At this point in the season they simply are what they are.

- My private Farrior theory: So, it’s well known that Farrior is intentionally playing lighter this season than the last few. To me this says a couple of things: 1) Farrior realizes his speed isn’t what it once was (there was a time in which his speed was almost as renown as Timmons) and is trying to compensate a bit by getting thinner, 2) One of the consequences of this is that he’s not nearly the player against the run that he once was - he simply doesn’t carry the weight that he used to. An unintended consequence is that he’s getting out muscled by stronger RB’s (Leonard, Rice) and TE’s in coverage. Notice how he simply can’t arm tackle at this point - he simply doesn’t have the muscle to bring somebody down or even slow them much. So, by losing weight he’s become a less than stellar player against the run, and less imposing in match up’s in coverage with stronger guys. I don’t think Farrior is slumping like Ike, I don’t think there’s any coming out of this. James has simply reached the point in his career in which he is no longer a feared ILB Pro Bowl selections be damned.

Overall

- Overall a really good game by the O (not a turnover even) and pretty much the game we expected from the D. While I know many disagree with me, I think Tomlin was absolutely right to go for the onside kick. Some have pointed out that if Ben doesn’t connect with Wallace then that looks like a horrible decision and, by this logic, Ben’s amazing game saved Tomlin’s ass. I want to answer that the only reason Ben got that chance to win the game was because of Tomlin’s guts. There is simply no way that D doesn’t give up at least a field goal to the Packers. Tomlin just made sure there was enough time left for Ben to drive the field. If Tomlin doesn’t call that play, I truly do think we lose this game.

 

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good stuff, and a good point that ben doesn’t have the chance to win the game without tomlin’s call…

by acrollet on Dec 21, 2009 12:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great read!

503 is a very good number. Impressive performance especially without an INT. Just glad we posted in the W column.

When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!

by 1BlkGldFan on Dec 21, 2009 12:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I still want more balance in the Offense but that won't happen until BA is gone

Am I happy with the win most definatly but 11 carries from one of the best young RB, BA as Keyshawn Johnson once said “GIve me the Damn Ball” give the ball to mendy and let him run give the defense a break and run the clock down so we don’t have as many Heart-attack inducing games please

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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 21, 2009 12:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Something to note, per ESPN

Steelers long snapper Greg Warren apparently tore a knee ligament on the final extra point and is likely out for the season.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291220023

by smashtheguitar on Dec 21, 2009 1:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice Analysis

In retrospect, I agree with you about the onside kick. I was appalled when I saw it happen, but now I see the logic. As my wife said as she entered the room to watch a few plays (she watches about fifteen minutes worth of football per year), “Your defense can’t stop anyone.” And the 4th quarter proved the doubters right: our defense looked more like Swiss cheese than the hats the Packers fans wear.

But once again, special teams loused up the fundamentals. I don’t know how often the onside kick is practiced, but isn’t the ten-yard minimum pounded into their heads? It’s typical of the lack of discipline we’ve seen from ST all year. And unlike the defense, ST can’t really blame injuries to star players for their ineptitude. (Though now that they’ve lost Greg Warren, I’m fearful for the FG and punt units.)

Maybe we should go for it on every single 4th down.

Fortunately, the offense got back on track in a big way this game. I remember when opposing defenses used to put 8 in the box and dared our QB’s to throw. Now they drop 8 because 1) Ben can throw his ass off; and 2) Arians can’t spell the word “run” if you spot him the R and the U.

by TURFgeek on Dec 21, 2009 1:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree!

Dang was it good to see Ben come back from where ever he was. I missed that guy, that guy just wins games.

Arians might not be a good OC, but the difference in this game was playmakers making plays, something they haven’t been doing. I don’t think it’s dumb luck that we can throw down games like this. We have the talent to throw the ball that much, and if our defense is capable 37 points is way more than we need to win.

I think this team forgot what it felt like to have to win, let’s hope we beat Baltimore and ruin their season.

by Phantaskippy on Dec 21, 2009 2:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

2 points to counter

First of all….Thank you for your post. Nice thoughts.

Point #1 You mentioned that Santonio Holmes has “very good speed”. I beg to differ as I reference the KC game. Ben threw a pick to Andy freaking Studebaker, a backup LB that got the start against the Steelers. During the pick play, he clearly outran Santonio and if it wasn’t for Mendy, he would of scored. Santonio is “quick”……but, he has good pure speed at best.

Point#2 In your Mike Wallace section, you applaud him for his mental and his psychological toughness. Ok, now stop and fast forward to your Santonio section. You state: “He (Santonio) drops too many balls, but like Wallace he doesn’t let the drops affect his play” So, where are you going with that thought when you just praised Wallace for being mentally tough? I’m thinking you meant Sweed instead of Wallace in your quote. Am I right?

by ToonaSteel on Dec 21, 2009 3:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Scratch point #2!!!!

Just re-read what you wrote about Wallace and you are completely right. I misread your comment and see where you went with that quote
. I still think Holmes only has “good”, not “very good” speed :)

by ToonaSteel on Dec 21, 2009 3:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You might be right about Holmes. I tend to think that the KC near pick-6 was the result of effort, not sheer physical ability. Mendy is a speedy back, especially for a guy that plays with the kind of bulk he does, but I seriously doubt he’s faster than Tone. Still, maybe Holmes really was beat on that.

by BluegrassSteeler on Dec 21, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's ok that...

Santonio doesn’t have very good speed. He has adequate speed. To counter that, he is very quick and has great football situational awareness. He is a “football player” and makes big plays at big times. I am so thankful we have him. Give him the contract.
Originally, I was worried about him as a rookie with all this raw talent that we traded up for only later to know he has had some disciplinary issues at the Ohio State Univ and a few different kids to some different Moms, then the ganga incident in his SUV. Santonio is what happens when he is mentored by someone like Hines Ward and surrounded by good, positive influences in the best pro sports team. He could of easily gone down the other path had it not been for Hines and the Steelers

by ToonaSteel on Dec 21, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

im still drunk

by Steelchamps !! on Dec 21, 2009 5:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Dec 21, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice article bluegrass

I agree with everything you said and I do not know what to add to it. Great to finally win!

Optimism. Positivity. Win.

by Johnny_S on Dec 21, 2009 9:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts

Here’s my hodgepodge of thoughts…

1. Bruce Arians is not done with this team. I’d be very surprised to see him fired this offseason. Yes we can all scream and shout about being more balanced, but clearly this coaching staff saw something they liked in the packers secondary. On a day where the offense puts up 37 points I will not complain about play calling. It’s pointless to do so. The offense was winning it’s matchups all day long. Credit BA for incorporating the half-back screens. We hadn’t seen many of these any they were working quite well and I think Mendy will bring this back to the offense.

2. Gay and Ty Carter are killing this team. Ike may have his bone headed moments and Clark may go for the hit too often, but they’re good players. Gay and Carter look like subs at best.

3. Agree on Holmes. The man has become such a playmaker for this offense. Amazing.

4. Ben proved BA and Tomlin right to not throw the ball away… I still think he can learn a bit about this, but I liked his moving to Mendy more often. After a week where Ben couldn’t get away from anyone, he made some plays on his feet today.

5. Good challenge by Tomlin on Ben’s fumble/incompletion. I wondered about it at first, and infact I think Ben was pump faking, but tuck rule prevails.

6. The on-side kick looks good enough in retrospect. I wondered for Tomlin’s sanity on that one, but fact is he isn’t lying when he says he will do anything he believes will help him win football games. He makes no bones about the fact that he doesn’t care about following the safe standards.

7. I wonder what Lebeau can do with this secondary. I feel like he almost needs to attack the QB more than ever. Bring 5 guys on every play. You can’t count on more people being back there as being helpful. See point 2. I’m not sure how good Mundy would be, but he can’t be much worse than Ty.

8. I disagree a bit on Farrior. He’s definitely lost a step in coverage, no disagreement there, however I think he’s still playing the run quite well. Add to that I think he’s rushing the passer extremely well this year. I just wish we had an answer for the quicker backs out of the backfield he has to cover.

9. Sorry to hear about Greg Warren. I’m hoping Reftowski is still in shape.

10. Good to see the Big Legursky in at fullback on the goal line again. 2 plays he’s been at that position 2 touchdowns. Coincidence? I think not. (actually I probably think so, but I like the big body back there)

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 21, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bruce Arians

is very lucky he has Ben as a QB. I’d still get rid of him. running the ball 19 times is unacceptable and not steelers football. Very few teams win like that, I can only think of two who one the super bowl like that, rams & pats (and i’m guessing here).

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Dec 21, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with a more balanced attack

but at this point, whatever gets us a W

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Dec 21, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

I’ll never call an offensive gameplan that scored 37 points unacceptable. To me that’s unacceptable and not steelers defense to allow an opponent score 36… Similar to I don’t care if we switch defensive philosophies if the amount of points remains low.

I’m not saying I think BA’s a great coordinator, cause I’m still not sure. I know I disagree with some of his situational play calling, but really I’m starting to buy into some of his schematics. I like some of the play design, I just don’t like when it’s called. For example on 2nd down I always want a back in the backfield. I hate spreading the back out wide cause it let’s the defense know 100% it’s a pass of some sort.

But again… He’s doing enough to put points on the board when the players do their jobs as well.

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 21, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What is the point of being good schematically if you don't know when to call the plays...

I pointed this out in another post, but the offense managed 3 field goals in the second half and no touchdowns until the final drive.

My criticism of BA stems from the fact that I believe he can get more out of this offense. The way the Packers were playing on defense we should have been able to put up 49 points, at least. We need more drives that result in TDs, not FGs.

Is it too much to ask for an OC with a good scheme who knows when to call the right play?

by mactastic07 on Dec 22, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we could run the ball

We’d be able to to keep opposing offenses off the field, which would definitely help us win football games

Pound the rock

by syracusepittfan on Dec 21, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

good stuff

"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.

by kick him in the head on Dec 21, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

on BA, Legursky, Farrior

I want us to win games but I hope outings like this don’t save Bruce Arians’ job. I will admit i absolutely adored MeMo in the snugs (I think thats it) set and the pass to him and the Legursky set with rush hard at the goal line, but he doesn’t do it consistently. If he saves his job in this last few weeks I will be utterly disgusted no matter how many wins we get.

Farrior, he is good rushing the passer this season, a little soft in run D and absolutely horrid in pass d. However, why does Lebeau have him rushing from the outside on some of these blitzes? He’s not strong enough to out muscle the worst left tackle in the nfl, Chad Clifton (in my opinion). He got bullied and pushed to the ground at least two times I saw by the mighty Chadillac. He should only be rushing stunts up the middle with harrison. Harrison looked like he was about to clock that fucker that was smiling in his face. How dare he smile at him!?

by klompus on Dec 21, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and if we had a special teams coach worth 20 bucks a year, we would have gotten that onside kick

it was executed perfectly and theres no one that could convince me that if Ike had waited a yard more (i.e. was coached better!) he still wouldn’t have got that ball.

by klompus on Dec 21, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Farrior's weight

I thought it was just the opposite of what you wrote Bluegrass. I thought I read in preseason how Farrior knew he lost too much weight last year, and was going to try to play a bit heavier this year. If I’m right, that might be part of the explanation why he looks a bit slower this year (the other part being just age). Also, he’s been wearing a brace on his left arm. Looks like he might have strained some ligaments in his elbow. Could that account for the drop off in his tackling ability? It’s even harder to arm tackle with only one good arm.

by MelBlunt on Dec 22, 2009 7:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post

Only a couple of things I don’t agree with (and the onside kick has been discussed way too much already).

I agree that Ben is the most gifted QB in the NFL today. But surely someone can teach him just to run the ball outside of the tackles and throw the ball away when there’s no play downfield. Not exactly rocket science and a basic skill for mobile QBs and not-so-mobile QBs in the league. In fact, Tomlin should insist that Ben develops this ability. I doubt seriously that not taking so many costly sacks will hurt his big-play ability.

by Billy52 on Dec 21, 2009 9:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

you still stand by the

""who cares if we make the playoffs" im just wonderin: is all

by Steelchamps !! on Dec 22, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where is the Running Game in the 4th Quarter

I agree with your analyis. Especially about running the ball.

With 7:49 left on the clock, down by 1, ball on our own 31 why did we panic and only run the ball once for 11 yards (which was called back for holding). 6 consecutive pass plays (including the play BB scrambled which was called back for holding). We kicked a FG and gave the ball back with 3:58 left on the clock. Run the ball, chew up the clock. This has been the problem all year. If we control the ball in the 4th quarter, the other team can’t drive down the field and score with no time left. GB just screwed up and scored too fast.

Is BA more enthralled with passing statistics than winning?

by Steeler Nation VA on Dec 21, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

very good point

sometimes the best defense is a offense, if you can control the clock, chew up time, the offense can’t anal rape your secondary. Its easy.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Dec 22, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

but I can’t stand the way our defense is playing, its ubsurd, I’ve never seen a defense this bad that wore black and gold.

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Dec 22, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts pn BA

Although it’s easy to attack Arians, and I admit he drives me crazy at times, especially every third and two situation, the stats don’t lie. The Steelers offense is ranked higher this year overall than they’ve been during Ben’s entire tenure. Maybe it’s not “Steeler Football,” but that doesn’t mean it’s not effective. I admit the Browns game was embarrassing, but in both the Raiders and Packers games, the offense came up big in the fourth quarter. Although I worship Dick LeBeau, the defense has been more problematic this year than the offense.

by Steelerfaninboston on Dec 23, 2009 8:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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