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A View from the SteelCage… If coaching changes are made, who would would best




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          When Mike Tomlin was hired to replace Cowher in 2007, the Steelers saw a firesale in the coaching staff.  Tired of waiting for the answer, Ken Whisenhunt, the Offensive Coordinator, left the team to become Head Coach of the Arizona Cardinals.  Russ Grimm, the Asst Head Coach and Oline Coach was the heir apparent, the Pittsburgh Tribune even printed a front page report saying he would be named head coach the following week.  When it was announced that relative unknown Mike Tomlin was hired vice Grimm, a spurned Grimm followed Whiz to Arizona.  Also departing Pittsburgh for Steelers West was Special Teams Coach Kevin Spencer.  However, these weren’t the only coaches hightailing it out of Heinz Field, D-Backs Coach Darren Perry went to Oakland for two years and is now the Safeties Coach for this week’s opponents (Green Bay Packers).  Perry’s contributions to the Steelers cannot be undervalued as he helped develop Polamalu, Taylor, and Chris Hope, who departed the Steelers to become a Pro-Bowler himself with the Titans.  For those that don’t’ remember Perry’s playing days, he led the Steelers his rookie season with 6 interceptions and is 7th on the Steelers all-time list with 32.  Also, QB Coach Mark Whipple, departed for the Eagles and is now the OC for University of Miami.  While those losses certainly hurt, the final loss was also painful, as Dick Hoak finally hung up the cleats for good, retiring as the Runningbacks Coach after almost as many years with the Steelers as the Rooney family.  Tomlin was an up-and-comer, but certainly not a known entity, was forced to fill those vacant positions.  As the Steelers were one of the last teams to hire their new head coach, most of the other new Head Coaches had already filled their staffs.  Tomlin being a new guy didn’t have a huge following of former colleagues to choose from, was short on time with the late hiring, and had to win over a team that was disappointed and in some cases (Faneca) quite upset that Grimm or Whiz were not hired.  Under those circumstances, Tomlin and Colbert had to make hirings and internal promotions I don’t believe they would have otherwise.  Here is a list of the former coaches and their replacements:

 

OC – Whisenhunt replaced internally by WR Coach Bruce Arians.  This, in my opinion, was to limit offensive turnover and appease the offensive guys who would have all been angry if they also had to deal with an outsider at OC.

ST – Kevin Spencer replaced by Bob Ligashesky.  What can I say folks, he was available.

OL – Russ Grimm (Also Asst Head Coach) replaced by Larry Zierlein.  As a Marine, I have to respect Zeirlein for serving during Vietnam.  A known entity in the NFL and a good technique teacher, but otherwise, there is a reason he has bounced around more than a super ball in a hotel staircase.  (Note:  The Asst Head Coach Position went rightfully to DL Coach Jon Mitchell.)

WR –Bruce Arians promotion left opening.  Replaced by Randy Fichtner.

RB – Dick Hoak replaced by Kirby Wilson, who Tomlin knew from his time in Tampa Bay.  Hired because he was known to Mike Tomlin, something he needed as a first time head coach with a staff comprised half of Cowher holdovers and half fillers.  Only other coach on the staff to truly know Mike Tomlin was LB Coach Kevin Butler who coached with him at both Memphis and Arkansas State.

QB – Mark Whipple replaced by Ken Anderson.  Ken Anderson is a good hiring.  His development of Roethlisberger is only being hindered by the style of the offense (throw the ball away sometimes).  A good look at the benefits of a good QB is that our 3rd string QB almost pulled off a win against the Ravens if not for the brilliant overtime playcalling.  Dixon’s development into a real number 2, maybe future NFL starter can be attributed to Ken.

 DB – Darren Perry replaced internally by Asst DB coach Ray Horton.  With the offense seeing nearly complete turnover, the defense needed continuity, to they kept Horton around hoping Perry had rubbed off on him.

 

Another hiring was Harold Goodwin, Quality Control – Offense and Asst O-Line coach.  I can’t find who he replaced and can’t fault him for our struggles so this will be the last you hear me talk about his position in this post.  If you look at our problems this year, it is those positions that have been replaced.  So, I will start with the coaches I think could be on the chopping block possibly, with least likely going first.  The following coaches could be or are definitely on the block:  WR, RB, DB, OL, ST, OC.  We will look at some candidates after the jump.  It is a little lengthy but hopefully that will lead to some good discussions.

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WR Coach Randy Fichtner

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Reason Unlikely – The emergence of Santonio Holmes as a star, continued consistency of Hines Ward, and fast start to Mike Wallace’s career.

Reason Possible – Mike Tomlin and Bruce Arians were both WR Coaches and Hines Ward is another coach on the field, so they are likely involved some in the WR development.  The "details" have been lacking and in the past three years we have had more dropped passes and blown routes than I can remember.  Also, Limas Sweed has potential that a good WR Coach should be able to develop.

 

Replacement – I am only listing one guy because I think this is the least likely, but I think this hiring would greatly benefit both the Steelers and Mike Tomlin.  Charlie Williams, WR Coach for University of North Carolina.  First, Tomlin’s first year with the Buccaneers what Williams’ last, so they know each other.  Second, since returning to the college coaching ranks, Williams has coached at South Carolina, Arizona, and now UNC, developing the following players:  Troy Williamson (Vikings), Mike Thomas (Jaguars rookie and Arizona star) and from UNC the following strong rookie class:  Hakeem Nicks (NYG), Brandon Tate (Titans), and Brooks Foster (St. Louis).  Nicks and Tate are legitimate NFL WRs.  I especially like this because Nicks is very similar to Sweed in size, speed and route running and Nicks had some drop issues early in his UNC career he was able to fix. 

Bio

http://tarheelblue.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/williams_charlie00.html

 

RB Coach Kirby Wilson

 

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Reason Unlikely – The running game is vastly improved with Mendy, who is a three down back,

something we haven’t had in a long time.  You are hearing this here first, if he stays healthy, Mendy will break Barry Foster’s single season rushing record from 1992, 1690 yards.

Reason Possible – Someone needs to get on Mendy about tucking the ball in before we fans all

lose our minds during games.  And how did MeMo’s blocking get worse?  Is it a lack of efforrt?  More importantly, why did it take the head coach to motivate a first round pick to be "on the details".  That should never have had to happen.

 

Replacement – I feel this is a little more likely to happen than WR so I will give two candidates without leaving Pittsburgh.

 

Candidate 1 – David Walker, Runningbacks Coach – Pitt

 

For the last five years has helped develop one of the more consistent rushing teams in the country.  Prior to that he was the RB coach at Syracuse where he coached four consecutive 1000 yard rushers, the only time in Syracuse history that has happened.  At Pitt,  was instrumental  in the progress of LeSean McCoy, current Eagles rookie and LaRod Stephens-Howling, Cardinals rookie.  Would make a strong addition as a teacher of the position and could further develop Mendy, MeMo, and whoever are our third RB and FB (I heard this position could exist on the Steelers next season).

Bio 

http://www.pittsburghpanthers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/walker_david00.html

 

Candidate 2 – The longshot – Jerome Bettis – SI.com Analyst, Former Steeler and Future HOF RB

 

Normally, this would make no sense.  Very few players that transition to the booth or to sport analyst want anything to do with the long hours of coaching, but I think the Bus might be the exception.  His first gig as a TV analyst failed after one season.  He is now writing a column "The Bus Stop" for SI.com.  Since he started this in September, he has written 14 total articles.  Of those 14, the Steelers have been in the subject line of 5 of them and have been mentioned in 9 of the other 11.  I am not talking about just relating something to his time with the Steelers, which many former players do, but I am talking about actually talking up 2 out of 10 paragraphs or so.  Some of that has to do with the train-wreck that has been this season, but he was a homer when we were 6-2 as much as now.  I think his love for the Steelers could be enough to coax him out of retirement.  Couldn’t hurt to ask him, and his presence would bring some necessary toughness to the RBs.  He could mentor Mendy, and help him to wrap the ball up, and his presence could convince Fast Willie to take a hometown discount having seen the Bus do the same.  This would save the Steelers some headaches in the offseason trying to find a viable free agent RB or having to reach to draft one.

 

DB Coach Ray Horton

 

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Reason Unlikely – He has been here in feast and in famine.  Troy’s injury and lack of personnel to cover for such a huge loss caused the downfall. 

Reason Possible – Regardless of who has been injured, the Defensive Backfield has been BAD!  I still love Ike as a man corner, but he needs top-cover.  Ryan Clark and Willie Gay have been less than impressive.  Ryan Mundy has not even come close to developing and our 3rd round corner can’t win a special teams job when he is a spitting image of last year’s starting corner (McFadden).  Development of players is flat out lacking.

 

Candidate 1 – Charlie Harbison – Co-DC/DB Coach, Clemson

 

In his second stint at Clemson, he has two players in the top fifteen (DeAndre McDaneil with 8 and Rashard Hall with 6) in interceptions and one of the strongest defensive backfields in the nation.  Has coached at Alabama, Southern Miss, LSU etc and was the coach for the following NFL players: Fernando Bryant, Brian Dawkins, Dexter McCleon, Corey Webster, to name a few.   His development of Safeties in particular should be noted.

 

http://clemsontigers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/harbison_charlie00.html

 

Candidate 2 – Carnell Lake – DB coach, UCLA

 

I know, this is the second former Steeler on the list, but this one actually has some credence.  He went through the NFL Coaching intern program with the Eagles two seasons ago and is in his first season coaching with the Bruins.  Guess what, the only playerin the nation with more picks than Clemson’s McDaniel is UCLA’s Rahim Moore and they have another guy with 5 picks.  It appears he can coach as well as he played.  Remember, lots of older cornerbacks transition to safety, but pick another safety who can switch mid-season to corner and make the Pro Bowl (although he made it as a safety it was because of what he was able to do when he slid over to CB when Woodson was injured).

 

http://www.uclabruins.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/lake_carnell00.html

 

OL Coach Larry Zierlein

 

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No reason to debate possibility, this is almost a done deal.

 

Now for candidates, this gets interesting because there are tons of guys and opinions out there.  Some BTSC posters have provided imput on other posts (StoneColdSteve in particular) mentioned Bob Bostad, OL coach, Wisconsin, Jack Bicknell Jr (NYG Asst Oline coach), and Jim Hueber (Vikings Asst Oline Coach).  Well, these all come from one of three groups I will discuss:  The Boston College O-Line Coaching Tree, the Wisconsin O-Line Coaching Tree, and the SteelCage Wildcards.

 

Boston College Tree – So, the guy at BC now is in his first year so I am excluding him.  Jack Bicknell, Jr was the Asst HC/Oline Coach at BC from 2006-2008.  He was also the center for Doug Flutie’s Hail Mary being a BC Olineman himself.  He is largely responsible for the development of Gosder Cherilus, 17th draft pick of the Lions in the 2008 draft.  Prior to that, 22 of his players were either drafted by or signed free agent contracts with NFL teams.  Not going to be easy to pry him away from the Giants after only one year.  Before him was Don Horton, the current Oline Coach with NC State who was at BC from 2003-2006.  Look at the list on his Bio of NLF players coached, in my opinion he was the backbone of the Oline reputation BC garnered and Bicknell just continued with his work.  Would be a welcome addition if he would be willing to work NFL hours at 52 years old (when the season starts) with two daughters under 6 years old.   Horton is the easier sell.

 

Bicknell Bio

http://www.giants.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=27

Horton Bio

http://www.gopack.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9200&ATCLID=742297&

 

Wisconsin Coaching Tree – Bob Bostad has had a few guys really get some attention (including our 3rd round pick and former All-American Kraig Urbik).  But he has only been the OL Coach at Wisconsin for two year (two years prior he was the TE Coach), too short to say he is responsible, although he certainly didn’t hurt the Wisconsin reputation.  Before him was current UCLA OL Coach Bob Palcic who coached from 2006-2008 and is responsible for Joe Thomas.  At his other coaching stops he has coached more all-pro tackles than you can count, Jonathan Ogden and Tony Boselli to name two.  Think he could help Starks and Colon, maybe not, but he could identify a good replacement for them.  Before him at Wisconsin was Jim Hueber, Asst OL Coach with the Vikings.  He is really the reason for the Wisconsin reputation, as Hueber spent the 1995-2005 seasons coaching the Wisconsin linemen.  The hard part would be convincing him to leave the north which he obviously loves (coached the Golden Gohpers before Wisconsin) and convincing the Vikings to let him go.  Palcic of UCLA is the best bet in my opinion of these three.

 

Bostad Bio

http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/bostad_bob00.html

Palcic Bio

http://www.uclabruins.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/palcic_bob00.html

Hueber Bio

http://www.vikings.com/team/coaches/jim-hueber/b5a1f93a-3fcd-4f17-8d50-12c1ace82099

 

SteelCage Wildcards

 

Candidate 1 – Reese Morgan, OL Coach, Iowa

 

For the past seven years, while Iowa has been turning heads on the football field, Reese Morgan has been quietly building a stable of NFL Caliber OLinemen, including two good looking tackle prospects this year in Bryan Bulaga and Kyle Calloway.  While he flopped as a tackle, Raiders Robert Gallery was playing Guard at a Pro Bowl level prior to injury this season.  Prior to coaching the linemen, he coached TE for three years at Iowa as well.  His first NFL success was actually TE Dallas Clark.  Not a bad resume and I think this guy may be the best overall candidate unless…

Morgan Bio 

http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/morgan_reese00.html

 

Candidate 2 – Dermontti Dawson, Scouting Intern, Pittsburgh Steelers

 

Already in the organization and the second of the legendary "three".  He said he wanted to get back into football last season, but coaching was too much time with his children entering middle school.  Kevin Colbert said his scouting staff was full but he would take him on as an intern.  Could this have been Colbert’s way of keeping him with the Steelers in case Zierlein didn’t pan out this year?  Could Dawson be convinced to coach if it was OL for his beloved Steelers?  If so, Colbert would not only be looked at as a great draft guy, but also as a shrewd personnel manager.  Here’s to hoping.

 

ST Coordinator Bob Ligashesky

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Another foregone, and I emphasize for-GONE, conclusion.  Our special teams units look anything but special.  Once again, the first two guys are courtesy of StoneColdSteel.

 

Candidate 1 – Bobby April, Asst HC/ST Coordinator, Buffalo Bills

 

As noted by SCS "the Bills special teams unit has been ranked number 1 in the NFL three out of the past five years. "  Bobby April is a huge reason for this and would be a great addition.  However, I see this as unlikely.  While SCS noted they will likely be starting over, I don’t think April will want to throw away the Asst HC title unless it is for a really good reason, like a HC position.

Bio 

http://www.buffalobills.com/team/coaches/bobby-april/f9bc1d76-529e-4de2-aafc-3ac22b2cfd3f

 

Candidate 2 – Dan Sharp, ST Coordinator/TE Coach, TCU

 

TCU has the number one KR and number 20 PR team in Division 1 Football.  His kicker is 14 for 17 and his freshman punter has placed over 55 percent of his kicks inside the 20 with only 7 touchbacks in 54 attempts.  Once again, I am not sure how likely this is.  He has two younger children and both he and his wife are from Texas and he is a TCU graduate.  As TCU has had good special teams for the past few years, it is hard to believe he hasn’t been given a chance in the NFL unless he was not interested.  I would definitely gauge his interest though.

Bio 

http://gofrogs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sharp_dan00.html

 

Alternate Candidate 1 – Mike Elston, Asst HC/ST Coordinator/DL Coach, University of Cincinnati

 

Whereas TCU is 1st in KR and 20th in PR, Cincinnati is 2nd and 19th respectively.  The Bearcats, behind two-time Associated Press all-America punter Kevin Huber, have led the nation in net punting in each of the past two seasons.  Additionally, with Cincinnati HC Brian Kelly taking over for Charlie Weiss as HC at Notre Dame and OC Jeff Quinn taking over for Turner Gill as HC at University of Buffalo, now is the perfect time to make a run for Elston, who is likely on his way out of Cincinnati.  I think he could follow Kelly to ND, but the move from Cincinnati to Pittsburgh is shorter.

Bio 

http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/elston_mike00.html

 

Wildcard Candidate – Demonti Cross, Asst ST Coordinator/Asst LB Coach

 

Works with the OLB in Buffalo and assists Bobby April working primarily with the gunners on the coverage teams.  He is in his fourth season with the Bills and prior to that was the LB Coach and ST Coordinator with Iowa State from 2001-2005.  A young riser ala Tomlin, could be exactly what the ST units need, some fresh ideas from the young buck.

Bio 

http://www.buffalobills.com/team/coaches/demontie-cross/0934ae21-fcec-4bc2-8f69-83a9088a3f99

 

Offensive Coordinator Bruce Arians

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Say what you want about the stats put up by our offense, situational play calling has killed the Steelers as has Arians unimaginative offensive scheme.  We have struggled with balance on and off, scoring consistently, and 3rd down conversions have been abysmal.  Everyone has had something to say about who should fill this position, so let me first get the "Not gonna happen" coaches out of the way.

 

The Shanahans (Mike and Kyle)

 

Mike Shanahan (former HC Broncos) is in serious talks with the Redskins about taking over the HC job there.  If not the Skins, it will be another team.  He will not take a position that isn’t HC.  As for his son, Houston Texans OC Kyle Shanahan, rumor has it he will follow his dad wherever he ends up to be Mike’s OC.

 

Chan Gailey (fired as Chiefs OC during offseason)

 

Cowher’s choice as his successor, Gailey had some success with the Steelers in the past.  However, much like Kyle Shanahan, I think Gailey will end up Cowher’s OC wherever he ends up.

 

Mike Mularkey, OC, Falcons/Pete Carmichael Jr., OC, Saints

 

As the OC for the Falcons, Mularkey has a young stud QB, RB, HOF TE, and rising WR.  He isn’t going anywhere unless it is to give HC another try.  Carmichael is in a similar situation.  Brees, Colston, Bell, Thomas…Why would he leave for a non-HC job.  Just my opinion folks.

 

Russ Grimm, Asst HC/Running Game Coordinator/OL Coach

 

He is not an OC.  Not even longtime colleague and buddy Ken Whisenhunt would turn over the reins to him.  One of the top OL Coaches in the league, I still think he left Pittsburgh too angry to return.  Plus, I think it would cause more splitting in the locker room, the exact opposite of what Tomlin needs.

 

Mike Martz, Gary Kubiak, Steve Mariucci

 

Let the West Coast Offense guys stay on the West Coast.  It can and does work, but in Pittsburgh in December, especially with the drops that have plague us this season, do you really want to dink and dunk or ground and pound.

 

Norm Chow, OC, UCLA/Mark Whipple, OC, Miami (FL)

 

 

Total YPG (Rank)

Pass YPG (Rank)

Rush YPG (Rank)

PPG (Rank)

3rdDn% (Rank)

339.3 (88)

236.8 (48T)

116.4 (98)

21.3 (99T)

34.1 (90)

412.5 (36T)

287.3 (25)

144.4 (62)

31.7 (27)

44.6 (14)

 

The top one is Norm Chow, so can we just say no now and leave it at that.  UCLA is nowhere near the top in any category.  Mark Whipple and Miami (FL) is the second line and it is very respectable.  His hiring might be a good thing as Big Ben will be miffed to lose BA, but how will this affect Ken Anderson?  And would bringing someone back who left after the Cowher regime rebuild confidence, or lead players to the belief that the Rooneys and Colbert made the wrong decision with Tomlin?  I think that would be reason enough to not do this hiring.

The Dream of many versus the Dream of SteelCage

 

Total YPG (Rank)

Pass YPG (Rank)

Rush YPG (Rank)

PPG (Rank)

3rdDn% (Rank)

451.8 (9)

337.9 (5)

128.3 (86)

30.1 (38)

39.1 (46)

441.4 (13)

221.1 (74)

224.3 (11)

36.2 (10)

45.5 (11)

465.2 (5)

292.7 (19)

190.4 (25)

33.9 (14)

48.4 (4)

 

The first line is Charlie Weiss’ Notre Dame.  His pass first offense couldn’t outscore the two more balanced offenses listed, and his third down percentage suffered the same fate.  Ranking 86th in rushing is the last straw for me, let someone else have him, he is nothing without Belichick.  The second line would be what the NFL would like most, the best storyline.  Who is our greatest rival right now, the Baltimore Ravens with HC John Harbaugh.  Why has no one thought about his brother Jim Harbaugh, HC Stanford (and the second line) as a possibility?  A run first coach who’s big dog Gerhart led the nation in rushing.  They are top 13 in every category except for passing, which needs some work.  However, he is a former NFL QB who could complete the molding of Big Ben.  Could be a special merger.  And think how the NFL would love this one, like Peyton versus Eli except twice a year and bitter divisional rivals.

 

Harbaugh Bio

http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/harbaugh_jim00.html

 

But that last line screams hire me.  Top 25 in all categories, with top 5 in Total YPG and 3rd Down Percentage.  Can you say Texas A&M Head Coach Mike Sherman.  This only makes more sense when you think about it.  Brett Favre is a gunslinger similar to Big Ben.  Some of his best statistical seasons were under Sherman from 2000-2005.  In 2003, Ahman Green set the Green Bay single season rushing record with 1883 yards.  A return to balance would be monumental.  He was an OT in college and started his coaching career coaching OL, a Steelers problem area.  Add in the fact that the Steelers asked and received permission from the Houston Texans to interview Mike Sherman (who was the Texans OC at the time) for the head coaching job but never interviewed him, and I think he would make a great OC for the Steelers.  Also, if by some chance Tomlin is on the chopping block, and I doubt that, Sherman and Harbaugh would be my 1 and 2 for that position as well.

 

 

Bio 

http://www.aggieathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sherman_mike00.html

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Next Time on A View from the SteelCage…Capology 101

 

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I would take any of those guys to work in the orginzation

the Idea od Dermontti Dawson coaching the OL has me thinking we could have a great OL again like we did from about the mid 90’s to about 2-3 years ago

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by WVPiratesfan on Dec 21, 2009 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

Nice!

Great post.
I don’t think Tomlin’s job is in jepardy. I think he was saddled with Arians from the get-go. I agree with all the positions that you mentioned, but am sceptical that the Steelers would make that many changes in one year.

The most interesting coach you mentioned, to me, is Dawson. I think that teams are built from the line out. A better O-line is a must.

As far as offensive coordinator, I would like to see a young up-and-comer. Someone with lots of energy and acreative mind while still being rooted in the run philosophy. But, still able to use Ben’s God given talents.

by WyoFan on Dec 21, 2009 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

Great post

Any of these people would be an improvement over our current OC, OL, ST and DB coaches.

Can somebody forward it to Tomlin and Colbert?

by Steeler Nation VA on Dec 21, 2009 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

WOW

What a superb post. Great effort SteelCage.

When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen

by 5020 on Dec 21, 2009 9:10 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed, thought provoking, well researched post

A couple of thoughts:

I met DL/Asst. HC John Mitchell a few years ago at the Steelers’ fantasy camp. Very impressive gentleman. I can’t help but think he has played a far bigger role in the team’s success than is usually acknowledged.

Also, I can’t see much reason to can Randy Fichtner. The development of Wallace this year and Nate Washington last could be evidence that he can teach young WRs. Hard to hold him accountable for Limas’ hands.

by MelBlunt on Dec 21, 2009 9:12 PM EST reply actions  

Agree the WR and RB coaches are keepers. I also think that Kenny Anderson has done a good job helping BB. I just think the play calling is the problem problem.

by Steeler Nation VA on Dec 21, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree on Mitchell

Having coached 3-4 Defenses, getting three space eaters consistantly is not easy. It is totally different to coach a guy to not shoot the gaps but to maintain two gap responsibility. As for Fichtner and Wilson, I don’t think either needs to go or has done a bad job, but I could see them being upgraded if or when their contrats are up.

"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula

by SteelCage on Dec 22, 2009 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice job

That was a great post. My only issues would be that I doubt that a college HC will accept an NFL OC position, especially at a major university. While Stanford and Texas A&M aren’t college powerhouses, you’re still unlikely to be able pull an HC from either of them, unless those coaches are getting canned. I think you could look at one of the position coaches around the league, maybe Ken Anderson, or successful OCs in the college ranks. Also, I don’t think you can interview a coach for a lateral move without permission from the team he’s with. Just another reason to rule out Mularkey and Carmichael. I wouldn’t go after Gailey either, because although he was innovative with Stewart, he may not be as good with Ben. Totally different players.

But, every other position, I thought you had some solid ideas.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Dec 21, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

Couldn't disagree more on not leaving for OC jobs

Sherman was the GM/President/Head Coach of the Packers and when he was fired he took the OC job for the Houston Texans. Huge drop. For some guys that might be true but I think Sherman would consider it. Also, for Harbaugh, he has shot down multiple “rumors” that he was being talked to by other colleges which could indicate he is looking for the next step in the ladder. Taking an NFL OC job would allow teams to see if his college success could translate into the pros, something that a lot of non-Davis owned teams are wary of (because of the failure of guys like Spurrier, Saban, and Carroll in the NFL). After 2-3 successful years in the NFL as an OC, Jim Harbaugh would have some NFL success on his resume and would likely be a hot commodity.

"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula

by SteelCage on Dec 22, 2009 3:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Two things

First, Sherman was fired. It’s not uncommon to see fired HCs go back to coordinator positions because nobody wants to hire them. That’s clearly not the same thing as talking a guy out of leaving a position that he’s not in danger of losing. In fact, wasn’t he hired by Texas A&M from Houston? That would indicate that he believes a college head job is a step up from NFL OC.

Second, it may be true that Harbaugh would be willing to take an OC job if he is interested in becoming an NFL HC. But, the fact that he’s not talking to other colleges doesn’t necessarily mean he is interested in the NFL. Maybe he likes Stanford. Also, teams are wary of college coaches now, but a couple more years of several former coordinators going the way of Cam Cameron will have that pendulum swung back for a year or two. He may also still see it as a drop in prestige. If he’s fired, he’d consider it, I’m sure. But not if his job is safe.

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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Dec 22, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Fantastic Stuff

Some other names I thought about when reading through this.

For OL Coach: Tony Bosseli and Bruce Matthews. I don’t know what either of them are doing, but just the thought of getting some attitude like theirs coaching our line intrigues me.

DB Coach: Rod Woodson – Rod has talked up LeBeau for a long time and loved playing for him and excelled. We could get Rod in to coach up the CBs and S and he played both well. Maybe even get him thinking like LeBeau and he could be an eventual replacement for LeBeau.

by redmik on Dec 22, 2009 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks

I was already getting wordy so I didn’t mention a bunch of possibilities. The OL Coach at Rutgers is good and one I meant to mention is Mike Foley out of UCONN. I mentioned him as a replacement for Zeirlien in the offseason http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/5/5/865877/a-few-thoughts-both-short-and-long
In the case of Bosseli and Matthews, I tried to not include guys who weren’t either coaching already or at least still involved in football still.
For Rod, believe me I would love to have him, but he was actually the case I meant when I said in the Bettis paragraph that most guys aren’t going to leave the booth for the coaching hours. I think Rod would be a great ST Coach as well, but don’t see him leaving his gig. And besides, he is one of the guys I actually think gives pretty unbiased, intelligent analysis which is horribly lacking in some of the pregame teams.

"The superior man blames himself. The inferior man blames others." Don Shula

by SteelCage on Dec 22, 2009 3:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I get ya

Was just doing a bit of searching and Matthews was signed as an offensive assistant in Feburary. He has said he wants to get into coaching and is working with Kubiak and Alex Gibbs. This led me to think if Kubiak gets fired, Alex Gibbs would also probably be looking for work as a OL coach. Wouldn’t be a bad hire either. Believe he is well respected around the league and a pretty good coach. And bring Matthews with them.

And, agreed that Rod does a very good job in the studio. Unbiased he is. (Not meaning to talk like Yoda, it just worked that way)

by redmik on Dec 24, 2009 3:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Ideally

OC – Mike Sherman (those GB teams were very well balanced and catered well to Farve’s playing style, plus I want to get someone who is familiar with the NFL and had past history of good play calling in the NFL)

OL – Dermontii Dawson ( one of the best C ever – and you have to be smart to be a center – if he is doing well in his internship I say it couldn’t hurt)

DB – Carnell Lake ( I think getting older steelers will keep this locker room tight plus Lake could ball back in the day, if he is good at coaching then it works for me)

ST- Bobby April (Hey we can always make him Asst. HC its just a tittle lol)

Steelers football is 60 mins.

by tannofsteel84 on Dec 22, 2009 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

Rec'd on shear amount of info alone...

I can’t wait to actually have time to read the whole thing. Thanks SteelCage, I’ll be back to debate possibilites as soon as I can.

'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin

by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 22, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the reading, great stuff....

Capology 101 is next? Great, because I can’t keep up with the current system, let alone what’s coming (or not) down the pike.

by dawgs144 on Dec 22, 2009 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

They need

to find a way to get Chuck Norris on the staff.

The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games

by chewiesteeler on Dec 22, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

He could play every position.

QB: Round house kicks the ball exactly where it needs to go 100% of the time.

HB: While doing a spin, it is only natural for his leg to come up with it. Refs would not call penalties on Chuck Norris.

WR: Makes catches with his beard

Offensive line: Who the hell is going to run at Chuck Norris?

Defensive line: I imagine many false starts from sheer terror, and also no running game as see above

CB: Would be able to roundhouse kick balls away and also get interceptions with his beard.

SS: Same as CB, but still only considered number 2 Safety in the NFL. Next to Troy Polamalu.

Maybe the winds of fortune have decided to favor us again. Just in time for the playoffs.

by svenhoek on Dec 24, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice Post... very well researched.

Keith Olberman is the worst Football Colorman. Ever.

by MolsonGolden on Dec 22, 2009 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

My Personal Choices

OC – Mike Mularkey (Then I’d probably look at Mike Sherman if he declined)
OL – Dermontti Dawson (Make this happen)
DB – Carnell Lake (Rod Woodson would be a fantasy choice)
RB – Jerome Bettis (He does become a coach in Madden 06. Why not? He’s a better coach than analyst anyway. I could even see him as an OC, though I dunno how his playcalling would be)
ST – Bobby April (Or anyone else…)

by docsteeler on Dec 22, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

Great post steelcage

Excellent read. Considerable thought and research went into this and there are a lot of interesting names. Appreciate the time you took to jump into the topic. I’m not sure there will be as many changes as some people think, but it’s at least a possibility worth considering.

My favorite name on your list is Sherman as the new OC. He’s not a typical practitioner of the WC offense. He leans heavily on his running back and stretches the field vertically. He’s acknowledged as an excellent teacher and is not inflexible in his approach to scheme over players. He developed Ahman Green into a Pro Bowler and his offenses were generally balanced. His philosophy is that you win championships in this era with a good passing game but can only get to a championship if you have an effective running game to complement it. He has a great deal of experience as an OL coach. One of the main problems he had at GB was that he also was GM after the departure of Ron Wolf. It may have been too much responsibility. His final season at GB was marred by a number of injuries to key players. I tend to think Sherman will not return to the NFL unless it is as a head coach. He’s done a great job at A&M in just two seasons and he is still just young enough to look ahead to 5-7 years in the NFL. He has gone on record as saying he would only return to an NFL team if it is in position to challenge for a SB. That’s going to be difficult with some teams looking for a new coach, but there will be a few not far from contention who may make a change. Carolina and Chicago for example or even the Texans, which would be a natural move for him and the team where he was assistant head coach and OC after leaving the Packers. On the other hand, being assistant head coach/OC for the Steelers might bring him a SB opportunity much sooner than with many other teams that struggled this year. One other minor note about Sherman is that he started his college coaching career at Pitt, so finishing his pro career winning a SB or two with the Steelers might appeal to him.

Most of your potential candidates lack one thing: significant NFL coaching experience. That’s one of the problems of the staff Tomlin put together in the wake of the departures you noted. The other problem with some of your candidates with NFL coaching experience is that a move to the Steelers would be a lateral move, which is difficult to do.

Here are three other names to throw into the OC basket:

1. Doug Marrone. Head coach of Syracuse. On the plus side he was the OC of the Saints for three years prior to this season. The team’s offensive success speaks for itself. He was the OL coach for the Jets for four years before that and was an OL in college. On the negative side, he just finished his first year at Syracuse, his alma mater, had a promising season and is probably committed to turning the program around over the next 2-4 years.

2. Ken Zampese. Quarterback coach of the Bengals since 2003. On the plus side he has a number of years of experience in the AFC North and also has experience with the Eagles, Packers and Rams, where he was the passing game coordinator in 2002. There are critics of Carson Palmer (including me) but the reality is that he is a very competent QB who has generally played up to his draft status, unlike many top drafted QBs who have flopped, and he is having a good season in a totally different kind of offense than earlier in his career. Zampese probably has ambitions to get an OC job. His father Ernie was OC for many years in the NFL.

3. John Ramsdell. QB coach of the Chargers. Probably one of the NFL’s foremost QB gurus. He started his NFL career with the Rams in the late 90s after many years at Oregon and was the first QB coach for both Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger. He then went to the Chargers and has been the QB coach for Rivers, whose progress is undeniable. On the negative side he has never been an OC, even in college to the best of my knowledge. He was in the running for the Chargers OC job a few years ago, he has also been in the running for OC jobs elsewhere in the NFL, recently with Washington where the Redskins were denied a job interview with him by Turner.

There are probably many other good candidates, including Weis, Panthers OC Jeff Davidson who may be out of a job in a couple months, University of Washington head coach Steve Sarkisian who is probably committed to the NCAA for at least another year or two but is going to be back in the NFL after a one year fling with the Raiders, Packers QB coach Tom Clements (former Steeler QB coach and former Bills OC who had one decent year under HC Mike Mullarkey and then had his play-calling duties pulled the next year when the Bills went with young QBs Losman and Matthews), Broncos OL coach and former OC Rick Dennison, and Packers OC Joe Philbin, an energetic guy who is very much second fiddle to McCarthy and might want more freedom. However any lateral move by an OC will probably cost the Steelers a draft pick. One possible candidate for new OL coach is St. Louis Rams assistant line coach Art Valero. He spent six years on the Buccaneers staff when Tomlin was there. He was TE coach, RB coach and assistant head coach with the Bucs before going to the Rams in 08, where he has been a RB coach and an OL coach. He was a longtime OL coach in college.

The most important thing IMO, if the Steelers are going to make changes, is to bring in NFL experience to the offensive side, especially at OC and OL if those positions become open. Tomlin has close ties to Randy Fitchner and Kirby Wilson that go back years and I suspect they will both stick around.

by steeler.lifer on Dec 23, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

Sherman....

Had me at top 5 in 3rd down conversions.

Maybe the winds of fortune have decided to favor us again. Just in time for the playoffs.

by svenhoek on Dec 24, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

Skipping the...

….hello’s and going straight for 3rd down conversions. WOW…………you’re like a porn star:)

by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Jan 9, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

As a fan....

…considering Mularkey, Gailey and Grimm is a lot of fun but they’re Cowher guys and I don’t think Tomlin would give them serious deliberation. He already has Lebeau on staff and to add another former Cowher Coordinator is asking a bit much of the guy.

by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Jan 9, 2010 10:57 AM EST reply actions  


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