Diving Into the Playoff Scenarios
(If your're only interested in the ultimate conclusions of these scenarios, scroll down to the bold text at the bottom.)
imike29 has posted Steeler playoff scenarios that, while not perfect, give a pretty decent picture of what needs to happen. Since I spent a while thinking this through yesterday, I thought I'd share my understanding of our situation for anyone interested in who we really need to cheer for and how much it all matters to the Steelers. All this assumes the Steelers beat the Ravens and the Dolphins. As Cornell78 pointed out, scenarios exist in which the Steelers could lose to the Ravens and still qualify for the post-season, but literally 10 out of 10 games would have to go our way. Not likely. So, assuming the Steelers finish 9-7, there is good news:
- If 4 out of 4 games go our way this week, we control our own destiny. That means HOU, JAX, NYJ, and DEN losing at MIA, NE, IND, and PHI, respectively. All four teams are road underdogs, although it remains to be seen how long Peyton and company will play against NYJ.
- No matter what happens this week, if PIT wins, PIT cannot be eliminated from playoff contention this week. Even if all four of those games go against us, there will still be a chance for us to proceed given the right Week 17 outcomes.
- If we win, we have a great chance of being in the SNF game next week. NFC scenarios are unlikely to be 100% sure to decide playoff spots. If we control our own destiny as per point 1, we'll likely be on SNF. But even if NYJ won, MIA would then control their own destiny and we would play on SNF for that reason.
- There is no "one game" or "one team" that we need to go our way. Any ONE of the following teams could win out and we could still qualify: DEN, JAX, NYJ, HOU, TEN. Also, BAL could win in week 17 and we can still qualify. We are not dependant on any one team.
Having said that, some games matter more than others, and there are many teams in better positions than us. Our advantage is that none of those teams are very good.
There are really two tiers of teams to get past: BAL/DEN at 8-6 and JAX/NYJ/MIA/HOU/TEN at 7-7. The more teams we can get past in one "tier," the more breathing room we have in the other tier. There are only two spots, so at the end of the day we have to get past all but one of these teams. However, there are many ways to accomplish this feat.
Let's first look at the 7-7 tier. MIA plays HOU and PIT, so not all teams can win out. But if they could, their order in playoff tiebreakers would look like this (conference record in parenthesis): JAX (8-4), MIA (7-5), NYJ (7-5), HOU (6-6), PIT (6-6), TEN (5-7). MIA finishes ahead of NYJ based on season sweep, HOU finishes ahead of PIT based on common opponents. When you look at this list, things look like they're in bad shape, but keep these things in mind:
- PIT can eliminate MIA in week 17 with a win.
- All these teams are 7-7 and have two chances to lose. Odds are the teams will be split among 7-9, 8-8 and 9-7 at the end of the year, because they're all pretty average. We're assuming PIT is one of the 9-7 teams.
- Finally, these "standings" are not carved in stone and can change based on how the chips fall these last two weeks and how the DEN/BAL games go.
Now certainly, PIT is stuck behind JAX and NYJ. If both teams win out, the Steelers have no shot. But if one of them lose a game, we have a shot, and if both of them lose just one game, we are practically at the head of the class! That is because there are multiple scenarios in which HOU can finish behind PIT despite both teams winning out.
For this reason, I'll call NYJ, JAX, and HOU the "Little 3." If we can pass all three, we are dependent on very little as far as DEN/BAL, and only need one of them to lose one game out of the three we're not involved in. Keep in mind: These are not very good teams. One of them is likely to lose.
Even if we only pass two of the Little 3, there are still opportunities to make the playoffs if BAL and DEN really blow it.
Obviously, to pass JAX or NYJ, we need them to lose a game this week or next week. NYJ could actually win the division if they win out, but in that case, NE would take their spot in the wildcard chase ahead of us, so it's moot for the Steelers.
For HOU, even if they win out, then if TEN wins out too, TEN will jump ahead of HOU within the division. Wildcard ties are broke first within the division, so in that case TEN would eliminate HOU and then we would win a tiebreaker over TEN. Besides that, if HOU and PIT finished at 9-7 and TEN loses a game, and then DEN beats PHI but loses to KC, PIT could get in in that situation as well, and BAL's game against HOU would become irrelevant. For a PIT/HOU/DEN tiebreaker, it would come down to Strength of Victory. Right now, DEN has the edge over PIT, but if some otherwise irrelevant games went our way, we could jump them. (I wouldn't attempt calculate this unless it is still a possibility next week!) If we ended up in that tiebreaker, BAL's game would become irrelevant because if they win, the Strength of Victory determines the 6th seed, and if BAL loses, SoV determines the 5th seed and if the Steelers lose SoV to DEN, they would then lose to HOU based on common schedule.
In sum, we need to jump ahead of at least two of the LIttle 3 (JAX, NYJ, HOU), and ideally, all 3. This would mean those teams losing a game, although in HOU's case, there are other possibilities to jump ahead of them (TEN winning out or that complicated paragraph above). If all three are eliminated, we only need to climb ahead of EITHER BAL or DEN. If only two are eliminated, we must climb ahead of both.
So let's jump back to BAL's and DEN's games for a moment. If we beat BAL, they can beat OAK and tie us at 9-7, but would finish ahead of us in any playoff scenario because they finish ahead of us in the division due to division record. Finishing ahead of Baltimore is simple: They must lose at OAK in week 17. This isn't as far fetched as it seems, as OAK now has 5 victories and even JaMarcus Russell has now contributed to a win.
However, as I just stated, if we jump ahead of all three of the LIttle 3, we don't need to finish ahead of BAL. In that case, we could alternatively jump ahead of DEN, in which case they would have to lose just one game: @PHI or vs. KC. PHI is playing very well right now and has not yet clinched the division. (And Denver does not look good.)
So, reviewing, if we pass all of the Little 3 (JAX, NYJ, HOU), only one of BAL/OAK's 3 games have to go our way in order to qualify for a wildcard spot. If we pass only two of the Little 3, we need to pass both BAL and DEN by having BAL lose to OAK and having DEN lose one of their games (in most cases).
Passing the Little 3 means having them lose a game, except for HOU, which needs to lose a game or have TEN win out, OR if we end up in a 3-way tie with HOU and DEN, we could advance based on Strength of Victory if certain games go our way. This would happen if DEN beat PHI but lost to KC (if those two games were switched around, DEN would win 3-way-tiebreaker based on 7-5 conference schedule and HOU would be ahead of us due to common opponents tiebreaker).
Having thought all this through, I'd estimate the following odds of qualifying for the postseason for the wildcard contenders, assuming for each team that it won out:
BAL and DEN; 100%
JAX: 85%
MIA: 75%
NYJ: 70%
PIT: 50%
HOU: 45%
TEN:5%
The odds may seem high, but keep in mind that many of these teams will lose the next two weeks, eliminating themselves and helping out the teams who manage to win. TEN is in bad shape. The only teams they beat in tiebreakers are HOU and MIA. Otherwise, they need all but one of the following things to happen: BAL to lose twice, DEN to lose twice, JAX to lose at least once, NYJ to lose at least once, and PIT to beat BAL but lose to MIA. That means they MUST have 4 of 5 games go their way, PLUS have JAX and NYJ to each lose once. (Or have 5 of 5 go their way and have either JAX or NYJ lose once.) Makes all these analysts saying that "TEN could be dangerous!" seem silly since, while they're playing well, the Titans have almost no shot to qualify for January football.
So, first of all, Go Steelers! Second of all, BOO Baltimore! Thirdly, Boo Denver! Finally, Boo HOU/Boo JAX/Boo NYJ/Go TEN!
Edit: I have found one error in my calculations. If MIA wins, and DEN and JAX and BAL lose, MIA will not quite control their destiny in week 17. If they're tied with BAL/DEN/both at the end of the season, it would come down to Strength of Victory for MIA to beat one or both of those teams. So it's unlikely that MIA would control its destiny heading into Week 17. Even so, if both teams win this week, it's the best Week 17 matchup in my opinion.
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Seriously
The way we are playing, I would rather miss the playoffs this year, and get rid of BA. Than to get in the playoffs, and have to keep him.
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 22, 2009 5:50 PM EST reply actions
That just isn't right
Joe spends the last two days working out the details of just about every playoff scenario and you go and bring dumping BA into the first comment. Give the guy some props at least for a job well done. All this coming on the heels of a 37 pt performance in which our QB threw for over 500 yds and the team only one by 1. Maybe we should pull out the pitchforks for Dick LeBeau? (sarcasm).
Most comprehensive recap of playoff scenarios I’ve seen. Nice work.
by 16andCounting on Dec 22, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
I got a pretty clear picture about the playoff scenarios from Mechem’s http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/12/21/1210684/an-updated-wild-card-look that was posted yesterday.
That was followed by Norcalsteelerfan’s http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/12/21/1210945/the-steelers-playoff-chances that was posted about two and a half hours later.
This morning imike29 posted http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/12/21/1210465/playoff-possibilities and Blitz added it to the front page.
After reading the above posts, I felt pretty good about my overall grasp of playoff scenarios. But after seeing this post stay here with no replies for roughly seven hours, I offered my opinion.
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 22, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Hand in your Terrible Towel
sorry we aint 15-1 sshheeesshh
by Steelchamps !! on Dec 23, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Nope, you can't have it!
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 23, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
I do need a nice black one
more rare. u got?
by Steelchamps !! on Dec 23, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
No, but if I did, I'd keep it.
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 23, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
got the black one... its sweet
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 23, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Oh... LTSF... say it isn't so!!!
I want both. Playoffs AND a brand-spankin’ new OC for the New Year! I loathe missing the playoffs.
PS- Joe, outstanding post! At least I now know who to pull for this week besides us!
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
That would be nice. But if we get in the playoffs, we will be late for the OC hiring process, and the better candidates will be gone.
Skipping this year’s playoff run (with this secondary) for a talented new OC, seems like a good trade off, to me.
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 23, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
You will be visited by 3 ghosts.....
It’s ok…just go with them…
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
LOL
Ok, I will!!
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 23, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly
I woke up tired, like I got very little rest, for two nights in a row!
"You have to make it happen." Joe Greene
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 26, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
It happens.
Probably just a little co-inky-dink. PS- nice jammies.
When the tailgate drops, the BS stops. Shut up and play!
DUDE
We could all be DEAD next year! BA won us ONE superbowl! Come to the GOOD side
by Steelchamps !! on Dec 23, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
I am truely thankful for all our previous Superbowls, and our great history.
But I think we would be a much better overall team, with a better OC. I don’t mean to be hating, just think we could do so much better offensively.
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 23, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
I in NO way love BA
in Fact i sometimes fantasize about Danny Kreider.
But MISS the PLAYOFFS?? thats what its all about!
by Steelchamps !! on Dec 23, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
I am serious about my first comment in this thread. That is how I feel about it.
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 23, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Its like a battle between good and evil
it wages war inside of me. Do we miss the playoffs and get a new OC and experience what been can do with all these offensive weapons and a balanced attacked?
Or do we make the playoffs see if we can get Troy back and make a run for the 7th title. Do a back to back. Man that would be sweet but more likely we’d have to see more of BA next year.
But I’d rather miss the playoffs next year after back to back superbowls and solidifying our contention with the Pats as team of the decade than to win next year. I think I can stomach one more year with BA, plus with Mendenhall developing it will be hard to ignore him and just be pass happy. I think BA is still learning and if we win the SB I’m willing to put up with him for another year…. other than that fire the bum!!!
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 23, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I think you all should break dance fight to settle the dispute
Optimism. Positivity. Win.
by John Stephens on Dec 23, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Ok
Be sure to watch the end.
Dance off @ youtube
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 23, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
People are getting caught up in hating BA
but there’s every possibility that another OC could be far worse than BA….
A possibility, sure
Every possibility, for far worse? I doubt that.
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 23, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
It could always get *worse* at OC
Be careful what you wish for: we could very easily get a new Offensive Coordinator who turns out to be waaaaaay less versatile and effective than BA. It’s no easy task running an NFL offense; we fans don’t se the whole picture, so it’s easy to criticize from the couch.
I really don’t think BA is too bad. Sure- he could improve on certain aspects of his job, but who couldn’t?
He DID win a SB as OC. I know it’s a simplistic argument, but it’s true nonetheless.
Very true, I can't argue that.
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 23, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I can
Ben won that Super Bowl – not BA
He could be better, could be worse, some his stuff works, but a lot of it doesn’t make sense and doesn’t work. If we fire him it would have to be because we knew we could get an upgrade – like Mike Sherman.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 23, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
And then we can spend two more years struggling...
To learn another new system.
For every action…
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 23, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yea
So you’re saying several years of frustrating play calling, questionable play designs is worth the status quo – that is until defensive coordinators figures out BA completely and then we cant get the yards we usually get. Then what do you do? I don’t want to wait until its too late and the good candidates are taken.
I think if you bring in the right OC they should be able to determine that this offense is ready-now and doesn’t need a complete overhaul. Just needs better in-game adjustments and play calling.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 23, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
So wait...
If it doesn’t need a complete overhaul, as you said, why even bring in someone new? Doesn’t one go with the other auotmatically? It’s not like we’re going to hire someone and say, “Well, listen, we know we hired you to run your offensive system, but try and keep it similar to our old one, just a litte at least.” That doesn’t make any sense to me. Perhaps I misunderstood.
I was simply pointing out that bringing in a new OC is not a quick fix. There is some growing pains that will inevitably occur in a new system. Will we let our new OC coach for a season or two and then because we aren’t scoring 30+ a game right away, fire him too?
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 23, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
True
For years pro ball experts asserted that every new offensive system in the NFL needed three years to really kick in. That said, if BA’s offense failed to be everything it can be by next season, then can him and move on. But give the guy three full seasons first.
We’ve shifted from a DEF-first/ball-control-run-game offense to a play-action-pass-big-play offense just two years ago. We’ve won a SB already, in the first year of our transition. Ben’s style of play creates some serious difficulties for ANY OC’s gameplan, and no O-line could protect a QB like BB on every down. All things considered, given the complexities he’s faced, BA has done wonders.
We no longer have Jerome Bettis. He was a future HOFer. Alen Faneca was another future HOFer. We also lost a future HOFer in our coach Bill Cowher. And we still won a SB; AFTER losing 3 HOFers.
Not bad, by any standard of expectation.
Correction-
*in the SECOND year of transtion
maybe...but
lets beat the ratbirds anyway!
by nycsteelerfan on Dec 23, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely!
Our Ravens games, are easily, my favorite games of the year. Last year, I enjoyed our AFC championship game against the Ravens, even more than the Superbowl! That may not have been so, if we hadn’t just won one in 2005 though.
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 23, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
I find ALL of the playoff threads interesting
I love FOOTBALL and what a great time of year it is!!
The Dream of getting in the playoffs, the Possibility of Getting 43 back, the fact that our swagger may lie doormant curruntly but has the potential to kick in at any time?
Happy Holidays I say. Ill take ANY scenerio.
by Steelchamps !! on Dec 23, 2009 12:05 AM EST reply actions
if u get in
i hope u do damage
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
i want to see
my dad and unc happy
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
and all of us too...right
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 28, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Houston
As I looked at every game this weekend, things could not have played out better for the Steelers. Teams ahead of, or tied with us in the standings were on the road and heavy underdogs. Jags at Pats, Broncos at Eagles, Jets at Colts. The one team that worried me, and I argued with someone about this, was Houston.
If the Titans had won, and they play at home against Seattle next week, they should have finished 9-7, and thus not only elimintaing themselves (if tied with us at 9-7), but also Houston. The best case scenario was to have Tennessee win out, and Houston beat Miami. If the teams favored had won their games, Pittsburgh would be sitting with the 6th seed as we speak.
If the scores of these late games hold, we will either need Oakland to beat Baltimore, or New England to beat Houston.
Hopefully the Pats, with still having something to play for, go into Houston, where things should be crazy, and win. I will be in Miami, cheering on our Steelers. If your there, I’ll be in section 126…. See you there!
GO STEELERS!
and for this week only…..
GO PATS!

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