Ten Thoughts About Pittsburgh's 23-20 Victory Over The Rival Ravens
I'm a bit behind schedule (seems to be a common theme this last few weeks), so I'll forgo my usual lengthy recap type post and instead just lay out ten thoughts about Sunday's victory by the Pittsburgh Steelers over the rival Ravens. We'll see what shakes out next week, but even if the season ends next week, the Steelers have ensured that they'll finish their sixth consecutive season without a losing record. Hopefully the season ends with a W and a playoff berth, but I'm somewhat comforted by the fact that this bizarre up and down season will at worst result in a .500 record. For as hyper competitive as this league is, that's not such a bad 'floor'.
* For once this season, the Steelers were the beneficiaries of most all of the 'breaks' during the 23-20 win at Heinz Field. It's hard to argue that not being penalized as much as your opponent is 'lucky', but the Steelers definitely benefited from Baltimore being penalized 11 times for 113 yards compared to just 4 times for 20 yards. One such penalty came on a 17 yard touchdown scamper by Willis McGahee that was called back because of offensive holding. Several plays later, a 15 yard unnecessary roughness call against the Ravens put them out of field goal range. That's at least 3 points left on the board. Then, the Ravens really left the door open for Pittsburgh when Derrick Mason dropped an easy touchdown in the back of the endzone. The borderline future Hall of Famer let the ball hit his face mask and it ricocheted away with no Steelers defender really involved whatsoever in the drop.
* Nick Eason! What a game for the backup defensive lineman. He was only credited with 2 tackles and 0 sacks, but I could have sworn he was in on at least one of the Steelers four sacks of Joe Flacco. Regardless, Eason was flying to the ball all day, and though Ravens running back Ray Rice had a very nice statistical day, he was unable to really hurt the Steelers like he was the first time the two teams met about a month ago. To me, that was partly a product of Nick Eason competing so well and continuing to swarm to the ball sometimes 5-10 yards down the field.
* A breakthrough game of sorts for 1st round draft pick Ziggy Hood! The former Missouri Tiger recorded his first professional sack on Sunday. Perhaps more importantly though, Hood was able to apply pressure to Flacco on several other occassions when the Steelers were just rushing three or four defensive linemen. That allowed the Steelers to focus on bolstering their defense in the secondary. I really liked what we saw from Hood on Sunday.
* Props to Stefan Logan for continuing to work and run hard. He's been much better recently than he was to start the year. On Sunday, Logan set the single-season Pittsburgh record for kick-return yards with 1,383, surpassing the 1,306 set by Ernie Mills in 1995.
* We all know the Steelers have lost a multitude of games this year by a close margin - the lion's share being losses where the Steelers held late leads and were unable to finish. Usually a high number of close losses can be attributed to poor field goal kicking. Now, that's not going to be the lone reason in any circumstance, but typically a team gets worse kicking than have the Steelers from Jeff Reed during their mostly disappointing 2009 season. Since the first Bengals game in Week 3, Reed has converted 20-of-21 FG attempts. His lone miss came on a 50+ yard attempt against the Raiders - a kick that he probably shouldn't even have been asked to kick by head coach Mike Tomlin. Anyway, Reed was huge again on Sunday, making all three of his FG attempts.
* You know what? I may take some heat for this but I was really proud of the way Tyrone Carter played on Sunday. Carter was pretty darn bad against the Packers the week before, and he was far from perfect or dominant against the Ravens. There is a reason he was the leading tackler in the country his senior year at Minnesota - he's a fearless and really competitive football player that plays much bigger than the 5'9" that he is. That's the thing though - he's undersized and not really physically gifted enough to anchor a secondary on a championship caliber team like the Steelers. But that doesn't make him a bum or an invaluable asset for the price tag.
* It was tough sledding for Rashard Mendenhall on Sunday against the Ravens rush defense. It usually is though for Steelers 'backs when we square off against Baltimore. Mendenhall had 17 carries, but only 36 yards. Nevertheless, those yards put the 2nd year back over the 1,000 yard plateau for the season. Mendenhall now has 1,014 yards on just 222 carries, good for 4.6 yards per rush. Not bad, not bad at all!
* The Steelers didn't quite get all the help they needed yesterday. The Texans and Jets winning definitely diminish Pittsburgh's chances of sneaking in the backdoor to this year's playoffs. But it's definitely still a possibility. Baltimore must travel to Oakland to take on a Raiders team that has beaten several decent teams this year. Denver simply can't be trusted to take care of business, even at home against the Chiefs. They should win but it's definitely not a given. It's also very possible that New England will beat the Texans on the road next Sunday even though they've been pretty darn bad away from Foxboro. New England looked pretty sharp on Sunday. Then there's the Jets, who host the Bengals next Sunday for a playoff berth. I like the makeup of this Jets team - solid, if not exceptional or scary, in all three phases of the game. But they will be playing a rookie quarterback in a huuuuge spot against a Bengals team that definitely is not going to shut it down with the #3 seed still at stake if they were to win. Anyway, for yet another week, hope springs eternal. Great job boys!
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Nice recap ...
Downside to our efforts to get into the playoffs in spite of ourselves is that we need to count on a team coached by a man who will have absolutely no problem losing deliberately.
It's too complicated for us to get into the playoffs.
The Steelers win but miss the playoffs. I am pretty sure that the Bengals will rest their starters when NE wins the early game.
About Tyrone Carter, I believe that LeBeau ran the safety blitzes a lot, which required Carter to rush on to the line of scrimmage. All those plays that he made might not have been in the secondary. Again, I did not see the entire game but parts of it so my theory can be half-true.
"We are only going to score 17 points?"
I could see the Bengals throwing it just to screw us.
Maybe the winds of fortune have decided to favor us again. Just in time for the playoffs.
They absolutely will.
Head over to the Jungle to hear just how stoked the fans are about throwing the game so they can keep us out.
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 29, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Memories of 05
They know what’s good for them. Who would you rather face if you were the Bengals.
The Jets, Ravens, Broncos, Texans or the Steelers with Troy back in the line up.
Let’s break it down
The interesting thing is if the Bengals lose to the Jets they may well face them again the next week. Hard to imagine them giving their A game and pulling out all the stops in that scenario.
by SteelerBuddha on Dec 29, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
also caught a nice line
in there about the bengals being back where they are supposed to be, winning the North. I chuckled out loud a little when i read that.
by indianasteelers on Dec 29, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
No pride at all.
Ravens fans WANTED it to be us in the AFCCG. Bengals fans are scared shitless with Troy being back and our offense starting to gain rhythm. I guess they know next Sunday will be their last chance for another 5-6 years to screw us. Hopefully Lewis wants his team to get some momentum going in and plays the starters.
Its very early, but I really cant wait to play the Bungles next year….
Maybe the winds of fortune have decided to favor us again. Just in time for the playoffs.
Agreed on Ravens fans.
As much as I don’t like the team, their fans appreciate the rivalry and competition.
Btw…Troy is back this week??
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
by count'em_six on Dec 29, 2009 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
He said if we are still in contention
he would suit up for Miami
"Chris! That's a terrible word! Pussywillows..."
-Lois Griffin
we don't know what the Bengals will do
They may play reserves, but they could still pose problems for NYJ, especially Johnson looking for FA $. Their run defense has been very good and Sanchez has been inconsistent. Whoever takes the field will play to win. Even with nothing at stake for the post season, the Bengals shouldn’t be a cakewalk for the Jets.
Then again, this Bengals team has had a tough time closing out the AFCN, with a huge lead at the midway point and only clinching in Week 16. The Bengals needed to play for a win vs KC and barely pulled it out at home. That doesn’t inspire much confidence.
by chicos_pants on Dec 29, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Bengals
will roll over. They have nothing to play for.
by SteelerBuddha on Dec 29, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Therein lies the difference
…between their fans and ours. Can you imagine us actually pulling for a loss? They won their super bowl when they beat us. We’ll eternally be in their heads. They have their division crown…and it’ll mean nothing after they lose their first game in the playoffs.
Bad Andy, Good Pizza.
by count'em_six on Dec 29, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Nice job...
I thought Eason played well in the 2nd half of the season, and maybe even scored himself a job with yesterday’s output. If Travis is on the down-side, Nick may be that answer.
Ziggy played really well also, and with a little more seasoning by A. Smith (a la Ryan McBean?) that could be even more reason to get excited about the future.
Now if Sunny turns out to be something, and we get that NT in the draft to eventually replace Big Snack….
I agree about Tyrone. I think that we’re spoiled by having Troy, and really, how many Troy’s are out there? Anyone else is a step-down and despite what I thought was solid play this year, Tyrone is crapped on. The fall off of both the play at the position, and the total D, is there for us all to see. But this is the problem – we are spoiled.
Cheers to Stefan, I was sick and he had me jumping off the couch!!
Let’s go out on a high note, with a big W, and we’ll see what happens…..
I don't think we're spoiled
Everyone is a step down from troy, but that step shouldn’t be like falling in the rabbit hole of Alice in Wonderland.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 29, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
What do you expect?
We don’t have two SS’s on the roster. Both Tyrone and Clark are the same type of player. If that’s what we had to play with, then I thought Tyrone did a pretty good job.
I expect solid play
nothing amazing, we didn’t get solid play we didn’t even get average play
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 30, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Was it what I wanted? Absolutely not. For a player playing out of position I thought he was better than at least what 22 other teams had to offer.
Posted this in another spot too:
What are the chances that the outrage over the obvious negative impact resultant from flexing the Bungles v Jets game reaches the NFL and, in a moment of levity, they realize that the competitive balance they strive so diligently to achieve has been skewed so dramatically that they move that friggin’ game back to 1:00?
DO THE RIGHT THING NFL!!
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
+1000
This thing is outrageous, they basically increased the chances of this game becoming meaningless for the Bungles and therefore little more than a preseason game for them if the Pats win! What a crock!
Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!
Couldn't agree more
From Peter King’s SI.com “Monday Morning Quarterback” column:
(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/12/27/mmqb/1.html)
“Lots of people have asked why the Dallas-Philadelphia game, for the championship of the NFC East, wasn’t flexed. A couple of reasons. All things being equal, the league would have preferred an AFC game to be flexed. By the end of the current contract in 2013, the league has to have flexed an equal number of FOX (NFC) and CBS (AFC) games to the Sunday night NFL package on NBC. As of today, the league has shifted four more NFC games than AFC games. So this lowers the margin to three.”
Obviously, there is no mention of competitive balance or intergrity of the games anywhere in the league’s agreement with the networks. To think that the Dallas-Philly game wasn’t even considered when it is by far the most important game of the weekend is a disgrace. Instead of a division championship game, we may very well be getting, as Steelfrog said, a glorified exhibition. Competitive balance has totally been screwed with here. I’m no conspiracy theorist, but I do wonder if the league would have taken the same action if it was the Colts or Patriots needing help Sunday to get in. The Steelers have never been the league/media darlings those other two have, so I’m sure there’s some selectiveness when competitive balance is considered. Whatever the case, we shouldn’t be surprised that the right thing is taking a backseat to the political thing. Still, it’s disappointing.
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Dec 28, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
It's crap. No one should be sitting starters
But it’s all on the Steelers for not getting it done when they absolutely should have this year. We can bitch and moan all we’d like but it doesn’t change the fact that we got on the gas too late. If we make it in that would be awesome but let’s be realistic. The Bengals do not want to play us for the third time. They’d much rather sit one against the Jets then play them again for real. Go Steelers.
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by SoCalSteelerFan on Dec 28, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
How awesome would it be..
if the Texans and Ravens (beg your pardon, Ratbirds) lost, we won and got in, the Bengals “threw” their game with the Jets, and STILL had to face the Steelers. God, that would be a dream-come-true.
would be great ... but I don't think that's a likely scenario
Jets are playing for 5 seed or bust. Steelers gain 6 seed in that scenario and travel to Foxboro. Not impossible, but a matchup would then have to occur in the AFCCC. Of course this is after the Steelers win consecutive games at NE and Indy.
At this point I’m resigned to taking care of business at Miami and whatever else happens happpens.
by chicos_pants on Dec 29, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Well Indy is going to fall apart like they always do
And NE is beatable.
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
Don’t go too nuts with the “disgrace” thing. There are only two games that will be win-and-in, regardless of what happens during the rest of the day, and one of the two involves a New York team. Teams go through this almost every year when the scheduling demands it.
I don’t like it either, but it bears repeating that the single biggest reason the Steelers’ playoff hopes are so slim is that little thing where they LOST TO THE CHIEFS AND THE BROWNS.
by TheSpatulaMessiah on Dec 29, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, forgot to mention
On the NL Broadcast forums at the506.com, general consensus is that Peter King’s claim of absolutely equal AFC and NFC flexing is probably incorrect. The league does try to keep things roughly equal, but it’s unlikely be a hard and fast rule.
by TheSpatulaMessiah on Dec 29, 2009 7:46 AM EST up reply actions
Again
This whole we don’t deserve the playoffs is crap. All the teams fighting for a wildcard spot have bad loses and don’t deserve the playoffs. Fact is that they have 6 seeds and all of them have to be filled. we deserve it just as much as anyone else.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 29, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
If that's the case...
…it’s even more ridiculous that the league would pick Jets/Cincy over Dallas/Philly. If there’s no network mandate to flex an AFC game, why not pick the best game available?
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Dec 29, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
The NFL likes "win and in"
I would have gone with PHI-DAL myself, actually. But the league has shown that it prefers the SNF slot for teams fighting to get into the playoffs at all, rather than teams already in the tournament jostling for seeding.
As I posted on the other discussion, once you realize that, you realize that there are two games that will be “win and in” scenarios regardless of what happens during the rest of the day. One of those involves a team from the country’s biggest market. The other involves the Raiders.
by TheSpatulaMessiah on Dec 29, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Remember Green Bay @ Chicago in 2006
NBC does – the Giants won during the day eliminating the Packers. Chicago had already clinched the first seed.
2007 – Tennesse beats the Colts 2nd team to knock out the Browns
2008 – San Diego crushes the Broncos to win 4 straight & the division; Broncos lose 4 straight & go home
2009 – ???
"Sick Puppy is ultimately as unforgiving as nature's order... There is no redemption or apology." - wikipedia
I think it might have something to do with the fact...
that Dallas played on SNF this past week. Maybe they don’t want the same team playing twice in a row? Who knows? Just trying to justify it a bit.
NFL does the money thing
Think of all the views watching sunday night in NYC to see their beloved sucker jets back into the playoffs. This makes me sick. Two teams throwing games and it results in a team being awarded a playoff position. This is more like wrestling than anything.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 29, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, but,
I think Dallas has one of the largest fan bases out there and the Eagles are a huge market team. That game has division title implications AND the Eagles could now get the #2 seed thanks to Favrkings blowing it against Chicago. To me, that game has much more appeal than one team bending over for the other in a meaningless game.
Oh well. Its been said in a bunch of other places, the Steelers put themselves in this position. Not that they don’t deserve to be in, but they put their destiny in, of all friggin places, the Bungles hands. HFNY.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Dec 29, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Great point
I’d watch it. I def. wouldn’t watch the bengals back ups play a jets team who is starving to make the playoffs – sounds like a beat down to me.
And like I said before majority of these teams put their future in other teams hands including the jets. They were just fortunate enough that Caldwell flunked history in college.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 29, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
The more I think about it though
the media would love to tug on Sanchez’s junk all night long as the celebrated “Sanchise” sneaks into the playoffs in his rookie season. Ugh, I can see the residue all over Chris Collingsworth’s lips already. Suddenly they will rewrite history and talk about how “great a season he had” this and how “he fought through adversity” that.
Sh!t, I just made myself throw up.
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Dec 29, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Even more reason to NOT watch that game
you made me sick thinking about. lol
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 29, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Bringing back the other way
He can still talk about Sanchez’s great rookie season and how unfortunate he was to just miss out on the playoffs…(slow tear freezes on his cheek)
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 30, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent Analysis
This is an excellent analysis of the Steelers-Ravens game and their overall situation.
Good pick on Nick Eason, he was fired up. It was really, really refreshing to see the defense pick it up.
I also think your comment on Tyronne Carter is pretty much on the mark. The guy is a decent back up, probably better suited to the free safety position, but he simply is not able to anchor the secondary in Troy’s absence.
Click here for a more detailed salute to the individual Steelers who made critical plays at critical times.
by Hombre de Acero on Dec 28, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions
Eason's sack was nullified by a penalty; T. Carter is an old in the box safety with no speed
Nick Eason was active on Sunday and may have earned a deal for next year. Ziggy probably had his best game as well. If the Steelers can pick up their NT of the future in the 1st round this year (Dan Williams or Terrence Cody?), resign Snack, have Aaron & Keisel return healthy for next year, and watch the continued improvement of Ziggy, Sunny Harris, & McClenton, I think that we could be alright on the defensive line.
Has anyone noticed that in the second half, team’s always gash us for a touchdown run on the D’s right side (between Keisel & J. Harrison). That same play, a draw play off tackle, was a TD for Cincy, Green Bay, & Baltimore (though McGahee’s TD was called back). And has anyone heard Chris Hoke’s name this year for anything?
People can throw roses at the feet of Ty Carter if they want to, but I think he and Ryan Clark are both liabilities against the pass and their arrows are also both pointing down. If worst came to worse and you can’t find a free safety to start in free agency or the draft, then I’d let Willie Gay and Ryan Mundy compete for that position. Both are young and have some upside. Plus safety is Gay’s natural position, not corner.
Hopefully, this year’s failures will have the Steelers looking seriously to try and correct some flaws with this team and get back to physical football. Right now, the Steelers are the softest team in the AFC North and has the worst running game. Both of those things MUST change.
by datruth4life on Dec 29, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
If the Steelers are going to target a NT in the first or second round I am all for giving Hampton the franchise for one season.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Dec 29, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
what if they don't
you know in an non-CBA year you can have two franchise players.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 29, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Re: William Gay at Safety
Aren’t safeties supposed to know how to tackle?
by SteelerBuddha on Dec 29, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Tyrone Carter doesn't seem to know how to
Yet he is out there
Optimism. Positivity. Win.
by John Stephens on Dec 30, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Carter tackles well
He just terrible angles to get to the tackle.
by Chicago Steeler on Dec 31, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Lots of agreement here
I also thought Eason was in on a sack. I yelled “Ziggy!” in the crowded Cleveland bar I was in, only to realize that I don’t know the numbers of the new d-linemen well enough.
I also agree with the comments about Tyrone Carter. It is too easy to pick on the secondary, just cause they miss their tackle after the linebackers miss a tackle. Carter isn’t a super-star, but he can play.
Chewie makes a good point too? Moving a game to make it less meaningful? I haven’t heard the outrage. Off to google.
*Madison....
- showed us time after time why letting him go was the biggest personnel mistake of the year….and why picking him up has helped shore up the coverage unit that was absolutely killing the Steelers and will be the number one reason they don’t make the playoffs….(IF they don’t).
Madison was all over the field on kickoff and punt coverage…and was influencing plays and making tackles.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
Yeah, absolutely
And we let him go for Keiwan Ratliff? Give me a break! Another B.S. move that saved us, what? Under half a million? And probably cost us three games… Tomlin can talk about the importance of special teams but his actions have to start to reflect this or it’s just more coachtalk hogwash!
Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!
he did bring him back
didn’t he? Just checking. Because the coach knew our special teams would be that bad and did it on purpose right? SMH
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 29, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
In defense of cutting Madison....
..and remember, I said it was a bad move then and have said all season long that it was the worst personnel move Tomlin made all year….
1) Tomlin and LeBeau knew the secondary would be weaker this year with the loss of McFadden and saw the holes back there in the second half of the Super Bowl and in the preseason.
2) Madison is listed as a defensive back, but he looked absolutely terrible in the preseason. He was badly abused and couldn’t cover a lick. He was giving 10 and 15 yard cushions and simply could not defend against the pass. He was awful.
3) IIRC, Madison had a family tragedy. His dad died of cancer, and he missed a preseason game to tend to family matters and attend the funeral.
4) You can only keep 53, and only so many of those can be special team players. Stefan Logan essentially took Madison’s roster spot as an exclusive special teams player.
Based on the above, Tomlin rolled the dice and picked Ratliff who, supposedly, could play defensive back. The logic was understandable, but the decision was wrong, wrong, wrong. It wasn’t about the money. It was about the number 53. (Ratliff was available to play DB and, as CT says, “availability is a good ability.”)
They wanted too long to bring him back (missing one chance), but at least they did. And that’s more than a lot of hard-headed coaches and personnel people would do. Admitting you made is mistake is a rare admission, especially in the world of the NFL.
I would kill everyone in this room for a drop of sweet beer.
- Homer J. Simpson
I agree
The important thing is they brought him back. I understand the 53 problem. But I don’t buy the “Logan took his spot” logic. Most teams have a returner and a gunner that are there just for that, if you say that special teams are a priority, then you keep him. Cowher kept Sean Morey AND Chidi Iwuoma even though neither could play elsewhere.
I remember Madison playing awful on defense in the preseason (against third stringers no less) and Ratliff playing better but honestly, I don’t care. Special teams are important? Then you don’t cut your best player. Like a lot coaches in the NFL, in the end, Tomlin does little more than pay lip service to special teams.
And tannofsteel84, I really don’t get your irony or your point here. The NFL is about accountability, not excuses (“I didn’t do it on purpose” doesn’t cut it) and even though Tomlin is a good coach, he’s far from perfect. I think I’m justified to feel that special teams have not been good enough this year or even in his tenure. Last year was his best, we had good coverage but he refused to play Holmes as a returner until the playoffs and we had no return game to speak of. So while he can talk the talk, we’ve yet to see if he’s willing to walk the walk. We’ll see what he does next year…
Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!
Steelfrog
I just think that its unfair to criticize someone in hindsight. Of course if he knew the results he would have never made that move. He realize what happen and when Madison became available we got him. I’m not saying Tomlin is perfect. I can understand why he didn’t play Holmes as returner. Holmes needed to focus on WR, the same reason why Hester doesn’t return any more. Also Holmes is this teams most explosive reciever, he make big plays at crucial points in the game, why risk that by putting him in a vulnerable position with 10 guys flying towards him for a simple punt? It makes more sense to have him on offense where he can help drive the ball down the field instead of the crap shoot that is returning punts. Hope that he can make a move, someone makes a block and you get some good yardage. But thats just my opinion.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 29, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
About hindsight. I agree it’s easy to be critical once we know it hasn’t worked out. However I TOTALLY disagree with the lame-ass pussyfied philosophy of not playing your playmakers on special teams. Specially if you claim to have an “all hands on deck” approach to special teams as Tomlin once said.
About Devin Hester, that is a major crock, he HAS to be on returns, it’s a disgrace and makes absolutely no sense. He might be the most talented returner in NFL history and he’s riding the pine while some other guy is taking the ball? That is flat out shameful and counter-productive even if their guys are decent.
Concerning Holmes, I disagree once more, when you have a playmaker, you give him the ball as much as you can, specially when you don’t have another returner on your roster. In 05 when Randle El was the starter, had we benched him on special teams we wouldn’t have made the playoffs. These guys are getting paid to play football, not avoid injuries and this ain’t beach volleyball!
Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!
I understand where you are coming from
But that is just the way of the NFL. Tomlin has put playmakers on special teams, he has some starters on their, James Harrison was put back on Special Teams. There must be some reason why you can’t be a starting WR and a PR. It might have more to do with the business side of it than anything else.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 30, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Desean Jackson?
Works pretty well for the Eagles…
Please stop unleashing hell, coach, I can't take it anymore!!!
Tomlin choose Ratliff, Burnett over A. Madison
Tomlin’s decision to keep Ratliff and Burnett over Madison pretty much involved Ratliff’s perceived versatility (the fact that he could play both safety and corner) and Burnett’s upside and his ability (they thought) to play special teams now. We all see now that was the wrong decision.
Well, at least they will have the opportunity to resign A. Madison in Pittsburgh and have he and Gay return to their normal positions of gunners for this team, hopefully for a new special teams coach.
I will be at the game in Miami on Sunday. Kind of bummed that it won’t mean as much as it could have, but I am looking forward to some warm weather and some muy bonita chicas. No playoffs for the Steelers this year (hope that I’m wrong, but I don’t think so).
Time to look at what is the most important offseason and draft in Tomlin’s and Colbert’s tenure with the Steelers. Got to get back to physical football, on both sides of the ball for the Steelers. All of this passing and finesse stuff kind of makes me want to puke.
by datruth4life on Dec 29, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Have fun at the game
Nothing negative about getting to cheer for a game that still matters.
by Chicago Steeler on Dec 29, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Look at how long it took Coach Fox
at Carolina to bench DelHomme and play Matt Moore……
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 29, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Great call
He was all over the field on special teams. He made some amazing tackles when no one else was capable of stepping up.
by SteelerBuddha on Dec 29, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Agree on Logan, Reed and Carter
I’ve been sticking up for these guys all season when a lot of people out there were calling for their heads. Logan and Reed are steady pros who consistently get the job done within the confines of their roles on the team. Carter is a valuable backup who knows the system and is always ready to step in and give you his best effort.
And you’re right about Nick Eason too. If this guy keeps stepping up and performing this way, we should consider keeping him on the roster instead of treating him like a throw-away. This just isn’t the Steelers’ year, but all of these guys are worth the roster spots—at least until we find better replacements.
Sepulveda, though, has been a major disappointment. I wonder if his injury from last season is affecting his leg strength. He’s not even in the top-10 NFL punters.
by what criteria?
i’m not familiar with the stats but i think with a better punt coverage team he’d be top ten in net yards per punt… which I think is the only punt stat really worth anything
true
Sepulveda is doing a great job of putting the punts in position for the coverage guys. Out-kicking your coverage is a very real thing. Danny seems to be doing a great job of putting the ball high enough that the coverage gets down there. I’ll sacrifice a few yards in gross yardage for a better net.
by Chicago Steeler on Dec 29, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
By the criterion normally used to judge punters: average (total) yards per kick.
Just about anyone punting in the NFL can kick a 35 yarder with great hang time. Sepulveda simply has not been very impressive and he’s shanked a few punts as well.
he's made some big-time tackles when it mattered this year
of course, so did Berger, but no-one wants him back… I’ll take robo-punter, he’s certainly not a liability.
Sepulveda is not a liability
Coverage needs to improve, and will with a new ST coach. The only other thing to really look at besides coverage is touchbacks on kickoffs….Reed even knocked a guy out of bounds on sunday, but he can’t kick into the endzone…maybe a specialist is in order.
Carter is terrible
We need better back ups than that. I’m sorry.
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 29, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
But everything fell apart in the secondary this year.
You could just as easily blame Ryan Clark or Ike Taylor (which many fans have done). Look, these guys didn’t all just lose their skills in one season. But without Troy and Aaron Smith, the balance of the entire Steeler defense was thrown off. As a result, guys like Carter have been asked to fill roles that they’re just not suited for. When Troy comes back next season and we get more help via the draft, suddenly you won’t be hearing all this moaning about the secondary anymore.
Nah
I rather blame Carter, yea that makes me feel better. :) I’d still want some one younger and faster back there who can at least get into position, if he isn’t suited for the roles then why is he the back up?
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 30, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Can I vent real quick?
I HATE THE FREAKING BENGALS. HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE.
Its maddening to me that our destiny lies in their hands.
Freaking Farrior. I blame this on him.
Maybe the winds of fortune have decided to favor us again. Just in time for the playoffs.
Aw Man
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE
Sincerely,
From the International Haters Convention
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 29, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Farrior
He’s the reason we lost 7 including to KC, OAK and CLE? Who knew we could solve our problems so easily.
by SteelerBuddha on Dec 29, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
He started it when he didnt make the stop on 4th and 10.
Maybe the winds of fortune have decided to favor us again. Just in time for the playoffs.
And Chicago?
I getting tired of saying this: Dick LeBeau’s system is so complex very few rookies can make an impact.
POST SEASON PLAY
THE BURGH WILL HANDLE THEIR BUSINESS THIS SUNDAY ALRIGHT. HOWEVER, THE HELP JUST MIGHT NOT BE SO WILLING TO LEND A HELPING HAND IF IT MEANS HAVING TO PLAY THESE SAME STEELERS. THE 3RD AND 4TH SEEDS WOULD CERTAINLY RATHER PLAY A TEXANS OR JETS OPPONENT RATHER THAN OUR STEELERS. LETS SEE HOW RIGHT THIS TURNS OUT TO BE. HOW BOUT DEM STEELERS!
Why are you screaming at us?
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Dec 29, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
BECAUSE
SANTA IS COMING AARRRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!
-Elf
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 29, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
SAAANNNNNTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
The only managing Ben does is he manages to WIN games
by chewiesteeler on Dec 29, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/12/15/1202077/improving-btsc-take-2
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Complaint #1: as previously noted, the all caps is major no-no.
Complaint #2: I realize this is being technical, but the Steelers are the Rooney’s and their partners. We are fans, not owners.
Complaint #3: The “How Bout Dem” is almost exclusively associated with a certain Texas franchise. I strenuously object to the use of such a phrase in connection with the Steeler franchise.
by pghnorthside on Dec 29, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
on Complaint #3
agreed we need not to take anything from that poor excuse for America’s Team
Steelers football is 60 mins.
by tannofsteel84 on Dec 30, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
It's always nice to beat the Ravens
Could have easily been two wins … or just as easily two losses. That’s one reason it’s such a good rivalry.
I’m rooting for the Steelers and Ravens to both make it. Both deserve another shot at the Bengals, who I still don’t think are for real. A Steelers v Ravens rematch for AFCC would be sweet. Both teams are flawed and have underperformed, but I’m SO unimpressed with the other teams in contention beyond the top 2 seeds.
Hey everybody
Sorry I haven’t been very active recently, but my computer broke so I’m now sharing one w/3 other people. Not a big deal, but anyway, what are the chances of LaMarr Woodley being announced to the probowl roster tonight? I know it’s practically meaningless, but he deserves the recognition, especially the way he’s played down the stretch. I don’t think pb-voting was open for this week, but I think this past game was a just more proof that Woodley is realing shaping up to be a star in the making.
BTSC Obituaries
OldManSteeler, ominously died two days before Superbowl 123 where the Ravens are set to attempt their 7th superbowl win, facing the Detroit Lions on Sunday. He was 86. His last words are believed to be "MALOR CAN SUCK IT!!!". Like friends and family, we can only guess what this could mean.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Dec 29, 2009 5:30 PM EST reply actions
football is weird
no matter what happens this weekend, and beyond, you just never know about NFL football. I think anybody would agree that this year’s team is player -for-player better than last year’s team, that won the freakin Super Bowl. Granted, injuries have hurt, but it’s an easier season, match-up-wise. But for a few breaks here and there, this year’s team could easily be 14-1. Likewise, last years team easily could have finished 9-7 and not made the playoffs. I still like the direction the team is headed in, but it’s apparent that the league is set up to eliminate dynasties. Damn !

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