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Offensive Line - Sacks, stats and Team results


We have all noted the continued struggles of our Offensive Line.  I was interested in seeing how the statistic of Sacks compared to offensive success, specifically scoring TDs and ultimately winning games.  Comparing total sacks can't be used since some teams throw a lot more than others.  The more you throw, the more you are sacked right?  As illustrated by the Steelers, the answer is not exactly

Irregardless, Attempts per Sack Allowed gives a fair comparison of how well each team protects their QB relative to how often they pass.  I computed this, then looked at TDs scored and INTs allowed to get an idea of how efficient each team was versus how many times they passed the ball.  The number of teams and stats available is huge, so I just compared our guy Ben to a couple QBs who have had statitical success as well as a lot of wins and a few championships.  I chose to compare the Pats to the Colts to the Steelers since they have all had continued success but have done it by different means.  While the Steelers were known as a run-first team up until about 2005-2006, the Colts and Pats have been pass happy that whole period of time.  

Here are some of the numbers from 2005 - 2009 week 15:

Peyton Manning / Colts
Year    Attempts/Sack     TDs   INTs   Scoring Defense Rating    Wins/Playoff result

2005    26.6                       28     10                       2                            14 / Div Rd Loss
2006    39.8                       31       9                      23                           12 / SB 41 Win
2007    24.5                       31     14                       1                            13 / Div Rd Loss
2008    39.6                       27     12                       7                            12 / WC Rd Loss
2009    55.3                       33     15                       7                            14 / ?

Ben Roethlisberger/ Steelers
Year    Attempts/Sack     TDs   INTs   Scoring Defense Rating    Wins/Playoff result
2005   11.6                        17     9                        3                             11 / SB 40 Win
2006   10.2                        18     23                     11                            8 /  none
2007   12.6                        32    11                       2                             10 / WC Rd Loss
2008   10.2                        17    15                       1                             12 / SB 43 Win
2009   10.2                        23    12                       12                            8  / ???

 

Tom Brady (except 2008) / Patriots
Year    Attempts/Sack     TDs   INTs   Scoring Defense Rating    Wins/Playoff  result
2005   20.4                        26     14                     26                            10 / Div Rd Loss
2006   19.9                        18      24                     6                              12 /  AFCCG Loss

2007   27.5                        50       8                      4                              16 / SB 42 Loss
2008   11.0                        21      11                     8                              11 / none !
2009   35.9                        28      12                     4                              10  / ???

 

The most striking thing is the huge number of sacks which the Steelers have allowed as compared to these two successful teams.  The ratio of Attempts per Sack are at least twice as bad for the Steelers on average, in some years that ratio is 3 times larger !!  I think one thing these numbers show is that Sacks are a significantly telling stat for how the offense is doing.  Even though both of these guys attempt as many or more passes per year than the Steelers, neither one of them has been sacked like Ben.  Part of this is no doubt due to Ben's holding of the ball.  But let's be honest here, even that can't account for the huge number of sacks given up and all the downs and yards sacrificed.  Sacks can be overcome by two basic things - a high scoring offense but more importantly a dominant defense.

If you are giving up sacks by the dozen, how can a team keep winning?  Well, the team with the most points always wins.  As a head coach and defensive coordinator, I have always been more concerned about how many points we give up, not yards or first downs.  Defense Wins Championships, Offense May Help is how I think of it.  Many games are lost as compared to won.  The offense's mistakes are the casualties which lead to the team's demise more often than not.

In 2007, Big Ben had his best sacks versus attempts ratio ( though it palls in comparison) in this 5 year span.  This would lead one to believe that year would have resulted in better overall results.  But in the playoffs versus Jacksonville he threw 3 INTs, but maybe more interestingly - he was sacked 6 times.  These sacks combined with no Willie Parker led to a loss against a Jaguar team which was a run the ball and play defense squad.  The Steelers outgained the Jags 340 - 239 and led Time of Possession 33 minutes to 27 for Jacksonville.  No matter, the Steelers offense lost the game for them even with their brilliant comeback in the 4th quarter.  In the 2005 playoffs, Manning was sacked 5 times by the Steelers en route to their 5th title.

Sacks can lead to a lot of other problems - loss of yardage and field position, injuries to your QB and more long yardage downs following the sack.  Those long yardage downs lead to more incompletions, more sacks and more interceptions in an attempt to gain back what you have lost.  Peyton has thrown 150 TDs compared to being sacked 76 times in these nearly 5 complete seasons.  Ben has been sacked 209 times over the same timeframe and delivered 107 TDs.  Ben's TD to INT ratio these 5 seasons is a combined 1.5 ratio - in other words, he throws 1.5 TDs for every 1 INT.  Manning's ratio is 2.5 TDs/INT.  TDs per Sack gives the most telling story - Peyton's ratio is 1.97 compared to Ben's .51,  In other words, the Colts score a TD almost exactly 4 times as often as they are sacked.  Can you imagine how successful this offense would be if the sack totals were anything close to Manning's or Brady's?   Here's hoping the FO gets moving in the off season toward fixing two big personnel issues - Offensive Line and of course Defensive Backs.

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Lots of Blame

There is lots of blame to go around. First of all, the play calling does not put the offense in a position to stop the sacks. Formations that make it obvious that we are going to pass lets the defense tee off and rush with no worry about a run. Empty back sets leaves nobody in to block a 6th player or if somebody gets loose. Mendenhall has become a good back at pass protection. At times he has blown an assignment, but that is not his strength. We need a FB who can run block and pass protect.

Second, BB does hold onto the ball way too long. This is especially a problem when a sack takes us out of FG range or kills a drive. When we go 3 and out, all it does is put the defense back on the field. If BB gets sacked, we loose field position on the turnover.

The 3rd issue is the OL. 2 years ago the problem was Mahan and Colon as I remember. Last year the problem was Stapleton and Colon. Colon has gotten better, but the problems still exist with breakdowns here and there. Everybody has taken their turns allowing sacks, especially, Starks, Essex and Colon.

Solutions:New OC, may need a QB coach to teach BB to get rid of the ball quicker. Draft atleast 2 dominating OL.

by Steeler Nation VA on Dec 29, 2009 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

the line is VERY inconsistant!

Which means, they are not that good! true about BB holding the ball too long, but how do explain the running game?

by nycsteelerfan on Dec 29, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

This all very interesting

And I think we all pretty much knew this. But in the time frame reviewed, only one team has won 2 super bowls.

So, for me, if the steelers keep being competitive, and playing in and winning the occasional super bowl, I don’t care if they lead the league in sacks.

by worldtrip on Dec 29, 2009 9:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The Colts can't run the ball a lick.

They protect Manning, but there the worst rushing team in the league I believe. Steelers running game has regressed in recent weeks, but I think dubious playcalling, and worn down Rashard Mendenhall carry as much blame as the O-line.

By the way, we are getting sacked at pretty near the same ratio that we were in 04, and 05. Was the O-line bad then? One consistent, Big Ben. Ben simply takes more sacks than he should. If we had Colts O-line he would still get sacked 40+ times a year.

13 years and no playoff wins for the Dallas Cowboys... SWEET!

by idiscgolftexas on Dec 30, 2009 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

Sack totals are pretty consistent but no real run game now...

The Steelers are not running the ball as well as in the past. From 2005-2007 seasons, they were 5th, 10th and 3rd in Team Rushing. Last year they were 23rd and this year they are 22nd in the league. So, the pass protection has remained basically the same, but their ability to run the ball has declined pretty dramatically.

I contend that the team won the SuperBowl primarily by the play of it’s defense. If the offense was really that good, they wouldn’t have to come from behind so often. Don’t forget that the Steelers defense scored a TD, while the offense gave up a safety on a holding call in the end zone. That hold cost them 2 points and another possession. Without the defensive touchdown, the Steelers lose the game.

With the Steelers defense strugglinjg this year, they can not overcome the mistakes the offense makes. The Steelers are tied with San Diego at 12th in Scoring Defense this year, they are 13th in Scoring Offense. Last year they were 20th in Scoring Offense but #1 in Scoring Defense, Yards Allowed and Passing defense. They were also #2 in Rush defense and Sacks!

This year, the defense is again #2 in Sacks – one of the only things keeping them in these games. The 2009 offense has yielded 47 sacks, 31 out of 32 teams. They are also 19th in Rushing yards and 20th in Rushing TDs. None of these stats are good for your O Line.

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Dec 30, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Shows how much QB affects stats

Look at the Cassell year sandwiched around two Tom Brady years. Blocking for Cassell was not much different than blocking for Brady. Nevertheless, huge differences.

Also, it is an unlikely coincidence that two of the best QBs at reading defenses (Brady and Manning) have lines that are among the best in the league. Rather, blocking is easier for a QB who can read a defense and knows when to get rid of the ball. While Ben’s strengths are numerous, reading defenses is not one of them. It is no coincidence that the sack numbers are worse for his o-line.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Dec 30, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

The QB affect

Interesting analysis Franz. I’m not sure your basic premise of Sacks/Attempt across different different teams being a measure of offensive line performance holds much water. So much of this comes down to the QB in my opinion, and the way he executes the plays and the game plan. My opinion is that Ben is responsible for about 50 per cent of the sacks he takes.

Here’s another statistical comparison. Over the past five seasons the backup QB for the Steelers has played a total of almost half a season worth of plays (106/190, 1,438 Yds, 11 TD, 5 Int, 7 sacks). That works out to 27.1 pass attempts for every sack, more than double the sack rate incurred by Ben.in any season.

by steeler.lifer on Dec 30, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

True...how about the Faneca Effect?

Like I said, they can’t run the ball effectively anymore. Another stat which I dragged up was so-called Power Runs. These are logged as percentage of time a team successfully gains a first down on 3rd or 4th and 2 yards or less, also included are 1st and 2nd and Goal plays inside 2 yards. The plays are classified as Left, Center and Right. The Steelers rank last in the NFL in Left and 22nd in Right side run plays in short yardage. They are also 20th in Left side runs over 10 yards. Alan Faneca played Left Guard.

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Dec 30, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

Well, the Steelers best run blocker is probably Kemo at LG. Their most successful running play is the counter trap right with Kemo pulling, but it’s not an easy play call in short yardage. It’s tough to run inside-right when your center and RG get no movement. It’s really difficult to analyse running game efficiency when the offensive coordinator is predictable with his run sets, runs very few misdirection plays and in general regards the running game as a necessary evil rather than a potentially creative and positive contributor. He barely understands (if at all) that even an unsuccessful running play can use up valuable time on the clock or contribute to play-action pass success.

by steeler.lifer on Dec 30, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Never mind that a lot the time we are faced with 3rd and 2, we don’t have a running back on the field.

"You have to make it happen." Joe Greene

by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 30, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

no run game?

last I checked, Mendy was averaging 4.6/carry and had over 1000yds. the last 3 games, he hasn’t had a lot of yards, but he also hadn’t a ton of carries. also, in VERY limited action FWP has been running EXTREMELY hard and is averaging 4.3yds/carry since he came back in Nov.

plus, the reliance on BB (the $100mill man, btw) has made our running game sort of an afterthought. this is NOT the run game of Steelers teams past, but it doesn’t mean they have NO run game.

I agree with Lifer that Kemo is developing into a fine LG – watch him on counter-traps when he pulls and bulldozes that first or second level defender, freeing up Mendy for a nice 6-8yd gain. hell, even Foster was bulldozing in the Packers game! also, Colon has done a decent job sealing off the corner on wide runs, as has Miller.
 
on short yardage – Arians RARELY calls a run (unless its a BB keeper). Tomlin even mentioned awhile back that we we’re inefficient (statistically) with a run in those situations, so it seems as if it’s a confidence thing with the staff. so maybe not so much a problem with the line as the playcalling…

"If I could start my life over again I would be a pro football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler!" Jack Lambert Hall of Induction speech 1990

by Throw it Ben! on Dec 30, 2009 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

Being able to run and being willing to run are two different things. Arians is unwilling to take the short runs that are inevitable for any team that runs the ball. No team gets four yards every carry. This is still a poor offensive line despite some modest improvement this year. Arians has to keep teams off balance and be pass-first and vertical to get as many yards in as few plays as possible in order to hide the lack of talent up front. But his run-sets in general are very predictable and there is no element of surprise or running game possible when Arians uses an empty backfield in short yardage. I have no problem with the team being pass-oriented. That’s the reality of this football era and Ben has to be given freedom to throw the ball. I just wish Arians was half as creative in the running game as he is in the passing game.

by steeler.lifer on Dec 30, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly
I have no problem with the team being pass-oriented. That’s the reality of this football era and Ben has to be given freedom to throw the ball.

But I just do not understand the logic, in taking your running back off of the field, in short yardage situations. Less options offensively, just makes it so much easier for the defense.

"You have to make it happen." Joe Greene

by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 30, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree !!! My biggest frustration

The defense knows it’s pass. That in and of itself is a playcalling mistake, especially in short yardage. This is totally on Arians which means it’s totally on Tomlin.

The other big frustration relates directly and that is personnel groups and the roster. Ben has flashes of brilliance as a shotgun, no-huddle play maker. That said, he isn’t Brady, Manning or Brees , not yet at least. He is very effective in the play-action game, especially if they have an effective run game. That is where the big plays are possible with less chance of a devastating hit on your QB. They have done it well in the past and have abandoned the personnel and formations needed.

I don’t want BB throwing it 40-50 times a game for two reasons – 1) he isn’t that good yet to take the risk of having no run game and 2) the O Line absolutely can not protect him (especially him) with such a strategy. Is the big money QB dictating what type of offense they will run ala Favre dictating toward his team(s)?

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Dec 30, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with most of your points, and

that it is totally Arians. But not that it is totally on Tomlin.

I think that Tomlin has told BA to mix in more run, but for whatever reason, that has not gone as expected. If the problem is BA, Tomlin can’t really do much about it at this point of the season.

"You have to make it happen." Joe Greene

by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 30, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad to see you posting again Lifer

It’s nice to see the logical side to the BA argument.

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 30, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Cheers Chicago Steeler. I’m not as down on Arians as I used to be. There are some good reasons to like his overall approach. But there are also times when I wonder if he’s not just an old dope smoking flower child of the 60s who still lights up a big fatty before kickoff.

by steeler.lifer on Dec 30, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

He certainly has head scratching moments where I just can’t see his logic in play calls. Maybe he and Ben split a doobie before some games. Could explain why Ben’s such a good fan of his. Also explains where Ben’s got games like Cleveland where he seems to think the game is moving in slow motion.

by Chicago Steeler on Dec 31, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

does that

explain the weight gain? the munchies?

by SteelBuckeye on Jan 26, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

22nd in the League is not good

Kemo pulling on what was their favorite run play (It’s called an O Power in common football parlance) is not as effective as it once was. Look at the stats, they speak for themselves. Running left is a nightmare.

The discussion point started out comparing sacks allowed to other stats and how good your defense is as a contributing factor to team success. I don’t hate the Steelers by the way, I’m trying to be objective. The Steelers have great skill position players with an average or below average O Line group.

Arians and Tomlin do not run the ball in short yardage because the team has proven an inability to succeed on the majority of those downs. I don’t like his play-calling much either but it probably isn’t going to help to change the play if the O Line can’t block well. You can help your players by formation and playcalling but they are who they are. As the old saying goes " It’s not the X’s and the O’s, it’s the Jimmys and the Joes…"

"Franz" in NoCal

by franz on Dec 30, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

we need a complete new right side of the O-Line..

essex is a backup and colon is spotty at times…Hartwig, spotty as well..I dont know if foster is a starter, too slow for a guard, I think..any suggestions of upcoming FA? Would hate to draft a high pick on a O-line man, when defense needs an upgrade too!

by nycsteelerfan on Dec 30, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

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