PLAYOFFS!?!
Playoffs!?! You wanna talk about playoffs!?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE
Yes, Coach Mora, I’m talking about playoffs and you should be, too. Personally, after a tough loss I like to stew in for about a day then turn my sights towards next week’s game. And despite our 4 game losing streak, we stand a decent chance of still making the playoffs…IF we win out.
He’s the break-down of what must go-down for us to sneak into the playoffs.
Edited to adjust for a few mistakes. (Edits in italics)
Guess I was right the first time, back to the first copy.
These are the tiebreaking rules: http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures if you notice any mistakes please tell me and i'll edit the page.
If the playoffs started this week this is what the standings would look like: {conference record}
1) Colts 12-0 {8-0}
2) Chargers 9-3 {7-3}
3) Bengals 9-3 {6-3}
4) Patriots 7-5 {5-4}
5) Broncos 8-4 {6-3}
6) Jaguars 7-5 {6-2}
7) Ravens 6-6 {6-4}
8) Dolphins 6-6 {4-4}
9) Jets 6-6 {5-5}
10) Steelers 6-6 {4-5}
With 4 games remaining, you’re probably wondering how the Steelers are going to jump FOUR teams with our less than adequate conference record. Right now, it’s impossible to catch the Colts & it’s very unlikely we’ll catch the Chargers or Bengals, who would have to lose 3 or 4 games respectively. With 5 teams that are 6-6 or better going for that last spot and only 4 games left, it’s also a safe assumption one of them will end up undefeated. That HAS to be us if we are going to make the playoffs. Fortunately, we play against both the Ravens and Dolphins, so if we beat them we jump them. Even by doing that, it’s no secret we’ll need some help. The losses we will hand the Dolphins and Ravens will only take care of 2 of the 4 teams we need to jump. This is how we can jump the rest of the teams and move up 2 more spots (important points bolded):
Jets: If the New York wins out, we will lose our spot to them because of the “Common games played” tiebreaker. The way we jump the Jets is if they lose a game, which is very possible. There is one other scenario, but I’ll cover it later. Remaining schedule:
@ TB
vs ATL
@ IND
vs CIN
The only thing worth noting is that there is a possibility both the Colts and Bengals will stop caring by the time the Jets play them. Keep your fingers crossed that the 16-0 record is important to Peyton.
Jaguars: Even if the Jaguars lose a game, we will always lose our spot to them because they’ll have a better conference record. Only way we jump the Jags is if they lose 2 games. That outcome has a pretty good chance of happening considering their schedule:
vs MIA
vs IND
@ NE
@ CLE
I seriously doubt Indy will phone-in a rivalry game with 3 weeks left in the season and homefield advantage not yet clinched.
Patriots: Yes, we actually have a chance to jump our old enemies from the north even though they’re currently at the top of their division. If the Patriots lost only one game, they would still win the division because the Pats would have a better division record than the Jets and the Dolphins would be stuck at 9-7 due to their loss to us. But, if the Patriots lose 2 games they lose the division to the Jets and we jump them.
vs CAR
@BUF
vs JAC
@ HOU
Since Jacksonville & New England play each other, that’s a guaranteed loss for one of them. That team will only need to lose once more for us to overtake them.
Broncos: I saved the most complex for last. Obviously, they would have to lose 2 games for us to jump them. But there are a few different scenarios that could happen (this reminds me of a scene in BASEketball).
- -always ignore the Jaguars if they are also tied with us along with the Broncos and/or Jets. The Jaguars will keep their rank above us because of their conference record and will have no impact if we can or can't jump the other team in the rankings.
- -if the Jets are NOT involved with the tie (aka Jets loss/Jets win east div.), we jump the Broncos because we beat them head to head.
- -if the Jets are involved in the tie & the Broncos did NOT lose 2 conference games, we lose our spot to Broncos and Jets. The Broncos would have a better conference record and the Jets would beat us with a better record in commonly played games.
- -if they Jets are involved in the tie & the Broncos DID lose 2 conference games, it would go to strength of victory. Strength of victory is the number of wins earned by the teams you’ve beaten, so that wouldn’t be decided until the end of the year. We could end up jumping both the Broncos & Jets, only one of those teams, or neither. Of course, it could always come down to the 2 man sack races on consecutive Saturdays until a winner is declared...
Denver’s remaining schedule:
@IND
vs OAK
@PHI
vs KC
Who says we can’t be the only team to lose to both the Chiefs and the Raiders this year?
It is also important to emphasis that we must overcome either the Broncos or Jaguars as one of our 2 teams. We won’t be able to jump both the Patriots & Jets because someone will win the AFC East division and be ranked above us.
To make the playoffs, we need to go undefeated AND have any 2 of the bolded situations above happen. It’s worth mentioning that 10-6 also tends to be the cutoff for the playoffs in the NFL. With the 8 division setup over the past 7 years, only 4 teams have not made the playoffs when going 10-6 or better. There also has only been 2 situations were a team had to have better than a 10-6 record to make the playoffs. So if we just worry about ourselves, take care of our stuff, and win out; odds are everything else will fall into place. I’m banking on Jacksonville & New York coming through for us…Buuut it probably wouldn’t hurt to breakout that 4 leaf clover right about now, either.
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Wow
You even included TIES!
Im gonna have to read this twice to fully comprehend
thanx 4 the post
Im all for a wildcard birth!
Ron Paul was Right.
lol thanks
but I was just looking at the “realistic” outcomes. if we are still in it with a week or 2 before the playoffs i’ll do a breakdown with every possible way including ties
weve gotta be the best 6-6 team ever
man oh man. we should be 10-2 n not have to sweat this stuff.
sorry for the tripple post
Ron Paul was Right.
Bengals got
@ Vikes
@ Chargers
Chiefs
@ Jets
They Faceplant and KC UPSETS huge, We Sweep….WE WIN THE DIVISION!!
ya know with the exeption of the KC game..
Guess I oughta focus on not losing to the Brown Brownies
Ron Paul was Right.
Depends on which Sanchez shows up
But considering we should have the division at that point, I see JTO starting that game.
by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Dec 9, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Well once we lose to Cleveland
This will be a null issue.
Wall of Shame
-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27
-Mike Tomlin's idea of "Unleashing Hell"
wall of shame stuff there
"Coach Mike Tomlin promised that his Steelers would unleash hell, not look like it." Ed Bouchette PPG
I've already seen Gradkowski win a slew of awards
So it would not surprise me.
Wall of Shame
-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27
-Mike Tomlin's idea of "Unleashing Hell"
by John Stephens on Dec 8, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Winning 1 game is my biggest concern
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Dec 8, 2009 9:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You got that right
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
however horrible the grinding wins were, this is way worse 5020
it’s like the tide of luck has turned. You know this thursday will be the worst yet. The streak against the poop stains is the only dignity we have left.
Hey doesn’t Blitz say the NFL changes every 4 games? Maybe the Steelers won’t be horrible and pathetic anymore!
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
BASEketball reference
rocks. good info. thanks
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 8, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions
I see the Jets losing two games
and i think that it is extremely possible that the Broncos lose to both the Colts and Eagles (the latter of whom should be fighting for an NFC spot). Let’s keep in mind that the Jags lost 41-0 to the Seahawks, so they are certainly capable of losing two games. If we win out ( a tall order IMO), then I agree that we sneak in.
Here is how I see it unfolding
Pats win their division
Broncos lose to the Colts and then win out, grabbing the 5 seed
Jaguars go 1-3 and finish at 8-8
Jets go 3-1
Steelers go 2-2
Jets take the 6 seed.
Wall of Shame
-"I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Brownie's Year
-"BB is ok (slightly overated)…but he is NO Kyle Orton! I’ll take Kyle over Ben any day" - Bronco_Fan_Tom
-PIT 24 KC 27
-Mike Tomlin's idea of "Unleashing Hell"
The Raiders
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
I think the jets lose 3 games
We win out and still go to the playoffs. the problem with my scenario is at this point I’m not sure I want to see them in the playoffs. Sometimes a playoff birth masks what should be done the following yr and you don’t take the appropriate steps. This team and last yrs team plays up ro down to their competition. Problem is that we have not had Troy or Aaron there this yr and it has had a ripple effect during crunch time.
Not sure you want to see them in the playoffs?
I use to think like this, but then the 05/06 season came along and forever changed that blasphemous logic.
It’s better to have an opportunity and blow it then have no opportunity at all.
by Hypocycloid3 on Dec 10, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So if i understand correctly
If Jets only lose 1 and Broncos lose 2, assuming we run the table, we get left out?
no, sorry if was unclear in the article. if the jets lose one game (9-7) they won’t be involved with our tie with the broncos.
thus we’ll jump both teams and make the playoffs, regardless if the broncos’ 2 loses come in the conference or not (like how you said below).
does that make sense?
the jets also won’t be involved with the 3 way tie if the jets win out BUT the pats lose 2 games (that’s why i worded it that way in the article). the jets would win their division & we would jump both the pats & broncos and make the playoffs, regardless what 2 teams the broncos lose to.
thanks for the clarification. so if Jets lose 1 game we don't have to worry about the Jets
assuming we run the table
i edited one line in the article
the line implied i expected the steelers to go undefeated when i meant to say that’s what we have to do make the playoffs. although it’s still what i hope will happen and we definitely have potential to pull it off
Bet on our defense
With Big Ben and the offense clicking and the special teams FINALLY playing well, it’s a question of whether or not you trust our defense.
Giving San Diego and New England their divisions, would you put your money on Denver, Jacksonville, New York Jets, Miami, Baltimore, or the Steelers defense?
It’s been a season full of missed opportunities, but for over thirty years, the Steelers defense has been the hallmark of the team. Even with Troy out, it’s still talent-laden and headed by a future hall of fame coach.
I’ll take our defense the last four games. Pittsburgh is getting a wild card.
You mean "on the field" right?
Points “on the board” is a good thing.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 8, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Sad to say
But we’re not making the dance this year. Too inconsistent on both sides of the ball. At least back in 05’ we didn’t lose to teams well below .500. It just isn’t meant to be.
But some good will come out of this. We’ll be extremely focused next season and we’ll get a higher draft pick.
One very minor error...
In week eleven we lost to a 2-7 Ravens team. Really small potatoes, it was a forgettable loss, and it was the only loss to a team below .500 that year. I think we lost to some pretty good teams that season, when we lost at all.
'I’ve learned to become a flat-liner. There’s a lot out there that’ll make your heart jump if you allow it."
-Coach Tomlin
by NYSteelersFan4 on Dec 8, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Here is my point
take your pick, Jets lose 3 games, Jags lose 3, Broncos lose 2, etc. I think all will happen frankly and I do see us winning out. I’m telling you….we will be in the playoffs. I’m just not sure I want to be with the way this team has looked this yr. But……gurantee you that no one wants to face a battle tested veteran ladened Steelers team in the playoffs. Well, unless you are Flacco, Gradkowski, Cassel, Cutler or Palmer
o really?
the way we been playing…can we beat the pack? Miami? hell…the browns?
by nycsteelerfan on Dec 8, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
i know, i know
But these guys seem to play down or up to the level of the team. I think they will whip the Borwns just because. Then, hey hopefully get Troy back and they can hold off the Pack. They will beat the Ravens and yes, I do think they beat the Fins. Again, not sure I want them in the playoffs but I still think it will happen.
If they can get Troy back, they can beat anybody.
And I do mean anybody.
or a queen w/balls
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill
+1 for the BASEketball reference
our playoff picture looks like the playoffs of BASEketball. But if all of that happens a small miracle might have taken place becase as well know the patriots don’t lose back-to-back games… wait a minute. Its very possible for the Jags to lose two games and the broncos could tank at any moment like last year
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
Are you people who want a higher draft pick are weak. stay off the wagon losers.
We MAY NOT make the playoffs! no shxt! but we CAN sweep and the scenerio isnt THAT far fetched.
we havent gotn our asses kcked ALL year. time for the tide 2 turn
Ron Paul was Right.
IF..
we go 10-6 and DONT make the playoffs…does it really matter if we are 10-6 or 6-10? if no playoffs, why not have a shitty record?
by nycsteelerfan on Dec 8, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
A little thing called pride
Bleeding Black and Gold.....forever
by Michael Hewitt on Dec 8, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Herman Edwards
I agree with what he says.
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 8, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
You play to win the game
Yeah
That was funny. But we still need practice takling.
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 9, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Was this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exOxUAntx8I the one you meant?
"We just have to play better as a whole team." James Harrison
by LongTimeSteelersFan on Dec 9, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
That would be it
I’m the franchise player we in here talking about practice
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
as i said
no one will want to play the steelers in rd 1 if in fact we squeak in
me too
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 9, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Another scenario
Which I believe to be highly likely, if we are to assume Steelers win out, that is.
Jacksonville loses just once to get to 10 wins, Broncos lose at Indy and at Philly to get to 10 wins, Jets lose at least once and are out. Leaving three way tie for two spots between Broncos, Jags, Steelers.
The way I read the rules,the deciding tie breaker being conference record and Steelers with 5 conference losses to Broncos four and Jags three, are the team left out in the cold.
Actually, I think it most likely that Jags lose at least twice, Jets lose at least once, and Broncos lose at least twice which would mean Steelers get fifth seed IF they win out.
And that remains the biggest and most profound “IF”. They can, still a chance, could happen. I’m still there with ’em. Go Steelers!
"More than 70 percent of putts left short do not go in."
This post made me feel a little better :)
But we aint gona win out lol
Formely 2005steelers4life, Here We Go Steelers Here We Go
Head to head...
counts before conference record, so if the broncos lose twice and we win out we’d leap frog them, right?
yes but...
it doesnt mean anything if we’re in a 3 way tie with another team we didnt play head to head. it skips that and goes straight to the best conference record between those 3 teams. if 2 teams remained tie once the 3 way tie is broken, the tiebreaks start from the beginning again.
-(assuming we win out) the only teams that would get into a 3 way tie with us and the broncos would be the jets and/or jaguars (every other team would win their division and wouldnt be involved). i out lined what happens in the situations with the jets above.
and i didnt bother to include the jags because that would always win the tiebreaker against us.
but i just realized i made a mistake (i think) with that because if the jags were involved with the 3 way tie and the broncos didnt lose 2 conference games then it would nullify the head to head tiebreaker and they’d beat us with the conference tiebreaker round.
thanks for helping me notice that. did my response help explain things?
Just to be clear
In the three-way tie scenario, if the Broncos have 4 conference losses and the Jags have 3, then the Jags get the 5 seed. Then we start over with the Broncos and Steelers, and the Steelers get the 6 seed due to head-to-head victory.
But the likely case is that the Broncos will lose to Indy and Philly, so they will have only 3 conference losses, as will the Jags. In that case, who wins the tie between the Broncos and Jags? If the Jags win, it is the same as above, and the Broncos get bounced. If the Broncos win, the Jags get the 6 seed and the Steelers are out in the cold.
thanks for pointing that out. but remeber...
currently the broncos have 3 conference losses. so if they do what you think they’ll do, they’ll end up with 4 conference losses. and since the broncos have only 1 non-conference game left and need 2 losses to get in a tie like that, they’ll always end up with 4 or 5 conference losses. the jags would always have 3 conference losses cuz they only have conference games remaining.
but if the 3 conf losses for jags & broncos would theoretically happen, the rules say
Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.
we would end up being that “third/other club eliminated,” getting the 7th spot while the tie breaker reverts back to step 1 for the broncos and jaguars.
as for the 4 conf. losses for broncos & 3 for jags while being in a 3 way tie with the steelers i misinterpreted this:
When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card
so you are correct that the jags would get the #5, then the steelers would get the six due to the tie breaker over the broncos
i’ll change that right now thanks
9-7
We’re not making the playoffs, but I’m hoping that we at least have a winning season vs. our last SB hangover (although bouncing the Bungles from the playoffs in that last game was a great way to end a .500 season).
by SteelerFanInPatsieLand on Dec 9, 2009 8:57 AM EST reply actions
The jags play indy and NE yet
and the Jets WILL lose 1 game. I look for the broncos to lose 2. The only thing we have to worry about is winnign out. As far as I’m concerned, we control our own destiny (a small miracle in itself).
Computer model gives Steelers best chance
….to make playoffs. Accuscore which gets a weekly showing on Yahoo NFL page. They have a for pay site aimed at bettors.
"AccuScore simulates each game of the 2009 season one play at a time. By repeating the simulation 10,000 to 20,000 times per game, AccuScore calculates the precise probability each team has of winning each game, winning their division, making the playoffs, advancing in the playoffs and winning the Super Bowl. "
They have given Broncos a 76.0% chance to make playoffs. Of the five remaining teams seeking the wildcard, Steelers are given the best chance.
Steelers 39.2% (was a 62.7% chance before loss to Oakland)
Jaguars 30.4%
Ravens 26.6%
Dolphins 21,1%
Jets 7.7%
For those of you who like mathematical models. I’m really not too keen on numbers, but this pretty neatly reflects how I feel about it all.
For what it is worth. A few moments of your time. A curiosity. Go Steelers! Wooooooooo!
"More than 70 percent of putts left short do not go in."
by euwolfie on Dec 9, 2009 9:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Love it!
If only we could play inside that computer simulation – I bet it’s a lot warmer in there than it is going to be in Cleveland tomorrow night…
"The standard of expectation does not change." - Mike Tomlin
by Rebecca Rollett on Dec 10, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Might not freeze
But probly crash in the 4th Qtr
"More than 70 percent of putts left short do not go in."
10,000 simulations per game
and Ike had 0 picks
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 10, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Mendy spun 27,342 times
"Now that I'm here, I don't want to just be here, I want to be here for a long time." Hines Ward, 1998 4th round draft pick.
by kick him in the head on Dec 10, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
And James Harrison tackled 35 Browns fans
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 10, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions

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