Why Roethlisberger will NEVER be as good as Brady or Manning
by MarkJoel66 on Feb 10, 2009 9:27 AM EST
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There is a reason why Ben will never be in the same league as Brady and Manning. He will never be ELITE, until he can perform on the big stage.
And by that, I don't mean the Super Bowl...
Hello Sports fans, welcome to AUSN - Alternate Universe Sports Network. Here, Tom Brady just won Super Bowl XLIII with an incredible pass to Randy Moss in the corner of the end zone. We join his press conference in progress...
BRADY: OK, now I'll take a few questions from the press. Ahhh... yeah... you there in the back, in the grey New England Patriots Hoodie. We'll start with you.
KING: Hi Tom, Peter King. Sports Illustrated.
BRADY: Oh, hi Peter, I didn't recognize you there. Say, have you finished washing Coach's car yet?
KING: Almost, I have to Amour-All the tires yet. Tell Belichick I'll have it for him this afternoon... Um... can I ask a question about that final play? I was wondering if you could take us through that pass to Moss in the end zone. What was going through your mind with the game on the line there.
BRADY: Well, you know Peter, I like to think this team knowns a little bit about situations like that. (knowing chuckle from the Sports Writers present). So, we never panicked. It's no different. In times like that, you need to be a strong leader. I told them, guys, this is just like before when we won in Oakland, and then in the Super Bowl. When the play came in from the sidelines Randy was actually my third read.
KING: (Gushing) Wow! Third read? No one gets through his progressions like you Tom!
BRADY: Well, like I said Peter... we've sort of done things like this before. Or at least I'd like to think so. I mean, MVP, that's Most Veteran Player, right...? (more chuckles from the crowd). But I knew I was going to Randy from the moment the ball was snapped. Remember, he had dropped that pass before? I thought it was important for him to get this one. We're all about team here, remember? Anyway, I saw Randy make his move so I sort of head faked the middle linebacker to my left. Then I made a slight motion to Welker coming across the middle. Basically I was biding some time there, and trying to get the Defense to bite on the underneath stuff, and giving Randy time to get separation.
KING: But that throw. Were you surprised he caught it?
BRADY: Well, no, I've seen Randy make catches like that all year. You have to understand that I put that ball where it had to be. Sure, I would have liked to stick it in his chest, but there were three guys in red shirts who probably had other ideas (laughter). So, yeah, it was going to be a hard catch. But I knew by putting it there, either Randy was going to get it or no one was. And we still had a couple of more downs..."
[FADE OUT]
Hello Sports fans, welcome to AUSN - Alternate Universe Sports Network. Here, Peyton Manning just won Super Bowl XLIII with an incredible pass to Marvin Harrison in the corner of the end zone. We join his press conference in progress...
MANNING: First, I hope everyone here was watching the game on their new SPRINT Now Phone. (laughter) OK, now I'll take a few questions from the press. Ahhh... yeah... you there in the back... We'll start with you.
KING: Hi Tom, Peter King. Sports Illustrated.
MANNING: Hi Pete. Hey, you're coming to our pro-am tournament aren't you?
KING: Wouldn't miss it.
MANNING: Good, good. Eli will be there, too. He wanted to know if he can catch a ride with you to the airport...? I'll bet you are both looking forward to getting out of that New Jersey weather, huh? So... How can I help you?
KING: I wanted to ask a question about that final play? I was wondering if you could take us through that pass to Moss in the end zone. What was going through your mind with the game on the line there.
MANNING: (rubbing hands together) Glad you asked. That was interesting. Because twice earlier in that game, we saw a similar coverage from them. We called it the Mike-zone45 fire hot. Both times, they shifted coverage and the Mike linebacker came free. To be honest, it gave us some problems early on. But, we weren't alone. I saw that same defense ruin on the Eagles twice, the Falcons twice and... well, I think we all know what happened to the Panthers when they ran it on them. (laughter from writers.) Anyway, this time I shifted our line and called a new protection scheme to pick up the middle blitz. I think if you look at the reply... yeah, right there, you see me hold up two fingers? That was our signal for the new protection scheme. Of course, it might be changed by next year, so don't bother writing that down. (more laughter) Anyway, that bought me the time I needed. Marvin is actually the third receiver there, incidentally.
KING: (Gushing) Wow! Third read? No one gets through his progressions like you Peyton!
MANNING: (shrugging) Shucks Peter. You're gonna make me blush. (more laughter from writers.) But, seriously, I kept checking my reads. I actually went past Marvin to my fourth, fifth, and sixth reads.
KING: (awe) You have six reads.
MANNING: There are eleven men out there, Peter. The way I look at it, that means there are 10 potential receivers.
KING: You would throw to a lineman who wasn't eligible?"
MANNING: I didn't say it was a good read. (everyone laughs) The point is, you need to consider all of your options. Anyway, I came back to Marvin, because he was my best option. I did have Dallas Clark cutting across the middle, but when I calculated his chances of getting through two defenders -- even with his increased body weight and momentum, I realized that there was a %17 better chance with the pass to Marivn. So, really, it was a no brainer.
KING: But that throw. Were you surprised he caught it?
MANNING: Not really. Marvin and I have been together a long time. I've seen him make that catch before. You have to understand that in that situation, I have to put the ball there. That way he is going to catch it, or no one will.
KING: That's amazing.
MANNING: (shrugging) Hey, it's my job. I just did what a quarterback is supposed to do. But you know what? Just being here is priceless. Speaking of priceless... Does everyone have the new Mastercard...?
Hello Sports fans, Er... I mean... late night fans... welcome to ummm... CBS Network. Here, Ben Roethlisberger just won Super Bowl XLIII with an incredible pass to Santonio Holmes in the corner of the end zone. We join his interview in progress...
LETTERMAN: Take us through that last play
ROETHLISBERGER: Well, I was getting ready to start running and then I saw about five guys closing on me, I knew my life was about to end. (crowd laughs) I saw Santonio in the corner and as soon as I let go of it, I saw the defensive back going to get it, and I thought it was intercepted. I thought the game was over. I thought I blew it. And, you know what? He made a heck of a catch, he really did.
And there you have it folks, why Ben will never be considered as good as Brady or Manning -- he is just too damn honest...
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Very nice. You’re completely right that his less than stellar media/acting skills will keep him from being as high profile as Brady or Manning – not that I’m complaining. I don’t think he’s honest though. I actually can’t stand his false humility and phony way of crediting his line for everything. That doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s a great QB, I just don’t think I’d be friends with him.
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I agree bad,
I have always thought his thanking the O-Line and bending over backwards to thank recievers and running backs was always a little phoney….still wouldn’t want anybody else QB’ing my team.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by Frank Mineo (DYMS) on Feb 10, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
My friend is director of special events at St. Vincent’s college, where she manages everything for training camp, and her experience with Ben is that he can be a real jerk. But like the others have said, I’d still have him as our QB over anyone else. I agree that he probably isn’t really friend material.
Thanks
Hey, thinks for the recs guys! I appreciate the feedback….
I have to disagree about Ben being a jerk, though… Of course he is not being sincere about thinking his O-Line is great… but would you rather have him stand up there like Peyton did in 2005 and annouce: “Well, he have some protection issues, let’s just say that.”
He is putting his health in these guys hands… of course he will back them. And, I think it is part of the “Us vs the world” mentality that all championship teams seem to develop.
I think you have to back the guys who are going into battle with you, is what I am trying to say. I don’t think that makes Ben a jerk. I think it makes him a good team-mate.
Re: Thanks
I agree. Kudos to Big Ben for keeping it real…
Yeah for real
Honestly people consider his modesty to be mock but I think its true at least in part.
Jeez people just cant win huh? You’d lampoon the guy for being a selfish asshole with a big head ala TO but when a guy just trys not to take over the whole world with his mouth we call him insincere.
And obviously we all KNOW his o-line sucks. But why should he say that? Wouldnt that just make it worse?
Hes without a doubt one of the best QB’s on a team from a locker room standpoint.
i think people are talking about two different things
Not sure people intend to question Ben being a good teammate by that.
I think it’s the general vibe he gives off – almost all badass amazing ballers do in whatever sport though. That article about Ben being ridiculous at ping pong confirms it to me. He’s just one of those guys who NEVER loses and that has its effects on personality.
I’ve spent a lot of time with Andy Roddick and he’s the same way. Total f’n tool at times because of it.
by Michael Bean on Feb 11, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
and gals
Commentor above you is one of our regulars
BUt guys is generic term i suppose :)
by Michael Bean on Feb 11, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Ben
He’s in a lose-lose situation. If he critisizes his OL he’s a jerk…if he praises them, he’s showing false humility.
Also, I would not go on one persons opinion about someone. For example, that lady at St. V College…who the heck truly knows what happens…maybe he was having a bad day…were all entitled to them. However, when you start to hear stuff from multiple sources with multiple instances that’s a different story. That’s clearly not the case with Ben.
Not False Humility
I think Ben is really trying to be a leader on this team. Sometimes it comes off as a bit forced, but I totally appreciate the effort. If you haven’t watched this 20 minute recap of SB 43 its totally worth it. You can get a good sense of the players and coaches personalities.
Ben comes off as loose, confident but definitely like he is trying really hard to do and say the right thing at all times. He has really nice words for Kurt Warner before the game. One the sideline during the warm-ups he tells Tone that he will try to get him the ball early on some screens. He tells Tone that once he catches the first one he’ll feel a whole lot better and that “you don’t have to do anything except be yourself.” Its an interesting moment, because if you watch Tone, he is amped up and certainly not gun shy. The kid does not lack for confidence.
Actually its worth watching the whole thing to get a sense of these guys personalities during the game.
Tomlin, is loose funny and confident, he talks to his players constantly, he’s in their heads. He has some great lines during the game including telling Ben he looked like Tim Tebow on the TD run and complimenting Charlie Batch on his clearly non team-issue Steelers apparel by saying “I like the sweat shirt, where did you pick it up, Robinson Towne Center – cause I know it didn’t come from our of our equipment room” Or kidding with the Ref while the play is reviewed saying “you standing here for my moral support in case you guys shaft me?”
Tone WANTS the ball. The guy believes in himself, very, very much. Watch him on the last drive. He wants the game in his hands.
haha
Thanks for the link; I’ll have to check it out.
I think Ben is genuinely trying to be a leader and good with the press, but those aren’t things that are easy to “get better at” if you aren’t a natural. I can’t say much about his leadership, but he’s definitely trying too hard to be good with the press. He’s always making awkward, media-aware jokes with the press (“Hey offensive line, who’s laughing now?”) and looking like he’s performing for someone instead of having that “I’m just saying whatever comes to mind” laid back demeanor that Manning and Brady often exhibit.
I agree with Mark that it’s better that he come off as a weird guy who keeps saying how awesome his clearly terrible line is than pretty much blaming teamates for a loss like Manning did. There’s a fine line between being guarded enough with a media that can rape your quotations in the ass, and trying to seem natural and at ease with them. There’s been many an honest response that sounds a lot worse out of context than it did as it was said or intended – the tall WR quote last year is a perfect example.
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yes
Another reason why never a doubt or worry about ’Tone. Supreme confidence + great skills+ short memory. Awesome combo and no big shakes when he has a hiccup.
by Michael Bean on Feb 11, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, nice...I like your style!
MANNING: (shrugging) Shucks Peter. You’re gonna make me blush. (more laughter from writers.) But, seriously, I kept checking my reads. I actually went past Marvin to my fourth, fifth, and sixth reads.
KING: (awe) You have six reads.
MANNING: There are eleven men out there, Peter. The way I look at it, that means there are 10 potential receivers.
I couldn’t stop laughing when I read this! Probably because I can totally see Manning saying this with that stupid made-for-tv grin he has.
+1
Yeah, those Manning lines were spot on. I could hear him saying the words as I was reading them.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 10, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Time to be Great
I just watched the re-cap again. I love Tone’s attitude in the last drive.
As he get’s up off the bench he yells to no one in particular – “Time to be great, Time to be great, who dare? I am daring to be great now!”
Then as they set up on first and goal, Tone walks over to Ben and says “I want the Ball” Ben is in the middle of dicussing something with the coaches and doesn’t really acknowledge Tone – so Tone makes sure he gets his attention and repeats “I want the ball!”
It made me laugh.
Made me laugh the first time I saw it too
Tone reminded me of a little kid tugging on his mom’s dress bugging her for a candy bar while she’s trying to check out at the grocery store. “Ben, I want the ball! Please can I have it?!”
by DC Black&Gold on Feb 10, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
As I said, the kid does not lack for confidence. I think you need that as big play receiver in the NFL. Its a fine line between being supremely confident and being a bad team mate. I hope that Tone manages to walk that line. You can see that Ward is trying to guide him, but its hard to tell, if his cockiness will help make him great or if it will undercut him in the face of hardship as it has for so many talented NFL receivers.
by SteelerBuddha on Feb 10, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
no question which side he'll end up on
Hines is his mentor and friend for life. Even when Hines is gone if Tone starts to acting like plax or any other drama queen WR, Hines will set him straight. So not worried about that. And we’ll be locking Holmes up anyway and Tomlin wont have that kind of stuff.
by Michael Bean on Feb 11, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Where'd you see that?
On NFL.com? I didn’t catch that series of events, but wow.
by sylvansteeler on Feb 10, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
O-Line Praise
The O-line isn’t great, sure, but it certainly isn’t as bad as the media says it is. Ben knows he holds the ball too long, that’s where his particular brand of magic is made, but the O-line good or great is going to give up a lot of sacks. I like that he’s sticking up for them through there are times when the praise is a little too feigned. Like when he praised the D for “coming through” so that they got the ball back for the winning drive.
Funny post though.
Like when he praised the D for "coming through" so that they got the ball back for the winning drive.
That was Holmes that did that
This is pretty good.
Very funny.
Rec’d.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
I love this board
Thanks. Coming from a Peyton fan, I take that as a real compliment.
I love this board. It’s IQ is waaay higher than many others. I repeated this post over on fan nation, and ended up with a bunch of belligerent fans wanting to argue with me that I am wrong and that Ben IS as good as Brady and Manning and will “win more Super Bowls than both of them combined” :: shakes head :::
It's amusing to me the lack of senses of humor I've found on other sites.
It is, afterall, just a game.
And if you can’t laugh at yourself (or your football heros) then who can you laugh at? :D
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 11, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
funny stuff
I appreciate his effort as well!! who cares if he doesn’t kiss babies or if he crashes into old ladies running through traffic lights… um, i mean helps old ladies crossing the street. he wins! I probably won’t ever have a round of beers with him, so as long as he helps my beer go down better during the season, i’m good with it. I’d love to see Manning and Brady running for their lives like 7 often does. I just can see it. I wonder how great they’d be then. I know a ton of people bash Ben and a good percentage of those bashers are in the Nation. I feel pretty good about that because the Nation did the same thing to Bradshaw, even worse. I can’t wait to see this guy win more Lombardi’s. If nothing else, I’m just glad i got to see these last 2!! #6 was super sweet!!!
Steeler Nation is rough on QBs
Yeah, it seems there are only two QBs some in the Nation really like: The one who has a Super Bowl ring and retires, and the 2nd stringer sitting on the bench.
Remember the crowd cheering when Bradhsaw was hurt?
by MarkJoel66 on Feb 11, 2009 7:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We need to learn from our mistakes
Bradshaw should have been freakin canonized in Pittsburgh, yet the fans practically ran him out of town. That BS can’t happen again.
Ben gets a pass from me for the rest of his career for winning #6.
by JHolmes on Feb 11, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Agree with you, Holmes.
We ALL need to appreciate Bis Ben now while we have him. Even if he plays for another ten years, they will go by real quick. The kid is a future HOFer. Some of you only suffered through O’Donnell, Grahm, Stewert, and Maddox, but there are some of us who also endured Stoudt, Woodley, Malone, Blackledge, and Brister.
What “we” as fans did to Terry Bradshaw was shameful. Let’s learn from our mistakes. Let’s appreciate what we got while we got it because tomorrow it will be gone and who knows when we will see it again.
by Jonny B. on Feb 11, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'ed for all three comments
I need to have this story told for BTSC in depth how this could have happened. Had haerd before but never in detail how it built up.
by Michael Bean on Feb 11, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Never forget
Terry Bradshaw was the last successful, starting QB in the NFL who called his own plays. This speaks volumes about his football abilities beyond arm strength and athleticism.
As a coach, I understand why the coaches are in control – there are so many variables. Limiting mistakes and turnovers is part of how you win football games at every level. All QBs are making decisions pre-snap and post-snap. The great QBs are making those right decisions but more significantly are calling plays in the no huddle or 2 minute offense or changing the plays whenever needed. The ability to make the right call takes knowledge, confidence and guts – physical ability is a pre-requisite.
Bradshaw had great talent around him but so did Stabler, Staubach and many others then and now. Bradshaw has 4 rings and he called the plays in every season and every game. No one else can say that, not even Montana. Bradshaw made a lot of mistakes in his early career but he learned from them and overcame every failure and every obstacle. The guy is a winner and that’s the best attribute to have as a QB. Roethlisberger is on his way and looks to be that type of player. I have been critical of him for sure – but that comes with the territory. Sometimes it’s the throws you don’t make that win the game for your team. Ben is learning this more and more – in the biggest games this year he played without making the big mistakes.
"Franz" in NoCal
I want to know more about that...
I had NO idea Bradshaw called all his own plays… Amazing. The only stuff I really know about Bradshaw from that time is sort of the mental image that formed when he played the beer drinking redneck in Cannonball run.
Wait a sec.
Didn’t Jim Kelly call his own plays when they were running the “no-huddle” offense? Also, Peyton Manning is either calling plays or audibling out of them often.
Not the Same
For one thing, they didn’t do it all game long.
Secondly, when a team goes to no huddle they do have plays comin ing from the sidelines often — through the QB helmet Comm.
Finally, they are only choosing from a set of plays.
That’s different from Bradshaw going into evey game and choosing every play and every formation…
Except
There was no helmet com when Kelly played.
No But
They didn’t run no huddle the whole game either… not to take anything away from Jim Kelly — a Pittsburgh boy and a fine QB… But Terry was one of the last QB Generals…
The old K-Gun offense
I really thought that they did go to using that no huddle for entire games. The reason being (based on some commentator talking about being told by Ted Marchibroda, the OC at the time) was that they discovered that they were SO much more productive in the 2 minute drills that they decided to use it as their base offense. Perhaps they didn’t do it every snap, but I’m pretty sure that they did make it their standard offense for a good 4 or 5 years, during their SB runs.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 16, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
The K-Gun
The Bills did go K-Gun (no huddle) a lot. Sometimes for whole games. But that is still different. Because the K-Gun is essentially the hurry up offense with the QB calling audibles at the line.
That is different, I think, from Terry calling it from the Huddle.
K-Gun was, in many people’s eyes, a gimmick. The idea is to always do the 2-minute drill and keep the defense from being able to get their substitutions. You have a few plays you run, and the QB calls them based on what he sees.
TB would huddle up and give the whole system out of the entire repetoire of plays, and the defense would huddle too. That is a different thing.
Also, although the K-Gun or no-huddle has been employed by numerous teams, no one has been able to win a Super Bowl with it.
Terry has 4.
So, I believe there is a difference.
True
Not saying there was no difference, I just think that Kelly did in fact call plays for entire games during that run.
I would say that Terry was just a better play-caller. :)
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 16, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
It’s a shame the way Bradshaw was treated. I hope the fans have learned.
"That's why they play the game."
You people are kidding yourself
This “hope the fans have learned” crap is making me laugh. If BB started playing horribly, the fans would turn on him in a new york minute. Pittsburgh fans go from love to hate, in particular on qb’s, faster than I have seen anywhere. Bear in mind there was definitely a chorus of fans clamoring for Leftwich to play this year. Kordell Stewart played hard and well for the Steelers, but wasn’t always used or coached properly, and the fans started making incredibly disparaging and personal remarks about him, with really no basis in fact. I’ll even go back to Neil O’Donnell. Yeah those int’s in the super bowl sucked, but I am still not sure they were all his fault, and even if they were, he played really well for the Steelers prior to that to get them there. Even Bubby had some good years for the Steelers and didn’t deserve the disparagement that he received.
Some fans make it so personal when the players don’t perform to their expectations, when it is all just a game. You can say you hope the fans have learned. Frankly, I think the fans are worse than ever.
I'm glad I'm not one of these
In a team with such high expectations its hard for people to grasp a rough patch in the team.
No QB is going to be perfect year in and year out. But its insane to think people can so quickly forget their success and beg for a BACKUP to start.
Bradshaw got the shaft, and to me I bet you its why he didnt show up to SB XL. That was a little sad to me.
Bradshaw
Actually, Bradshaw has had a love/hate relationship with Pittsburgh for a long time.
It starts with Chuck Noll — whom he never liked very much. And it goes on from there…
Finally, he put all of this to rest in 2002:
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/sports/1733650/detail.html
But I don’t think any of this was the reason he skipped Super Bowl XL, though. Joe Montana also wasn’t there… I just don’t think those guys realized how big of a part of the pre-game that was going to be… I’ll bet they just thought they would wave to the crowd from the sidelines or something. If they could do it over again, I think they both would have gone…
You have a point...
… and living as I do in Eagles country, I see Philly fans being the worst at this kind of thing.
"That's why they play the game."
I feel your pain
I’m stuck here in Iggle country, also, bit not for long. Something happenned when I went out to Pittsburgh for the SB and I mean besides the Steelers won.
quality frisbee golf Mark, well done!
and by frisbee golf i mean nothing. just a random word for quality stuff :)
enjoyed it tremendously. just found the time to sit down and enjoy it. thanks!
+1
As a frequent Ultimate player I draw that distinction as well. :)
by Chicago Steeler on Feb 13, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
the link to the nfl.com video
Great stuff.
Loved Tomlin telling Woodley to take them home with a big play at the end.
Loved Hines keeping ‘Tone humble and I think he might have called him ’sir’. 19:19 mark of the video. Tone calls Hines sir. Interesting moment.
Loved Tomlin telling defense that style points mean nothing and that they were a legendary defense. So true. Impossible to do it every game in today’s game but they were legendary in 2008.
Well you can really ask this question.
He already has one up on Peyton, and that is 2 rings. Athlete wise, he is not up there with Manning or Brady yet. Those two throw the ball nearly better than anyone in the league. Ben, in my opinion, has the ugliest release and throwing motion in the league. But hey, it works, thats for sure. Plus, Ben has never had a Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, or Randy Moss. Though, Holmes is starting to look like that guy.
I think in 2-3 years you may be saying, “Will Big Bennigans ever be as good as Joe Flacco?!?!?”
Cya guys, enjoy the off season.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
I think in 2-3 years you may be saying, "Will Big Bennigans ever be as good as Joe Flacco?!?!?"
Definitely true. You took it out the context though, let me fix it for you.
Sure Ben is pretty good at waxing his eyebrows, but Will Big Bennigans ever be as good as Joe Flacco at it?!?!?
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
See, your wrong again.
Flacco has never waxed his eye brows once in his life, so how could Bennigans be as good as Joe at it? God, thought the Steelers knew everything about what it takes to be a good looking guy. I mean Casey Hampton, might as well call him sexual chocolate.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
haha
I can’t wait until Flacco gets the memo from the FO about needing to shave that eyebrow. He’s gonna come out of the locker room in 09 and everyone will be like “where is Joe? We need his magical brow to work its magic!” then he’ll still throw a TD pass and everyone will be grateful that their children can now put up a fathead of JF without getting the begezus scared out of them.
by SoCalSteelerFan on Feb 11, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
NO!
Gotta keep the Unibrow!!!!!!! You guys just dont understand the sheer power that his 6 inch eye brow possesses. Did you know that the cure for Male Pattern Balding was found in Joe Flacco’s eye brows. Check this site out if you want a good laugh about my QB.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Yea
Wouldn’t it be great if all the players instead of putting the black eye paint under their eyes, they put one long strip of it above their eyes? In Flacco we trust.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
since he seems to have a good deep ball
Flacco’s nickname should be “the Uni-bomber”
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
Steeler Fans do know everything...
See, your wrong again. [snip] God, thought the Steelers knew everything about what it takes to be a good looking guy.
For one thing, we know when to use Apostrophes… like for example, when I say:
You’re wrong again
Its a blog, not an English paper.
Butt thanks 4 taken da tyme out of your obvious busy life too correct me on how 2 right.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
No Problem
It takes no time at all… education is a wonderful thing. You should get that GED you’ve always dreamed about. and then maybe you would see what I mean…
Oh… wait… with any education at all, you would stop being a Raven’s fan. Then what would Joe Flacco do without his head cheerleader?
Never mind… stay as you are: just barely literate… you will fit into Baltimore’s fan base much better that way…
Haha
People like you make me laugh. You only make these assumptions because it is based off the same sorry life you live. I am currently a Political Science major at the University of Maryland, some education. All ready interned at a well known law firm in Baltimore for 3 months and working towards going to Law School.
And I will always be Flacco’s number one cheerleader.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Wow!
An INTERN you say?
OMG! I had no idea I was in the presence of such greatness! I’m sure your mommie is very proud.
But, as far as questioning your intelligence, at the end of the day, you’re still a Raven’s fan… so consider me still unimpressed…
be nice to our inhouse Ravens fans...thanks
they have good taste in blogs. give them credit for that.
we welcome all here who want to talk football.
by Michael Bean on Feb 11, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
OK
Your board… your rules.
But I’m not sure anyone coming on here telling me that in a few years I will be wondering if Ben can ever be as good as Flacco counts as someone who wants to “talk football…”
That looks to me like someone who is simply picking a fight…
::: shrugs :::
But, I’m done with him now…
He made a comment about the players, that one day flacco will be a better qb than ben. You attacked him personally, commenting that essentially all ravens fans have no intelligence. You don’t see the difference?
Chill WorldTrip
I said I was done… let’s all move along.
There are newer and more interesting threads to comment on…
Yes, it was a joke.
With just a tad bit of trash talk in there. I was trying to be a nice and funny Ravens fan which I usually am not. You said I had no intelligence yet the first thing I said about Ben was that you cannot say that he is not better than Manning because Ben has 2 rings, Manning has 1. I never intended on picking a fight. But when you come back and say that I am an unintelligent Ravens fan because I forgot some form of punctuation, I am going to come back.
All good. Mark Joel, I guess you just cant a person’s tell emotions over a keyboard, tough to do Bud.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Geez
Very entertaining post, MJ66. Thanks for the link, SBuddha. Great behind-the- scenes video! Ben is humble, and at the same time self-confident. He has never thrown a fellow teammate under the"Bettis". He is a gentleman and I know he comes from a great down-to-earth family. I know that I would be proud to have him as a friend and a role-model for my children. It must be difficult to be such a winner and walk the tightrope of being a celebrity. We are very lucky to have him as our qb and our face of the franchise. If Ben starts looking like a jerk to you, look in the mirror. It’s hard to believe, but Ben would be an even better friend than he is a qb.
I’m pretty sure you don’t define who this blog is for. Stop being a jack@.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
Your the man.
Yes, I said Your and not You’re. Fine me
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
Sorry Gatekeeper
lightn up and have some fun with opposing fans.. i’m sure he didn’t take that much offense to it and its nothing we wouldn’t say if he was visiting heinz field or vice versa.. XOXO. he fired back anyway
ok, hug it out bitc&*s
we’re working in lots of new folks to the fold. Lets keep it clean and fun without having to have PG 13 rules. Thanks.
WAGON RIDERS!!! AHHHHH
we’re working in lots of new folks to the fold.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
What are we arguing about...
Why the hell are we arguing about Ben’s personality?…It all seems a little trivial to me. I mean, really, does it matter if he’s the greatest guy in the world, or the biggest jerk on the planet? Seriously, does that change how we perceive him as a quarterback? How many of us are actually ever going to hang out with him, as a friend? Until he shoots up a “Scrip Club” or holds a dogfighting event at his mansion, do we honestly care about what type of person he is, or what his motives are for continually thanking his line?? Let him play FOOTBALL, that is what he does. And let us ROOT for him, because that is what we do. Lets quit trying to cross the line between FAN and FRIEND. We don’t know these guys…we think we do because of the commercials we see them in…but really, did anyone think OJ was a killer when we saw him in the NAKED GUN movies, or did anyone think Kirby Puckett was the psycho-crazy guy that beat and sexually assaulted women when we saw him flashing his smile in the outfield for the Minnesota Twins?? Who knew that Mike Vick liked to breed killer dogs, or that he killed dogs that weren’t killers??? Give it a rest—let the man play football. We don’t pay top dollar for his jersey, or make the road trip to Heinze Field because of his private life or his personality…that isn’t what we root for….
by Heckler's Sports on Feb 14, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply actions
On dissing QBs and others
We have to acknowledge that Steeler Nation has a dark side (I like to call it the lunatic fringe). Not only did they try to run Bradshaw out of town, some had wanted to fire Chuck Noll during the Super Bowl run because…well, just because!!
So I am sure that some of you are thinking that because Ben has won TWO SBs and Tomlin has one in his first two years that the sniping at them is over for at least awhile. Dream on. Beerman, Robert Ethan or spiritual fellow travelers will be back at the first misstep, say a loss in preseason. Some of us are fans. Some of us need to get a life.
by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Feb 14, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions
I don't remember the Noll thing
I remember the Bradshaw haters clearly… But I don’t remember the Noll thing.
But you are right… there is a dark side. Remember the people trashing Tommy Maddox’s lawn after a loss? The innuednos spread about Kerdell? You are right.. not all the Jerk fans are in Philly…
This was TOTALLY worth the read...
…if only for the part making fun of Peter King, but you should have had King asking Brady to become a Red Sox fan.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
BoSox
Yeah… talking about the BoSox would have been a good addition… I sort of like Peter King… but when he gets on a bandwagon, he just never seems to get off… sometimes it’s OK… sometimes, like when he is extolling Belichick ‘s greatness, or telling the world Kurt Warner doesn’t belong in the hall… it makes you scratch your head…
Thanks for reading!
bBIG BEN
BIG BEN doesn’t have to be like those guys all he has to do is win games & Super Bowls
Mr.Murphy
lol i was gettin ready to blast you..
lol am glad i read the whole thing ,maybe not as good as brady (3 rings to 2) but if winning is what you go by he is better than peyton ,and in fact as good as both the mannings put together!!
This was a great read
I thank you for bringing me laughs
by Michael Uhlhorn on Feb 23, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions
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