Trade Larry Foote?
Well this is something that has come up in a couple recent posts. What should we do with Larry Foote?
Do We:
A) Keep him until his contract is up-next year.
B) Cut him to make room for other players to resign
C) Trade him for a draft pick.
I'm all for choice C. Larry's been good in his career for the Steelers and has been a good veteran presence for the younger guys, but never an elite talent. I find it hard to believe he'd go for a first rounder, but hey, look at the Cowboy's and Roy Williams.
Now IMO, he could go for as high as a second round choice. How great would it be to have 3 day one picks and two picks in round 3? If not we could definitely get multiple day 2 picks to help find that diamond in the rough. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but if we trade him, that does give us some more cap room for this year right? I'm not to educated with the details of contracts, but in doing that doesn't it also give us some sort of penalty on next year's cap? Not sure if we could afford that with all the guys whose contracts expire next year. I don't know, if somebody help me out in that area...
Anyway, I think it's safe to say that Lawrence Timmons is ready to take the starting roll. He's sat and waited in the shadows for two years now, and should have a good understanding of how the D runs down in Da Burgh. Timmons in limited play this year had 65 tackles, 5 sacks, 1 forced fumble, and 1 INT. Some of that was from the OLB position and some was from ILB, especially in the nickle package. Imagine what he may be like as a full time starter. Gets you excited doesn't it? Ok so I'll let you mull that one over.
EDIT: Keep in mind, I'm fine with keeping Foote as well, I just believe that Timmons is ready to go, plus we have a lot of depth at linebacker (Fox, Davis, Bailey,Frazier) so losing Foote is not a devastating blow.
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Honestly, this might be an ideal time to trade LF with so many teams transitioning to the 3-4 (the Pack, the Broncos, the Chiefs may begin the transition) and experienced 3-4 backers will be in short supply. However, I wonder if any team would be willing to eat a fairly hefty one year contract for a guy that is mostly a run stopper with minimum blitzing/coverage abilities.
by BluegrassSteeler on Feb 16, 2009 6:49 PM EST reply actions
KEEP HIM
Only I think is crazy to cut or trade him!
Well, for a 2nd round would be great, but late 3rd or 4th isnt worthy!
- With Foote, Timmons can rotate as a OLB or a MLB rusher, we dont have depth at LB and Timmons as starter couldnt rotate
- His presence in the locker room is priceless
- THe salary cap for this year is OK, the problem is the next, and we dont need to renew him or maybe we could pay less for a true steeler!
Timmons is great, but still has issues as a run stopper, and never played a whole game!
by SteelerBrazil on Feb 16, 2009 7:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good comments, rec.
(Fox, Davis, Bailey,Frazier) are not backups for our LB corps. They can play but Foote is the only tested and true backup option. Our LBs are likely to get hurt during the course of the season, and how nice was it to be able to drop Timmons in at OLB (even he did not excel) and keep Foote in the middle? The steelers want depth, Tomlin preaches it, and Foote provides plenty of it.
Foote is sticking around this year, and I have absolutely no problems with that.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
Trade why?
I don’t think Steelers would explore trading Foote, they would release or keep him.
Considering Foote’s presence in the locker room and history with the team they can’t put him on the block and then when you don’t get value shuffle him back in the pack and expect the locker room to remain the same. That is the sort of maneuver teams like Cleveland, Detroit and Oakland do(and San Diego is about to find out), not the Steelers. The other teams would know this, offer pittance and would wait for him to be released.
If a trade offer came in for him with his years of service, they’d OK it only if Foote’s agent spoke terms with the other team and said yes.
PS. I’m voting for Timmons to start Day 1 not some time in the season.
by Marvin, The Paranoid Android on Feb 16, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions
Keep him
Sorry, but this season Larry Foote was superior to Lawrence Timmons. Foote is worlds ahead of Timmons in his ability to shed blocks in the running game. Sure, Timmons is better in pass packages, but we wouldn’t trade Hampton who never plays on obvious passing downs.
Point is, don’t trade a sure thing when you have a guy who hasn’t started a game yet. Especially when that guy was injured his first year and your other ILB is around 34 years old. Even if LT3 wrests the job from Foote, he’s one hell of an insurance policy.
Besides, the best you would get in a trade is a 3rd round. 30 year old ILBs don’t translate into high draft picks.
Finally, cutting him makes zero sense. We have plenty of cap room this year and he will be off the books next year.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Feb 16, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions
Foote is 28 and in the prime of his career
To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)
Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Feb 16, 2009 8:35 PM EST reply actions
Keeping him is fine with me, I just could see a benefit in in trading him in an attempt to gain more draft picks
To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)
Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Feb 16, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Another Interesting Note:
Timmons actually had two more tackles then Foote this past season.
To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)
Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.
by Tim Mullhaupt (HSS) on Feb 16, 2009 8:45 PM EST reply actions
Totally Agree With Mustache
As Kevin Colbert said very recently, it would be difficult to cut or trade someone who is under contract and has made solid contributions to the team this year. Let’s face it, he held off Timmons this year. He clearly told the media this year that he was going to get the job done ,and that he would not be the weak link of the defense. He backed it up. Foote is no slouch. Remember this guy led the Big Ten in tackles his senior year at Michigan. He knows his assignments and is rarely out of position. If anybody thinks we can get an early round draft pick for him they are mistaken. I think the Steelers will retain his services this year ,and if Timmons continues to develope next year then they will not offer him another contract.
Keep Foote
As exciting as improving our draft chances are, I think keeping Foote may take priority for our Defense.
Two reasons:
Linebacker depth: I’m not convinced any of our back-up linebackers are ready to play. Sure they looked great on special teams, but what if we have a linebacker go on IR for a few weeks? With Foote on our team, we can shuffle Timmons over to OLB (godforbid LILB) and still feel pretty comfortable.
We’re not just rebuilding, we’re also playing to win: Remember those plays when Timmons got to the quarter back with incredible speed? We need to thank Larry “The Crisper” Foote for being there on running downs and keeping Timmons fresh. Timmons and Foote have different strengths as mentioned before. Our defensive unit that included this duo is dominating, so lets not weaken it prematurely.
Also, an extra year with Foote will allow the special team LBs to learn the system better so they can step up in 2010.
That said, I strongly expect Timmons to play a lot more next year.
No need to trade
Timmons probably played more downs in the second half of the season than Foote did. He’s not as stout between the tackles but he makes more tackles in pursuit, so I think it’s a saw-off as a run defender. He is kind of like a good sixth man in basketball who ends up with more minutes than the starting forward and has a particular skill set that makes him valuable at crucial times.
Timmons is ready to start and will certainly play more next year, but Foote could be a very valuable backup and situational player. As Betelgeuse mentions, keeping both of them would allow Timmons to step in for an injured Harrison or Woodley at OLB, with Foote moving back in at ILB.
A trade is not the worst thing in the world but I doubt the Steelers would get anything better than a fourth-rounder for him. Foote has one year left in Pittsburgh. With so many teams moving to the 3-4 he will get an offer next year in FA to be a starter, not a valuable backup. The question therefore is: Does the potential benefit of a mid-to late-round draft pick (or the means to move up in a round to get a desired draftee) outweigh Foote’s established value for one year? There is no NEED to trade Foote but you can make a case for the other side too. A high third-round pick would be good value for him.
Options, baby
Quite frankly, we could have played Timmons more this year because our run defense was so good we didn’t need Foote. But Foote provides LB depth and options in the event we have D line issues.
What if Hampton’s age and weight take a toll on his play or any of our starting D linemen go down? Foote’s ability to play the inside run will become more valuable than Timmons’ speed even if the LBs stay healthy.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Feb 16, 2009 11:55 PM EST reply actions
Don't see the trade
Larry offers us depth and veteran skills there. I do agree that we will see more and more of Timmons, but just don’t see a trade with Foote in the cards. Besides…unless I was pissed as a newt (highly possible I’m afraid) I’m sure I saw pacjkages where both Foote and Timmons were on the field together. Keeping them both gives that versatility, as others have mentioned.
You wont get nothing more than a 4th rounder
He really is NOT the most valuable linebacker out there. Even if he does come at a moderate price, and adds depth and veteranity.
With a market hosting Ray stab Lewis, Bartholomew Scottsworth, Terrible Juggs, Karlos Mencia Dansby, and others, Foote is a footnote
The law of averages catches up with you.....
…and none of the LBs got hurt this year. You know what that means.
Foote is still young (28) and at the top of his game. The season is very, very, long and we have all seen how the Steelers D wore down with one key injury in Tomlin’s first year, and how the playoff bye week this past year refreshed a tiring D this year.
Even when they’re not exhausted, Foote keeps a still very young Timmons fresh. I don’t think Timmons is physically ready for a 19 game season.
Foote stays unless somebody gives away the store to get him.
I don't understand
People say how he is so good and young that you can’t trade him but at the same time not good enough to get a high draft pick? This all started from a story on the post saying that detroit was interested in getting him and he was interested in going back to his home state to play. I understand we want depth at LB but don’t we already have depth at LB? Thats a position of strength for us, we are going to have to lose some people, thats a given as much as no one likes it but like tomlin said the days of everyone staying on the team is over, so we are going to lose some guys so if it came down to it if he had the choice of losing someone who would it be? Foote would be the only case in my mind, I wouldn’t want to lose BMac.
Thats how it is though
Certain guys are good in their systems.
But 1 and 2 level draft picks are not going to come towards your MLB who just ISNT as good as the rest of your guys.
Again looking at my other post, LB is a rich field this year in FA so who is gonna hand over a good draft pick for a guy when theres several better ones for sale.
I’d just as soon try to keep him but who knows.
Obviously, if someone offered a first round draft choice.....
..you let Foote go. But don’t go looking for excuses to trade him.
Sure, we have depth of linebacker…and I really like Fox and Bailey as special teams guys you can plug in….but this team needs solid runstoppers at ILB, and I’m not sure Timmons fills that bill yet. We know Foote can stop the run. We don’t know about Fox and Bailey or Frazier over the long run.
As I said, it’s a long season…and a defense that relies on speed and deception as much as LeBeau’s needs top quality depth to allow players to rest and recuperate. All defenses do, of course, but the Steel D carried this team, and we all saw what happened when it weakened up the middle at the end of Tomlin’s first year.
This guy was a starting linebacker on a Super Bowl team. He’s 28 years old and healthy. You don’t trade him for a third our fourth rounder. Agreed?
Never happens
You almost never get fair compensation in draft picks when you trade a veteran (almost never). That’s just the way it is in the “potential” obsessed NFL. For that reason, I think the general rule is it is a bad idea to trade a player for draft picks. Of course, sometimes there are exceptions for good deals, unneeded players, or needed draft picks.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Feb 17, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I think you nailed it there
In this league, these days, no one ever trades a second round pick or higher for a guy over the age of 25. The only players teams would do that for are those that the teams would never give up, because they are too good. Draft picks are all about potential, and teams don’t trade their potential away on a guy who’s approaching 30.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 17, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Potsie?
Am I really the first person to mention Farrior? He’s tough as nails and one of my favorite Steelers, but he’s at the age where a capable backup/3 MLB rotation might be really desirable. Murphy’s law states if we got rid off Foote, Farrior would go down/retire. If we keep him, we’ll have 3 healthy MLBs.
Also, why trade Foote? He’s young and we’ve seen him beat a 1st round pick for the starting spot already, so even a 1st rounder is not a guaranteed better value.
Good point on Farrior
I don’t see the trade this year, but FA next year prob means he’s going into his last year with us. I would be suprised if the re-upped him, but extremely suprised if they went trading.
Hey 36 chambers
Farrior was just given a brand new contract extension prior to this season. The plan wasn’t for him to be rotated in and out. He has led the team in tackles for the past three seasons. Sorry, but Farrior’s fate with the Steelers(going down or retiring) isn’t directly tied to Foote holding a roster position on the team. He also was voted to the pro bowl this year. How can he be one of your fav players when your so quick to throw him on the trash heap?
Dr Del
I certainly wasn’t trashing Farrior. I know he’s a great player and I’m not saying he’s losing any steam. I’m simply saying that keeping a rotation of 3 excellent players will help keep our standard of linebacking high. I also believe in Murphy’s law.

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