Julius Peppers?
by schnifin on Feb 18, 2009 11:25 PM EST
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According to ESPN Peppers wants out of Carolina but will only approve of a trade to 4 teams.
a person close to the player said Wednesday that the impending free agent wants to play for the Dallas Cowboys or three other unnamed teams, two of them in the NFC.
so there's one AFC team on the list if I'm reading that correctly. The AFC team is going to have a leg up in trade talks since the Panthers will want Peppers out of their conference.
They go on to say that
Interested in playing in a 3-4 scheme instead of Carolina's 4-3 defense, Peppers wouldn't say last week if he would hold out of if the Panthers place the franchise tag on him and then don't trade him.
So if we assume that the AFC team is a 3-4 team, and likely a contender, there is a good chance it is either the Steelers, the Pats, or possibly the Ravens. I'm probably stringing too many "maybes" together, but it is an interesting possibility. The Cowboys don't have a first rounder this year so they would be at a big disadvantage in trying to make a trade for Peppers.
For reference, in a similar situation last year, Jared Allen was traded for a 1st and two 3rd round picks.
What would you give for Peppers, if anything, assuming we could sign him to a halfway reasonable contract.
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An interesting idea
but unfortunately highly unlikely. Peppers will want waaay too much money for the Steelers to want him. And, he isn’t the right body-type for a 3-4 DE. I doubt he’d want to put on 30 pounds and be mainly responsible for drawing double-teams. He’s too good a natural pass-rusher, and the Steelers just can’t use a big-time OLB right now.
But it’s be AWESOME to have a guy like him on the team.
by tobiathan on Feb 18, 2009 11:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He wants to play LB
I am not that keen on seeing him and Demarcus Ware line up on the same team either.
by SteelerBuddha on Feb 19, 2009 2:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
for some reason that rings true to me, and I can’t say quite why.
Maybe it’s because i fear for Ben’s welfare in Peppers AND Suggs are both chasing him on the same play..
by tobiathan on Feb 18, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The ravens and steelers both have too many homegrown players to resign that they won’t pay Peppers the outrageous sum he’ll want.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 19, 2009 7:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*if
“..Ben’s welfare IF Peppers AND Suggs..”
Damn my fat fingers. Damn them.
by tobiathan on Feb 18, 2009 11:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If you guys get Peppers
I will be afraid to play you guys. But like you guys said, he is too much money. I’’ll feel sorry for you guys if Ravens, the best 3-4 team in my opinion, take Julius.
A New Spirit, A New Team, A New Coach, But Same Commitment.
by Rayder K on Feb 19, 2009 1:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the mis-information...
I almost forgot that we beat the Ravens 3 times last year and in 4 out of our last 5 matchups…
They are better than us
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Feb 19, 2009 5:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Didn’t they rank above the Steelers in almost every defensive stat? I wish our 3-4 defense was as good as theirs.
by Chicago Steeler on Feb 19, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He might have meant best team overall, referring to the dominating playing style of Joe Flacco.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 19, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was referring to the last two minutes of crunch time
If you look at the three Steelers-Ravens games this year, the Ravens vaunted 3-4 shut us down this year while our 3-4 let them drive for winning touchdowns. To top it all off, Ed Reed picks off a pass and goes to the house to end the debate.
Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history
by maryrose on Feb 19, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You Forget
The Ravens have Ray Lewis. That makes them better Doncha know…
The Top Ten Ray Lewis Facts
If you have 5 tackles and Ray Lewis has five tackles… Ray Lewis has more tackles than you…
Ray Lewis can sneeze with his eyes wide open…
Ray Lewis doesn’t do push-ups…he pushes the ground down…
Ray Lewis is suing Myspace for taking the name of what he calls everything around you.
Ray Lewis does not sleep. He waits.
The Raven’s Locker room was built with no doors, only walls that Ray Lewis walks through
Ray Lewis once ate an entire bottle of sleeping pills. They made him blink
When Ray Lewis falls in water, Ray Lewis doesn’t get wet. Water gets Ray Lewis
Superman wears Ray Lewis pajamas
For some, the left testicle is larger than the right one. For Ray Lewis, each testicle is larger than the other one.
by MarkJoel66 on Feb 19, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even the po-po can't stop him
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 19, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
The po-po. A friend of mine whispered that word in front of a cop once, and the guy must have had supersonic hearing, cause the next thing I know the cop’s yelling at him, and making him turn out his pockets. I was just a witness to the scene though; I’m about as bad ass as a kitten. It was one of those “You had to be there moments”, but still very funny.
To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)
Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Feb 19, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ehhh those are all chuck norris sayings that Ravens fans stole
To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)
Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Feb 19, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry just realized that this was suppossed to be sarcastic. my bad.
To the tune of the classic children's song "This Old Man" (the part with nick nack patty whack)
Big Snack, Silverback, take the Dawg Pound's Bone, the Black and Gold sent the Brownies crying home.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Feb 19, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
This “Ray Lewis once ate an entire bottle of sleeping pills. They made him blink”
and this
“For some, the left testicle is larger than the right one. For Ray Lewis, each testicle is larger than the other one.”
made me laugh hysterically.
by Romain El 82 on Feb 19, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We don`t need him.
I am perfectly fine with our linebacker unit as is. Rayder K, are you serious? The Ravens used to be the best 3-4 defense. We had the top overall defense the last two years and the Ravens are about to lose a linebacker or two. Plus we owned them 3 times. Game, set, match.
by SteelerDomination on Feb 19, 2009 2:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
Their defense could be on-par with ours, their offense is just lousy while ours is semi-competent.
by Romain El 82 on Feb 19, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m not sure why everyone is so defensive (sorry) about this. The Ravens certainly have a respectable 3 and 4. We just have better D-backs. Our non super-star players are better than their non super-stars.
by Varmint on Feb 19, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The ravens defense is often very good. Saying their were the first to be great with the 3-4 and have historically been better with the 3-4 is just annoying. Saying that the steelers defense has been “not so good” in other years while ignoring that the ravens defense has also been “not so good” is also annoying.
It’s also very insulting to anyone who cares about their team.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 19, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What? Because my panties aren’t in a bunch, I don’t care about the team? Tell you what… if you’re that annoyed by this guy bragging about his Ravens, I’ll bake you some cookies while you warm up some milk. We’ll get you feeling better in no time.
In the meantime, I prefer to think of this as a classy site. So, why don’t we just argue the point instead of attacking the poster?
by Varmint on Feb 20, 2009 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To the first paragraph, sorry, didn’t mean it to come out that way. I care about my team like I care about my city, or say, my car. If someone steps in and says something completely wrong about something I care about it I think I have the right to get ticked off about it, and you have the right not to.
As to the second paragraph: because the poster clearly has no interest in arguing or debating, he just wants to rile feathers. I treat trolls like trolls, and I treat someone who wants to bring something useful to the conversation accordingly.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 20, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ain’t no thang…
Back to our regularly scheduled football ramblings.
by Varmint on Feb 20, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a lot more talk about this subject from about a month ago too:
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/1/21/730021/gauging-interest-in-julius
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 19, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry To Anger You Guys
But, the ravens are like one of the first teams to be great with the 3-4. but, you guys were better last year hands down. over the years, it was the ravens/
A New Spirit, A New Team, A New Coach, But Same Commitment.
by Rayder K on Feb 19, 2009 12:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is clear to me that you know absolutely dick about football.
Either that or you just watch the 2000 season over and over and over.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 19, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind, have to go with the former.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 19, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 19, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me refresh your memory
And give you a chance to retract. Do you remember some guys names Greg Lloyd and Kevin Greene? How about a Defensive Coordinator calle Dick LeBeau and his first stint with the Steelers in the 90’s. Go take a look and see if you want to change anything in this before you lose any credibility you have.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 19, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was feeling nice today
my bad
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 19, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just so you know...
The Ravens ran a 3-4 (officially) for 3 years (2002-2004). Not in 2000,their best defensive year, when they ran a 4-3 with Sam Adams and The Goose up the middle. Ray Lewis also refers to the three years in the 3-4 as his LEAST favorite years as a pro, because he was unable to roam free without two big lane eaters in the middle.
The Steelers have run a 3-4 for, well, as long as I can remember. I’m 22. And have been great at it for along time. Look at Dick LeBeau’s defensive rankings with this team. We ran a 3-4 before the Ravens wore purple.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 19, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Since 83 I think
Noll acually started it.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 19, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
peppers franchised
Oh my F-* god is that a lot of money.
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/19/panthers-franchise-peppers-after-signing-gross/
All this franchising with the intent to trade BS seems to be well against the spirit of the tags…
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 19, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And oh yeah, and Mr. Gross deal is absolutely sick.
Thanks for setting the bar for OTs guys, you’re a real contribution to the NFL.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 19, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peppers thought he would be...
And has said he won’t sign the deal. Also ESPN Insider is saying the AFC franchise he wants to play for is either Miami, Denver (who is switching to the 3-4 this year) or New England.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Feb 19, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
:P
Cassel for Peppers – straight up.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 19, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course
You guys will back up your team. But, I speak for most of the league when I say, the most feared and top defenses for many years are the Ravens. Did I make my point across. You guys were amazing this year. But, other years, not so good.
A New Spirit, A New Team, A New Coach, But Same Commitment.
by Rayder K on Feb 19, 2009 4:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You’re an idiot.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 19, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
well played sir… well played…
by Chicago Steeler on Feb 19, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At some point you just have to realize that convincing someone with an IQ of 20 of an obvious fact is impossible. That’s when you resort to something they can understand.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 19, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But
Shouldn’t you have said “Your an idiot” — just to make him feel at home? ;-)
by MarkJoel66 on Feb 21, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
-1
I don’t agree with him, either. But he’s being civil.
C’mon…
by Varmint on Feb 19, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m normally the first to step on people for insulting our visitors and I deserve to be chastised.
Sorry Rayder K, you are probably not an idiot, you just know nothing about football, the history of the 3-4 defense, the history of steelers defense and the short history of the ravens defense.
If you can justify why the ravens 3-4 defense has been better historically than the 3-4 defense of the steelers I’d love to hear it. I can’t wait to hear your metrics by which you judge defenses. Right now you aren’t making a “point”, you are just saying what you and “the rest of the people in the league” feel. I don’t care what you feel. You have come to a steelers blog and in your first comment you state that our 3-4 defense has historically been worse than the ravens, so back it up.
You can “feel” whatever you want, but if you bothered to pay attention to our respective defenses since 2002 maybe your “feelings” could be based in actual reality or something approaching it?
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 19, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think the Ravens should be part of any conversation on strong 3-4 defenses, but so far I agree the Steelers have a much longer (and stronger) history with it.
The 3-4 has been around since the 40’s. Just about every team in the league has used it at some point in time. But Pittsburgh has been using it steadily as their base defense since the early 80’s. It relies heavily on capable linebackers and that is the other thing Pittsburgh is well known for.
So, while the Ravens can claim to be one of the better examples of the 3-4, I think the Steelers have the better historical perspective on it.
by Varmint on Feb 20, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If by "most feared"
you mean “fearing for their lives because Ray Lewis could stab them any second” then you might have a point.
Otherwise, no.
You probably think Ed Reed is “ZOMG! teh best safety evar!” because he plays center field and catches lame-duck passes from crappy QBs like Quinn, Anderson, Palmer, etc.
by Romain El 82 on Feb 19, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
I respect the respect you guys give to outsiders. Good blog site with good people. I look forward to talking with you guys again. Football is a fun past time and should stay that way.
A New Spirit, A New Team, A New Coach, But Same Commitment.
by Rayder K on Feb 20, 2009 1:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why would we want Peppers...
Dude..we have Woodley and Harrison, why would we even consider giving up ANY draft picks for an aging, overpaid Woodley. I thought this blog site was dedicated to thoughtful discussion. Are you an actual Steelers fan, have you watched how this franchise has built itself over the years…we’re not the Dallas Cowboys or the Washington Redskins…we don’t go for the big splash, because more often than not the big splash doesn’t work out. Not even worth discussing anymore…
by Heckler's Sports on Feb 20, 2009 9:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No
Im not a steelers fan. My name tells you what team I like. Love.Bleed
A New Spirit, A New Team, A New Coach, But Same Commitment.
by Rayder K on Feb 24, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you need to change your signature to
A New Spirit, A New Team, A New Coach, But Record
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 25, 2009 6:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A New Spirit, A New Team, A New Coach, But Same Record.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 25, 2009 6:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction...
Overpaid…Peppers! Must have been drunk when i posted that!
by Heckler's Sports on Feb 21, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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