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The Drive
One Play Helps Define The Season

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Back to jubilation and good cheer in just a few but allow me quickly to remind us all that Super Bowl XLIII, an epic 27-23 victory for the Pittsburgh Steelers, was the final game for a number of Steelers. Which ones? Who knows just yet for sure, but we can make some informed guessed based on the past and on common sense economics.

As you'll see, there's a lot of Steelers players with expiring contracts who made an impact on not only Super Bowl XLIII, but the 2008 season as a whole, not to mention previous years.  We have gobs of time now on our hands to assess the state of the roster and discuss what we think the Rooneys and Kevin Colbert will do personnel wise this offseason and in April's draft. For now though, a giant Steelers Nation sized salute to the 2009 Pittsburgh Steelers free agents.

Some will be back; some will chase dollars and opportunities elsewhere. Regardless, all - even the practice squad guys - have played their part and done their job helping making this particular team, World Champions.

Here's the list:

Star-divide

FREE AGENTS:

Charlie Batch (QB)

Byron Leftwich (QB)

Marvel Smith (OT)

Max Starks (OT)

Trai Essex (OT)

Willie Colon (OT) - restricted

Jason Capizzi (OT) - restricted

Chris Kemoeatu (OG)

Nate Washington (WR)

Gary Russel (RB) - exclusive rights free agent

Carey Davis (FB)

Mitch Berger (P)

Keyaron Fox (LB)

Fernando Bryant (DB)

Anthony Smith (FS) - restricted

Anthony Madison (DB) - restricted

Andre Frazier (LB)

Bryant McFadden (CB)

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I think it’s OK to let Berger go. But you’re right about this list … it’s long on players who have made a positive impact over the past year.

by B Dub on Feb 2, 2009 1:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Its long on impact players

but short on stars. There isn’t a single guy on there who is a pro-bowl player or really close. That says a great deal. Will it be sad to see Nate go. Sure it will, but honestly Sweed can and will step up and be a better receiver. Will McFadden be too expensive to sign – probably, but this D did not miss a beat without him.

The O-Line will be an issue, but we will probably sign Starks and let Smith go. Hopefully we will also be able to pick up another good O-line guy to replace Colon.

by SteelerBuddha on Feb 2, 2009 1:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Foote to Detroit?

Interesting tidbit from the Post-Gazette:

"Foote to Detroit?

The Detroit Free Press quoted a close friend of Larry Foote’s who said the Steelers linebacker would like to play for the Lions.

“He wants to come back here,” said Brian Blackburn, Foote’s friend. “This is the last year of his contract, and he wants to come back here and play for the Lions for about four years and call it quits after that.”

Foote is signed through next season but is scheduled to earn $2,885,000 and he has Lawrence Timmons, the team’s first-round draft choice in 2007, behind him. Foote likely would resist if the Steelers request he take a pay cut, leaving the choice in their hands to pay him or release him and save the salary cap room. They also could try to negotiate an extension, but with Timmons in the picture, that might be a difficult decision."

If the Lions want Foote, maybe we could trade him and a late pick to move up to pick #20. Ahhh, the joy of possessing the last pick of the draft!

by betelgeuse on Feb 2, 2009 1:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great call

We are fairly deep (at the moment) at LB. If a couple of the young guys can step up and play, then we could use Foote to get something we need – namely an O-lineman or a D-lineman. This team has a chance to keep building and improving this off-season.

by SteelerBuddha on Feb 2, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hate to see him go

but I think Timmons is ready to take over a starting role. And guys like Humpal and Bailey will have a chance to get more into the mix.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 2, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1 million

That is a TERRIFIC idea!

Let’s face it, Foote is not getting another contract from the Steelers. So he only has, at most, one year left with the club.

With such a capably backup in Lawrence Timmons, you are absolutely right about trading him. Foote was one of Pittsburgh’s best INSIDE linebackers, but right now, I’d take the Lions’ second round pick, and a second day pick for him.

by PaulMorel on Feb 2, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We have to bring back...

Byron Leftwich (QB)

Max Starks (OT)

Trai Essex (OT)

Willie Colon (OT) – restricted

Chris Kemoeatu (OG)

Nate Washington (WR)

Gary Russel (RB) – exclusive rights free agent

Carey Davis (FB)

Andre Frazier (LB)

Bryant McFadden (CB)

I love some of these players, and maybe Charlie will be healthy enough to keep him over Byron, but I think losing this many players with our resistance to getting Free Agents is a must. But I have to say, if we decided to sign Nmamdi Asomugha, I would let whoever we have to of them go. He would make us perfect on defense.

by gimpsta7 on Feb 2, 2009 1:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not so sure about some

Byron is gone – he will start elsewhere – and he should. If he doesn’t then we should definitely keep him. If not Batch will be back.
Nate Washington – depends on the money. Let the Redskins sign him to big $$$$ if they want to.
Gary Russel – I love the guy, but we do have a stable right now.
Cary Davis – hasn’t really done all that much to make me feel we need to keep him.
McFadden – He is definitely going to want big bucks. We have higher priorities if he wants star CB money without ever having played star CB games.

I would love to hold on to Keryaon Fox.

by SteelerBuddha on Feb 2, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I agree with your assessments. Especially, I think Byron is gone (maybe to the Cardinals, especially if Warner retires).

I’d like to keep Russel. Davis can go. I think we need to re-sign Starks to a starter deal. McFadden would be nice to keep, but our D didn’t drop off this year without him. I definitely agree with you on Keyaron Fox.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 2, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There are many players who would be key to keep

But I think Leftwich wants to be a starter somewhere.

"That's why they play the game."

by B Dub on Feb 2, 2009 1:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

O--H

i know the answer is coming. :) So happy about the game, but I am unhappy no one in the nfl press understood what 10 was doing on the score. That was LeBron’s opening start…don’t get it

by SteelBuckeye on Feb 2, 2009 1:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Both

Tone MVP from The Ohio State U and LeBron. Tone was either giving props to the biggest star in Ohio, or trying to show him up……I like to think the respect roll.

by SteelBuckeye on Feb 2, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

they push Lebron like Jorden here I think you guys see it too.

by SteelBuckeye on Feb 2, 2009 2:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LeBron

LeBron asked him to do it if he scored in the game. I thought it was awesome…..the best part is that my wife knew immediately when he did it. I think that my excitement for the go ahead score kind of left my thoughts a little cloudy! LOL

by 36SBXL on Feb 2, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

cris carter said he was ‘putting hot sauce on a rabbit’……really…..

by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Feb 2, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Holmes used

shook the football over his other hand like he was using a talc powder bottle, then threw his hands in the air. LeBron James does this before games, sending a cloud of talc airborne

by betelgeuse on Feb 2, 2009 1:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ooooooh.

"That's why they play the game."

by B Dub on Feb 2, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW had to post this -

Tone makes grown men look foolish

by SteelerBuddha on Feb 2, 2009 1:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

"grown men"

I thought Rogers-Cromartie was a rookie? 21, maybe 22 years old?

by PaulMorel on Feb 2, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't know about you

But I was done growing at 21.

by Chicago Steeler on Feb 3, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Love for Timmons

Hey blitz, I think that you aren’t the only one who thought Timmons would have a huge game.

I think the O-Line for the Cardinals also felt that way. in fact I think they felt almost as much love for him as you did, which might explain why one of them is hugging him in this picture.

by SteelerBuddha on Feb 2, 2009 2:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

They must love ALL our front 7...

…a-cause they was a-huggins themz ALLS alls the timez! :-)

by tobiathan on Feb 2, 2009 2:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to bother you Blitz but I don´t have t f... idea of who the hell does the cover of Our SB Champions at the official

Site, it does appear for me that it was some folk trying to pi.. o.. all us into that it saids that We are the D.all.ass cowgals, I mean We won SB XIII not SB XII, We all are aggraviated by such a bad joke.

O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.

by YeOldeMexFan on Feb 2, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

call em up and tell them to hire me. lol

dunno what to say. doesnt surprise me too much. the sites poorly run and managed for how badass the team is otherwise!

by Blitzburgh on Feb 2, 2009 2:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just call them, or what ever it takes to get that sh.. away. I mean some people get so pegged

to them that can´t send them to … U know where.

I am sure u and we all just can´t stand a second more such nasty company.

O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.

by YeOldeMexFan on Feb 2, 2009 3:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Let me play GM here.

The main players i think we need, and can afford to keep are:

-Kemo
-Starks
-McFaden
-Gary Russel
-Trai Essex
-Maybe Colon, if he`s cheap, but i am just about done with him.

Hate to say it, but i don`t see us paying significant coin to keep Washington. I really think keeping Bmac is the main priority. He`s entering his prime, and plus we have some leverage considering he was hurt all year.

by SteelerDomination on Feb 2, 2009 3:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

kemo

I think he might be out. Stapleton showed promise. Simmons will be back. Can find guards in rounds 2 and 3 easier than tackles. Too many bone headed penalties mixed in with the up and down play. My money says he’s gone. Who knows though – just his first full year as a starter.

by Blitzburgh on Feb 2, 2009 3:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kemo, Starks and B-Mac

Unfortunately, after spending a little time with the draft class, I can see that there aren’t many guards or tackles in the draft who will be able to start in the NFL on day 1 … and since the Steelers are drafting last, then they will have to trade up to get one of them.

No, I think that we NEED to hold onto Kemo and Starks. Neither of them are Pro Bowlers, but they are two of our best on the line. Essex and Colon have never panned out. I’d like to keep Colon … as a backup, but neither of them are worth starter money.

Bryant McFadden is definitely our most talented free agent, other than Leftwich, obviously, but he is going to get PAID. Remember, the Steelers’ D was #1 against the pass this season. I think that BMac is this year’s Randle El. In fact, with all of Baltimore’s problems in the secondary, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them go after him hard.

by PaulMorel on Feb 3, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but also would like Leftwitch and Fox.

O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.

by YeOldeMexFan on Feb 2, 2009 3:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think BMac could b very expensive.

O sales tickets,...and let D rest a little, and D Win Championships.

by YeOldeMexFan on Feb 2, 2009 3:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

After watching the Seahawks get ravaged by WR injuries this year,

I say you can never have enough depth. Especially with Hines becoming older and perhaps more fragile, unless Nate is super expensive I think it would be wise to keep him. Sweed may become a fine receiver, but he really hasn’t done much to deserve a #3 (or #2 with an injury) status yet.

by r0ry on Feb 2, 2009 3:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Nate’s worth a 3 year deal in the 9 million range Id say. Not tons guranteed, maybe just 1.5 or so.

by Blitzburgh on Feb 2, 2009 3:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

AGREED x2

re-sign Nate.

Whatever it takes!

by SteelerInSeattle on Feb 2, 2009 4:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we saw what happened in the BAL game w/o Hines

BAL is a fantastic defense, but still.

That said, I DO think Holmes is ready to elevate his game to another level – at least in terms of consistency. I always believed in his ability to be a complete baller out there, but it hasnt come quite consistently enough. He’s been phenomenal for a couple months now.

by Blitzburgh on Feb 2, 2009 3:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree

tone definitley showed some flashes of consistency this year, his after the catch ability is really awesome too.

by indianasteelers on Feb 2, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh, meant to reply.

Though Hines wasn’t 100%, I think it is clear that Ben has developed quite a bit of trust with Santonio, and Ben will be looking for #10 quite a bit more often from here on out.

by r0ry on Feb 2, 2009 3:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A few key guys in that list

We will probably keep all the restricted free agents (including Colon) who suited up in playoffs, maybe even Anthony Smith and Capizzi though I wouldn’t expect either one to make the team next year. Leftwich is gone. Russell would be nice to keep around but maybe he is a luxury with Mendenhall a better option as the short-yardage guy. There are a lot of teams out there with less RB depth than the Steelers and one of them might think Russell can step up for them and make a contribution. He’s still really young.

The key individuals of course are Washington and McFadden. Would be great if they both come back but it looks doubtful. They will get offers. I really like Nate and he provides a lot of depth and is a weapon, but if you look at it from his perspective there is a reason to go elsewhere. He’s locked in as the No. 3 receiver and now the team has money invested in Sweed. Nate’s numbers and playing time will not get much better than they were this year, barring a major injury to Santonio or Hines. I think he will get offered more money somewhere else and, with two rings in the bank, it makes sense for him to try to find a better playing opportunity.

McFadden will be a tough signing but it would be great if the Steelers find a way to keep him. I’d be okay with paying top dollar to keep him and career-wise Pittsburgh is a good place for him. He will have more success individually and team-wise if he stays because he is just developing into a good cornerback. He could put up some good numbers over the next three years and have a chance to win another Super Bowl, and then still be young enough to get a good deal elsewhere. Let’s not underestimate the Tomlin effect with free agents. Guys want to play for him and they know this team is built to succeed for a while.

Agree with you Blitz about Kemo. He is not a rookie anymore and he is way too inconsistent and penalty-prone. The key position we need to keep filled with re-signings is at OT. We need to sign either Smith or Starks (or both, preferably, but that might be expecting too much). Essex would be cheap and will have to battle just to make the team next year.

Among the rest, I’d love to see Fox, Frazier and Madison come back as key veterans of special teams. Davis also chips in there and will be cheap.

All in all, aside from OT it won’t be that difficult to replace the five or six pending free agents we may lose.There are guys ready to step up and free agents out there who can step in, if necessary.

by steeler.lifer on Feb 2, 2009 3:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

On Nate

I believe it is a weak wr class this year. So for him to stay, it would most likely mean less money than he would get elsewhere and less of a role than he might have elsewhere.
Additionally, you have to think that Ben would still be able to excel as a qb with Holmes, a declining Ward, and a possibly improving Limas- not to mention the pass catching ability of Mewelde and Miller. Keeping Nate is a luxury, and that money could be better used stealing a free agent from another team, especially an under the radar oline guy.

by vherub on Feb 2, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I believe the biggest needs for this team are on the fronts...

The oline has been terrible at times this year, Stapleton was pathetic against the bull rush last night. The steelers need a “boring” draft this year…two of the top three picks need to be lineman, especially with the loss of so many tackles likely to occur.

Nate Washington is going to be a loss, no doubt, but there will be other recievers who are looking for a chance to shine. Pittsburgh is an attractive place and they could get some interest from a second-third tier recievers.

McFadden is a key guy to resign, you don’t break the bank on him, but make a good effort to bring him back..

Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno

by carolinaeasy on Feb 2, 2009 11:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Couple of points on our FA for next year…

It is surprising to me, but according to this artcile from Last Week Nate is very interested in staying with the Steelers. http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcnorth/0-1-650/Washington-hopes-Pittsburgh-calls.html . Even with that article I still think the possibilities of keeping Nate are slim, he will have that Randle-El effect of a SB winning reciever who played well all season being quite coveted in the open market. he will most likely be offered money to be a #2 wide reciever. It is hard to imagine an athlete taking less money and a smaller role to stay loyal to the team that helped bring him along, but I guess stranger things have happened.

Having said all that I think it is importent that we try to sign Nate. At the beginning of the year I was actually hoping he would be released before the season started since I thought Holmes was due for a breakout season and I figured Sweed would be able to handle the number three duties. I do think Sweed is going to have a good season next year and probably will develop at least into a average to above average number 2 wide-out, but we are not ready to get rid of Nate. Hines is getting older and can’t keep up his pace forever, if we do not sign Nate I think we need to look for a veteran wide-out who can run routes and catch balls in case of emergancies. Like someone previously said the Seahawks this year showed you can never have too much depth at Wide-out (or any position for that matter).

My other key FA signing are Batch if he is healthy, if not a veteran back-up. If Batch is not healthy I think he should be offered a job as QB coach or at least a job on staff. He has been an importent part of Ben’s development and seems to enjoy being on the sidelines. Anyone have any idea of what veteran back-ups would be available. We have been vary spoiled in the back-up QB area since Batch has come to town. He has played well when asked and even this year with Bryon we have been very fortunate to have such good back-up QB play. Also the chances of us signing Leftwitch at slim to none as others have mentioned he deserve the opportunity to compete for a starting position if not start for a team next year.

We need to sign Simmons and or Starks. I would like to see Starks signed to a decent contract, but he is another one who might be out of our price range due to his experience and young age.

I would like to re-sign Gary Russel because he is young, 23 years old I believe. We have a deep backfield but Mendenhall is unproven and Willie Parker will actually be 29 years old next year, and a lot of running backs start to decline rapidly around the age of 30. I’m cool with getting rid of Carey Davis, I think we can find a better fit for our fullback position.

I will be VERY disapointed if we don’t re-sign Keyaron Fox, he was good on special teams and I actually think if we had some injuries I think he would be able to fit well into our scheme at LB. Frazier will more than likely be re-signed because he should be cheap and he has been a solid special teams player.

Unless Robo-punter has really injuried himself to the point that he won’t be back their will be no reason to re-sign Berger. Having said that I would bet we bring in Berger for Training Camp to work out and give some competition.

As high as I was on Anthony Smith; I think this is the time to part ways with the young man. I still think he could be a good safety in the league I just think he is a poor fit for our Secondary and our defense overall.

Bryant McFadden will likely be too pricey but if we are able to keep him in black and gold I think it allows us to focus our draft on the o-line and the d-line. If we lose McFadden I think we need to spend a second or third rounder on a CB.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Feb 2, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

with batch

A position on staff would be a great idea, I wonder, can a member of the coaching staff be activated as a player?
it would be a great roster move to carry a 3rd/4th qb all season as a staff guy in case of emergency for the worst to happen-
but maybe there is a rule against that

by vherub on Feb 2, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t think of any real reason why they wouldn’t be able to do that.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Feb 2, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“it would be a great roster move to carry a 3rd/4th qb all season as a staff guy in case of emergency for the worst to happen”

You must not understand the amount of time that it takes for professional athletes to stay in “football shape.” A man who has to work another job for 40 hours a week cannot possibly keep up with workouts, practices, film sessions and all the other activities that are necessary for a player to hit the field on Sunday.

It’s a nice idea, but unless you’re Mario Lemieux, you can’t be a player and a coach.

by PaulMorel on Feb 3, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree with most of this

it would definitely be nice to keep McFadden – it probably comes down to whether he’d rather get absolute top dollar, or have a very legit chance at at least one more ring… I do imagine that the front office will offer him good money, though not crazy money.

by acrollet on Feb 2, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

#38

at least a couple of people have basically said ’don’t let the door hit your butt on the way out Carey’. I’m finding myself disagreeing, in spite of yelling at him for his patented ‘not quite a first down/touchdown’ play he’s made a few times this season… My take is that while he’s not GREAT at any one thing, he’s pretty decent at a number of positions, and a super high effort player on ST. At the very least, he seems to provide cheap, reliable depth at the FB/RB position, and has made a couple good plays as Ben’s safety valve in the last two big games. Most of all, however, he’s a super high effort special teamer, with a number of key blocks and tackles… Anyway, he seems like good value for money to me, at the very least…

by acrollet on Feb 2, 2009 9:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

i just dont ever, EVER want to see him returning kicks again. so frustrating to me.

by Blitzburgh on Feb 2, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta figure...

… his patented run-up-the-middle-get-tackled move is exactly what they wanted from him. They had to be coaching him to do that, or they’d have found someone else to handle the job.

At the risk of defending someone that I was cracking jokes about last night, Davis is consistent. He’s in no danger of taking it to the house, true. But he doesn’t muff the catch and he rarely falls on the first hit. He bounces off the initial contact or drags the first tackler then falls forward for another 4-5 yards. At the end of the day, he gives us safe, reliable field position.

Perhaps the alternatives on our roster are even less appealing.

by Varmint on Feb 2, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

well its not really worth debating, but i dont think he even comes close to approaching ‘acceptable’ for kickoff returns. On punts, I would be more inclined to be ok with just ‘safe ball security’ but muffing kickoffs isnt something that happens in the league by anyone. that’s not enough for me.

he has a KR average of 17.7 yards per return with a long of 24. Yikes. Thats awful.

Of the top 30 KRs in the league, none are below 21.5 yards per return and no one has anywhere near such a sorry long.

Anyway, I like Davis too as a worker and a FB/RB depth piece. But he’s just terrible returning kicks.

by Blitzburgh on Feb 2, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When Mendenhall comes back, keeping Russell, Moore and Davis will be impossible. Davis is obviously the odd man out. It’s a shame, but at least he got his ring.

by PaulMorel on Feb 3, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A little help keeping Nate

It sounds stupid, but Ben underthrowing that deep pass to Nate makes it easier to keep him. Not every team is like the Steelers. They get enamored with a player for no apparent reason (see Cowboys and Roy Williams, Redskins and DeAngelo Hall, etc.). Teams like this might pay significantly more for a guy they see make a huge TD catch in the Super Bowl.

Fortunately for us, Nate was not this guy. We still might lose him, but his ticket price would be higher if that throw is three yards deeper.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Feb 3, 2009 12:06 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

There’s no way we keep Nate. It seems odd to say it, but the NFL has a serious shortage of talented wide receivers. So guys who came up in a good system like the Steelers will be relatively valuable. I’d bet money on Washington ending up with The Bears, 49ers, Seahawks or Jags … all of whom could really use a guy like Washington.

Plus, Washington will be a clear number 2 receiver, if not number 1 on some of those teams. He will probably never be a number 2 receiver on the Steelers.

by PaulMorel on Feb 3, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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