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A quick note here to cap my initial post Super Bowl XLIII commentary. It has to do with 'Steelers Nation' - the intangible term that was the crux of Jim Wexell's latest book, and the phrase used by both Coach Tomlin and Chairman Mr. Rooney on the podium.

One of the commentors here on BTSC that I really cherish having around has been known to be irked by the phrase 'we' when talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers. This is not intended to call him/her out. I know he/she is thick skinned enough to realize otherwise.I understand the point - fans have no tangible bearing on the outcomes of football games, at least not in terms of anything related to execution in between the lines.

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Nevertheless, I write this quick note to comment on why 'we' is an appropriate pronoun to use rather than 'they'. Why? Well for starters, did you notice how Mr. Rooney and Coach Tomlin both gave a shout out to Steelers fans across the globe within the first 30 seconds of their celebratory speeches? Sure, that's somewhat commonplace. It was different in this instance though. It's the reason that there was credence to what Tomlin had to say when he took the job and said up front that the expectations of the job are what excited him most. It's for us, the fans, that the team so consistently fields competitive teams. Some years pan out better than others, and there have been some major down years along the way. Not many though and certainly not for prolonged stretches of time.

It's a testament to the Rooneys business and football acumen. But it's also a product of the expectations that are bred by the unrelenting loyalty and passion of the populated and ubiquitous Steelers fanbase.

How to measure this kind of impact from fan support? Who knows. But it matters not, at least not to me. I'm entirely convinced that the Pittsburgh Steelers gain some sort of competitive advantage over time due to the role we all play with our support of the team.

So to all y'all in Steelers Nation in all corners of the Earth - a giant salute to all of y'all for another job well done supporting the team this year through the highs and lows.

I leave with this final summation: the love and support the team feels for the fanbase is just as genuine as the admiration and unrelenting support the fanbase has for and shows the team.

The way it should be really, as neither could exist as we both do without each other.

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we are the stockholders, the investors, in their business

We invest our time (watching games and commentary, reading blogs and articles) as well as our money (clothing, memorabilia, tickets) into the organization with the expectation of a positive output (championships, community and the chance to watch highly talented human beings perform). I’m proud to say we because we as fans fuel the organization and as you said, neither could exist without the other

by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Feb 2, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

btw cincy

do you recognize that photo above??

by Michael Bean on Feb 2, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

haha, that i did

it’s actually one of my favorite photos of my small but growing image collection

by TheCincinnatiConqueror on Feb 2, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

If we don’t spend the money or watch the team then there isn’t a team. Like Tomlin said in his commercial for the NFL Network, don’t stop watching or I’ll stop coaching. Because they don’t play unless us watch it and support it. So we can use we because it takes all of us to make this thing exist and continue.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 2, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

I believe the term is “We dey”

by SteelCurtain4Life on Feb 2, 2009 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

Last night...

…one of my friends watching the game with me (not a Steeler fan, but was rooting for us last night) said to me afterwards…

“I have never seen anyone with such passion for their team. There are fans and then there are Steeler fans”

I am beyond proud to be a Steeler fan.

"From here on out, the Steelers are bird exterminators. It doesn't matter if it's the Ravens, Eagles, or Cardinals." ~random Steeler Fan!

by amandakt on Feb 2, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply actions  

We the people of Steeler nation....

I was just asking myself the same question about “we” after the SB win and came to the same conclusion as you. The Steelers aren’t just a franchise to us, they are an institution. And when they play it’s not just the players on the field, it’s us. There is no better relationship between fan and team in all of sports. And “We” know it.

by iancyoung1 on Feb 2, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions  

I could never put this much time, energy, thought and passion into anything named “them,” but I could do it for something named “us.” Fans deserve ownership. Without us there is no them.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Feb 2, 2009 9:49 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

i'll rec that

...die trying
http://www.agentorangerecords.blogspot.com

by agentorange on Feb 3, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, we are the Steeler Nation

The Steelers have been around a long time, compared to many other teams out there. For me, I inherited a love for the Steelers from my dad, watching the games with him in the old days. I honestly never thought of being a fan of any other team. My whole family comes from Western Pa. Almost everyone had to move because of jobs, etc. However, I don’t think any of us lost our love for the Steelers. Pittsburgh people own the team and the team owns us to some extent. Many of us inherited our loyalty from our parents.
Big Ben talked yesterday about how the people of Pittsburgh accept him. I believe he said we are hard working, dirt under your fingernails people. This is very true and I think this is why we are such faithful and proud fans.

by newcastle,pa-gal on Feb 2, 2009 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

I like to think that...

even though we aren’t technically part of the team we, because of our love for the team and the manner in which we express it, make players want to be a Steeler.

I like to think that perhaps because of us some players may take a pay cut to stay with us or are less likely to be upset with their contract or the like (I don’t see Harrison complaining about what he is making).

I know when Tomlin said “I absolutely love you guys” after we wont he AFC championship he really meant it. And perhaps that makes him, as well as others, less concerned about money and just plain happy to be a steeler.

by shleeve on Feb 2, 2009 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

I'm one of those

I don’t ever use we when talking about specific actions of the team. I might say “our favorite team”, but I usually use the term ‘the Steelers" when talking about the team, which is neither a them or a we. I tend not to have a problem with people who do, unless the people use it to talk a little too tough on behalf of the team. "We aren’t afraid of the Ravens. They can’t hit as hard as we do" Comments like that bug the crap out of me, but I digress.

That being said, I was very touched by both Rooney and Tomlin, as well as some of the players, commenting on how much the fans, Steler Nation as we so proudly and deservedly call ourselves, mean to the team.

I have been a fan for as long as I can remember, and I do remember very vividly where I was and how me and my family all reacted when Franco caught that ball barely off the ground and forever became immortalized as the immaculate reception. I was hooked then, and have remained hooked ever since, even though I have not lived in or even close to Western PA in well over 20 years.

I’m not a member of the team, so I personally will not use we when referring to actions of the team itself, but I am most definitely a proud member of “we”, The Steeler Nation.

by worldtrip on Feb 2, 2009 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

i was hoping youd chime in :)

And I’m glad you didnt take offense to my post. It wasnt intended that way at all and your clarification makes tons of sense.

by Michael Bean on Feb 2, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Another one who won't use "we"

I love the Steelers. I was born and raised in the Pittsburgh area. I moved away seven years ago, and I go to at least one away game a year and home games whenever I get the chance. I only missed seeing one game in those seven years (next to last game of the 2006 season). I even worked for the Steelers training camp in Latrobe for several summers. But I never use the word “we” when referring to the Steelers.

I am not a Pittsburgh Steeler. I’m a fan. It doesn’t make sense to use the term “we” when I am not myself a Steeler. It makes a little more sense to use “we” when talking about a college which you attended, since you can actually be a Panther, Tar Heel, Gamecock, whatever. I don’t have a problem with anyone else using “we.” But anyone who has played sports at any level can tell you there is difference between the fans at the game and the guys or girls in the locker room, no matter the level of interaction between the two.

I am a Pittsburgher until the day I die. Fortunately for the team, I am not a Steeler (we would not have sniffed a SB if I was).

by CarlWeathersMustache on Feb 2, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually think you help make the opposite point

The Steelers are not just a sports franchise that happens to reside in Pittsburgh, it is a civic institution with very deep roots in the culture of the city. It is a family owned enterprise that is very cognizant of its impact upon the city and its economy. (Part of the reason for the Rooney’s legendary frugality is inrecognition of the economic conditions that have driven so many of us to other parts of the world, and their efforts, within reason, to keep their product within reach of the average fan). Those who have never resided in Pittsburgh may also be unaware of the connection the city has with sport of football in general. Long before the Steelers became consistently competitive, high school games attracted huge crowds; so much so that it adversely effected fan support for the Pirates in competitive years on Friday nights. It was common to see grown men at Steeler games wearing their high school letter jackets.

The point is that the connection between the team and the community is such that the use of term ‘we’ should not be viewed as presumptious when fans do so, or patronizing when alluded to by members of the organization. It’s just a shame that such a relationship is so rare as to seem so strange to outsiders.

by Ivan Cole (RickVa) on Feb 3, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Heinz

Heinz (or Alcoa, or any other longstanding major Pittsburgh employer) has been in Pittsburgh for a long time and Pittsburghers never called it “we.” And as much as I love the Steelers, it’s a business just like Heinz, but with a lot less history. Also, the Steelers do not give nearly as many Pittsburghers jobs as Alcoa.

by CarlWeathersMustache on Feb 4, 2009 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

ha, so what?

Nobody identifies with a corporation, or said differently, nobody spends a part of their precious time and money to follow the every last move of a freakin company. No idea what you mean by that comparison

by Michael Bean on Feb 4, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, lots of people do. They work on wall street though.

:)

Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

by steelguy99 on Feb 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m in the camp of not using “we”. “We” are not Steelers, “we” are Steelers Fans, which is something I take great pride in.

by PensFan024 on Feb 3, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

hmm

well i wasnt sure how to write this post and i dont think i did a great job.

my point was not to try to draw a line in the sand of either ‘yes i say we’ or ‘no i dont say we’.

Rather, it was just intended to comment on how the Steelers really do play for their fans and care for them and appreciate them. As I mentioned, not sure what the tangible effect is, but it’s very noticeable and real when you listen to Tomlin, Rooney, et al.

It’s more that the entire ‘we’ – ‘we’ the fans and ‘they’ the players – the amalgamation of both makes for one consistent and very proud and committed franchise.

Anyway…

I suppose thats why I try to avoid esoteric posts like this too often – very hard to get across what I intended on the first crack, and God knows I don’t edit these posts nearly enough as I’d like to.

by Michael Bean on Feb 3, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

blitz, i'm with you

i think that there is a very real sense in which we can justify saying “we” when referring to the team. i agree with some who have written here that sometimes it just seems artificial, but i think there are also appropriate times to say “we” when referring to the steelers, particularly when we invest so much time and energy and passion – so much of ourselves – into this thing. and tomlin’s recent comments about steelers nation just reinforces this. there is a sense in which we are all a ‘we.’ i don’t think it can be denied.

the steelers just won the superbowl and WE now have 6 trophies.

...die trying
http://www.agentorangerecords.blogspot.com

by agentorange on Feb 3, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

w00t :)

hey man, nobody matches your passion!

going down to honduras for some humanitarian work, thinking about the steelers as you toil and help others :)

good stuff.

man, gotta say – I was worried you might not make it back in time due to some sort of travel snafu. Was crossing my fingers for ya.

by Michael Bean on Feb 3, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks, man

you can be sure that no one who knows me at all has any questions about my passion for this team. mostly people just worry about me and tell me that i’m “obsessed.” like this week when i was helping build the school in hoduras – i wore a different steelers shirt everyday and carried my terrible towel with me at all times. i know i might be a bit over the top, but i keep thinking that there are worse problems i could have.

as far as getting back from honduras, thanks for thinking about me. i was worried, too. our flight left on saturday afternoon, and you should have seen me making sure that our group was at the airport in plenty of time to avoid any problems. when we landed in newark, i stood up in my roethlisberger jersey and clapped.

i had a great week in honduras helping out some folks build a school for an orphanage down there. all of that certainly helped put football and 6 million dollar commercials into persective for me. regardless, i know that steeler nation is my family, and i am blessed to have such a family.

...die trying
http://www.agentorangerecords.blogspot.com

by agentorange on Feb 3, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

nice

i wish i was as morally sound as you :)

i have to laugh at this part:

as far as getting back from honduras, thanks for thinking about me. i was worried, too. our flight left on saturday afternoon, and you should have seen me making sure that our group was at the airport in plenty of time to avoid any problems. when we landed in newark, i stood up in my roethlisberger jersey and clapped.

Hysterical and awesome.

by Michael Bean on Feb 3, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent time for an ovation!

Reminds me of once when I was flying home on leave into Philly. This was right before the Philly/Pats* SB. There was a NE* fan in his jersey on the flight and when he got to immigration the lady at the counter stood up and yelled that she wasn’t going to let a Pats* fan in the country….laughed my butt off on that one.

by SCSteeler on Feb 3, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually

No, Blitz, I thought you did a fine job expressing yourself. The ownership and the players definitely makes us feel like a part of the team, and from a kind of global Steeler nation standpoint I will sometimes say “we”. Things like “who we are going to draft”, “who we play next year”, etc.

I just draw the line when talking about specific actions of the players on the field. I don’t say things like “we ran the ball really well in that game”, or “we are going to hit Joe Flacco so hard his whole family will hurt”.

Just my own personal preference. A blurry line, no doubt, and one I probably cross back and forth depending on the day and my mood.

by worldtrip on Feb 3, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Saying 'we'

does not mean that you are proclaiming yourself as a player. It means something totally different altogether. I tried to explain this to my wife, who is just now beginning to understand.

‘We’ implies a sense of belonging, which is exactly what this team gives us. I have lived my whole life as a Steeler fan, 30+ years of watching and cheering for this team. I got this intense love for them from my dad, who used to sit and watch games on an old console TV with no sound so that my mom could watch what she wanted on the newer TV that sat on top of the console. He and I used to share headphones on a radio listening to Cope call the game. Those are memories I’ll never forget. This is a team that you feel like you belong with. How many fans hear their owner talk about them with such affection? How many fans get to feel like ownership and management acutally care about the product that they share with us? I know for a fact that Pirates fans, hell most baseball fans nowadays, don’t feel that way. You think Jerry Jones gives a shit about Cowboy fans? You think that most owners would stand on an elevator and allow fans to ride it with them, much less talk and share? Rooney does. The word ‘we’ starts with the Rooneys and is carried on even by Tomlin. They want us to feel like part of the team. Farrior, Ward, Harrison, Troy, Ben…. All the greats on this team want us to feel that way.

Very few fans know what it’s like to have as much passion for something for so long like we do as Steeler fans. Since I have the blessing of the team’s stars and owners, and since I live vicariously through this team, I have no problem using and will continue to use the terms ‘we’ and ‘us’ for a long time to come. We the Steelers wouldn’t have it any other way.

by steelerark on Feb 3, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

+1

“very few fans know what it’s like to have as much passion for something for so long like we do as steeler fans.”

i totally agree. most of the fans that i know, including some steeler fans, are not nearly as rabid and helplessly obsessed as i am, so they can’t possibly understand.

...die trying
http://www.agentorangerecords.blogspot.com

by agentorange on Feb 3, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Both sides

I can understand both sides. There is a guy on the local sports talk radio station here in ATL that often gets on people for saying we when referring to the team they love. To an extent, and being kind of nitpicky myself sometimes, I try to avoid saying we when discussing the Steelers, because I have never been officially associated with the team in any way. But, on the other hand, sometimes I do say we just because it’s easier than saying the Steelers every time. But, anyway, I’m pretty happy to be a Steelers fan right now, regardless of whether I say we sometimes or not. It’s great that Dan Rooney and Mike Tomlin appreciate the fans so much!

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 3, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

Good post - good discussion.

I think the usage goes back to the Steeler Nation which is acknowledged by many with the team. In my mind the team and the organization are included in that grouping. There would be no us without them – if you get my drift. So when I use “we” its in reference to the whole enchilada.

Also…when you’re trash talking with the random Cowboys bozos we all run into…or fans of other ilk….it’s a lot easier to use “we” and “they” to refer to our beloved team and the nefarious scoundrels that oppose them.

by SCSteeler on Feb 3, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

"We"

I pledge fandom to the Terrible Towel of the Steeler Nation and to the seasons for which it reigns, one dream, sixty minutes, with titles and championships for all.

by Varmint on Feb 4, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

i go back and forth on this one

I usually try not to refer to the Steelers as “we”, simply because most of my football talk takes the form of breaking down plays and matchups. When the Steelers have seasons like this one, I get very excited about it, but let’s be honest: I didn’t contribute in any meaningful way to what they accomplished this year. And conversely, when they have down years, I’m bummed about it, but I don’t feel much personal responsibilty for it: I’m sure I don’t take losing nearly as hard as the players or coaches do.

The other reason I try not to use “we” is that I live in “hostile territory” (i.e., another city with very involved fans who don’t like the Steelers). When those fans use “we” when talking about their team, it can be really obnoxious to me. And it seems to really bother them if I do the same talking about Pittsburgh.

However, when I’m talking football with other Steeler fans, I do find myself slipping into saying “we”. Partly because it’s simpler. And partly because the Steeler Nation is definitely a “we”. Being a part of this fan base definitely means that you’re a part of something real.

P is for Latrobe.

by holiday park on Feb 7, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

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