Draft a QB
Draft a QB? Sounds crazy. Or does it? I'm concerned about the back up QB position.
If we are to re-sign BLeftwich to a deal for a couple years I think we probably would have one of the best #1, #2 qb situation in the league. But, if we can't sign BL, which I don't think we will (even given his great compliments about team/coach/organization), I'm concerned.
Yes, I know we have CBatch and he is a good back up, but after a whole year away, and with his age, his skills may have diminshed. Hopefully, we can squeeze one more year from him, and then he moves to the sidelines as a coach...he seems well suited for that.
Yes, I know about Dennis Dixon. I know some are high on him and love his athletism but I'm skeptical. I thought we should have used the pick on a OLineman or DLineman. Yes, he is a good athlete but I'm less concerned with trick plays, wildcat etc and more concerned with our back up qb running our offense. The guy looks like the Ravens would break him in half!! Of course, he may prove me wrong, but obviously I'm not real high on the guy.
We know nothing lasts forever. Given the way Ben plays, we know he is going to miss games due to injury. Hopefully, it's nothing serious but you never know. It's always wise to be proactive.
The Patriots are a good example of a "pro-active" team. Last year, heading into the draft, they had a healthy Brady, Matt Cassel (who they thought had all the skills to be a starter...not just a backup...I have family in NE and the rumor was the kid was a keeper)...but who do they take with a 3rd round pick...a qb. Kevin O'Connell, from San Diego St, was Jaws pick as the 'sleeper" qb of the draft. He thought he would be a steal in the 4th/5th round...given few years to develop...may have starting potential. I thought it would be great if we could grab the guy in the later rounds...but Patriots draft him way up in the 3rd...not wanting other teams to scoop the kid up. They are smart, they knew Cassel was in the final year of his contract, and even if they signed him, they could trade him and still have a qb with potential to develop.
The best time to draft a good, young QB is when there is not an immediate need! I would love for us to have a big, strong, raw, back up, with a powerful arm...learning from Ben for a couple of years.
I know we won't draft a qb this year. But, if Dixon doesn't really impress with his passing and give us a good indication he can make all the throws and lead a team, I say we spend a high draft pick (3rd round), on a qb next year? Any thoughts?
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not before round 7
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Feb 23, 2009 6:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Give Dixon a chance
I wouldn’t put him in the “Wildcat” category, or relegate him to the trick-play appendix of the playbook. He’s small, and completely unproven, but I like the chances of players from the PAC-10 to make a pro impact as they regularly face pro-style defenses within the conference. USC & Cal (two of the heavyweights) both run variations of a 3-4 defense with zone blitzes and solid coverage … hell, LeBeau has spent some offseason time teaching the HC’s & Def. Coordinators of those schools some of the nuances of his universally vaunted defensive system … that’s incredible preparation for these kids, and the kids who play against them, should they turn pro. And Dixon wasn’t the kinda guy who was looking to tuck & run every time he had the ball … he handed off to Jonathon Stewart, and he had some good receivers out there as well … he was similar to Ben in his tendency to run outside of the pocket before throwing, and that’s probably one small reason they picked him when they did.
As you said: The best time to draft a good, young QB is when there is not an immediate need! I would love for us to have a big, strong, raw, back up, with a powerful arm…learning from Ben for a couple of years. … Well, that’s what they did with Dixon. Give him 3 or 4 good years learning from Ben, and Pgh. has either a good backup QB who knows the playbook and the system, or a good backup QB to trade for extra picks down the road.
If he flops (and the rate of flops at QB is 50%) then maybe grab another young backup, but as more teams attempt to include Wildcat schemes in their playbooks, someone like Dixon might very well become a wonderful trade commodity in the next 2 to 3 years … especially if those teams keep on losing (i.e. they’d have some nice, high draft picks to trade for someone to stand under center).
by Fahey on Feb 23, 2009 6:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Not this year
I’m also concerned about the backup QB situation, but the QB crop this year is pretty weak.
by 13thieves on Feb 23, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let's face it
If BB goes down the Steelers are screwed. All the best teams in the league are screwed if they lose their starting qb for a majority of the year. Batch or Dixon can hold the fort on a short term basis. That’s all you can ask.
by worldtrip on Feb 23, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well, there's always deebo.
just have the center snap the ball to him, and he can long snap it 40~80 yards down the field into Tone’s hands…
by SteelersVT on Feb 24, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dixon is certainly unproven, but so would any QB we were to draft. He’ll have chances to prove himself in camp and the preseason this year before probably sliding up to the No 2 spot after next season. That is, if he does in fact prove himself. I think it’s a little too early to have a strong opinion one way or another with him, although that being said I am bullish on his chances.
Now if we could just beef up the line and change around the playbook so Ben doesn’t get hit 12 times a game…Now that would make everyone feel better about the back up situation.
by BluegrassSteeler on Feb 23, 2009 6:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope I'm wrong about Dixon
but I do have alot of faith in FO and if they think he can develop, maybe he will.
Best case scenario, BL resigns.
Next best scenario, Charlie comes back healthy and strong from a year of rest.
Both scenarios give Dixon time to develop, learn and for us to access his skills.
by SteelerMike on Feb 23, 2009 6:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here's a thought...
If we’re gonna wait another year, and DD doesn’t live up to our standards, maybe we can pick up Tim Tebow? It is a possibility right? Just not a very high one, I doubt he’ll be available by the 32nd pick.
by paulamalu on Feb 23, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I had that very thought
he’d look good in black & gold
by SteelerMike on Feb 23, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good argument for drafting a QB, that's why we drafted Dixon
Dixon is exactly the kind of guy you want to develop behind a relatively young starting QB and shows the same foresight by the Steelers that you indicated for New England. Dixon is not small, he’s lean. He’s almost 6-4, 205, with a strong arm, an outstanding athlete and very smart (graduated in 3.5 years). He can and probably will add 10-15 pounds over the next 2-3 years. He has a good arm and can make all the throws, though there was some question about his accuracy in college. He didn’t have a lot of experience running a pro style offense so he has a lot to learn but he is already very good in one important aspect of playing QB for the Steelers: he can run like hell. I’m looking forward to him being active as the backup QB sometime next year and getting into some games to utilize his athleticism and accelerate his development. Batch can still step in as the starter if Ben goes down, but as Worldtrip mentions, if Ben gets seriously injured then like most teams we are in a world of hurt. We don’t need to draft a QB this year but next year is a possibility. If Dixon develops into a solid backup, then he will want to leave after his first contract (three years plus one year as a RFA) to contend for a starting spot elsewhere long before Ben’s contract expires. He’s only three years younger than Ben (O’Connell is six years younger than Brady). If Dixon doesn’t develop at all over the next two years, then we will need to draft another QB to develop and also find a veteran to fill in the roster gap eventually left by Batch. To me, the only question is whether Batch is healthy enough to come back in 09. If not, then we might look for a guy similar to Leftwich, a veteran journeyman looking for a job. Let’s get Tebow out of our thoughts right now. The only way the Steelers would ever even consider drafting him in the first round next year (even if he lasts that long) is if Ben suffers a career-threatening injury.
by steeler.lifer on Feb 23, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope your right about Dixon
I agree we won’t draft one this year. My thinking was for the coaches to have a whole year with Dixon and into preseason to really see what the kid has. If he doesn’t show much promise or is questionable, I would want us to draft a qb next year, a pro-style qb.
Alot depends on Batch, can he go and for how long?
by SteelerMike on Feb 23, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Top priority: keep Ben healthy
If we do this, we’re in great shape for a long time.
by steeler.lifer on Feb 23, 2009 9:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
See.
Here we go again some sorry uninteeligent steeler fans thinking Dixon’s not adequate enough to be a good qb.
So steeler mike, are you just slow or did you happen to read all the feedback given to the press about from Kevin Colbert and Mike Tomlin about this guys great potential or are you possibliy showing some racial understones that you might not see in yourself. And Blitz, please dont be angry with this cross examination. Sometimes you have to ask the tough question in order to assess you your dealing with.
SteelerMike, trust the leadership. That’s why your enjoying the Superbowl victory.
by C-Mac on Feb 23, 2009 10:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow...
I know that there’s occasional problems with stereotyping on all message boards, but this post? He’s saying he’d like to bring back Lefty who is not white. I don’t think Mike deserves that type of question based on what he said in his post.
by Chicago Steeler on Feb 23, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you seriously
Bring the race card into this? Why is that a card anyone plays unless a slur is uttered or something else profoundly bad. Im sorry but there is no place for that here. There is no racial divide on a team (let alone a sport) with black head coaches and teammates of all races. If you are black you should be ashamed of yourself for fostering prejudice and keeping that topic in your pocket to harass anyone you dont like.
by gimpsta7 on Feb 23, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uninteeligent
I have to laugh at someone questioning someones elses intelligence with so many misspellings and improper words used in their post.
by worldtrip on Feb 23, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think more than half of your comments have been calling guys out for racism.
Or is my analyzing of you in this way also racist?
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Feb 24, 2009 5:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously C-Mac
There’s really not many more rationale fans than Steeler Mike on this entire site. He and Steeler Domination come to mind as guys who just quietly go about making insightful points about the team without a lick of controversy. Bad call her bud.
And while we’re on the subject, you seem to be very eager to call out other people for this and that. Be a part of the group man. We all hit on some and miss on some. C’mon now.
With ALL that said, I don’t disagree that some are discounting Dixon’s potential. I happen to be VERY high on the guy and that can be traced back to this past preseason in the archives. Perhaps I’ll readress the subject soon. But don’t cry wolf on good peeps here please. It’s just going to get called out like this was by the peanut gallery.
by Blitzburgh on Feb 24, 2009 6:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ps
dont take this at me ‘getting mad for your cross examination’. Take this as me ‘looking out’. That’s all.
by Blitzburgh on Feb 24, 2009 6:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dixon
I like his potential, although I agree the dude looks tiny out there. Every game I’ve been to I watch him warming up and think that he looks like a lanky high school kid rather than a pro player. I too worry about him being able to take hits, but feel like his athleticm will serve him well in that respect, to slide away and never take full on hits.
by Chicago Steeler on Feb 23, 2009 11:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pat White
4-5th rounds. If you get him then, yes. If you dont, then there isnt a quarterback worth picking up this year for the price.
Pat White has a good arm, but is a great runner. He would be a return specialist and could be the explosive returner Santonio is for every time we receive a ball.
by gimpsta7 on Feb 23, 2009 11:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pat White has been wowing everyone at the combine...
There is talk of Pat White going as high as the 2nd round right now. If he shows he has even half decent skills at WR, at his pro day there is no way he falls below the 3rd round.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Feb 24, 2009 7:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's if
he is willing to play WR. I’ve DVRed the NFLN’s coverage and haven’t finished watching the QB portion. Did he do any WR drills (e.g. the gauntlet, running routes, etc.)? My understanding was that he would do all the QB drills but not lift, but he wouldn’t do any WR or RB drills.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 24, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No he didn't do any WR or RB drills...
He is planning to do so at his pro day, but he was looked good even as a quarterback this week.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/24/pat-white-might-want-to-reconsider-his-pro-day-regimen/
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Feb 24, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I agree
I just didn’t realize he was looking good enough to be talked about as a 2nd round QB only. Seeing his interviews, I really liked him a lot. Seems like a very sincere, motivated, just overall good kid.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 24, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone will take Pat White thinking he MIGHT just be a NFL quality QB someday. Which is a shame really since he could be a nice slot receiver/returner/gadget play guy. He might be an okay backup QB sometime, but he could be really wicked as a slot receiver.
by BluegrassSteeler on Feb 24, 2009 12:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ
Firstly I think Dixon has potential to backup at least. And If a game DOES come down to the line, and Ben is on the bench, gimme a guy with at least some play making ability like Dixon.
Now on another note. You mention it being sure that Ben will miss games.
Mr RuthlessBerg managed to start every game this year, and got knocked down like 200 times. If we improve that O-line, odds say he’ll start all games next year too.
by Mechem on Feb 24, 2009 1:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
only problem with that assessment...
you have to go back a long time to find a quarterback that can take 200+ hits, season AFTER season… If Ben has 3 more seasons like this one, (hit wise), there’s no way he will handle that. I don’t think anyone could, honestly. The guy has a bulls eye on his back, and gets hit late more occasionally than I’d like as well.
by SteelersVT on Feb 24, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New England
Could have used a cornerback instead of another QB. Just my opinion. The only way you take a QB is if it’s late in the draft and it’s your best choice due to remaining talent pool or it’s a Randall El situation. All that said you do not go into this draft thinking you are going to draft a qb. Every year you should evaluate every position, no matter who is on your roster, but some positions carry scenarios like: if this player X is available in X round we’ll take them. You have to trust your evaluation process. Example: if you have a top ten talent on you list available at 32 then you take him or a top 25 talent available at 64 then you seriously look at taking them now and push back your target positions.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 24, 2009 8:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I tink the FO already beat you to it 1 year ago ..
as has been said we can’t rely 100% on Batch, esp. as he’s proven he’s made of glass, so we need to go out and draft us a good QB prospect with a 4/5/6th round pick and sit him for a year or two to develop into a legit #2 …
DD is exactly that person, so the FO plan is being executed perfectly .. I don’t think anyone has seen enough to even begin to know whether DD can make it but there’s no way you can go out and draft another QB .. not this year.
You have to assume Lefty is gone, so that leaves, BB, Charlie and DD as a 1-2-3 set in stone. The only change I could see to that is if Charlie can’t make it back from his injury .. if that’s the case then I see us trawling around for an experienced back up QB but not drafting one ..
by Rash92 on Feb 24, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with ...
this train of thought with the exception of the source. I would prefer a talented QB two or three years out of college. Don’t ask me for a name as I don’t have one.
by tenthmtnman on Feb 24, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Brady Quinn, Drew Stanton, Matt Leinart, Kellen Clemmons, Brodie Croyle, Bruce Gradkowski, D.J. Shockley, John Beck, Jordan Palmer or Tyler Thigpen. Oh Tren Ewdards pick one. I think I’ll stick with Dixon.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 24, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody on your ...
list strikes my fancy.
by tenthmtnman on Feb 24, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You said Matt below
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 24, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's because ...
I was referrring to Matt Cassell from the article’s list not yours. My point being, that in the long laundry list of young QBs or available QBs only two seemed worthy of black and gold.
by tenthmtnman on Feb 24, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah I see
said the blind man to the deaf lady.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 24, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tag along ...
reading assignment. Only two names drew my desire … Byron and Matt.
by tenthmtnman on Feb 24, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, C-Mac I would have responded sooner to your post
except I was at my weekly KKK meeting!!! No, wait a minute…I was actually engrossed with my favorite book ‘Uncle Tom’s Cabin," and couldn’t put it down.
Pleaasssse with the “race card”….you played the race card b/c I said I wasn’t high on Dixon!?! What!?!I don’t care what all the experts said about his potential…what, I’m not entitled to my own opinion???? I think the guy looks like he will break in half and he shot-puts the ball….the whole purpose of this site is to debate opinions!
I also said “I hope I’m wrong about him”…did you not see that post…did you see where I said I trust front office.!?! I know…you must have missed that one while you were looking up how to spell “intelligent” or should I say “uninteeligent”…what a dumb-ass!!!
I repeat…what a dumb-ass!!!! how do you explain the fact I want Leftwich back…is he not black enough for you!!!! Or how about when I said Batch may still be a good back up…is he not black enough for you!!
No, you didn’t care to comment on that because then you couldn’t play the race card. You conveniently disregarded all those facts…why??? because your a dumb-ass just waiting to play the race card.
C-Mac, if there is anybody who"has racial undertones they may not see", I suspect it’s you.
There is alot more I could say, but I think I’ve wasted enough of my time (and space on this great Steeler site!!!) responding to your “uninteeligent” comments…and more importantly I’ve got to get back to…
Uncle Tom’s Cabin…..LOL!!!
by SteelerMike on Feb 24, 2009 4:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Leftwich
Is too black. He’s from D.C. you can’t get any blacker than that. Wait a minute…..what am I saying? I can’t say that I might be labeled racist. I’ve been told I’m not black enough. Even though I graduated high school from Central High in Capital Heights Maryland. Look it up. It’s 90-95% black. Wait…again…black enough for what? Confused yet? Good because I am too.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 24, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We will draft a quarterback next year, not in 2009.
by yinz on Feb 25, 2009 9:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey.
To all those extremely over reacting people who didnt not like my response to the drafting a QB situation. Too damed bad. Like I said in previous blogs, some of you (accept for me) are unable to deal with truth. See what I mean.
As far as the typos go. Don’t be a fool this not a term paper people.
Remember when some of you were bent out of shape when coach Tomlin was given the head coach position? And his play calling was questioned in the wildcard game against theJags. Seemed everybody wanted BA fired and coach T’s staffing choices were being questioned.
But anyway, I do want to say I’m sorry for making those statments. To especially SteelerMike im sure you’re a cool dude. And Blitz and the rest of the Steeler blog family. Hope you all will forgive me. But some of you need to start dealing with truth.
by C-Mac on Feb 25, 2009 10:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, maybe ...
it was a good response—to a different post … :o) :o).
You should treat every response like a term paper and try to improve your writing. There is nothing wrong with high standards.
by tenthmtnman on Feb 25, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
This isn’t Cleveland
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 25, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahhahhahahahahah......
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Feb 25, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 25, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
C-Mac, thanks for apologizing but
What is this "truth’ you keep referring to?
You mention this twice in your post…“unable deal with the truth” and “need to start dealing with truth.”
Honestly, I’m confused. Again, if this "truth’ has something to do with race I’m even more confused. If I truly had a problem with Dixon because he’s black, then I certainly would have a problem with BL, CB…which I obviously don’t.
Hey, your entitled to your opinion, if you want to claim my post is racially motivated, even after reading the whole post, then that’s fine. But, I think if you objectively re-read it, you’ll see my points.
Also, check my posting history,,,I’ve been on board with Coach Tomlin since day 1…I thought it was a great hire when most didn’t know who he was. I didn’t dislike him or like him because he was black, I liked him and now love him because he is a great coach, period.
One of my former coaches in college, Clyde Christenson, who is now the receivers coach with the Colts (great, great coach btw) used to tell us…“my decisions about playing time are not based on the color of your skin, it’s not about black or white, it’s all about what you do on the field, whoever plays the best, plays the most, I don’t care if your black, white, or purple.”
I agree. To me, that’s the truth.
by SteelerMike on Feb 25, 2009 11:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Again.
I’m very sorry. SteelerMike and the rest of the wonderful SteelerNation.
Hey Mike, I never said you werent an advocate of Tomlin. I was just saying some were and I think it may have to do with race. And hey people, race and politics do sometimes go hand in hand. Please dont tell me it doesnt. And race plays into it.
Some of you probably dont know or ingnore the fact that when Doug Williams (Superbowl Champion) played for the Bucs, he was the lowest payed qb in the league including six bench players. Look it up.
It just reminds me of the comment our wonderful United States Attorney General said in a recent press confrence regarding race. “some people are cowards”. Like some of you who are unwilling to accept my apology even when I have demonstrated full atonement. You seemed to have become irate and borderline out of control.
Dont you just love our Attorney General. But if its cool by you all lets stay with football.
Go Steelers!
by C-Mac on Feb 26, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Doug Williams
You heard that on NFL Total Access last night! ;)
I definitely agree with sticking to football. I come here to kind of escape from all of the political and other BS that causes disagreements, so I would prefer that those issues be avoided if at all possible.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 26, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to say this and then leave it alone
Prejudice is human. As a matter of fact you can’t function without it in it’s purest form. It works in your subconscience. It’s used to keep you from making the same mistake over and over again. However in some circumstances you have the ability to make decisions based on a set of values separate from the ones that are subconscious. Now, let me say this. Your actions are much more productive than your words. If you see a problem it is best to fix it with action rather than words. Words are misread much more often than actions. Words don’t feed children but actions do. If I tell someone I love them it’s much less affective than meeting their needs. My point? You can talk until you are blue in the face. You can scream the problem from the rooftop, but until you shut up and do something about it you’ll be labeled.
I was discriminated against over and over in the 70’s and early 80’s. I never once cried foul. I have been called every name in the book for a black man. I never returned the favor. Why? Because I had friends of all races. If I lower my argument to a race war I disrespect my friends of that race. Some may be able to, but I could not look those friends in the eye if I did that.
If you want to fix the problem, you need to first off realize it exists, shake it off when it raises its head, serve your enemies, and most of all have integrity. Be the same no matter where you are. I try my best to be “what you see is what you get.” My family sees the same thing in me at home that you see in me in the street.
You can’t change a racist with your words. No need to reply….YES, let’s stick with football.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 26, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't possibly improve on your input about race
But I do want to know which ones of us are “borderline out of control” according to Cmac. And provide specfic examples of the borderline out of controlishness please. Thanks.
by worldtrip on Feb 26, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You got me
I really haven’t made any judgements about anyone….and I won’t.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Feb 26, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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