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Draft Thoughts After the Combine

There's a lot of interesting fallout from the combine, here's a rundown of things that concern the Steelers:

Andre Smith kills his draft status. In a year that once again has 7 or so top of the line OLs even the slightest set back could cost you millions, but for someone who earlier was in the top three best OLs and a lock to be drafted in the top ten, Smith could hardly have done more to make it worse. Some writers have suggested he might slide out of the first round entirely, certainly an overstatement, but if he slides far enough down could the Steelers trade up to get him?

As an Alabama fan I've been watching Smith for three years and he's got the tools to be a great lineman. I would be thrilled to land him.

Michael Oher was exposed too. His draft status was inflated more from the book he was featured in (The Blind Side) than his own ability. He still projects to be a mid first round pick. 

The WR crop looks deep. The big news from the combine was all around speed and agility in the WR position. If the Steelers aren't be able to sign Nate Washington to a reasonable contract they might be looking to snag a WR late. 

The CB crop is deep as well. With the big contracts being handed out to CBs this year (see Asomugha's 50mil deal) it is looking more and more unlikely that the Steelers will be able to resign McFadden. The goodnews is that there should be several quality CBs in the second round.

Winning does several things for a team. One of benefits is that it takes the pressure off the draft. Not that it becomes less a priority, but it clears the table of all extraneous questions such as A) what will the fans think of this pick? or B) what's the safest pick? 

The way I see it is with some of the turmoil and attrition in the OL rankings the Steelers's first round pick can only improve as teams (feeling the pressure to draft safe) fill other positions. With our second pick we can take a CB. And with the third or fourth pick snag a speedy WR that can double as the return guy.

 

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From ESPN AFC North Blogger James Walker

Max Unger, … recorded just 22 reps. USC place kicker David Buehler did 25 reps and is about 70 pounds lighter.

I’ve seen Unger on a number of mock drafts for us. Please god no. He looks a lot like the mediocre linemen we already have, except less athletic. If we take Unger over Mack I will shoot myself.

by BallsofSteel on Feb 23, 2009 7:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Unger

I have to say that what I saw of Unger at the combine looked pretty decent. Particularly, the drive-blocking drills. Of course, I’m not a coach, so maybe I was just swayed by Mayock talking about him being a really solid, safe pick. I didn’t see any of Mack, but I didn’t realize that he was injured (just read it in another post here on BTSC).

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 24, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wat about DL

I would hope we’d take a DL in the 2nd round. We’re getting too old in that area.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 23, 2009 8:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Mack is around he’s a no brainer, but there’s a good possibility that the Fins or Titans might draft him. If Duke Robinson is gone by then as well I would say it’s quite possible that we go CB in the first round.

Unger might not put up big numbers on the bench, but that probably isn’t that important compared to the kind of function strength he’s displayed on the field. Still, i’m suspicious of any lineman that works out of the spread.

by BluegrassSteeler on Feb 23, 2009 8:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

any reason why?

you’re suspicious of any lineman in the spread? I’m ignorant on this matter.

by tannofsteel84 on Feb 23, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One addendum:

My whole point with the spread offense in college is that many spread QB’s come in not knowing how to read defenses or to pick up the bliz. And it seems it might be something that affects spread centers as well.

by BluegrassSteeler on Feb 23, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I missed this the first read through, great use of the rec flag.

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by steelguy99 on Feb 24, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't be shocked by a corner in round one

one thing we’ve learned from the kevin colbert era is that if they really like a guy they’ll get him whether his is a position of immediate need or not. Mendenhall last year is an example, as was the pick of woodley (after taking timmons in the first round) two years ago. Dennis Dixon might even fit that description. Yes, they probably needed an o or d lineman more in that spot, but they saw something in dixon they thought was special. we may see something similar at the top of this draft. i don’t know who the big name corners are, but if there’s a guy there at 32 who the steelers have higher up on their own board, a guy they think is special, it shouldn’t be surprising if they take him. they seem to have enough confidence in their drafting ability that they feel they have the whole draft to address their line needs, not just round 1.

by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 23, 2009 8:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys

Well I know we’re kinda okay at the safety position, but I see Patrick Chung as a great potential backup for Troy P. Definitely not kicking out Troy but Tyrone Carter is getting a bit aged, in his ninth season. I think this kid could be a Pro-Bowl caliber safety if he learns from our own Pola-bear. What do you guys think?

by paulamalu on Feb 23, 2009 8:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’d be fine with it – he’s a talent and we might be able to put him at FS so we don’t have to resign Ryan Clark (who I love).

I’ll say this for Carter, he has a real knack for having tipped passes fall to him in garbage time. He has more interceptions than Ike this year. Not that it’s hard to do.

by BluegrassSteeler on Feb 23, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

p.s. - weakness of the spread lineman

they rarely put their hands in the dirt. i know we were talking about a center but the scheme is all reach blocking, pulling uncovered linemen, some double-and-chip techniques. they’re always in two-point stances and when they pass protect everyone’s in the shotgun and the ball comes out so quick. it’s not like the pro scheme at all. pro coaches want to see their hands in the dirt and how they drive block, how they set up against an outside speed rusher, etc… the spread scheme doesn’t train linemen for the power game of the pros.

what will be interesting is this: will pro coaches continue to seek players who fit into their so-called “pro” schemes or will they assimilate more of the spread scheme to adapt to the incoming talent?

by cliff harris is still a punk! on Feb 23, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Alot of players improved their stock during the combine

With that being said, I think the Steelers are in great position when it comes to pick #32. At the tackle position, William Beatty has added some beef and strength and he should be available. Eben Britton may also be available and has the ability to be a quality tackle. Phil Loadholt is massive and would be ideally suited at right tackle. Unger needs to gain strength but his versatility is amazing. Duke Robinson is an absolute road grader who could plug in immediately at left guard. He should be available. Mack is the best center prospect to come out in the last five years and could start immediately. Jamon Merideth looked very impressive in his workouts also. We will go O-line and it will be one of these 7. I’m hoping it’s Mack or Britton.

by Dr Del on Feb 23, 2009 9:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great points bluegrass and cliff

Every player in a spread offense has to make a big adjustment to the NFL. Unger is interesting more because of his versatility than his strength at any one position. He’s obviously pretty smart and athletic and will get stronger. The combine results and post-season were positive for Texas Tech spread offense guard Luis Vasquez (6-5, 333). Here is a note about him from NFL Draft Scout: “EAST-WEST SHRINE STANDOUT: OG Louis Vasquez, Texas Tech: When you talk about line play in coach Mike Leach’s Texas Tech offense, people think of wide splits and pass protection. But Vasquez is not a finesse player by any stretch of the imagination. He proved to scouts that he can fire off the ball from a three-point stance (which he didn’t do much in Tech’s pass- and draw-happy offense) and dominate tackles in the power running game.” … At the combine he blew away everyone in strength testing (for what that is worth). He is also reputedly very slow and rated no better than a mid-round draft pick, but getting guys from different systems into the same evaluation facility is a useful aspect of the combine.

by steeler.lifer on Feb 23, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Vasquez

So, he might be a good pick for us in the 3rd or 4th round? If he’s so slow, do you think we’d pass on him because he’d have trouble pulling?

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Feb 24, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Late WR (3rd Round)

I would be THRILLED if we could pick up Juaquin Iglesias in the 2-4th round. He works his ass off and would be a great eventual replacement for Hines.

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by Jon Woods on Feb 24, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not only that

He could also entertain his teammates with his sweet singing voice,

by worldtrip on Feb 24, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha, i heard julio iglesias ran a 4.43 at the combine while signing “I’ve loved a million girls”

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Feb 24, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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I agree, i thought that was who it was at first.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Feb 24, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's singing

Rumblin stumblin…we could go all the way. backbackbackback Gone!

"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)

by PixburghArn on Feb 24, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This was a good combine for the Steelers. If we could trade down to ~20-25 and get Andre Smith or Oher, it would be a huge take for us. Andre Smith could be a very good RT or an All-Pro guard. Oher needs to work on his technique, but he has the athletic ability to be a LT in the NFL. Unger probably didn’t help his stock, but he’s a technique/athletic type zone blocker. If we’re going to keep A, Z, and their POS zone blocking scheme, we should at least draft some guys who can play in it. Mack is stronger but less athletic, and thus not as good a fit for our scheme.

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by BadMaafala on Feb 24, 2009 2:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I know we don't need him but...

any chance we take Rey Maualuga if he falls to us? I know he probably won’t even be there but he injured his hamstring and ran like a 4.87. That would make our scary defense way too scary, could you imagine Timmons and Maualuga, And qb’s would lose track of where Troy is on the field.

If we actually could get him i would immediately phone Detroit for their 33 pick and get Mack.

it never got weird enough for me

by JerseyFresh on Feb 24, 2009 3:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Maualuga translates into a dominant NFL player, except maybe as a rush LB. He’s an “instincts” guy and a “hard hitter”, but he’s not in the athletic class of the better ILB’s in the NFL and he proved it with lousy combine numbers. I think he’s actually a similar player to Woodley, only he has a lot less experience rushing the passer. If we were looking for a day one ILB starter, I’d consider Maualuga at 32, but with our current roster, I’ll pass.

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by BadMaafala on Feb 24, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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