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What Leigh Bodden says about the Steelers free agency moves

This was some recent press on Bodden:

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Broncos linebacker Andra Davis turned a few heads with remarks in the Boston Herald about new Patriots cornerback Leigh Bodden.

"He’s one of those Champ Bailey corners," Davis said of Bodden, his former Browns teammate. "I used to tell my agent he was one of the best corners in the league."

Bodden got his first serious notice when Bengals star Chad Johnson said Bodden was the best corner he faced. An anticipated breakthrough to big money stalled when Bodden had an injury-plagued 2007 with the Browns, then spent 2008 seeming lost after getting traded to the hapless Lions.

Bodden, 27, signed a one-year deal with the Patriots worth a reported $2.25 million.

"They really got a steal," Davis told the Herald. "He just has that swagger and that confidence to line up against anybody and shut them down.

"He’s going to do great in New England ... being around a better bunch of players, and on a team that’s supposed to win."

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Now, Bodden is from Duquesne and presumably would have been interested in playing for the most recent SB winners and top defense in the league while returning to his old college town.  Why was he not brought in?  The Patriots picked him up for a price that the Steelers could afford ($2.25M).  By most accounts and statistical measures, he would have been an upgrade over McFadden, not to mention Gay.

I know that the Steelers' lack of free agency activity is worn as a badge of honor, but that shouldn't be the case.  The lack of stupid free agent signings should be a badge of honor, but deals to get Bettis or Farrior should be replicated with the frequency with which the Patriots do it.  The Steelers are as attractive a team as the Pats, and Tomlin should leverage that asset the way Belichek does.  I could be wrong about Bodden (and, by implication, Gay), but I see this as a missed opportunity that could haunt the Steelers this season.  More importantly, it highlights free agency as a missing piece in Pittsburgh's team building that should be addressed so they can keep pace with the Pats.  As a Steelers fan, it pains me to say that New England appears to have the edge going into the season, and, with 6 draft picks in the top 100, they could widen their lead next month...

Don't get me wrong.  I am a die-hard Steelers fan and have been since the early 70's.  But a true fan sees his team clearly and doesn't let hope and loyalty mask observed weaknesses that IMO should be addressed.

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Based on your heading, I thought you were going to have a quote from Bodden about the Steelers free agency moves (or lack thereof).

by worldtrip on Mar 18, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree (see my Jason Brown post) with your general argument that the Steelers shouldn’t be afraid to go after free agents and almost seem to be shunning them this offseason.

I don’t think Bodden is a great CB, but at that price, he’s a low risk signing that could work out very well for them. He’s probably trying to revive his career this year, which makes New England more attractive considering that NE always seems to feature their CB’s and he’ll have a great chance of starting. We, on the other hand, are slow to insert new faces and don’t have much of a reputation for making our CB’s look good. I mean when was the last time we had a Pro Bowl CB? Woodson?

Another thing that may be coming into play is cash flow. I know Ben is making an awful lot over the next few years and he’s also due the second half of his signing bonus, I think. Considering what Dan Rooney had to do to keep the team, it wouldn’t surprise me if he was tight on bonus cash right now.

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by BadMaafala on Mar 18, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i thought it may have been some kinda smack talk but

then realized that wasn’t the post…anyways, when was the last time we took on a Browns reject? If Bodden was all that and cheap, we woulda looked at him i’m guessing. I think William Gay is gonna do just fine and maybe we pick up another corner in the draft.

by SteelersFnRule on Mar 18, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last Browns Rejects?

How about Arians & Zierlein?

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by 5020 on Mar 18, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

We only pick their rejects if they’re as awesome as those two.

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by BadMaafala on Mar 18, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget Paul Ernster

On second thought, do forget Paul Ernster.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Mar 19, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh

for that matter, orpheus roye was a decent depth pickup

by acrollet on Mar 20, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

wasn’t he originally a Steeler?

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 21, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's hold off on the unstinted Patriots praise

I agree that Bodden was a decent signing by the Patriots but let’s not pretend they have all the answers about player acquisition, whether it’s through free agency, trading or the draft. They make their share of mistakes in all areas (ie, $35 million over seven years for Stallworth; $35 million over five years for Adalius Thomas). They’re aggressive in the draft but they often have to sign expensive FAs to make up for the mistakes they make. They drafted 10 guys in 2006 and the only one who made a regular contribution last year was the kicker, Gostkowski. If their high second-rounder that year, WR Chad Jackson, hadn’t been a total bust they might not have had any interest the following off-season in Stallworth and Moss. If Stallworth hadn’t been a total waste of money they wouldn’t have had to settle for Gaffney last year or traded for Lewis this year. If last year’s second-round CB Terrence Wheatley had shown anything, they wouldn’t have had to sign Shawn Springs and Bodden this year. And Bodden would not have been an upgrade over McFadden for the Steelers. A good acquisition yes; a guaranteed starter, no. This has been a quieter than normal FA season even by Steelers’ standards but it’s not over yet and as mentioned by BMF, it looks like available money is limited or targeted for bigger fish such as James Harrison.

In general I wish the Steelers were a little more aggressive at the draft, but the overall conservative approach to player acquisition works just as well for us as being aggressive works for the Pats, and is probably more conducive to long-term success.

by steeler.lifer on Mar 18, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Right on. Everyone has overlooked the fact that the Pats have been drafting VERY poorly over the few years, which is part of the reason they’re making all these crazy deals. Adalius Thomas was a solid signing, but he would have been a lot cheaper if he was a homegrown talent instead of the top FA for the highest bidder. All these deals will catch up to them and already have to some extent – outside of their front 3, their defense is a complete joke. We’ll see if their offense recovers the 2007 magic with Brady back, but teams are adjusting to them, and they’re not going undefeated this year.

They’ll be pre-season favorites, of course, but I’d like to see them in a crappy weather playoff game against us – home or away.

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by BadMaafala on Mar 18, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction on the Stallworth deal

In my zeal to rip the Patriots (I admit it!!!) I mistakenly had them signing Stallworth for $35 million for 7 years. In fact that was what he got last year from the Browns (a fine move indeed by Phil Savage). The Patriots in 07 signed Stallworth to a six-year deal for $33.1 million but structured it in such a way that they had to play only (!!!) $3.6 million for the one year he was there. For a team with Welker (a great move there, hoodwinking the Dolphins) and Moss from the Raiders (the Patriots should have been charged with abusing a senile senior citizen in that deal), paying $3.6 million for a one-year rental of a third receiver was a big price to pay (and ultimately not worth it) for a bad draft pick the previous year.

Another impact of all this wheeling and dealing is in the locker room. This revolving door of egos and high-priced veterans set in their ways has an impact on team chemistry. The Patriots have some leaders, but they are getting old (or gone, in the case of Bruschi and Vrabel) and what’s left is a shaky structure of overpaid veterans and under-performing draftees. This off-season looks like duct tape on a rotting plumbing system.

by steeler.lifer on Mar 18, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish the Steelers used more weapons

The Patriots use rooks, bishops and knights to attack the rest of the league. They sign free agents, they make trades, They move up, they move down, they get creative in slapping a franchise tag, then trading for a pick then trading that pick etc. etc. They play the game with all the pieces. Not every move works on the positive side of course, but you don’t need to be 100 percent.

The Steelers play with just a queen (the draft) and a free agent pawn now and again. That drives me crazy. But I can’t say that too loudly because success speaks for itself. How can you argue with the most stable and consistently successful franchise in the game? Still, wouldn’t it wiser to use all the pieces?

Frankly, the Steelers are too conservative for me. I’m a player. I want to use all the weapons available. I want to be shrewd and cagey. That is not to mean that I throw money around on the crap table. I am by no means reckless. But I believe in using all the tools in the toolbox, even if very careful. If you’re good with just a queen, you can be great with an added rook and bishop.

In this particular year, as Bad pointed out, the Steelers are up against the cap. (though the $15 million two-year Max Starks fiasco could have been done much wiser). They want to use whatever room left to sign Deebo and we really can’t argue that. The Steelers spend all the money available to them so really, I should just shut up and love my queen.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Mar 18, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Starting To Use The Other Pieces

Agree with your premise but the Steelers do appear to be starting to use more pieces. The transition tag with Starks last year. They franchise tag twith him his year. These are things that the Steelers NEVER did in the past.
Some are saying next year there might be several tags available. I think the Steelers may franchise several (83 & 92) if that is the rule. That said, wish they were more aggressive pursuing FA like Bodden etc.

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by 5020 on Mar 18, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by betelgeuse on Mar 18, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Draft

If the Steelers have an absolutely stellar draft I’ll forgive all these little nicpicky things. Anything short of stellar, and I’ll be wondering “what if” for a long time.

by sylvansteeler on Mar 18, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Would we really want this guy?

First of all, I dont understand why everyone is hating on our team. This happens every freakin offseason.

WE WON THE SUPERBOWL

Ok now onto Mr. Bodden.

Firstly, his early years were not much to write home about. Special teams rookie year, missed 5 games the next year. Missed 3 and 7 the years after that.

Now, his last two years, he HAS completed all his games. But only one pick in Detroit doesnt say much. One INT? When your defense is constantly on the field in Detroit you’d like to think you could snag a few more.

Honestly his stats are not super impressive, and he played for Detroit and Cleveland which might as well be College teams. Plus, lets not forget his difficulty with the law in cleveland, failing to pullover and being a general ass to the po-lice.

I dont miss him at all

by Mechem on Mar 18, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All we’re saying is we could be a little more active in free agency. There are very mixed opinions about how good Bodden is, but I doubt I’d find too many people who don’t think he’s a starting caliber CB with experience, and I also doubt there are many who don’t think Bodden was a good signing for the Pats. The Cards just spent $10M for 2 years of McFadden who has yet to prove he’s a starting caliber CB. For $2.5M, how could you go wrong? If he sucks, we’d still be paying him a lot less than we’ll be paying Kemo, who we know sucks, or Kendall Simmons, who’s not even on the team.

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by BadMaafala on Mar 18, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bodden may well be a good player but you're missing the point...

..why would the FO want him for $2.5m when we already have someone on the roster they consider ready to be a started for a lot less than $2.5m in Willie Gay ?

They view Gay as a starter simple as that .. so we need to play him while we have him on his rookie deal and continue to develop him we don’t need a vet CB as a starter and we don’t need to bring a vet CB in for $2.5m to be the 4th CB on the roster behind Ike, Gay & Townsend ..

Bodden can play, no doubt, but he doesn’t fit into our current roster at all so there is no need to blow $2.5m …

by Rash92 on Mar 19, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So we shouldn’t try to have 3 starting caliber CB’s on the roster if it doesn’t cost us much? That’s crazy. We’re one injury away from having Townsend starting at age 34 and Fernando Bryant as our nickel back.

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by BadMaafala on Mar 19, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure it’s fair to say “everyone hating on our team.” I can’t imagine anyone loving the Steelers more than I, or others who offer objective critique. As fans, It is perfectly acceptable to have offseason discussions and hope that the team makes improvements. That’s what fans do. We can say “we won the Super Bowl” and end all dialogue and meet up again after the draft, but what is wrong with having objective discussion about the team? Whether Bodden in particular or anything else in general, let’s talk. That’s what I’m here for.

Thoughtful discussion with a sense of history

by maryrose on Mar 18, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I exaggerate but

My comment is basically that everyone, every year, no matter what the outcome, whines and moans about our rather quiet free agency period. And that drives me crazy. It works.

Sure I would sometimes like to go “oooo neat we got this guy” or something like that, but I think the team handles it just fine.

I am all for discussion but I hate the way this post basically dogs the FO for not signing Bodden.

by Mechem on Mar 21, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another problem with Bodden

Well, I would disagree that McFadden hasn’t proven himself as a starting calibre CB. He hasn’t proven he can stay healthy, but he was the starting CB for the best defense (and the best pass defense) in the league and was playing at a very high level before he got hurt. Money isn’t everything but the marketplace just determined that McFadden is twice as valuable as Bodden, and injuries might have been just as much a factor in McFadden’s discounted deal with Arizona as the timing of Bodden’s release from the Lions was in lowering market interest in him. The reality is they are pretty close but I’d rather have McFadden.

But that’s another problem with signing a relatively young guy to a one-year contract. The Pats signed Bodden to a bargain basement deal. He’s a solid CB. So who exactly is he playing for in 09, the Patriots or himself? Is he going to be a happy camper as the nickel or dime back, with every successful play by Springs or Ellis Hobbs or even one of last year’s rookie cornerbacks lowering his potential value as a starting calibre free agent in 2010? Yes he is going to like playing for a winning team as opposed to the Lions or Browns, let’s see how long he stays happy if things aren’t working out for his own self-interests. He might be much happier starting for a Patriots team that struggles, rather than playing nickel back for a Patriots team that is winning. I don’t mind signing older veterans who are at the end of their careers and can still contribute, but bringing in a new, relatively young guy on a one-year deal who is motivated mostly to get his share of the sugar a year from now can create problems. I don’t think it’s going out on a limb to suggest the Steelers’ unified locker room was a key element of them getting to and winning the Super Bowl. Perhaps the revolving door of free agents in New England has been a contributing factor to them not winning a Super Bowl since 2004.

by steeler.lifer on Mar 18, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Forget Bodden

Not signing him is no loss. Bodden is a guy that could not get it done with the Browns or the 0-16 Lions. He was a non factor on two defensive backfields that a lot of QBs torched.
The Steelers want players that play hard no matter the score or their record. If Bodden took plays off because his team was playing poorly the FO did the right thing.

by SuperSix on Mar 19, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bodden is just a guy.

I’m confident in William Gay, Deshea Townsend, and a 3-4 rounder. Let Madsen or some other practice squad guy fight it out with a pick and Bryant.

Keep the 2.5 mil and resign Deebo, Heath, or save up for when Holmes’ contract needs redone.

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at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Mar 19, 2009 8:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Browns CB?

It’s not like the Steelers never saw the guy.

Shutdown corner? Really?

I’m guessing the Steeler FO called Hines in and asked him: “Hey what do you think of Bodden?”

Hines said: “Who?”

And the FO said: “Yeah, that’s what we thought, too… We’ll go with the Gay guy — er William Gay — instead…”

by MarkJoel66 on Mar 19, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm late

It’s easy to be too clever. Two years ago, the Patriots looked awesome on paper and their record was perfect but how was their chemistry? When the fates turned against them, they didn’t have the grittiness to get the big win. Sure, they just destroyed the Redskins that year (by way of example) when everything was functioning smoothly, but when they had an uphill battle, they seemed to lack something. Is it possible that too much wheelin’ hurt their cohesiveness? It’s important to note that it’s been five years since their last title, in which time the Steelers have won two with that queen and those pawns.

Who knew?

by Concomitandt on Mar 21, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Word

And the Patriots basically wouldnt have won jack if Bledsoe doesnt get hurt or Belicheat doesnt video tape stuff. So there ya go.

Personally I wouldnt follow just about any model of their business. Tom Brady was supposed to be their “Brian St. Pierre,” a guy that would just sit there behind a proven QB. They luckily found a guy who had game.

Its not like they’ve made so many epic deals to win games. Their defense has always been middle of the road to above average, their offensive crew has usually lacked a real RB and WR’s.

So I dont see why everyone holds them to such a high standard.

by Mechem on Mar 21, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

When they won those SBs, it seemed like they were just letting high priced FAs go and re-loading through the draft. Lawyer Milloy, Ty Law, etc. seemed to be stars but they weren’t willing to pay them.

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 21, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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