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Steel100's Mock Draft as of 03/18/2009

Hello BTSC land!  Steel100 here recovering from an epic hangover that is st. pattys day, even though I dont have a lick of irish in my blood!  All I have to say is, "guiness' new nickname to me and my buddies is, "christmas in a glass".  Anyways, back to what I feel like I do best, and that is taking out of my rump, about the steelers.  I look at a lot of mock drafts and try not to place too much emphasis into this becuase the mocks change weekly, sometimes daily. like an athletes stock market. one bad interview could ruin your stock, or a good  40 puts you into the top 15-10.  Its all subjective until the real thing. So, without further being said, here is my Steelers Draft, which includes our extra 7th round draft pick for trading Sean Mahan to the Bucs.

1. Duke Robinson- LG Oklahoma 6'5'' 329 lbs

I have pimped this young man numerous times, on numerous other boards as my number one, and why not pull the trigger on this guy?  We need to draft for depth, and our interior line is very thin with us releasing kendall simmons.  i can give reasons why we should draft robinson, but ill go another route why we shouldnt draft consensus pick alex mack.  1.  he even says he is on the ground too much, and with ben's style of holding onto the ball too long, his weakness will be a glaring liability for us.  AQ Shipley aka Mr cabbage patch kid.  With our recent history of drafting big lineman, he is a bit undersized and has the same weakness of sean mahan, not having the ability to sustain blocks in long pass plays, and even though there are other centers in the draft that are good, they are not worth our 32nd IMO.  Duke robinson is a safe pick in the fact that when he was combined with the lt in Phil Loadholt, they combined to be the most dominant weakside in college football. and phil measures about an inch taller than max starks.  we need an interior lineman to create some weakside push for FWP and Mendy, as well and create something we have not used in a long time for ben, playaction protection.  He provides a safe pick that we can build a solid line upon. Especially if we get Tony hills up to speed in the next year or two, we can move starks back over to the right side and dominate.

2. Brandon Underwood CB 6'1'' 198 lbs Cincinatti

I have placed a lot of emphasis into this pick, becuase in all honesty we should go after a defensive end, but, we have to think that based upon the needs of the Offensive Depth and Defenseive Secondary Depth, we need to address this in the second round. This year is a good year for cornerbacks, and i feel that  DJ Moore and Vontae Davis will be long gone by 64. so, we are only drafting a CB to provide young depth. We can worry about producing a starter within the next 2 years.  This guy is what you would call a tweener, becuase he came as a xfer from Ohio State as a Free safety, but has the quickness and closing speed to play the CB position effectively to be an all big east selection. Has great speed to blitz off the side, something Lebeau will love, and will be utilized to rotation at nickel and dime back.  for some strange reason, i feel like they want william gay to be that next guy to step up and be a starter. He showed flashes of greatness this past year, and if the situation occurs where he is not good enough to start, we will have this guy and deshea townsend to play rotation. 

3. Jason Watkins (OT) FLORIDA
This seems to be a good fit to give us something we have lacked at the OL area for along time-depth. plain and simple. the reason why i feel he is going to slide is because there are about 7 teams that need only one tackle the whole draft. the OT craze was last year. this years its all about linebackers and tailbacks. This guy is tall and light (6'6''/304), and knows how to move with mobile quarterbacks in Tim Tebow. he will learn how to play that RT spot becuase if you have noticed, ben in his dropbacks fades just slightly to his right. so its important that we start this guy to getting better early.

4.Paul Kruger DE UTAH 6'4'' 263

this guy is a physical specimen at his size and age 23, who can come in and use his athletic ability to create some disruption in the passing game for most teams becuase he has an awesome bull rush.  he might be the guy to replace aaron smith, if, we play him right, and, he learns to diversify his breaking away from blocks, which is the common denominator in most reports im reading on this guy.  he will be a breath of fresh air into the geriatric ward known as the defensive line, and will be a good dose of run support to take some pressure off of the lb corps to make all the plays.  I feel that for a 3-4 de, penetration is key,and he gives us that.

5.Frantz Joseph, MILB,  Florida Atlantic

Ive pimped this guy heavy as well, so you know his stats. sized up at about 6'1'' and 242 lbs, he is an inch shorter than james farrior, same weight, 19 reps on the bench and also posted times of 4.37 in the short shuttle and 7.34 in the three-cone drill, but his 40 was around 4.8.  he has the size and ability to play in our defense, and this will give depth to a position who I think will dimish within the next 3 years. Like i said, we might not have harrison in 2010, so that leaves us with no quality depth in the ilb department with timmons moving back out to olb.  I know we signed Frazier and the other harrison, but I dont think that Tomlin with his virginia pipeline to those type of players will let this guy slide out of reach.

6.Edwin Williams C,  Maryland 6'2'' 308

seems to have the size and weight to compete with the shaun rogers and haloti ngatas of the division, and still has the quickness to be a factor in the passing game, with a good ability to reach the next level, which is key, where 2/3rd of the division plays a 3-4 defense.  Shows to have a higher preference for snapping out of the shotgun, and what really wows me is his leadership abilities. Pittsburgh has a knack for finding centers with a great work ethic and absolute leader abilities, and hes shown that he has the character and the leadership to be that guy.  the only thing i worry about is his height and strength.  there may be a tendency to bet bowled over by a good bull rusher, so i hope our olineman coach will get him accustomed to adjusting to using his frontline speed, and not being a phonebooth blocker (quick in the box for anybody wondering what that means)

7.DeAndre Wright, CB 5'11'' 198 LBS

Again Deandre will be a pick to provide depth at a nickel or dimeback slot, being that he has the speed and the cod skills to be a good middle of field coverage guy. can cover wideouts on a lot of spead offense crossing routes. only problem with this guy is durability. had afterseason surguries on shoulders.  This one can be interchangeable with other picks as well.

7.(PICK FROM BUCS)-Spencer Adkins -Miami ILB

This is our project pick. along with Joseph, I have pimped this guy heavily.  First off, he is not coming to Pittsburgh to be a linebacker. He is too small to be an effective lb at 5'11'' and 230 lbs. I have seen his player build, and he is built like a leaner james harrison, but he has 4.48 speed.  Im thinking like i said in earlier blogs that his guy should drop his weight of 230 lbs and try to move back to be a safety and learn behind troy p, or, drop to 200 lbs and compete with ryan clark for a fs spot.  he has the speed and power to be an effective strong safety, but his only downside is will he have trouble keeping weight low and adjusting to not biting on playactions, aka, roy williams syndrome.

 

well, this is my mock. hopefully it changes, no, i wont hope, i know it will change lol.

Happy reading!

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Hey for everyone that reads this I saw Jason Watkins and tried to put him in my mock draft, but I couldn’t. He was the original guy I had in my 3rd round. I replaced him with a guy who won’t get past mid 2nd round. I watch Florida, but never really knew much about Watkins until I saw the list of o-lineman in the draft. I didn’t have enought to say about him so I dropped him.

J Mike

by air holmes on Mar 18, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah i really didnt have a lot to go on with him besides positional rankings. but, he has to be somewhat good due to procecting tebow. with his reckless running style that reminds me of big ben he seems to be a safe RT pick.

"The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will."
--Vince Lombardi

by Steel100 on Mar 18, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watkins

I don’t like him that early, or actually at all. I’m not sure if I even included him in my OL value chart. The thing that concerns me with drafting him is that he’s a finesse tackle with poor technique, but unlike many other prospects in the draft, he doesn’t have that “holy shit” athleticism that makes him worth the risk. Looking over his combine numbers, he’s below where you’d like him in just about every area, especially for a converted TE: 18 BP, 5.52-40, 3.12-20, 1.81-10, 24.5 vert, 7-6 broad.

There are many (including myself) who think Phil Loadholt will struggle with speed, even playing right tackle, but he outperformed Watkins in all the most important OL agility tests (10 yard split, vertical, broad jump). Do we really want a finesse tackle with poor technique and athleticism that is dwarfed by Phil Loadholt’s? If you ask me, he sounds like Tony Hills – and that’s not a compliment in my book.

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by BadMaafala on Mar 19, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with most of your picks. You have the right positions, but not the right guys. Robinson will be taken already. Loadholt is a great prospect, but he might be gone too. I’d love to take Phil, but I think Mack is the safer choice. We need a commander on that line. Also, what’s wrong with Alphonso Smith at #64? He is better than Underwood. I hope he’s there.

J Mike

by air holmes on Mar 18, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree that they might not be the right guys, but with the salary cap situation we might only have the ability to sign one big name come draft day. i can honestly see us trading up for duke, but for us to get a alphonso smith or dj moore with second round where there are other teams who are needing cb help more than us right now, its hard to give him that kind of low 2nd round grade. he is better than a 64 pick. I like alex mack right now, but, i can deal with hartwig for 2 more years. i cant deal with stapleton as a starter.

"The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will."
--Vince Lombardi

by Steel100 on Mar 18, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw a mock

On Yahoo that has us getting Mack in the first and Robinson in the 2nd, so I dont know if he will be gone. Granted it is one pick, but that would be the best first two rounds we could get in my mind

by gimpsta7 on Mar 18, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but im thinking that its all subjective, and we have to think what these lineman are going to command as financial hits in 2009. both lineman are 1st round grade talent, so if we get both of them, can we afford to keep both of them?

"The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will."
--Vince Lombardi

by Steel100 on Mar 18, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don’t get first round money if they get picked at the end of the 2nd round. They get late 2nd money.

by phxsteeler on Mar 19, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree with Robinson being gone by 32.

There’s no way anyone is taking him before us… that’d be MEGA reach. If the FO really wants him they’re probably better off trading down to a mid second round pick since he’ll still probably be there.

by tdp992 on Mar 18, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just argued for Alphonso Smith for #32 in another fanpost!!!

You have zero credability Air Holmes. Which is it? #32 or #64.

We are all dumber for having heard you speak, I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

I have enjoyed you bringing to my attention little known (to me) talent, though it is basically a copy and paste from another website, but have enjoyed it nonetheless, but I can’t read anything you write anymore without checking to see how you have slid someone way up in value or way down in value.

—-Stops caring

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Mar 20, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t make a mock draft everyday.

J Mike

by air holmes on Mar 18, 2009 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dude

Who are you to tell anyone what to do. You’re lucky you’re not banned. I wouldnt be making any requests or threats to anybody if I were you. That’s twice you’ve acted like a jerk to someone. Once more, bye.

by Blitzburgh on Mar 19, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad, you made a FREE AGENCY board. Sorry

J Mike

by air holmes on Mar 18, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and yea

You didnt even get the jist of his post, which was free agency, not the draft. We’ve had ZERO of these posts actually.

by Blitzburgh on Mar 19, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, his free agency post was fresh, interesting, and well thought out. And I don’t think he just ripped it all off Mocking the Draft, either.

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by BadMaafala on Mar 19, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Air Holmes' stuff isn't original?

"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)

by PixburghArn on Mar 19, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don’t be jealous that he’s been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that he’s training to be a cage fighter.

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Mar 19, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

LaFawnda maybe? Get in there and make yourself a dang quesadilla.

"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)

by PixburghArn on Mar 20, 2009 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

shut up kip, GOSH

I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

by drinkyourmilkshake on Mar 20, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I'm going to take my bike

off some sweet jumps

"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)

by PixburghArn on Mar 24, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now I have that Damn Brad Paisely song stuck in my head

Thanks.

Smacks forehead vigorously

Nope, still there

“Even on a slow day, I can have a threeway (chat) with two women at the same time”

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Mar 20, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully you type with both hands

j/k

"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)

by PixburghArn on Mar 24, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not bad...

I agree with you positionally for the most part, but I think a couple of these are a little off. Rounds one through three not bad, I may lean towards Trautwein (?) at tackle in the third round. Also from Florida, about the same size.

Paul Kruger… as a replacement for Aaron Smith? You know Kruger is Woodley’s size right? A Smith is 6’7" 300 lbs. There is no way I’d take a DE who’s alot smaller and put him in our defense at the same position. If he can transition to OLB, maybe. Not to dwell on it, but for a 3-4 end penetration is for the most part an after thought. A 3-4 end has to eat up blockers, and allow his OLB’s to get in on the QB.

Other than that, I’d take AQ Shipley at C, just preferencial really, has all of the attributes you used to describe Williams, like I said just preference.

I know you like this LB/ S Spencer Adkins, and I like him too, good player. But under no circumstances would I want to take a LB and make him a safety on this team. With Troy in the box and all over, you have to cover a lot of ground as the other safety, there is no way we can take a LB, regardless of speed, and trust him to cover like that. Would you take Roy Williams (the former Dallas safety) and play him opposite Troy? No way. And you expect another guy, who’s never played with that much field responsibilty and trust him to manage it. He would certainly be a “project player”, but how much of a project do you really want? A complete over haul of his game. No thanks.

But great arguement for each player. At this point it’s speculation and personal preferences that build mock drafts, we’ll have to wait and see.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 19, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Glad someone said Krueger was too small

However Kiesel was 270 and worked his way up to 295. What kind of frame and back does this guy have to add weight? That is crucial in talking about 260-275 DE’s. At any rate they would take 3 years to gradually work into the size we want, and it’s hard to keep weight when you’re running down the field with your head on fire on special teams.

"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"

at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.

by PA ARMY OFFICER on Mar 20, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point as far as frame goes. As you implied (I believe) we don’t have three years to wait on a DE to develop, one or two at the most. If somehow Fili Moala falls to us in round two, which I doubt he will, he’s exactly what we’re looking for. Great size, ubelievably athletic, and strong enough to absorb two blockers, and when he’s manned up on one guy he can beat him and accelerate to the QB. In my opinion he is the best 3-4 end in the draft.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 20, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would support picking Moala in the second full heartedly if he’s available.

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by BadMaafala on Mar 20, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This may sound crazy...

But he’s my sleeper for our first round pick. All depending, of course, who’s available. But if there isn’t a corner they really like or an o-linemen they think highly of, he may be our pick.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 20, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting. I can’t help but think that’d be a bit of a reach for a position we don’t really need to reach at. Still, if they like him as much as you do, they could do what it takes to grab him. Also, if we trade down into the early or mid second, he’d certainly be a guy to look at, along with any of the top 3 centers who were left.

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by BadMaafala on Mar 20, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In My Opinion...

He’s worth it. I bolded a couple of things I found interesting, and informative. I disagree with the lack of speed to get to the QB. I believe he has enough speed to get the job done.

NFL.com’s combine breakdown: 6’4"; 305 lbs. (The right size for a 3-4 DE)
Successfully capped his career with the Trojans by earning AP All-American third-team honors. Moala offers rare size, strength and surprising effort downfield. Originally signed with USC out of high school in 2003, but Moala did not qualify academically and instead attended Cypress Junior College before transferring back to USC in 2004. Was since a consistent member of the Trojans’ defensive line rotation, starting every game for the Trojans over the past two seasons and 38 games overall. A more valuable contributor than his yearly average production (26 tackles, 7.5 tackles for loss and 3.0 sacks) would indicate, Moala isn’t going to fill the stat sheet, but his presence inside forced opponents to double-team him often, opening up opportunities for his playmaking teammates.
Analysis
Positives: Rare size for the position with the frame to add mass. … Measures in at nearly 300 pounds, but considering his height, Moala almost has a lanky build. … Good initial quickness off the snap. … Powerful hands to slap away the offensive linemen trying to control him. … Quick to recognize the play and work his way toward the action. … Good size and strength to collapse the interior running lanes. … High-effort player who will pursue laterally and down the field. … Durable performer who has seen starting action every year of his career. … Good bloodlines. Cousin Haloti Ngata was a first-round pick and is a standout defensive lineman with the Baltimore Ravens.

Negatives: Essentially a one-trick pony, as Moala is simply too slow of foot to create much of a pass rush. … Reasonable short-area quickness, but lacks closing speed and is too stiff to break down and make tackles in space. … Lacks a variety of pass-rush moves and relies on his initial quickness off the snap and a simple bull-rush to pressure the passer. … Signed with USC out of high school, but failed to qualify academically and spent a year at Cypress Junior College (Calif.), though he didn’t play football there. … Redshirted at USC in 2004 and will be 24 years old by the time he suits up for an NFL team.

I wouldn’t post the positives without the negatives, unlike our media, I believe in fair and balanced reporting.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 20, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Question

The main question is would he be there at 64? If not, he may be the way to go. A lot of his description sounds like Hampton (or maybe a young Hampton).

by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 20, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At 64...

He may be gone. He’s in every “draft expert’s” top 5 at DT. That’s why I see him as a round one sleeper. The few truly top tier DT’s wll be gone by 32nd overall, and with a lot of teams switching to the 3-4, big guys with the ability to play end will be at a premium. We’ve kept our depth at almost every position. We brought back LB’s, OLinemen, CB’s and we’re pretty good everywhere else. We have two positions we NEED to add players at, WR and DLine. I really don’t see a WR that we would take there, especially with Limas drafted as high as he was. We could use an OLinemen (odviously) but I just don’t see us bringing one in, in round one at least. I think that will be our round two pick. Especially with the youth of our OLine, across the board, with the exception of Hartwig, who’s not that old. Defensive line depth, in my opinion, is our biggest necessity. Moala can play end in a spell situation, and second DT in the nickel/ dime formations (sorry Hoke).

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 20, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He defintely fits the profile of a 3-4 DE (not NT, though) and I think he’ll be a pretty productive player. I’m just not sure he’ll have enough of an impact to warrant picking him in the first.

And yes, he’s Ngata’s cousin, but that doesn’t make him the athlete and beast Ngata is. Ngata put up very similar agility numbers at the combine weighing almost 30 pounds more, and putting up 37 BP instead of 25. As we’ve discussed elsewhere, BP’s aren’t a good measure of functional strength, but 12 extra BP’s means something.

As I said in my DL post, I really like Evander Hood in the first. He or Tyson Jackson may not make it to our pick, in which case I’d trade down or pick another position. I don’t think Fili is enough of a potential game changer to be worth a first, and I don’t think our DL situation is desperate enough to warrant a big reach this year. Even if we want to make the case that it’s our biggest need, there’s plenty of 3-4 DL depth in this year’s draft, so we can be patient.

While we have to be conscious of our needs going into the draft, getting a second round talent in the first isn’t going to help our team. There’s nothing wrong with drafting a CB, FS, WR, LB, or (ahem) OL with our first pick if there’s a good value there. By not reaching on an OL or DL last year, we have a lot better situation at RB and WR this year. No, neither Mendy nor Sweed is a sure thing, but we’d be pretty desperate at both those positions if we had picked up Duane Brown and Kendall Langford with those picks. Brown, in particular, would have left our OL with just as much uncertainty.

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by BadMaafala on Mar 20, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Long answer below...

It’s pretty long I know, but I think my reasoning is fairly sound. Please read it despite of the length.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 21, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with alot of that...

I don’t believe he’s a nose tackle, and the Hampton comparison is (sorry man) not the case. They don’t nearly play the same style, and are certainly not even remotely similar body types. I didn’t know he was Ngata’s cousin until a about a month ago. I take nothing from that other than good blood lines… maybe. No he’s not as strong, but he is every bit as athletic. He showed amazing range, especially for a 300 pounder. In their bowl game he was in on a tackle 30 yards downfield. Not many DT’s making plays that far from the line. Bench presses don’t prove much at all, but if that’s the measuring stick I have to use, that’s what I’ve got. I like Hood alot, saw him play a bunch, but he isn’t a game changer either. Evander Hood is second round talent also, his stock has suddenly gone up for good reason, but isn’t taking him in that spot reaching also?

In my opinion the place we need most is an O Linemen. But it appears that we will be going into next year returning the five we had. We could upgrade along the front in this draft no doubt. But I don’t see anyone out there who can step in right away.

Mack ©- I think he’ll be gone at 32. The next best players at that position are Max Unger and Eric Wood. Unger is solid, but he has a better chance at being there at 64 than Moala. Unger doesn’t look like a starter right away, and the rotation on the O Line is still better than the defensive line. We brought back Essex to be the sixth man. Wood will most likely be there at 64, seems to be 3rd rounder from what I’ve read.

Guard- I like Duke Robinson, but very few mocks have him going round one, most show a mid to late second round grade, maybe sooner (get it Sooner, bad joke). He’s got alot of question marks around him, and I don’t think he’s worth the pick here. After him you have Herman Johnson, Andy Levitre, and Jamon Meredith (thought he was a tackle, but I’m seeing him listed at guard now, I don’t know). Do any of those names scream first round?

Tackle- God knows I want Willie Colon off this line, but are we going to take the fifth best tackle? After that many go early there is normally a lull at the position as most teams that needed one got one early, which should allow us to come back at 64 should we feel the need.

FS- Ryan Clark earned my respect last year. I really wasn’t a fan of his at all, but he proved to be a gamer, and when his contract comes up will be more affordable than most. I do think the best position to go after here is safety, as the draft is good at that position, and all the best are currently flying under the radar. That kid from Mizzou is very nice. We could actually find a great player here. I didn’t think about that.

WR- I just don’t see that guy in the group we’ll be choosing from. I see alot of really good players but the group we’ll have to choose from here will be the group we have to chose from at 64 for the most part. cough Jarrett Dillard cough. Plus we drafted fairly high at this position last year, and for a guy some said was the best in the draft (just catch the damn ball kid).

LB- The only one we take first round is Lauranaitis. Maualuga will most likely be gone. I think we’d be best served waiting on a LB here too. Maybe a Jasper Brinkley from South Carolina in the third or at 64, depending on how we grade him.

CB- There will be guys available for us to choose from in this group, and most likely some decent corners. Malcolm Jenkins is the best, I think, but he’s projected ahead of us. Same for Vontae Davis (who I’m not in favor of anyway), DJ Moore and Alphonso Smith will probably still be there, we could take one of them, I really like Alphonso Smith if we do. But we still have Deshea for another year or two, Gay looks promising, the coaches like Roy Lewis, and we brought back a servicable veteren in Fernando, need be to play nickel or dime.

I doubt we’ll be drafting a QB, HB, FB, or TE as we are pretty have guys at these spots.

So that leaves me with the one position where we haven’t taken anyone in the top half of the draft in a long time. Not that that means anything really, A. Smith 4th round, B. Kiesel 7th. We are getting old along the front. The only guys we’ve brought in to this group the past few years are Orpheus Roye, Travis Kirtchke and Nick Eason. Eason is the youngest of all and isn’t at starter level. As I said before, with as many teams switching to the 3-4 as there are, DE’s that fit the scheme will go quick. This will most likely be the only shot we have at bringing in viable youth at this spot. It is a position of need. Maybe not immediate need, but when’s the last time we drafted for right now anyway? We seem to always take guys who we feel we need in the next couple of seasons. We didn’t return any players who’s contract were up on the D Line, as opposed to us bringing back depth everywhere else.

Our team philosophy is draft centered. We bring in very few free agent, this year none so far. We are always focused on being our best today, but keeping an eye on the future. If we follow pattern, the position we will look to draft is one we will need not right away, but in the near future.
Our O-Line is young and developing (or so I hear), at HB we brought in the future last year, I think we’re okay at QB, WR is a good combo of past (Ward, still the present too, don’t get me wrong) present (Holmes) and future (Limas, don’t froget Dallas Baker too). We’re also pretty good at TE.
AT LB we have a great group, at corner we have question marks no doubt, but it appears that we may have some answers already in uniform, and at safety we’re set for now, with Mundy being a possible future starter aswell.

There is only one position we are ONLY built for now at… Defensive Line.

VERY long-winded, I’m sorry, but I felt a need to elaborate my position fully.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 21, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I understand what you’re saying, and you’re certainly entitled to your opinion. If the Steelers took Moala in the first, I’d trust that they saw enough in him to warrant the pick. Still, I’m not sure if I’m communicating my main point, which is: the best way to accumulate talent is to draft the best player available, especially early in the draft. There are some exceptions. I agree that we should not draft a QB, RB, TE, or FB in the first round. If we were looking for a day one rookie starter, that could force our hand. But drafting based on need is very dangerous. The needs we think we have now may be different from the ones we have in 6 months: Gay could regress or get injured. Mundy, who didn’t even make it onto the roster last year, could just be a practice squader. James Harrison could leave for more money. Holmes might never become a #1, and Ward could drop off quicker than we thought. Troy or Clark could get injured and leave Carter starting. Maybe Hampton and Smith will keep playing well until they’re 38. There are just too many variables to accurately predict what our needs will be this year, so the best policy is to draft the best players, as long as you can see them fitting into your plans somewhere.

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by BadMaafala on Mar 21, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see...

I’m not looking to come off like an ass. I do see what you’re saying though.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 21, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt we’ll be drafting a QB, HB, FB, or TE *as we are pretty have guys at these spots.

*as we are pretty well set with the guys we have at these spots.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 21, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember...

Mendenhall, Timmons, Santonio and even Troy P. had rookie seasons in which they had little impact. We don’t draft for impact players in the first round. That’s what the top ten picks are for. Those teams need instant help. You rarely find immediate impact that late in the first, especially 32nd overall, as teams picking late are fairly good across the board, thus needing less playmakers right away. We draft for future talent, hopefully great talent when ready to play, and early depth.

by NYSteelersFan4 on Mar 21, 2009 12:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good discussion

That was a nice explanation of the roster situation nysteeler and I certainly wouldn’t mind if the Steelers went DL in the first round, I just have my doubts Moala will be the BPA for 1.32 even at DE let alone OL, CB and a couple of other relevant positions. Tyson Jackson is probably out of reach and I’m not convinced he is that much better than the other three guys anyway. Hood and Gilbert look like better athletes than Moala but the difference between all three is perhaps not great. All have the basic frames to be successful as Steeler 3-4 DEs and the biggest advantage for Moala is his natural strength at the point of attack. One guy you didn’t mention in the DL draft discussion is NT candidate Ron Brace who might go pretty high because of the number of new 3-4 teams needing NTs. Hampton will be 33 and a free agent next year. Backup Hoke turns 33 in a few weeks. One overlooked aspect to your current DL evaluation is that the Steelers already have their backups (Kirschke, Eason and Hoke) all signed through 2010 so there isn’t the same dire necessity that resulted in them bringing back Essex, for example.

Another position I would not eliminate from the discussion for 1.32 is OLB. There are a number of those OLB/DE tweener types rated as late first-round, second-round value including Larry English. I know we have Bruce Davis around but he is not the quality of athlete we have had at ROLB for the past 20 years (Lloyd, Emmons, Porter, Harrison). Davis putting on 20 pounds in the last year is not going to make him any quicker. Nor have we yet re-signed Keyaron Fox. If the front office feels that Harrison contract talks are headed in the wrong direction, then it makes sense to draft another elite athlete to groom as his replacement. If English is available at 1.32, he is most definitely in the picture as BPA. So could WR Hakeem Nicks if he falls that far and perhaps even TE Brandon Pettigrew. Heath Miller’s next contract is coming up and Spaeth hasn’t done much to suggest he can step in as either a receiver or blocker.

I agree that the Steelers might let the draft come to them at 1.32 and perhaps be more aggressive moving up in rounds 2-4 to shape the draft around whatever position is picked at 1.32. The more you look at this draft, the more unpredictable it becomes for the Steelers’ first-rounder and they will have many options as the draft gets within half a dozen picks of their slot.

by steeler.lifer on Mar 21, 2009 3:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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