McFadden Dreamin
I know I can't be the only one. But right now I'm feeling like a kid on Christmas. Each day that passes I feel like we actually may have a chance!!!!!!!!!!! Can we PLEASE get him signed!!!!!! It would allow us to forget about the secondary come draft day & go for O & D line. That'd be tooooo good to be true. Which each day that passes, I'm thinking it's possible. Tick Tock. Keep Hope Alive!!!!!!
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Amen to that!
I’m totally with you on that…kept worryin’ about Pittsburgh West snatchin’ him up, then learned the good news today that Arizona spent a bunch to keep Kurt Warner there. Now I’m thinkin’ we might actually have a chance if the Cards are done spending! Keeping all my fingers & toes crossed…!
by TheHumbleOne on Mar 5, 2009 6:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yup
one day closer each and every day. man, we’re odds on faves to repeat if we have BMac. Come on!
by Blitzburgh on Mar 5, 2009 6:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
That woud solidify the secondary & facing the AFC West & NFC North this year should be cake. I understand the caution from the front office of not breaking the bank for a guy that hasn’t started a full year, but the guy’s young, good, & should only get better from here. I do belive there’s a couple pro bowls on the horizon for the kid. Let’s keep him in Black & Gold.
Lombardi or Bust
by javaar on Mar 5, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aren’t the patriots or cowboys favored to win the superbowl?
Outside of fans and the organization people barely know who BMac is and think our secondary sucks. It’s kind of amusing though.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Mar 5, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
of course it does
how else are we ranked #1 in pass defense? its all the pass rush right? The secondary is trash….
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 5, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point. My apologies for speaking out of turn. I forgot the Boys & Cheatriots are favored again :-)
I do think the stars may be alligning for us on the BMac front. With TO getting cut today, I wouldn’t be suprised at all if we get something done pretty quickly so Drew R can focus on his diva.
Lombardi or Bust
by javaar on Mar 5, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
suprised at all if we get something done pretty quickly so Drew R can focus on his diva.
That’s a very astute point.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Mar 5, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At some ...
point it becomes non-productive to put eggs in the basket of a man who would really rather be warming your neighbor’s eggs simply because the neighbor’s pile of eggs is larger.
by tenthmtnman on Mar 5, 2009 8:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
well said grasshopper...
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Mar 5, 2009 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not even sure what that means
Maybe I am Aesop challenged…but I don’t understand…
Are you saying that we shouldn’t want McFadden because he was trying to find a big payday somewhere else?
I guess then that the Cardinals shouldn’t sign Warner, and the Ravens shouldn’t sign Ray Lewis???
by MarkJoel66 on Mar 5, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he's saying
McFadden thinks he has big eggs. So we should punch him in the eggs.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Mar 5, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your mom must have been a very frustrated parent.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Mar 5, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
I think she still is.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Mar 5, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed!
With BMac we have 4 CBs that can step in and play and in a conference with the pass happy colts and pats, then you got the 2nd tier passing teams such as SD, denver, Bengals (with Carson Palmer) we need as many quality CBs as we can get in order to get to another Super Bowl. Each day passes the price on Bmac comes down, maybe teams are looking at him being hurt last year and not willing to spend the dough on an unproven player? I mean he has talent and we want him because it helps our depth but he hasn’t yet played a full season yet as starter. But hopefully he’ll be back in the black and gold and then the draft will be nothing but O-Line, DLine, inside linebacker (if Rey drops)
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 5, 2009 9:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let BMAC Go!!
Use the money on a return man!!!
Rumor has it the Steelers have been talking with Chis Carr.. per Steeler Depot – http://www.steelersdepot.com/blog/2009/02/steelers-contact-titans-free-agent-chris-carr/
Link to his stats from NFL.com and he’s also is a solid backup DB/CB!!! http://www.nfl.com/players/chriscarr/profile?id=CAR356737 then click on Career Stats..
He’ll be aroung awhile also, listed 17th on Free Agent DB/CB http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2009CB.php per WalterFootball.com..
He also mad/makes about 1.8mil/year per Titans Web site, alot cheaper option with Position Flexibility!!
BMAC is in no way Flexible positional or financial!
by BigDaddyTat2boy on Mar 5, 2009 9:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
can't re draft someone for that?
the return man isn’t that imperative, sure he can be a game-changer but the devin hester’s of the world are far and few between – and aren’t given up. I’d settle for putting holmes back there every once in a while to change the field position. You can’t find quality corners every-where, but you can find quality returners.
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 5, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But he's a player we have developed and
IF we can sign him to a reasonable long-term deal, I say it’d be better than a rookie/FA because we know what he can do. Count me as one fan who wants to see Bmac back in a Steelers uniform.
by SteelersFnRule on Mar 5, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
but its not gonna be reasonable..
Again – it would be nice to have him back, IMO BMAC will want money,more then the FO will want to spend..
I just dont see BMAC coming in for around 1-1.5Mil a year, even if he did, that would kill our CAP Space..
I think we at around 4-6Mil prior to McHugh, Nance and now FOX ready to sign.. We spent 4Mil on our 2008 Draft picks, so where is the CAP room coming from to sign BMAC?
Plus Carr is a “Decent” CB/DB and in 2008 Ave 28.1yrds per Kick return 31/20+yrds – He and Tone can split time at Punt returns..
Just my thoughts, if BMAC could do somethingelse along with being a DB then I wouldnt mind spending the money on him.. but he can’t so BYE BYE BYE..
by BigDaddyTat2boy on Mar 5, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Seriously, how much cap space do we have exactly anyways? maryrose posted 5.8 mil . . . BMac could get 4 mil from the Patriots or any other serious team.
I don’t think it’s realistic that we can afford him PLUS resigning the three you mentioned PLUS draftees and free agents!
by sylvansteeler on Mar 5, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear where you’re coming from particularily from the cap perspective. But as the reality starts to sink in that he’s not attraciting top tier CB money his definition of reasonableness could/should change. He’s young. A good bit better than “decent”, & we raised him. Let’s keep him.
Lombardi or Bust
by javaar on Mar 5, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok but
Does that mean we could pay him 1-1.5 mil or is he still going to command more? Ike commanded 3.7 in cap value in ’08
by sylvansteeler on Mar 5, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rework contract
we can always rework his contract or give a nice size signing bonus, if it doesn’t count against the cap this year
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 5, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
at the least,
can we put to rest all the ‘McFadden is one of the best free agent CBs out there" crap? How many have signed ahead of him now? Greer, Buchanon, Bartell to name a few. The fact of the matter is, no one has been able to give tangible evidence as to why he was so valuable to this team. Don’t get me wrong, I think he is a good corner. But our pass rush helped him out a ton. He had little impact stats wise this year. I want him to stay, but his value to the team has been overblown by most fans. Gay will be able to step up and do just as adequate a job as Mac.
by steelerark on Mar 5, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Value
I’d say he’s worth 2M per. Townsend’s at 1.8M
If we don’t sign him, I wouldn’t lose too much sleep in our base sets. But as others have pointed out the league gets increasingly pass happy each year & our nickel & dime sets could get problematic. Don’t believe me see the Crow’s Frank Walker.
Lombardi or Bust
by javaar on Mar 5, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He is worth...
2.5-3 Million a year. Period.
He was broken for several weeks and we survived just fine. He is a great player, but we have plenty of them.
We still gotta re-work Deebo too ya know.
by Mechem on Mar 5, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
2.5 to 3 mil
I think what we have here is unfortunate timing. For both McFadden and the team.
McFadden didn’t have a great year due to injury. While on the field, he has played well enough to earn one of those big-money contracts. He just wasn’t on the field long enough to collect big stats. I think he would be getting his pay day if not for the injuries over the past few seasons. In short, he is currently undervalued.
Meanwhile the team simply can’t pay him. We have too much going on with Deebo and the O-line. To make matters worse (for McFadden), we have Gay and Townsend making an almost-good-enough pair. Both had solid seasons. We have no idea if they will repeat those performances, but the little we saw of them was good stuff. That makes it hard for us to justify paying out for BMac.
If BMac signs for the contract we want (somewhere in the 2.5-3 million range), he will lose out on some big bucks. If we sign him, it will probably be a 4 year contract. Meaning, he will be 31 when he has the next chance to push for his big score. Not a good gamble.
Sure, there is the possibility of renegotiating a contract, but you have to offer up a Deebo-like performance for that. And you have to make sure Gay or a draftee doesn’t look like a viable replacement. This is not get rich scheme you can count on, either.
BMac’s opportunity to get paid what he is worth happened at the wrong time. It could cost him anywhere from 4-6 million dollars when the smoke clears. That’s a tough pill to swallow. I’m certain he’ll fight it tooth and nail. Frankly, if he has to settle for far less than he (and many others) think he is worth, he could get pretty darn surly in the locker room.
by Varmint on Mar 5, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
All good points and right on point. That’s why I called it McFadden Dreaming. This time last week I didn’t think it was possible. But with each passing day I think it gets closer. Wouldn’t be catastrophic if we lost him, but if we can keep him the secondary stays loaded.
Lombardi or Bust
by javaar on Mar 5, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
McFadden Dreamin
McFadden is not such a special CB that the Steelers would pay a premium for him. If he stays, great, because he knows the defense. If he leaves he can be replaced by William Gay and they draft somebody who can replace Townsend at some point. The Steelers may still have to draft a safety unless the team thinks Ryan Mundy can do the job. Anthony Smith has been cut and Tyrone Carter is really slow. We definitely need another safety (or two!) no matter what happens to McFadden.
Triple-yoi
by Tripleyoi on Mar 5, 2009 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Some McFadden love
Okay, I’m going to jump in with some love for McFadden and I know I’m not alone in that camp, but this thread is a little one-sided. Frankly I’ll admit to being surprised he hasn’t already been signed and therefore my opinion of him is probably too high, but free agency is not complete yet. Let’s see where it all ends up.
What we know for sure about McFadden is that when he was healthy this year he made a solid contribution to the league’s No. 1 pass defense. Perhaps we’ve forgotten that he had a great start to the 08 season before breaking his arm. Through six games (he was injured early in the fourth quarter of Game 6 vs. Cincinnati), he had 30 Tackles, six pass breakups and two intercepts. At that time he was second among all our DBs in tackles (tied with Troy, three behind Clark), led the team in pass breakups (one more than Troy and four more than Ike) and was second on the team in interceptions (one less than Troy, two more than Taylor, Gay, Townsend and Clark). While he was gone, Gay stepped in and did a fine job. When McFadden came back, he mostly resumed his starting duty but Gay was rewarded for his solid play by getting rotated to LCB on a regular basis. As a result McFadden’s playing time was slightly reduced and his stats in the latter part of the season were not as impressive as during the first six games.
McFadden’s statistics generally show this: He allows a high number of completions for a remarkably small number of yards. In other words he does exactly what a Cover 2 type of cornerback is supposed to do, close on the receiver and limit his gain. He rarely gets beat deep on those occasions when he is in man-coverage down the sidelines, as evidenced by his low yardage per attempt figure of 5.60 yards. Last year, from the best statistical evidence I can find, his YPA figure was a remarkable 4.5. I hope someone corrects me or provides better statistics. This year, according to Football Outsiders (who ranked Willie Gay as the No. 1 nickle back in the league), McFadden was ranked the fourth best CB in the league at closing down completions for short yardage (thus making the passing play “unsuccessful” by FO standards).
McFadden is probably our best CB at run support, which is one of the reasons why he was shifted to LCB against generally right-dominant running formations. He’s stronger than Ike (and certainly Gay) and less likely to be juked out of his cleats. Also, while Ike is considered our top shutdown CB (and rightly so), the Steelers generally did not switch CBs in coverage to keep Ike on a specific receiver. The result was that McFadden had significant playing time against top receivers and, as mentioned, rarely got beat. He did give up a long pass to Boldin in the Super Bowl through a lack of concentration down the field.
Another thing we know for sure about McFadden is that he switched agents to Drew Rosenhaus. This was an excellent move on his part because Rosenhaus is one of the busiest and most successful agents in professional sports. However, as fans we are also entitled to think of Rosenhaus as the devil incarnate. My opinion is that this move has resulted in some unfairly negative opinion about McFadden and he has often been portrayed as being more interested in money than in being a long-term Steeler. To me he is just a guy doing the best he can to make a living.
Another thing we know about McFadden is that the Steelers said going into free agency they would make a strong attempt to re-sign him. There was also a report earlier this week that said they had made a new five-year offer. While we don’t know the specifics of this offer, my opinion is that it is probably high enough to keep other interest to a minimum, while being low enough for McFadden and Rosenhaus to go through the process and see if they can get more. So far that has been unsuccessful. Perhaps the major stumbling block in calculating McFadden’s worth is his history of injuries, which is also one of the facts we know about him. Why should a team play a high salary for a guy who plays on average about three-quarters of the season?
The upside of retaining McFadden has been documented elsewhere. A three-deep CB group of Ike, McFadden and Gay, with Townsend in the wings, would keep our starting defense in tact and our primary coverage guys around for a minimum of 2-3 years. This would also allow us to put more of a focus on areas of greater need in the draft and give the offense more time to get its act together while the No. 1 defense in the league keeps us competitive in every game.
My own opinion is that anything less than $5 million per year for McFadden is an absolute steal and well worth the investment, perhaps even allowing us to release Townsend and clearing up $2 million in cap space. I’ll predict that McFadden signs somewhere for $20-25 million over 4-5 years and I hope it’s with the Steelers.
by steeler.lifer on Mar 5, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
good stuff lifer
could of been a post itself…
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Mar 5, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you decide to, please try not to get the beach boys stuck in my head. Thanks.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Mar 5, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nice!
I like what you have written and it makes me want to keep him more.
by steelerark on Mar 5, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
"Whaddya' mean all the beer is gone..?
by OhioYinzer on Mar 5, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like McFadden, and my earlier post wasn’t meant to imply that we would be better off without him, I just don’t think he’s good enough to throw around the kind of premium dollars that some CBs are getting. In fact, I don’t even think that it’s worth paying those guys $8 million a year, at least in our defense. I’d rather throw the big bucks at James Harrison (and eventually at Woodley). McFadden may eventually realize that his market is in the $4.5 to $5 million per year range and the Steelers should be willing to go that far, so he may be back. But it would not shock me to see a team throw $6 million per year at him. I do not want the Steelers to match that kind of offer. What little extra money we have should be directed to retaining Harrison.
Triple-yoi
by Tripleyoi on Mar 6, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lifer, townsend thought
You mentioned even releasing Deshea. Man. Thats something I hadnt pondered but almost isnt terrible.
Still somehow he found the fountain of youth and has kicked some butt in the last year or two. Hard to let that guy go.
What we have here is a good problem. Too many good players to choose from :D
I do personally think we should resign him, and CERTAINLY think he deserved the nod before Kemo-therapy.
by Mechem on Mar 5, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
if u listen to that lebeau interview i posted
He talks about Deshea being an amazing leader and really really intelligent player. Would be hard to part with him. But why not Foote?? He costs more anyway.
by Blitzburgh on Mar 6, 2009 7:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4:30 AM Blitz?????
Now that’s dedication…..or addiction…one of the two :-)
Lombardi or Bust
by javaar on Mar 6, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's up at that time all the time
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Mar 6, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Other Free Agents
Igor Olshansy would be a great signing for us. He is 6’6" and strong as a grizzly.
He would be a great backup if we could sign him. He is far better than Eason, and Roye is gone. We need some strength there and Igor turns 27 in May, so he is young. Our d-line is old. I would actually rather sign Igor and let McFadden pine for the big bucks, and move Gay up to full-time starter. When Aaron Smith went out last year, we were getting blown back a bit on the line late in the year. Igor doesn’t get blown back much.
Finally, I would look at anothe nickel such as Rolle (when he gets cut possibly) or even McAllister if health allows. This all must be done in conjunction with signing the Silverback of course.
by steeelfann on Mar 6, 2009 10:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Each day that passes ...
With Kevin Colbert coming out and saying after he signed Chris K. that he feels good about the team’s ability to resign most of their free agents, you think he knew something that we didn’t? I am shocked that BMac hasn’t signed yet and it looks pretty good for the Steelers. I don’t buy the team can’t do anything because it only has $5M to $6M in cap room left. This team will get the BMac deal done if he comes in pretty close to their numbers.
I don’t think Chris Carr would be a bad fall back option, but why settle for less when you can get the original? I will go out on a limb and say that BMac comes back and that the Steelers 1st pick in this year’s draft will be Jarron Gilbert, DE, San Diego State. No. 2 is C Eric Wood, Louisville, No. 3 G/T- Jamon Meredith, South Carolina, No. 3B – WR/KR/PR Mike Wallace, Missippi.
by datruth4life on Mar 6, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would love that
As much as I don’t necessarily agree that B-Mac is so essential to another SB run, I would love to have him back and see that kind of draft.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 6, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The cap space game is difficult for fans to play
I try not to worry too much about cap-space implications regarding players because while salaries are public knowledge, there are a number of different ways that teams can work their numbers to get under the cap that we, as fans, can only guess at. Any player deemed necessary to the team can be signed, it just depends on the value the team wants to place on him and the extent to which other parts of the salary structure can be juggled to make it happen. Finding an extra $1-2 million to sign McFadden might be challenging but far from impossible for the people in the FO. I agree with datruth in that a contract of between $5-6 million for BMac is probably do-able for the Steelers.
As for Foote, he is the same position as any veteran anywhere who is getting starter’s money but not starting. Townsend is not getting starter’s money so the savings of cutting him are minimal and he certainly brings some value to the field (and as Blitz points out, the locker room). Foote, considering his contract lasts only one more year and he is making decent money, will probably play less next year and would have some mid-draft value to all the new teams switching to 3-4 defenses, is on much shakier ground. The same could be true for Willie Parker. If Mendenhall hadn’t been injured last year it’s quite possible he would have become the No. 1 back by the end of the season and all of us would be wondering whether Parker’s $3.35 million base salary, in the last year of his contract and with Moore as a capable backup, couldn’t be put to better use somewhere else. It’s something the FO might still be thinking about, for all we know. That’s what I mean about the salary cap game being very tough for us fans to play. It’s a jigsaw puzzle we can’t put together because we don’t know how much the shapes of some big pieces can be changed at any moment, and also because the FO is simultaneously working on the salary cap jigsaw puzzles for 2010 and 2011.
Datruth, love your first four picks for the Steelers. However, I think Wood and Meredith will both be gone before our second pick. Meredith is edging up near first-round status He has tested very well and is being evaluated as a LT prospect after switching to guard his senior season. NFL Draft Scout has him rated the No. 7 OT prospect and 56th overall, slightly ahead of Wood (59th). Gilbert in the first round and any of the other those three other OL (Mack, Wood, Meredith) in the second round would be a great first day of the draft, even if we have to move up to get them as would seem likely.
by steeler.lifer on Mar 6, 2009 8:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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