Another CB signs before BMac
NFL.com is reporting that Shawn Springs has agreed to a contract with the Pats* and will sign later today. New England* had been discussed as a possible destination for Bryant McFadden, but now it looks like that won't happen.
Good news for those of us (myself included) who would like to see the Steelers sign BMac to a 4 or 5 year deal at a reasonable price. So far the following teams have re-signed or acquired CBs through free agency or trades in the past week or so: Redskins (Hall), Colts (Hayden), Ravens (Foxworth), Jets (Sheppard), Eagles (Hanson), Lions (Henry), Broncos (Goodman), Rams (Bartell), Saints (Greer), and Pats* (Springs). That's 10 teams, several of which were rumored to be interested in BMac, who have passed on him. Who else is left? The Cards? The Dolphins, because they lost Goodman? Seems like BMac is rapidly running out of options. The chances of seeing him in a Steelers uniform next year just keep increasing every day.
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As Colbert said...
It only takes one team to drive up the price.
I’d love to see him back as much as anyone, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
by syrsteelerfan on Mar 6, 2009 10:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
PixburghArn was wrong, as usual.
:)
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Mar 6, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey!!!
I said he WOULD sign with us
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Mar 6, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He will
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Mar 6, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody hacked my account and posted some stuff about the Pats
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Mar 6, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YES!!!!!
Each passing day looks better & better
Lombardi or Bust
by javaar on Mar 6, 2009 10:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll Say it again
BMAC as much as the rest of us want will not be back, or maybe a less than 5% chance to see BMAC in Black & Gold..
Even if every other CB/DB is signed, BMAC wants money similar to IKE or IMO at least 80% of it somewhere around 2+mil a year. I do not believe the FO has that much wiggle room in the CAP to get a deal done, especially with no CBA in place for 2010…
Very similar to the problems we are having with Deebo, cant defer!!
Yes its a shame, because it would solidify our backfield for years to come, not to mention the ability to develope viable replacements with contracts expire..
by BigDaddyTat2boy on Mar 6, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cap
Blitz mentioned on my BMac post & I agree. Timmons is ready. For my money Foote can go now rather than next year if it means not having any worries about secondary depth to focus on O & D line. The longer he remains unsigned, the lower the price. Not sold, but I’m beginning to think we can get it done.
Lombardi or Bust
by javaar on Mar 6, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does the Foote idea keep floating around...
1) He’s actually cheap for a guy who could be a starter most places in this league
2) He’s a better ILB on 1st and 2nd down that Timmons is at this point
3) At home games last year, Timmons was announced as 1 of 5 starting LB’s. The rotation worked pretty well if I recall
4) Even if Timmons shows up as a 4 down player this year, depth is critical in this league. If he or Farrior went down Foote could step in. If OLB goes down Timmons shifts over and Foote steps in to ILB
5) He’s a great character guy, good in the locker room, and cutting him would piss other players off. Some times that’s business but in this case since it’s not necessary it would spoil what is otherwise a historically close team
6) He’s not really trade bait (i know you’re not saying that but others have)
7) The Steelers don’t ever do it this way…
He’ll play another year while we groom Keyaron Fox or a Patrick Bailey or a draft pick to be depth or a potential Potsie replacement. Then he’ll make some money somewhere else. That’s a perfectly good way to go.
by syrsteelerfan on Mar 6, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
?
How does two guys with the same agent get completely different results? I know it seems obvious but a guy like Owens, who is 35 on the decline in his career, already has several teams interested and to have a deal in place soon and a guy who is on the incline has nothing?
by tannofsteel84 on Mar 6, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Owens = ticket sales
BMac not so much.
by TURFgeek on Mar 6, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Owens
also has more catches and TDs (maybe yards too) than any other receiver in the last 3 years. B-Mac hasn’t completed a 16 game season.
by WolfpackSteelersFan on Mar 6, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
syrsteelerfan, you’re wrong. Timmons had more sacks, more tackles, more INT, and more forced fumbles. He is better than Foote
J Mike
by air holmes on Mar 6, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Better maybe, but you still need depth.
syrs points were completely valid. Timmons had a great year no question. And he probably should get to start games more.
But Id rather not chance not having a guy to step in when one gets hurt would you?
We really need to get Starks a real deal that gets some cap room for us this year, and then sign B-mac.
by Mechem on Mar 6, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Each to his own Air Holmes
syrsteelerfan is only stating his opinion. Timmons was in the game more on 3rd down and late in the game than Foote. Stats mean bugger all. I think Timmons could and will be better than Foote soon, but its closer than you think.
Either way Foote will stay, he is not going to be traded. He would have little value in trading circles. He is way too valuable to us in our 5 LB rotation set
BLITZBURGH IS BACK
by Steeler_ on Mar 6, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do you still live in New Zealand?
Because that would be pretty badass rocking a #7 jersey in New Zealand. If so do people ask you about it?
I wore my Ward throwback all over Amsterdam. I doubt anyone knew what the heck that was.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Mar 6, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All the time bro
Yep still in New Zealand, although i hope to move to the States
I wear it with pride, especially on Mondays (which is Sunday USA time). I bleed black and gold as passionately as anyone. Im at University and its quite funny when Americans see me in my jersey or watching me and the boys play a bit of backyard style football, they mustve thought theyd never see that in NZ
Most people have no idea what the jersey is, some people even ask me if i just took a heap of letters and stitched them on lol Some dont believe Roethlisberger is a guys name, so i promptly tell them to wake up
BLITZBURGH IS BACK
by Steeler_ on Mar 7, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice keep flying the flag over there. What impeccable taste you have.
"It was an attrition football game and you know we like that."
by showtime on Mar 7, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Devil's advocate
Timmons’ better stats just suggest he was better in the situations where he was played. Had he been playing every down, perhaps we’d be more familiar with his weaknesses – like missing open field tackles.
The simple fact is, Foote was on the field. If Foote was not better than Timmons for those plays, I’m pretty sure that LeBeau guy is qualified to make the call.
by Varmint on Mar 6, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weighing In
on some of what is above with my thoughts;
1) I am still not sure about the Steelers ability to sign 20. If they are keeping guys like Foote, Carter, Davis and talking to Fox, how can they afford him with the tight cap space and the draft players needing to be added?
2) I like 20. I see the potential. But the league is valuing other known commodities as opposed to BMAC. We know his potential but in reality he had never been able to supplant 26 until 08 then missed a bunch of games with injury. When he returned he split time with a second year 5th round pick in 22. With the economy, the unease over the uncapped 10 and future and the fact that as good as he looked in early 08 he was in front of the most ferocious pass rush since The Curtain perhaps owners aren’t willing to give the $$$. His ego driven agent wants too much for too long to a still unproven 20.
3) Really like Foote and agree with SYR points completely. Timmons will be better long term and maybe in 09 but depth is HUGE in the Steelers blueprint to ultimate victory. I see what they are doing. But…if I’m Colbert I cut Foote, Davis 38, Carter, Townsend (I know that hurts!) Kirshke and don’t sign Fox. That saves about 7 million or more. With that money get 20 signed, extend 92 and 83. Pat Bailey, Donovan Woods, Madison, Paxson, Russell, Bruce Davis and whomever they draft will step up. Got to sign 92 now. All those thoughts about keeping him an extra year as the franchise guy are moot. There is no agreement in 2010. It is an uncapped year. The franchise tag is part of the agreement is it not?
4) Don’t know if Big Max will extend. He made 7 million last year. He is making 8 million next. Then, there is an uncapped year. Why would he take less? Always liked him. Always had low confidence in Z&A because they sat him and played Simmons and Colon. He is a good young player with 2 rings. He is worth $$$.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Mar 6, 2009 9:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
insane may be a harsh term
but 5020, you are talking about axing players from the NFL’s #1 defense here. If that’s what was needed to keep Harrison, I’d be for it. But Harrison isn’t going to leave this year — he’s still under contract. So let’s keep the veterans who are proven winners, and not just guess that some other unproven players will “step up.”
by TURFgeek on Mar 6, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Whaddya' mean all the beer is gone..?
by OhioYinzer on Mar 7, 2009 3:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Golly
You stirred up a hornets next with that one!
If Foote goes, it will be a money thing. He didn’t have a great season this year, but he is still valuable to the team. Money is the only reason to drop him.
I doubt very much that Townsend goes anywhere. If I recall correctly, he already took a pay cut to stay with the team. You don’t reward that by dumping him for the rest of his money. If Colbert did that, he’d never be able to sign another sunsetter to the roster.
You’ve got to have serious faith in our practice squad if you’re going to let Carter and Kirschke go.
I agree with the notion that cutting some of those guys to free up cap space might be necessary, but we can’t afford to lose all of them.
by Varmint on Mar 7, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Insanity?
What is insane? That I like Foote? That I like Townsend? I do like them. 26 did pick 6 and beat the Cowboys last year. 50 is valuable depth and still a starter.
Point is this. If they don’t sign 92 this off season he is gone. He will play in 09 for 1.5 million, wreak havoc and then sign with Wash, Dall, NE or some other big pockets team. 2010 is uncapped and there is no “franchise player” when the NFLPA agreement runs out. (I think) Here is the questions in my (insane or rational you be the judge) eyes;
1) Would you guys trade keeping Foote one year on the bench for Harrison in Steelers colors for 3-5? Even with Timmons ready? Bailey is not unproven, he was Steelers ROTY and a demon hitter. I watched Don Woods in preseason and thought he would make the team. He was that impressive. Mundy impressed enough that they let Anthony Smith walk. Russell can handle 38’s duties. They added a 260 LB FA FB on the roster for depth. Paxson didn’t embarras. I have faith in the FO.
2) I am a Townsend fan. As much as a leader as 26 is, would you guys rather have an aging Townsend or a rising BMAC in the secondary? I feel comfortable with Gay. I would rather him be the nickle though. Again, if you read my original post I am not optimistic we can sign 20.
3) If we lose Harrison, BMAC and Miller isn’t that much larger in the bigger picture than losing Foote, Townsend and the vets? (Carey Davis, Travis, Carter etc) If Colbert could put it together, wouldn’t you trade all those guys for Heath, Harrison and 20?
Again, you all have read my posts. I hold the Rooney’s and the FO in the highest regard. I am just trying to think outside the box. 92 is the most ferocious pass rusher we have had in these parts since K Greene, Lloyd days. Heath is the best TE we have ever had. BMAC while unproven has shown potential to be a starting DB for the next 5 years. Townsend (and I love him) will be an ESPN analyst 5 years down the road. I don’t see what is so insane. It is reality. I would rather lose a player one year too soon than keep him one year too long. Any of you in my generation remember what happened to the 70s Steelers. They morphed into the 80’s Steelers. Joe Greene got old. So did Franco. With the impending uncapped year the NFL will be changing gentlemen. Got to be ready. Go Steelers!
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Mar 7, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
just a point
2010 still has rules such as the franchise tag. Technically it’s part of the current CBA, it’s just uncapped. I think there are even some provisions that would allow them to franchise as many as 3 players in the uncapped year (that’s just a hazy recollection though). But they definitely do have the ability to tag Harrison next year. And unfortunately for Deebo, this makes the most financial sense for the Steelers I would think.
by Chicago Steeler on Mar 7, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CHI, if they can franchise 92 then that is great. At 1.5 million next year and then as a top 5 LB $$ in 2010 the Steelers are way ahead of the game. In 2011 92 will be a 32 going on 33 year old LB and Woodley will need a contract.
I do not think the FO will do any of what I said above including getting 20 signed. I just would hate to lose 92 and 83 at the expense of aging vets who don’t have much left in the tank…as much as they have contributed and are team guys.
When You Run The Ball Good Things Happen
by 5020 on Mar 7, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you 50
I’m not too worried about 20. If he’ll take a contract slightly less then what Ike’s getting then I’m happy. If he wants more, well he can go play for Steelers West.
I am worried about 83. I would love to see a deal done. I think Heath brings a lot to the table and we don’t have any other players on the roster that can replace what he’s got.
I love Deebo, but for 1.5 this year and 9 next year he’s a bargain. And after next year? Well if history has shown us anything its that we will get another productive OLB.
I would like to see Deshea play out this year with us. I’m not too worried about Foote. As good of depth as he’ll be, I think we’ll have that same depth with Fox, Bailey and potentially another draft pick.
by Chicago Steeler on Mar 7, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the idea of an uncapped year. That being said, the uncapped year means that Mr 83 will be a RFA instead of a free agent. Nice, right?
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Mar 7, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a capologist!!!!
This is a great debate but I think we are lacking some knowledge not only about our current cap structure and how flexible it might be, but more importantly about the rules governing salary increases and franchise tags if the NFL goes forward with uncapped seasons in 2010 and beyond. For example, my understanding, as mentioned above, is that we can franchise tag three players next year and perhaps beyond that. Not only that, but the rules may change for the number of years a player requires before he becomes eligible for unrestricted Free Agency. I’ve read that a player must have six years of service and therefore Heath, for example, would only be a RFA in 2010, not a UFA. We need Blitz to recruit a Capologist!!!
One of the special things about the Steelers over the years has been the way they’ve treated their players. They’re not cheap. We have lost a number of players to free agency but richly rewarded many others, and in general the team has been close to the salary cap. Still, the players understand that this is a business and they know the team will make business decisions that they might not like. Alan Faneca obviously left on bad terms and the Rooneys long ago admitted they screwed up the Woodson situation. There are undoubtedly many others.
Larry Foote understands that if he doesn’t stay n Pittsburgh, it’s not because the team doesn’t want him but because it might NOT make sense to pay a veteran backup $4 million when he is inevitably going to end up elsewhere a year from now. It might even be to his benefit to go to another team this year where he will be a starter, and either sign a long-term deal with that team or choose to become an UFA after producing better numbers playing for say, San Diego, then he would this season with Pittsburgh. He thinks he is good enough to start but he isn’t go to in 2009 and his playing time will be less than it was this past year. Timmons needs playing time in challenging situations to continue his development, and if he improves as much in Year 3 as he did in Year 2 (and why wouldn’t he, considering how young and athletic he is), then we have a stud at that position who is going to reduce Foote to just a few short-yardage situation snaps. With Fox we would have a five-year veteran who doesn’t need any more grooming, and in Davis a bulked-up sub for OLB who as a 260-pound former D-lineman might also be good as a run-stuffer while lining up at ILB in some situations. The next two guys are young but got their feet wet (especially Bailey) and would still be at least a couple injuries from being forced to play. We’ll almost certainly pick a LB in the draft anyway because those are good athletes for special teams and that would be another person to throw into the mix and perhaps be a surprise.
Overall the backup LB corps would not be as strong without Foote but it’s not like we’d be trying to replace a veteran starter with a rookie draft pick. As the primary ILB backup we’re replacing a seven-year veteran with a five-year veteran who is a better athlete, and as the primary OLB backup we’d be replacing a raw two-year player (Timmons) with a raw one-year veteran (Davis) who is actually a better fit physically for the position.
I’d rather use Foote’s $4 million to help keep starters around.
by steeler.lifer on Mar 7, 2009 3:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Two franchise and one transitional
"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"
at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.
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