BMF's Mock Draft
I appreciate all of those of y'all who have submitted mocks in the fanposts section. All informative and entertaining as we count the final days down to the draft. For a few select folks who have been posting rigorously here about the draft for multiple years, their final mocks are deserving of a front page gander by all. Let's take a look at what BMF thinks during the final week of educated speculation. - Blitz-
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I never got to finish my draft value charts because of a few changes around here (a new house and some travel for work), but here's my mock draft. I'm shooting for "optimistic, yet plausible", since that's how good drafts usually work - if you're not getting good values at your spot, you're not drafting right. Anyway, tell me what you think.
1. Vontae Davis CB, Illinois - I like Butler the most of all the late first round DB's, but him falling here might be a little too optimistic. Davis has some question marks, but he's a better athlete and has the speed to eventually take Ike Taylor's role. They brought him in instead of Butler, so they must not be too turned off by the attitude questions.
Also, this is a complete hunch, but I have a weird feeling that we could be targeting Evander Hood for a trade-up in the first. He's too much of a perfect fit as a Steelers DE for us NOT to have brought him in for a visit. I doubt it will actually happen, but I will be accepting pats on the back if it does.
Other possibilities: Hood, Butler, Britton, Wood
(Rounds 2-7 after the break)
2. Fili Moala DE/DT, USC - Of all the defensive linemen in the draft, I think Moala has the best chance to end up as a Steeler. Much like Aaron Smith, he's strong and hard working, and he has the athleticism to work his way down the line and make the tackle. We brought him in for a visit, and I could even see us packaging a 5th to make sure we get him in the second. He could step into the rotation right away and solidify the future of the line.
Other possibilities: Meredith, Mickens, Byrd
3. Antione Caldwell C, Alabama - Based on how I see this draft working out, we're most likely to take an OL in the third. Unless we trade our pick or someone falls a lot, there will probably be better values at other positions in the first and second. I really like Caldwell as a potentially dominant force in the middle - NFL Draft Scout likens him to Jeff Hartings for what that's worth. He doesn't fit in great with the zone blocking system, but neither do any of our current OL's or most of the prospects we brought in. I have no idea if they're going to keep using the "zone blocking with man blockers" system they have in place or if they'll finally admit we're only ever going to be a running team, but they sure haven't hinted that they're looking at pass blockers.
Other possibilities: Cadogan, Kropog, Levitre
4. Roy Miller DT, Texas - Despite playing for Texas, having good production and game tape, and putting up outstanding workout numbers, Roy Miller has been largely under the radar. I've seen projections with him in the 6th or 7th, but he won't actually last that long. He might even be worth a 3rd rounder. Maybe he needs to gain some excess weight and take plays off to get noticed. Anyway, he's a legitimate NT candidate with good upper and lower body strength, a squatty Hamptonesque frame that can anchor against the double team, and good initial quickness to win the leverage battle. If the draft played out as I'm suggesting, I'd be the most excited about this pick.
5a. Andrew Gardner OT, Georgia Tech - At some point, we need to draft an OT, so here we go. Gardner is a pretty good athlete who plays hard. I'm not sure he's enough of an athlete to be a long term solution at LT, but he could be decent on the right or as a backup. We could go with Lydon Myrtha, who is a great athlete with a long history of minor injuries, but I think we play it safer and get Gardner here.
5b. Mike Wallace WR, Mississippi - Now that Nate Washington has developed to the point where he could actually start somewhere, it's time to draft another unfinished track star who can frustrate us for a few years and leave once he gets good. This pick might be one of my more optimistic, and I wouldn't be shocked if he was selected in the 4th - even by us. He has those workout numbers that drive GM's bananas.
6. Dan Gronkowski TE, Maryland - Gronkowski is a good blocker and the Steelers could use a good blocking TE if they're going to keep running out of 2 TE sets. He also has decent athleticism and hands, so he could make us forget about the Matt Spaeth experiment if we drafted him. He reminds me a bit of Jerame Tuman.
7a. Zach Potter DE, Nebraska - He may not make it to our 7th rounders, but if he did, he'd finish the transformation of our DL. He looks like a Keisel-type who could really make his mark as a backup and special teamer. Hopefully he could help rid us of guys like Paxson and Roye.
7b. Andrew Hartline OT, Central Michigan - Hartline is a pretty good athlete who needs some work. He could hang onto the practice squad or even the inactive roster for a year while he gets bigger and hopefully contribute his sophmore season. We could use some more upside on our OL.
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Nice Mock
But I just don’t see the Steelers taking Davis. I think they’re pretty high on Taylor and Gay, and they wouldn’t add a depth pick in round 1. Plus Vontae Davis is a moron. Any time a prospect with that kind of talent gets benched in the middle of the season, it’s bad news. I like the Wallace (though I prefer Mike Thomas) and Miller picks, and I think Moala could be a real nice addition to the team as long as his attitude is in line.
Other possibilities: Meredith, Mickens, Byrd
I completely agree with you on those. I got my money on Meredith but either of the other two would be good picks there.
It's true what they say...Even the NFL's Big Wigs hate the Steelers. On the plus side, I can now tell my future grand kids about Hines Ward and how the NFL made rules because of him. Roger Goodell, you make me sick.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Apr 21, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m not that high on Davis, but of all the CB’s they could take in the first, they brought him and Smith in. If he was a complete moron, uncoachable, etc, they could have figured that out without bringing him in for a visit. That tells me they’re not pulling him from their draft board and if he’s there at 1.32, he’d have to be one of the most talented players left. I think he’s better than Smith, anyway.
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by BadMaafala on Apr 21, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hood
that is an interesting theory. If I remember correctly, the only players the Steelers drafted from last years visits was Dixon and Mundy.
by SteelBuckeye on Apr 21, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Davis.....
I think he will be gone by then….. too much talent but questionable intangibles.
Also, can’t see them not taking an OL on the first day. We have three OL in the final year of their contracts, and we had to tender one at $8.45m even though he had lost his starting job and didn’t get back in until an injury got him back there. Hartwig is old, and was man-handled by Ngata. We need a C, and Mack is the best in the draft.
As for Ziggy Hood, I had thought about him if he fell to the Steelers; however, I don’t think he will fall to them, and the Steelers have only taken one DL in the last 20 years with their 1st round pick (Casey Hampton).
The Steelers have to get back to ball control. The OL needs help. Besides, if they are able to kill the clock by running the ball, it should cut down on the number of plays the defense would be on the field for.
We do need help on the defensive front, but right now, I think the more pressing need is on the OL.
Smith was a 4th round pick, Keisel wasn’t drafted. I’d prefer they take a gamble on the DL in the later rounds, use the early rounds to get guys who can anchor our OL for years.
by imike29 on Apr 21, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Keisel was a 7th rounder, by the way, but I do agree with the premise. We have two of the best DL and D coaches, and two of the worst OL and O coaches. We are cruising by with no talent there and it shows.
The offense needs guys who shine without being polished, because our shoe shiners are out of product. I like your point about improving the offense improving the defense – one that was Troy chimed in about last year. Our defense, aging or not, is not meant to be on the field 35 minutes a game. We had far too many 3 and outs last year due to inconsistent running.
I don’t want 3 yards and a cloud of dust, but I do want both lines to dominate the opposition. If the O-line can keep Ben clean the steelers will destroy their opposition. We must draft quality D-line this year, but the steelers have shown that they can find it deep in the draft.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 21, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be thrilled
if the Steelers had an o-line that could do 3 yards an a cloud of dust.
by SteelBuckeye on Apr 21, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steelguy99
You are right, Keisel was a 7th round pick. I must have been thinking of Travis Kirschke and Chris Hoke….. both of those guys were undrafted. Or maybe Scott Paxson and Jordan Reffett, two more DL we currently have on our roster that were undrafted. So, what is that, 4 undrafted, 1 in the 7th round, Aaron Smith and Nick Eason in the 4th (Denver), and Hampton in the 1st. 7 of 8 DL on the best defense in the NFL, and we are so quick to run out and spend high picks on a position we have done very well in finding and evaluating talent. Sorry, just do not see it.
As for our OL, I would have killed for 3 yards and a cloud of dust many times last year. 3rd and 4th and 1 and we are throwing! We could not eat the clock at the end of the game….. I want to see the other team hang their heads because they know our beloved Steelers are going to run it, and they can not stop it. That is domination, not keeping Ben off his back…… although, when you run it, and the D has to respect it, Ben should have WRs running free all over the place.
by imike29 on Apr 21, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The Steelers have to get back to ball control." ?????
imike29:
The Steelers have to get back to ball control.
On what do you base this assertion? You do realize that the Steelers are the reigning Super Bowl Champions, right? They’re not exactly in a rebuilding year where they need to revamp the whole way they do things.
In other words, I don’t think they NEED to do anything that drastic, in any aspect of their game. Your perception that they have to get back to ball control is based on a fictional vision of a blue collar Steelers that believes in image more than winning (like the Phil. Flyers).
The Steelers believe in winning, and if they can do that with an approach that doesn’t require a strong offensive line, then they will.
I hope that they draft OL as much as you, but not so that they can reinstate their image as the runningest team in the NFL. I just want them to keep Ben healthy.
by PaulMorel on Apr 22, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My perception?
Yeah, my perseption that they had trouble converting on 3rd and 4th downs? That they had to pass in situations that they would normally run? That they could not eat up the clock at the end of games (SUPER BOWL) and forced the defense to win games for them by holding down the other teams offense.
How many come from behind victories did they have last year? Thank God for Ben!
We can not run the ball. If that is my perception I would bet I am not alone!
by imike29 on Apr 23, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BMF Never Disappoints
Good draft. Things could work out similar to that. Here is my final mock before the weekend:
1) DE Jarron Gilbert – Just like Timmons, give this guy 3 years and he could be a monster. Eric Wood is the safer pick, but the Steelers will have to trade up in the 2nd to get Gilbert or Maola if that is the case. And if it is, then a good move.
2) Jamon Meredith – Can play guard next year and LT/RT in the future. In fact, I’d feel better about him at RT with Colon inside at G.
3) Mike Wallace – If the Steelers want him, they’d have to get him here. I’ve seen highlights of this guy, and he is a threat to go everytime he touches the ball. I like the fact that he is already 6’0, 200 lbs. He is no smurf. A couple of years in the weight room and he’s going to be stud — and a starter opposite Santonio Holmes.
4) CB/S Sherrod Martin – I don’t know if he’d drop this far, but I’m an optimist. The Steelers like him a lot and could take him in the third round. If he’s gone, then the choice is CB Mickens from Cincinnatti. I have a feeling that Tomlin knows whether this guy is a true baller or not, having been a coach with the Bearcats.
5) NT/DT – Sammie Lee Hill – With he and Gilbert in the fold, you have some prospects to work with and learn from the best 3-4 D-line coach in the business.
5) LT Joel Bell – He is raw, but has a lot of tools to work with. He could pay big-time down the road.
6) RB/FB Frank “The Tank” Summers – If he’s not going to be there in the 6th round, then I’d take him in the fifth. The Steelers are in dire need of a short-yardage goal line back and The Tank would look good catching a few of Ben’s swing passes out of the backfield.
7) DE Zach Potter – The Steelers take another flier on a Brett Kiesel clone. He’s not as athletic as Kiesel, but he can put on 20 pounds and be heck to try to run against in 2 to 3 years.
7) OLB Philip Hunt – 6’0, 245 lbs, but has had 24 sacks during the past 2 years. What is a draft without the Steelers taking a linebacker anyway.
Man, BMF, I do like your draft. If things go down like that, I wouldn’t be mad at all. Would love to hear your feedback as always. I do wonder if the rumors about the Steelers looking at Roscoe Parrish have any merit. Truth be told, I think I’d rather have Wallace than Parrish. I thin Wallace is going to be more than just a 3rd WR and return man.
Thoughts?
by datruth4life on Apr 21, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
possible we have to puruse players rather than picks do to cash flow problems for signing rookies?
by Blitzburgh on Apr 21, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was running the show this would probably be the way to go this year
i don’t think that your idea is too far off what the FO may be thinking:
1) “We have a veteran team, that has won the SB, and that has few glaring needs”
2) “How many players of last year’s draft are still with the team?”
3) “How much cap space am I really going to have Vs. the number of players that I realistically think we will keep from this year’s draft?”
4) “Would we be better off trading up for a player we really like, reducing the # of draft picks but getting our guy, that to just stay put and draft 8 players, when you realistically only keep 3 or 4?”
5) “We have thrived in finding undrafted free agents, so even while we will be reducing the # of draft picks, we can still find quality players that are not drafted… for depth and for training camp”
I would think that it is a very real possibility that the Steelers target a couple of players, go get them, and then draft for depth with the few choices left afterwards…
my two cents…
by The_Nation_in_Mexico on Apr 22, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I was running the show.....
Good Job, The_Nation_in_Mexico
Only I would add some of my thoughts and philosophy below:
6) DO NOT reach for a player because you feel desperate to fill in a certain position
7) Stay your ground and follow your draft board
8) If I am drafting at the end of the 1st round, I am tempted to trade out that round to same some money and pick up a 2nd rounder
9) Always reach as many Draft Guides that you can. It’s all about winning, not proving how much you think you know and how big your Ego is
10) NEVER give up quality picks for quantity picks
12) Always think VALUE when it comes to picking players from each round
13) Undrafted Free Agents is where you get to how your peers how smart you are by finding these gems, and turning them into starters and pro bowlers
by Steeler Y360 Nation on Apr 23, 2009 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imike29, 3-4 DE's are more in demand now
imike29, the day where you can wait until the middle and late rounds before even thinking about getting a 3-4 DE are gone because now you have about a third of the teams in the NFL running a 3-4 D. If teams continue to take the attitude that we can get those at the end of the draft, the bones could be picked clean, especially in this draft.
At pick no. 32, if the Steelers don’t take A. Mack, E. Woods, or Darius Butler, then the pick had better be Gilbert. I think this guy could get 10 sacks a year in the Steelers D. When is the last time that they had a DE do that? He’s not going to be a 2-down DE.
Thoughts?
by datruth4life on Apr 21, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True, but if you listen to Lebeau or Colbert you’ll generally hear them say that we play the 3-4 differently. The bones could be picked clean, but they won’t be this year, as long as we find a solid 3-4DE every other year our system will work, we only need two of them after all.
I like A. Mack, E. Woods, maybe D. Butler, or Gilbert at 1.32. Ideally Mack/Woods/Unger/Gilbert (yeah right) will all be there at 1.32 and we can take gilbert, and move up and snag one of the other three at some point in the second. If we got two guys with top-flight talent for the lines I’d be happier than a Russell in a drug dealers house.
Hell, I’d be happy if we moved up in both the 1st and the 2nd to do so. We need better not more, and this is a good year to do it. Lots of value in the 3rd, 4th, 5th rounds, but as Colbert says the O-line is top-heavy. Lets get that addressed right away and find a guy for the 4th and end of 5th. We’re good on projects for now, and there will be plenty more UDFAs that fit the bill.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 21, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-4 DE/OLB
datruth, you are right, these players are more in demand now because teams are going to the 3-4 and will need these types of players to fit the scheme.
However, they are just switching now, like the Pack bringing in Capers, and their scouting department might not have been searching the colleges for the guys the Steelers look for. Besides, as Steeler fans we always see this. How many times have we seen the fad of teams trying to run the 3-4, only to eventually change back to the traditional 4-3, or a hybrid. I truly believe (in a 3-4) you need to spend a high pick on an outstanding NT. Casey Hampton, Ngata from Baltimore… these players anchor the line and demand double coverage and there are so few of them. There are so many tweeners who might be OLBs or DEs in college, you might be able to find a gem in the later rounds.
I grew up watching Webster, then Dawson, and with Cowher taking an OL in the 1st round: Leon Searcy, Alan Faneca, Kendall Simmons (and the bust Jamain Stephens), we are spoiled with having OL that can dominate in the trenches. I want a huge, mauling OL that can run the ball on anybody at will. We can not get into the positions we were in the Super Bowl, and we can not rely on our defense to bail us out in the 4th because we can not run the clock out.
Just my opinion, but man, I found myself wishing the Steelers could run the ball for at least a 3 yard gain far too many times last year.
by imike29 on Apr 21, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's talking about 3-4 DE's
not a 3-4 OLB/DE built for rushing the passer.
in other words he’s talking an Aaron Smith type player and you’re getting confused with those LaMarr Woodley type players. big difference.
by tdp992 on Apr 21, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: he's talking about 3-4 DE's
That is exactly what I am talking about. Someone who can stuff the run and eat up blockers. You do not need to spend a high pick on a plugger who can engage an OL or two and tie them up for our LBs to take care of business. We need a guy with a high motor and the stamina to take a licking for 4 quarters.
by imike29 on Apr 21, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 yards? Man, I was shooting for one most of the time.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 22, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FS in round 1?
Hey Bad, I like your mock btw, but was wondering if the Steelers went Safety in the 1st round who would you add. Though I personally hope they don’t go that direction, in the back of my head I think they may if he is the BPA. Just like last year, I never thought they would draft a RB in the 1st round, but Mendy fell to them.
by SteelBuckeye on Apr 21, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
not sure if there’s really any first round talent at safety position to be capable of being a BPA this year. the only two that come to mind are sean smith from utah, who seems like kind of a reach but a couple of mocks have us taking him at #32. and secondly, which would never happen, is if malcolm jenkins somehow falls to us he could very well play the free safety spot in the nfl. can’t see the second scenario happening though.
by tdp992 on Apr 21, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Steelers went Safety in the 1st round...
They would probably go after Rashad Johnson, a safety from Alabama, but you may probably get him in the 2nd round instead. Ryan Clark is in his last year from contract
I heard him being interviewed on the Radio today, and he is a Steeler-type of player and person
by Steeler Y360 Nation on Apr 23, 2009 4:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-4 DE's That Can Rush The Passer Are Rare
The reason why I’m so high on Gilbert is because he’s going to offer the team something that it has rarely had under Dick Lebeau — a 3-4 DE that can get 10 sacks rushing the passer. He’s already 6’5, 288, with 37inch arms. I can see him easily adding another 12 to 15 lbs without losing that quickness and explosion. I don’t think pick no. 32 is too high for him because you are talking second round area that late anyway.
We know the Steelers have a history of getting good 3-4 DE players later in the draft, but the Steelers have a history of getting good running backs later too, but they went against that by taking Mendenhall this past year. I wouldn’t mind if that trend continued with Gilbert. I just can’t see him busting with John Mitchell as his coach and Smith and Kiesel to tutor him and Mike Tomlin there every day to challenge him. Don’t forget he’s on a D with Deebo, Woodley, Troy & Timmons as well. Just think, after Gilbert, you still got 8 picks to fix your offensive line.
That’s just my 2 cents. Thoughts?
by datruth4life on Apr 21, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like where your coming from datruth..
Not sure anyone is going to be able to get to the passer in a 3-4 and generate 10 sacks, especially in the Steelers system with so much pressure coming from the linebackers. They are asked to do so much more that I don’t know that it has been a matter of just lacking the physical skills, or if their assignments relagate them to not being able to rush the passer enough to get 10 sacks.
You have almost convinced me on Gilbert.
I personally would be happy if we walk away from this draft with frank summers and sammie lee hill.
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 21, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: 3-4 DE's That Can Rush The Passer Are Rare
Whatever happens, datruth, will happen. I just am not high on Gilbert….. feel about him like I did about Alonzo Jackson a few years ago.
I do love this time of year…… especially after a Lombardi Trophy! Here is hoping the Steelers pick the right guys to keep this going!
GO STEELERS!
by imike29 on Apr 21, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the main point of contention is:
The O-line needs fixing.
The D-line needs fixing.
I, for one, have a lot more faith in the steelers ability to fix the O-line with higher draft picks. I believe the steelers can fix the D-line with lower draft picks. If they draft D-line high and get O-line later in the draft, I could very well see us drafting a bunch of O-line again next year. If the steelers take two D-lines in this draft, wherever they take them, at least one of them will be a starter. The same cannot be said for the offense.
And lets face it. It would be great if our defense were more inhuman than they were now and Lebeau got a new toy, but our defense is good enough. Sure I’d love to see 16 shutouts, but I’d much rather our offense be able to put up a reliable two touchdowns a game.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 22, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gilbert
I’m not going to lie, I didn’t really like this guy at all. Then I saw some more game film, read a little more about him and I like him a lot more than I did before. I’m just not sold on him as a true first round pick at DE in our system. Even at 32, which is the same as a round two in my book, I’m not sold. He’s definately a great athlete with the speed to get in the backfield, but we don’t see him as a 3-4 end. His size fits, but not his play. He’s not strong enough at the point of attack, he’s not a physical player at all from what I’ve seen, and have heard many people say he’s not a good worker. None of that says 3-4 end. And I don’t see any way he gets ten sacks as a 3-4 end ever, and I rarely say ever. It’s not a system condusive to a rush end. Gilbert could be molded into a 3-4 end, but I think the transition to end would be smoother for a player like Moala, his skill set is perfect for a 3-4 end, but his upside is more limied than Gilbert. I see Gilbert as a second DT on a team with a run stuffer already there. Buffalo, Jacksonville, even Washington are great fits for Gilbert, places he can provide some rush from the inside of a 4-3. At end in a 3-4 I want a guy to eat up to blockers every play, I don’t see it with Gilbert. I do with Moala.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 22, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
combine product
Before the Jumping out of a pool video, combine and pro-day stuff Gilbert was like a 4th – 5th rounder. No way he deserves to be going in round 2 let alone round 1.
If he gets drafted in the first round the NFL should add the “pool jump” to the combine.
by Steely McSmash on Apr 22, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please dont take Gronkowski
Last thing I need is to see one of my Terps go to the Steelers
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Apr 21, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Staat vs Faneca
The last time the Steelers were looking at OL vs DL in the first round they chose a safer pick, Faneca over Jeramy Staat. Has anyone heard of Jeramy Staat lately? Any of the top centers would be a safe pick. Jarron Gilbert has been described as boom or bust. You don’t stay on top in this league by taking chances in the 1st round over safe picks.
Dennis
by belvalle55 on Apr 21, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really leaning either way but
here is some info so you’re not just going on an isolated draft. I have put together all 1st round OL and DL picks from the last 8 years that have made the pro bowl.
2000 1 DL 1 OL
2001 3 DL 2 DL
2002 4 DL 0 OL
2003 2 DL 1 OL
2004 3 DL 1 OL
2005 0 DL 2 OL
2006 1 DL 2 OL
2007 0 DL 1 OL
2008 0 DL 1 OL
Total 14 DL 11 OL
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Apr 22, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im just going to throw it out there, but I love the Vontae Davis pick.
Overall, I like where his mind is at. His or my draft and I would be happy. Although I think Lydon Murtha is a probowl left tackle and every draft should have him.
by gimpsta7 on Apr 22, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah buddy
thanks for this. No offense to the rest of the mocks, but I enjoy BM’s the most. I very much think the Steelers will go with a pick like Davis in the first, contrary to most people’s logical o-line or even d-line pick. Hood would be interesting, depending on when he goes, but I would not be surprised with Moala in the 2nd and a high talent guy like Davis in the first should he be there.
Interesting to hear about Miller as potential Big Snack replacement. I would also like some more definitive decisions on the o-line regarding scheme and personnel fitting together better.
It was worth the wait.
by tkired on Apr 22, 2009 1:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Will someone explain why we need a 1st round CB? So he can be a dime back?
by archon095 on Apr 22, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the idea is that he would be able to fight with both Townsend and Gay for a spot. He probably won’t win it the first year despite his talent because the D is complicated, but a good enough first round talent should be able to push an aging townsend and a not completely proven Gay. Either deshea or Gay could be a huge liability this year and without top-notch talent to back them up the steelers are left with a vulnerable backfield. As it is fernando bryant is the #4, and he made a living last year getting beat by #4 receivers, he’s just too old. Now, what do you do this year when one of our starting CBs gets injured. You play Gay as the #1, Townsend as #2, Bryant as #3, and Scrub as #4? Good luck with that.
If gay/ike/townsend prove to be too tough a nut to crack and injuries aren’t a problem, a guy that can hit like davis may be able to give us extra insurance next year with Clark going into FA.
Now, do we need a first round talent? I’m not sold on it, I’d rather be addressing the OL early. But the steelers do need another CB this year, and if Taylor goes down steeler nation will likely be crying if a guy like Davis isn’t around to step into a role.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 22, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm, I think I just realized that Ike Taylor is, right now, the 2nd most important guy on our team. Who else would it be? The D-line isn’t nearly as good without A. Smith, the O-line would be worse without Hartwig, our rush suffers without James, and our defense isn’t the same without troy.
But without Ike? Our coverage would just fall apart. Gay, Townsend, Fernando Bryant?
A. Smith wouldn’t matter because teams wouldn’t need to run. Troy can’t cover everyone. Our pass rush wouldn’t matter.
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by steelguy99 on Apr 22, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corners
I think you’re selling our backfield a little short, there.
Gay took as many snaps as McFadden and there was little to no drop-off in coverage while McFadden was out. Townsend is certainly older and slower, but he’s reputed to be the smartest corner on the field. Troy can’t cover everyone, but he can shut down the crease or the flat. QBs don’t like to throw anywhere near him. These guys held up very well when asked to cover the Cardinal’s trio of good-great receivers. In fact, it was Taylor who allowed two TD receptions.
Then we’ve got our line-backers. Personally, I think Timmons is better in coverage than Foote. He’s got good lateral speed. He gives us options for disguising plays. We can move the coverage around with him on the field.
Obviously, losing Taylor would be seriously bad news, but there are teams out there that start with half the talent we have in our backfield. A perfect defense is a blessing, not a requirement.
by Varmint on Apr 22, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought gay did very well, but I would still be extremely concerned with him as #1. Likewise, deshea will be another year older and having him at #2, even with his 1600 SAT score, would likely to get us hosed. At #3 we’d have fernando bryant.
As far as I’m concerned, that takes us from having a good group of corners to a backfield that is a very huge liability.
Of course, last year I would have said the same thing. Can’t trust McFadden to be #1, deshea is too old to be #2, and who the hell is going to be #3, that Gay guy? Maybe madison steps up this year, I don’t know, but while there are some teams that have less talent than the steelers would, not many would have less than Gay/Townsend/Bryant/Madison, and if they do, they aren’t winning many games.
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by steelguy99 on Apr 22, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, most teams aren’t looking so hot when their #1 CB goes down, so this isn’t steeler-specific. Backfield is just too tricky nowadays with teams lining up 3+ receivers.
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by steelguy99 on Apr 22, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose it’s a matter of degree. You seem to view them as going from good to mediocre. I see them dropping from very good to just plain good. Given that our O-line starts out at mediocre or poor before we injure anyone, I think we can agree that CB is not a top priority as far as ‘need’ is concerned.
If we’re drafting a CB this year, I think we’re looking for a new #3, not a potential #2. Yeah, I’m probably too high on Gay given his modest experience, but I haven’t heard anything bad about him and I haven’t seen anything I’d call lacking. So, I’m okay if we wait until the 3rd round for a CB.
by Varmint on Apr 22, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve said all along I’m not a big fan of drafting CB in the first round. I’m with you, just pointing out the need for depth in the CB position.
It is much easier to cover for one bad O-line member when the other four are good than to cover for a failed link in the secondary. The problem is all five of the guys on the O-line need some help.
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by steelguy99 on Apr 22, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your last paragraph is exactly what i think. The steelers need another corner but i cant see why it has to be a first rounder.
by archon095 on Apr 22, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C/G Eric Wood likely pick at no. 32; Jim Wexell talks Steelers DE prospects
I have the feeling that Eric Wood will be the pick for the Steelers at no. 32. If that happens, I’m okay with that. I believe they will have to trade up to get Jarron Gilbert or Moala from USC in the second. They could stay put and take NT Ron Brace at the end of the 2nd round, but that would be a reach.
A player that I like more and more is WR Mike Wallace. He is extremely explosive, has good size and will only get better. He’s a game-breaker. A sleeper as a WR that the Steelers would consider is J. Iglesias from the Sooners. Everytime I watched him play this past year, I said there goes Hines Ward Jr.
This is what Jim Wexell had to say about the DL prospects on the Steelers’ first-day board:
Here’s the breakdown of the seven college prospects on the Steelers’ first-day board:
- B.J. Raji – The Steelers believe any of the nose tackles, such as the 336-pound Raji, could train as defensive ends as management considers the final year of Casey Hampton’s contract. But Raji, drug rumors and all, will be long gone.
- Tyson Jackson – He’s a true 3-4 end who, in a normal year, might slide to the bottom of the round because of his average workout numbers and lack of the speed rush required of 4-3 ends. But with so many new 3-4 teams, Jackson will also be long gone.
- Peria Jerry – Classic 4-3 playmaking tackle who’ll also be gone and thereby won’t tempt the Steelers to make a schematic reach.
- Evander "Ziggy" Hood – Another 4-3 tackle who thrived off of shooting gaps last season, but in the process had trouble against the run. The Steelers like him, and he has athleticism (4.88 40) to give them an inside guy on pass downs and the size (6-3, 300) to learn to play the run. If the Colts don’t take Hood, he could intrigue the Steelers in the first round.
- Ron Brace – Raji’s 330-pound sidekick at Boston College is a second-rounder who also projects to nose tackle, but would initially learn defensive end, again, as the Steelers gauge Hampton and Hoke this year.
- Fili Moala – Some draft analysts feel this USC tackle should be the Steelers’ first-round pick, but a source with the team believes the 6-4, 305-pound 24-year-old is too inconsistent to be drafted that high.
- Jarron Gilbert – This 6-5¼, 288-pound defensive tackle from San Jose State has the perfect size to become a 3-4 end, and he has the speed and athleticism as well. One key source loves Gilbert’s ceiling, but also worries about his passion for the game and his strength at the point of attack. Gilbert’s a boom-or-bust prospect who’d be an ideal second-round pick.
Of the group, Moala and Gilbert are the most likely to land with the Steelers. But the team would have to either trade down in the first round or up in the second to get the proper bang for its buck.
Thoughts?
by datruth4life on Apr 22, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Drafting WRs in the first round is a huge risk. They go bust way too often.
by PaulMorel on Apr 22, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boom or Bust......
Seems if they are going to get someone to learn DE while they gauge Hampton and Hoke, they should go after Sammie Lee Hill later in the draft. He is another boom or bust guy, but using a 4th or 5th round pick on someone like that is better than using a first day pick.
If there was a sure fire DL than fine, but reaching is something we should not do. We reached for Huey Richardson, we reached for Alonzo Jackson, we need to forget about the reaching for defensive players and concentrate on the OL. Mack has been called the best C coming out of college in years! Max Unger can play every position on the line….. these are the values you look for at the end of the first round, not boom or bust players!
Further, last I checked Pittsburgh is into character guys, those that love the game and play hard every down. How does Davis, Harvin or Gilbert fit those criteria?
For me it is Mack, no questions asked. If he is not there, than Wood or Unger (whom I would prefer or Wood).
by imike29 on Apr 22, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
E. Wood over A. Mack?
imike29, I hear you. I do get the feeling that the Steelers would take Eric Wood over A. Mack because he’s more physical, better suited to play some G, and plays nastier.
It’s fun to speculate at draft time, but the Steelers know what they are doing. Besides drafting a WR and CB, I wouldn’t be upset if the rest of the 7 picks were OL and DL. The Steelers have to get it right at those 2 positions this year.
Thoughts?
by datruth4life on Apr 22, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mack and Unger over Wood
I think Mack is the answer long term at C. Hartwig allowed the most sacks of any C last year, and with Ngata in our division we have to get better in the interior.
I would take Unger over Wood because Unger can play all the OL positions. He has played LT!
If they do draft one of these guys in the 1st, I doubt they will play G. I would not mind drafting Fenuki Tupou in the 2nd round, putting him at RT, sliding Colon to G (bye Stapleton) and inserting Mack (or whomever).
To me it has to be Mack. Tomlin likes character guys, everything I have read, all the Cal games I have watched, all the draft gurus I have listen to all say the same thing…… you plug this guy in at C and he anchors your line for the next decade…… sounds great to me!
by imike29 on Apr 22, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every center in this draft gets handled by bigger NTs. Many won’t be able to hold the point of attack out of college. That said:
The terms “hard worker”, “physical”, “tough”, “high motor” are generally applied to Mack, Unger, Wood, Shipley, Luigs,
Mack, Shipley, and Luigs are noted for being nasty.
This is the steelers draft for centers.
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by steelguy99 on Apr 22, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shipley is 5'11''
I worry that he will never be a great starter, especially in our division.
by BallsofSteel on Apr 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s 6’1". I could care less about his height, being low gives him good leverage and gives ben a better view over the center. He has short arms and small hands, which is more the issue. As much as I make fun of midgets playing CB, I am perfectly willing to overlook lousy physical attributes if everything else is right. And if you listen to what Tomlin has said recently, he sure as hell is too.
He’s known as tough, physical, aggressive, very nasty, damn strong, smart, agile, non-stop motor, works hard, team leader. There isn’t a single intangible he does not possess. Will he succeed at the next level? That I don’t know, but I’ll bet the steelers have a good idea, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Tomlin is seduced.
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by steelguy99 on Apr 22, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09078/956765-143.stm
A little reading. Shipley can ball.
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by steelguy99 on Apr 22, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to find the article where I read he was 5'11''
Hoping I’m not just mental.
by BallsofSteel on Apr 22, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably written by someone in the steelers staff to throw others off his scent.
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by steelguy99 on Apr 23, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cut Larry Foote & Trade for R. Parrish?
Guys, the Steelers are up against the cap, but could free up $2.9M by releasing LB Larry Foote. I’d like to keep him, but if the Bills would give you Roscoe Parrish for a 4th or a 5th round pick and you needed to clear salary to make it happen, would you do this? And yes, the Steelers might be able to trade for Parrish and keep Foote as well.
One good thing is that the Steelers would have Parrish under contract for 3 more years (2009-11) at about a $1M base salary for each year (with a $500,000 roster bonus each year). See Len Pasquarila’s take from ESPN below:
Roscoe Parrish, WR/KR/PR – Bills officials and Parrish’s agent began advertising a few weeks ago that the four-year veteran is available. Parrish, 26, has been all but buried on the Bills’ wide receiver depth chart, but the second-round pick in 2005 has speed and quickness as a receiver, and elusiveness as a kick returner. He has 97 receptions for 1,052 yards and five touchdowns, but 35 of those catches came two years ago. Formerly of the University of Miami, he has averaged 23.7 yards on 18 kickoff returns and an impressive 14.0 yards on 94 punt returns. As a punt returner, he averaged 13.3 yards or more in three of his four seasons, and has one return for a touchdown in each of the past three years. Some unsubstantiated rumors have linked him to the Pittsburgh Steelers. His contract might be palatable enough, with base salaries of $1 million (2009), $1.025 million (2010) and $1.025 million (2011), with $500,000 roster bonuses due each year.
Would you guys do this?
by datruth4life on Apr 22, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A 3 way trade would make more sense
Give someone who needs a MILB Foote, trade the pick to Buffalo, nab Parrish. Even then I don’t really like it. Just cutting Foote sounds crazy to me though.
by BallsofSteel on Apr 22, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just cutting Foote sounds crazy to me though.
Who likes the idea of cutting their Foote off? It has an ugly ring to it.
by Varmint on Apr 23, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does Buffalo need a LB?
How about trading Foote for Parrish? Swap picks with the Bills in the 4th and give them a 7th. Frees up cap space for us, gets Timmons in the lineup now, and gets us an earlier selection in the 4th round. (To use on Frantz Joseph)
I would trade him before I cut him…… We don’t play Buffalo this year, I doubt we would have resigned him next year…..
by imike29 on Apr 22, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Everyone
Sorry, I’ve been away for most of the last past couple days. Glad to see I generated some discussion.
As far as the Davis pick goes, regardless of the need at OL, Davis is probably a better prospect than any of the centers, and my draft philosophy is “best player available at a position you can use”. How many people thought we’d draft a RB last year? The fact is we need some depth in the secondary, so why not get a great value and have three above average CB’s with Deshea providing depth at CB and safety? As it is, let’s say Gay doesn’t play quite as well as a starter, and Taylor misses 5 games with a sprained ankle. Now we have a big problem with very little depth.
Would I rather have Micheal Oher fall to us? Sure, but I think Davis is much more likely to be available, and I think we would pick him if he was. As I said, I’m trying to guess which good value we’re going to get, so it’s a little tricky. There will be a good value available somewhere, though.
One more note about DL’s: Sure, we found Smith, Hoke, and Keisel late in the draft, but we also found Shaun Nua, Orien Harris, Ryan McBean, Eric Taylor, etc late in the draft, and we haven’t found anyone who’s stuck since 2002. If we could draft Aaron Smith in the 4th round every year, we’d have 7 Aaron Smith’s on our roster. The strategy hasn’t worked recently, so maybe it’s time to rethink it. Maybe football has changed in the past 7-10 years, or maybe we just got lucky.
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by BadMaafala on Apr 24, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What ever happened to McBean?
I thought he was fairly highly regarded. I must have missed something, or maybe I was originally misinformed about his upside. Just curious.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 24, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s with the Broncos right now. If we wanted to hold onto him for a while longer, we could have kept him on our PS last year, but I don’t think we did. Judging by the fact that the Broncos are interested in him doesn’t look good for his prospects.
He’s actually what concerns me about Gilbert: very good athlete who just isn’t strong enough to play DE for us.
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by BadMaafala on Apr 24, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see, I see...
Thank you sir. My concerns about Gilbert aswell. He’s best suited for a rush DT on a team with a real run stuffer already. Buffalo, Jacksonville, even Minnesota to spell the Williams’, also a few others I guess.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 24, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, talking about Gilbert in my DL preview, I said something to the effect of “his upside is a much better version of Keisel” – meaning he’d be a hell of a pass rusher from the DL spot, but you’re looking for a guy you can build your defense around in the first round. I don’t think the Steelers can build their DL around Gilbert, especially considering pass rush isn’t exactly going to be a need while we still have Wood and Harry.
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by BadMaafala on Apr 24, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could also fit in as a 4-3 strong side DE like Julius Peppers, although he’ll probably never be as good of a pass rusher.
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by BadMaafala on Apr 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really feeling this one
Personally I just dont see CB in the first round. Its not a glaring enough weakness for us. I know we like to do the BPA thing as often as possible but in this case, we have bigger issues.
The O line really should be the first pick and if it is not, then D line is a close second.
Now if a really amazing CB falls, and all the other good O-line guys are gone I could see it then.
But yeah until then I have to humbly disagree with the CB in the first
by Mechem on Apr 24, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Mayock called Davis the most talented CB in the draft, so I’d argue that if he fell to us, your condition would be met. He has some flags, but as I said elsewhere, the Steelers thought enough of him to bring him in for a visit, so they must be seriously considering him despite the issues. My draft assumes the following: Britton, Jackson, and Hood are gone, as well as the top tackles. That leaves us with the choice of Beatty, Robinson, and the centers on the OL, none of which are nearly as talented as Davis – besides the real value at IOL is in later rounds or in the mid second. We could also draft Gilbert on the DL, but he’s a much much bigger risk than Davis. I’d also pick Davis above any of the LB’s and probably the receivers, although I do like Nicks.
Anyway, there’s a very good chance that the board will fall some other way, but I’m looking for someone to fall, and Davis has as good a chance as anyone. Maybe I’ll have Eugene Monroe fall on my next draft.
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by BadMaafala on Apr 24, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got Wallace
I’m impressed. I’m not being sarcastic either.
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by PixburghArn on Apr 27, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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