Pittsburgh Steelers 2009 NFL Draft Grades
I'd like to devote some attention to each one of the draft picks singularly today and throughout the rest of this week, but for now, let's take a look at the draft class a whole. As we get to know a little bit more about each of the Steelers nine draft selections this past weekend in the 2009 NFL Draft, perhaps we'll be more equipped to delve into what each one brings to the table in a bit more detail Here they are, once more.
| Round | Player | Position | College | Height | Weight |
| 1 (32) | Evander "Ziggy" Hood | DE/DT | Missouri | 6'3 | 300 |
| 3 (79) | Kraig Urbik | OG | Wisconsin | 6'5 | 328 |
| 3 (84) | Mike Wallace | WR | Mississippi | 6'0 | 199 |
| 3 (96) | Keenen Lewis | CB | Oregon State | 6'0 | 208 |
| 5 (168) | Joe Burnett | CB | Central Florida | 5'9 | 192 |
| 5 (169) | Frank Summers | RB/FB | UNLV | 5'9 | 241 |
| 6 (205) | Ra'Shon Harris | DE | Oregon | 6'4 | 298 |
| 7 (226) | A.Q. Shipley | C | Penn State | 6'1 | 304 |
| 7 (241) | David Johnson | TE | Arkansas State | 6'2 | 260 |
For now, here's my initial take and reaction to the selections and what they might mean for the roster and practice squad. For the hell of it, I'll hand out a grade for each selection:
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Evander "Ziggy" Hood - Durable (28 straight games his junior and senior year), coachable, vocal team leader, plays to the whistle, and has one extra gear in pursuit. More on Hood later, but my initial impression is Hood will be a nice combination of Aaron Smith and Brett Keisel's best attributes. I'm not putting him there yet, don't get me wrong, but I think he has potential to be similarly strong and stout at the point of attack as Smith while as energetic and speedy as Keisel. Finally, there's next to no bust potential at all with this selection. The front 3 in Dick LeBeau's defense is not asked to get the glory. Just to put their head down and work. It helps if you're strong and fast off the ball and are durable as hell - because there's lots of contact and gap clogging involved. I think Hood has all those attributes in spades. More on him later, but Coach John Mitchell knows a thing or two about his job. He'll get the most out of Hood and Hood will put in the time. I really like this value and the need addressed here for 2010 and beyond in particular. It really didn't take me long at all to warm up to this pick quite a bit. GRADE: A
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Kraig Urbik - Urbik's a damn big kid at 6'5" tall and 320+ pounds. You'll hear the word 'positional flexibility' with him. That's because he started many games at both G and T for the Wisconsin Badgers. Like Hood, Urbik has proven himself to be very, very durable and reliable. He started 45 straight games for Wisconsin in fact before a knee injury caused him to sit out a few. No, no. Don't worry. It wasn't a serious knee injury. Urbik returned later in 2008 to help lead his Badgers to a 3-1 close to his senior season. We'll see what shakes out in Latrobe and during the preseason when Urbik, Stapleton, and Chris Kemoeatu battle it out for just two starting spots. GRADE: A-
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Mike Wallace - A speed freak! Mike Maycock clocked him at 4.28 in the 40, then later claimed him to be the fastest WR he had ever clocked. Too early to say if he'll be able to translate that ridiculous raw talent into anything that resembles productivity on the football field. As a WR, I mean. Starting on September 10th 2009 at Heinz Field, against the hated Tennessee Titans on prime time television, Mike Wallace will be back on his own goal line, hopping around, awaiting the opening kick off of the 2009 NFL season. Consider our return game improved ten fold if Wallace can prove capable of not coughing it up and not getting injured after getting walloped a few times by NFL caliber special teams aces. GRADE: A-
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Keenen Lewis - Intelligent on and off the field, a bit undisciplined though at this point in certain situations. He's big though, probably one of the bigger CBs in the entire draft. There are folks who think Lewis is a poor tackler and not eager to seek out contact. I'd say hold the phone on that assessment just yet. First of all, the Pac 10 is not exactly known for its lockdown defenses. It's a pass-happy conference with often times lesser athletes up front. That gives QBs more time to throw the ball, which compromises even the best DBs in the game. Anyway, Lewis has something the Steelers covet. And it's more than just the ability to make good grades in the classroom. He can get his feet wet on special teams learning about what contact means at this level. Then I'd imagine he'll get a chance to work with a guy like Ike Taylor, who's famous for his offseason workout routines. All in all, we're not talking about an undersized CB who may just be overmatched physically at the NFL level. We're talking about a guy who ran a 4.49, posted a vertical leap of 38.5 inches, and threw up 220 pounds a very respectable 20 times. He's got lots of those measurables that scouts love - and he's smart. Sounds like decent enough ingredients to me. It won't happen overnight, but we could be looking down the road at a similar type trajectory career wise as Ike Taylor, and perhaps even better. GRADE: B
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Joe Burnett - An interesting contrast to Butler a pick before him. Burnett stands at just 5'9" and 180+ pounds. But man does he have a nose for the football. 16 career INTs, 35 pass breakups. He's also a very accomplished return man, taking it to the house three times on punts and twice on kickoffs. Burnett must be a little bit like William Gay. Smart, instinctual and a great competitor to help make up for his less than pristine 'numbers'. GRADE: B
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Frank Summers - Did you watch that NFL.com video I linked to with head coach Mike Tomlin? You need to, and pay close attention to the segment devoted to Frank 'The Tank' Summers. A guy who can play five units on special teams says Coach Tomlin. He's scary fast for a dude that big and stocky. He's going to just wreck some people on coverage units, as well as be a formidable blocker on return units. That's just on special teams. Who knows considering Bruce Arians is calling the plays, but Frank Summers could very well be an offensive weapon for the Steelers. Blocking, running, and catching the ball. He has naturally smooth and reliable hands catching the ball, he might improve our short yardage running situation, or serve as a LeRon McClain type change of pace bruiser in certain drives/situations this year. I'm ecstatic, and I know lots of y'all are too. We've been hoping for this pick - in this exact round - for quite a while now. GRADE: A+
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Ra'Shon Harris - If there's an area on the team where a specific coach has a just remarkable track record building up unpolished late round talent it's John Mitchell working with his defensive lines. Has he batted 1.000. No he has not. Ryan McBean comes to mind most recently as a project that couldn't get over the hump so to speak. But then there's guys like Kiesel, Aaron Smith drafted in later rounds. Or guys like Nick Eason who's gotten substantially better since playing feebly in the early part of his career. We'll see with Harris, but to me, this could be a classic case of late bloomer going unnoticed compared to his more physically mature peers. Just remember, not all 18-21 year olds are at the exact same point in their physical development process. Not even close in fact. Look for Harris to be a practice squad player this year. More on him later. GRADE: B
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A.Q. Shipley - Can't say I'm too big a fan of Big 10 football so I can't comment on whether or not Shipley is so adored for his local product status, his ability on the field, or some combination of the two. Probably headed for the practice squad as well, but there's an interesting discussion to be had about the future of our offensive line - especially for those who have an opinion one way or another as to whether or not Shipley legitimately could be a better than average starting center for team that should have good opportunities for deep playoff runs most years for the next half decade. GRADE: B
- David Johnson - Was anybody overwhelmed by Sean McHugh last year? Anybody out there? Not to bang on Sean, but let's face it, there seems to be a spot for a guy like McHugh or David Johnson. If he's more capable of filling at H-Back/3rd TE niche than McHugh, particularly in regards to blocking ability, than maybe he finds himself on this roster and not the practice squad this year. Johnson's actually a fairly gifted athlete. He's fas enough, he has big long arms and reliable hands, he runs good routes up the seam which is something that can't really be said for Matt Spaeth, he's fairly strong for now. I like this pick actually because it comes at a position where it's not just guaranteed to be a long term project, practice squad pick that disappears to obscurity, etc. Far too early to tell, but there's just no reason why he can't win that single roster spot that is available for a third TE/H-Back type player. We'll see, but I suppose the short term development and promise (if there is any) of this unknown 7th round selection could help determine the future of not just Sean McHugh...not just Matt Spaeth...but perhaps even Heath Miller and his soon to be high priced services. That's many big ifs, but I like to have 7th round selections occasionally have the potential to impact the roster. I think this one has a chance, albeit still a small one. GRADE: B+
OVERALL: It's hard to just slap grades on individual picks for a myriad reasons. It's probably more constructive to try to come up with some sort of 'odds' that certain picks will pan out based on team needs, roster and contract forecasting, etc. But anyway, the bottom line to me is this draft contained three slam dunk picks for long-term solid, Pittsburgh Steelers quality, consistent football - Evander Ziggy Hood, Kraig Urbik, and Frank The Tank Summers. Those guys may never be household names and stars, either because of the position they play, or how they're used in our systems on offense and defense, or simply because they're just going to be very good, and not game changing type super stars. That's fine. That's what Ben Roethlisberger, Troy Polamalu, Jamess Harrison, LaMarr Woodley are for. Behind them need to be very, very sound and durable and reliable performers. I see all three of them as 100% safe bets to be just that barring no injurys of course.
As for the two DBs, it's just always a gamble projecting who's going to make it and who's not. Our same scouting team we revere identified Ricardo Colclough as a 2nd round guy not too long ago. They also found William Gay, Ike Taylor, DeShea Townsend, and others. So the track records there in plenty of instances, but not across the baord. It's just such an amazingly difficult position to play. Lots can do it decently. Not as many really stick as long term consistent performers. I do think though that the upgrade in the return department could be tremendous. It's really hard to quantify just how substantially it would improve our entire team - on offense and defense included - if we were a top 5 team returning punts and kicks. Wallace and Burnett give us that possibility perhaps. Let's hope they like the bright lights and don't give the coaching staff any reason to not trust them to protect the football.
Then there's Ra'Shon Harris and Shipley as what I might categorize as very realistic projects. I have a few more things to say about them, but will save that for individual posts on them. When you add it all up though, you have to like what you see. One might be disappointed that a tackle wasn't taken. It's a legitimate gripe that I'm sure will be discussed by us. Overall though, I give this draft a very high grade. An A- if we're going to stick with those grades.
Wow, I am really loving this organization and its future right now. From the Rooneys retaining ownership to Mike Tomlin to our anonymous but tirelessly hard-working scouting team, to Kevin Colbert (who apparently does a remarkable job working within a team framework with his scouts and other personnel executives rather than being heavy handed in any situation or decision at all), to the countless other players who are either really talented, really good team players or both - you just have to love where the Pittsburgh Steelers stand at the moment, and where they're headed in the future.
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Great read
I’m looking for great things out of Urbik and Frank the Tank.
"Damnit mom! You almost ran over Greg Lloyd!"
at an autograph signing back in 95. He walked out in front of our minivan, and my mom almost hit him. He apologized.
by PA ARMY OFFICER on Apr 27, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blitz, like your thinking
B, I pretty much agree with your post. This was a great need draft for the Steelers. They didn’t spend a lot of picks on players that have no shot of making this team. One thing that has been overlooked is how the team has rebuilt its linebacking corps over the past two years as well as its secondary. Players like LBs Patrick Bailey, Keyaron Fox, Donovan Woods and Ss Roy Lewis and Patrick Mundy offer good depth and special teams potential for next to nothing in cost. Bruce Davis, R. Mendenhall and Limas Sweed are in the prove it stage this year. The Steelers have a lot of young players whose arrow is pointing up and that doesn’t include this draft.
As far as the draft, I’m quite impressed. I didn’t like when they traded the second round pick, but Tomlin said they couldn’t pass on the chance to get 4 of the top 96 players in this draft. I absolutely love Wallace and the Tank because they both offer different dimensions to our offense. I haven’t seen K. Lewis play, but I can’t remember the last time the Steelers had a 6’1, 208 lbs. corner with 4.49 speed and 33-inch arms (the second longest at the combine next to Sean Smith from Utah). If Joe Burnett can really play special teams well as a gunner and overall tackler, he might be able to knock off Anthony Madison for a CB spot (who is a good special team player but will never be a player in this team’s base defense). Our secondary corps is loaded as well as our LB corps.
I think Tomlin will have this team ready when it counts. Again, great write-up.
by datruth4life on Apr 27, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
btw datruth
just re-read your feb 14th post – your first this offseason about the draft.
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2009/2/14/759546/reaching-seventh-heaven-a
You had Urbik identified spot on. Ra’Shon Harris in your top 4 as a 3-4 player – not bad for a 6th round pick. Great stuff. Ziggy Hood wasnt on your lists though. Curious if it was just an oversight or someone you didnt think as highly of.
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Apr 27, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You gave your draft an A+++++++++++
Love the optimism, but considering you guys didn’t sign any free agents (besides ratliff???) you really think you have room for all your picks? I see maybe 5 at most making your 53 man squad.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Apr 27, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
five sounds about right on the high end
And that’s pretty damn good for a Super Bowl champion team with so many proven steady players on the roster as well as young guys who might come into their own in years 2 or 3.
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Apr 27, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played sir
Ravens fan: You guys are so optimistic.
Steelers fan: Winning the super bowl twice in four years does that for you.
by SteelerBuddha on Apr 27, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good analogy
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Apr 27, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, not all of them will make it… But some that don’t will be solid on the practice squad. Others will wash out all together. Product of having the best team in football last year and keeping most of it together.
by Chicago Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
first of all, it appears to me that he gave the draft an A-. Second, how would not signing free agents adversely affect draft picks making the roster; they fact that they didn’t bring in (m)any free-agents seems like it would only increase the likelihood more picks earning spots, so a fail to see your rational. Finally, 5 guys sounds about right making the active roster, with a couple of guys making practice squad. That all adds up to successful draft in my books.
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not signing any free agents means that you do not neccessarily have room for rookies.
I wasnt knocking on you guys at all, if you took it that way. Relax
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Apr 27, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
again, I still don’t follow your logic; if you sign free agents (and expect them to make the roster) then there is less room on the roster for rookies. and no, I didn’t take offense; no worries
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was saying that
It has not seemed the the Steelers have let go of many people. Their roster seems pretty set at this point, which may be a reason for not bringing in any of the key free agents that were out there.
You have to hate losing more than you love winning.
by Mr MaLoR on Apr 27, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now I got ya. that does make sense, after all! my bad.
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff blitz
Loved the write up. Very thorough and insightful. When do you sleep?
Couldn’t agree more about Frank the Tank (I will never be able to mention him without thinking of Will Ferrell’s streaking scene in Old School).
Watching him kick a ball 70 yards and then dash 50 yards downfield and make a bone crushing tackle made me wonder if Skippy might lose his job on kick-offs ( :
by SteelerBuddha on Apr 27, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
tomlin did say he plays 5 ways on Special Teams
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Actually a pretty nice little Saturday."
“We’re going to go to Home Depot. Yeah, buy some wallpaper, maybe get some flooring, stuff like that. Maybe Bed, Bath, & Beyond, I don’t know, I don’t know if we’ll have enough time. "
by JHolmes on Apr 27, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
once it hits your lips it's so good
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The trust tree:
Frank, this is a safe place. A place where we can feel free sharing our feelings. Think of my office as a nest in a tree of trust and understanding. We can say anything here.
Frank: Anything? Well, uh I guess I, deep down, am feeling a little confused. I mean, suddenly, you get married, and you’re supposed to be this entirely different guy. I don’t feel different. I mean, take yesterday for example. We were out at the Olive Garden for dinner, which was lovely. And uh, I happen to look over at a certain point during the meal and see a waitress taking an order, and I found myself wondering what color her underpants might be. Her panties. Uh, odds are they are probably basic white, cotton, underpants. But I sort of think well maybe they’re silk panties, maybe it’s a thong. Maybe it’s something really cool that I don’t even know about. You know, and uh, and I started feeling… what? what I thought we were in the trust tree in the nest, were we not?
by SteelerBuddha on Apr 27, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True love is hard to find, sometimes you think you have true love and then you catch the early flight home from San Diego and a couple of nude people jump out of your bathroom blindfolded like a goddamn magic show ready to double team your girlfriend…
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad the draft is over.
If I had to hear Trent Dilfer and the rest of the ESPN slapdicks slobbering all over Bill Belichick’s knob for one more second I was going to pitch a brick through my TV.
I think the Steelers had a solid, unremarkable draft. They filled every hole they have with the exception of OT. But, as a realist, I know you can’t expect miracles from one draft. I can see Ziggy, Urbik (I am going to go ahead and give him the nickname Meat, pending approval), and Tank scoring roster spots for sure, along with one of the CBs. I don’t think they scored exceptional value at any position though. I would have liked to see a trade in the second round for Britton or Unger, but I guess we didn’t feel that those guys were worth it. I’ll trust their assessment.
A grade? I’ll say solid B- or C+, being fully aware that draft grades are retarded.
by JHolmes on Apr 27, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
X factor
My assesment maybe titls on the optimistic side for sure, but I’ll clarify that I think Wallace needs to really come through as a play maker on offense in addition to being a nice return man for the draft to really be a big success.
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Apr 27, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot about him
Wallace should make it as a returner in year 1. I just hope he doesn’t end up being the second coming of Willie Reid.
by JHolmes on Apr 27, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sites like this make me care less and less about what the idiots on ESPN say and think everyday.
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might be in the minority here
But I think AQ will develop into a starting center…I don’t buy into the short arm stuff…How many times in the Steelers offense is the center asked to flat out bury a NT or a DT? Very rarely…the kid has quickness and a dogged determination, and he can be pesky as hell…Whether you are a fan of Big Ten football or not, anyone who has played football at a meaningful level (above PIAA action) in the trenches can appreciate what AQ has and brings to the table…give it a year and he will be making some noise…that was a great 7th round pick…
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on Apr 27, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't care about short arms
but the dude is small for a center. That does not bode well with the big NTs in the AFC North. That said, the Steelers desperately need depth on the interior line so I can’t argue with the pick, especially in the 7th.
by CarlWeathersMustache on Apr 27, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he does the nick name
Mighty Mouse would be fitting.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Apr 27, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small doesn’t mean anything. Strength, leverage, and effort mean an awful lot more, and Shipley has all of those in spades.
Is anyone going to confuse him with Mack? Doubtful, but he is going to be signing for next to nothing. As you say, no one can argue with this pick in the 7th. If it were the 5th, sure, but absolutely no one in the 7th is without serious flaws.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure meant something when that center was named Mahan, no?
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shipley is stronger than Mahan by quite a bit. Shipley weighs the same for a lower weight, he has a better build and a better center of gravity. He has far more explosion vertically and horizontally. Shipley is much smarter than Mahan. Numbers don’t mean much though.
Shipley was voted OL of the year and won the rimington award for a reason. Penn State did very well this year, and Shipley was a big part of that, and has been for years. What did Mahan ever do? Shipley could be a colossal failure in the NFL, but his play was a hell of a lot better in college than mahan’s ever was.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all good points – I hope more than anything that you are right – but I am just sayin’ Mahan was ripped for being too small.
I don’t watch PSU football and have no definitive judgment on Shipley’s skill set. I do love what I hear (from you and others), but I am cautious to get too excited by everybody else’s excitement. I just tend to think there is a propensity for Steeler fans to fall in love with Pitt, Penn State, WVU kids, (especially when they played in WPIAL). There is nothing wrong with liking what you see, but there is a danger in thinking that what you have seen is better than what you have not.
But again, I like what I hear from your analysis, and I am hoping for a long productive career for the kid.
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely not saying Shipley is the next Mike Webster, but I think even when you have two guys with a similar skillset, just because one failed doesn’t mean the other won’t succeed.
Just like someone commented on a fanpost with “This guy was 6’6” 330 lbs and didn’t get drafted", the appropriate response was BM’s “There are a lot of guys that are 6’6” 330 lbs that don’t get drafted". Being a good football player is all that matters, and no one can say that the steelers didn’t draft good football players. Good enough to start in the NFL? Get back to you in 2012.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, agreed. My favorite part of this draft is that we football players with varying degrees of athletic ability instead of athletes with varying degrees of football mentality. Not a workout warrior / combine specialist in the bunch!
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Size...
Says the guy who wouldn’t take Alphonso Smith because he was 5’9". Only hating.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 27, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah it's how you use him.
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Apr 27, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha, I do love making fun of size. If you’ll remember though I was hating on alphonsito in the 1st round. I would have been okay with him at 2.64 for sure.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blitz, you can be forgiven for tilting towards optimism...
…and why not? how many times did we hear yesterday that these are “steeler guys”… big on character and work ethic and small on ego and a need for the spotlight? draft good players and good people and then let our staff and our vets mold them into pittsburgh steelers. that’s a great formula and one we really adhered to over the weekend. not all of these guys will pan out ,but all things considered, this looks like a solid enough group to help us maintain the level of excellence we’ve come to expect from this franchise. that’s worth our optimism…
by cliff harris is still a punk! on Apr 27, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hood
I have a bad feeling about Hood. I want to like this pick but he basically disappeared his senior year. Maybe he was hiding an injury or something but I watched 4-5 Mizzou games and in just about every one of those the announcers were puzzled about why he had slipped so much. I don’t know if he is going to be a good fit. At least he has 2 years or so to develop.
Wallace feels like another fast but thats it WRs.
I really like the Burnett and Shipley picks. Burnett is an instant upgrade at returner.
by chanman on Apr 27, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blitz, considered Ziggy more as a 3-technique than 5
B, I always though Ziggy was more of a one-gap or 3-technique rather than a 5. But I think he’ll be able to play in our nickle and dime D from day one as an inside pass rusher. I think it’ll take him a couple of years to get the 2-gap down (as it does all of our lineman not named Big Snack) but he’ll be able to do it. I liked what Coach Mitchell said about Ziggy and Harris. He said people have mentioned that they sometimes play a little high, but he said that is what he gets paid for — to teach them technique. Coach Mitchell has me sold.
As far as roster spots, I could see the first 6 picks making the final roster, with the last 3 on the practice squad. And that’s with us not counting the one or two rookie free agent gems our scouts normally find us every year. There is going to be some great competition in our LB corps and secondary in training camp. The Steelers top 4 CBs have all started games in the NFL.
Tomlin sounded like he was excited about this draft yesterday and is ready to roll right now. You can tell he REALLY loves the Tank.
by datruth4life on Apr 27, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea
My sense is that Summers has the kind of personality that Tomlin covets in football players. Maybe even sees a little something in himself in Summers as a vocal leader and hard worker who will respect the opportunity and always bust his ass. And I think he’ll provide an edge to us on special teams, which might be nice if we phase out Deebo some.
Beginning to think you’re right about the secondary guys. What do you think happens to Ryan Clarke. Will we re-sign him? Or do we like what we have in Mundy and Lewis
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Apr 27, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a two gap
DE’s play mostly a one-gap responsibility. His problem will be maintaining his gap instead of merely shooting it. That’s why Mitchell said he’s light years away – he won’t be doing the patented Ziggy spin move again. Mitchell will tear him down and build him back up… but the good news is he seems to have the smarts, work ethic, drive, attitude and athleticism for that to be successful.
by syrsteelerfan on Apr 28, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How Lucky Are We That We Were Born Stillers Fans?
Blitz,
Excellent article. Also love the optimism. This is our best draft in years – addressed almost every position of need with very worthy picks. We may have actually addressed them all if Urbick can play ROT and Colon slides to RG.
Some observations about your comments, other posts here, and my thoughts on our draft:
Hood – There were three possibly NFL-ready 3-4 DEs (Jackson, Hood and Brace). We needed one and got one. The A grade is well deserved.
Urbick – We tried to trade up for Unger and Levitre but could not get it done. The trade to fall back and scoop up better picks was simply awesome given that Urbick was still available and who we got next. Agree with the grade.
Wallace – Heyward-Bey on a budget. (Don’t tell Al Davis.) Could be the best pick of our draft. Exactly what we needed in the WR3/WR4 hole and return game. I score this pick an A+ due to how we acquired the slot and who we turned it into.
Lewis – You said “Then I’d imagine he’ll get a chance to work with a guy like Ike Taylor, who’s famous for his offseason workout routines.” Lewis actually knows Ike and has already worked with him at Shaw’s camp in FLA. Lewis is exactly the kind of CB we need and worse case scenario, he ultimately replaces Clark (UFA next year) or Carter (possibly cut this year).
Burnett – He and Lewis are fighting with Ratliff and Bryant for one remaining open DB roster spot, two if we keep 10, two if Lewis can displace Carter. If Coach Mike drafts a DB, he must be good. I’ll never question Coach Mike on DBs.
Summers – Stiller Nation demanded we take this guy in this slot and the FO obliged. Stiller Nation deserves an A+ as well.
Harris – Unless we are willing to part with both Kirschke and Eason this season, Harris will NOT get a uni. I’m betting against it as I think this was our weakest pick. Disagree with you on the B grade here – C- at best in my book. Just a guy.
Shipley – You missed the boat here. Two Centers were taken in the 7th (AQ and the TCU guy) that have a REAL chance to START in the NFL. It’s RARE when that can be said about any 7th Round pick. Study the current roster – AQ WILL make the 53-man squad based strictly on the OL numbers game. Add in that he is an AWESOME football player that has defied the odds already and we may be looking at the second coming of Webbie. The symmetry of using the Sean Mahan pick for AQ is mind-numbing to me. This pick moved my overall grade of our draft from an A- to an A.
Johnson – I know nothing about him. Hard to imagine that McHugh’s 2-year deal will be shredded but I guess there’s a chance according to what everybody out there is saying about this guy’s game and fit for our scheme.
Again, if you study our current roster, you’ll find that
Hood, Urbick, Wallace, and Lewis or Burnett (pick one) are locks.
Summers and Shipley are virtual locks.
Loser of Lewis/Burnett battle may still make the 53.
Johnson could replace McHugh.
Harris will hopefully make the practice squad.
That’s quite a haul FROM a mediocre talent NFL draft class and FOR a team that had very few REAL holes to fill.
Again, thanks for your optimistic article and all that you do on BTSC. Your site wins my award as BEST STILLERS NATION SITE. Hands down.
Fats
by Fats Holmes on Apr 27, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks
ill respond to some other things but to be clear on my shipley assessment – i probably just picked a bad place there to make a casual joke – but really I know that others know his story better than me, his ability better than I do, etc etc. Maybe the grade should be higher because he can be legitimately thought of as a great prospect. I tried to make it clear that I thought there were some who thought that was the case, but I myself just don’t know. If that pick deserves a higher grade, I believe you and others. For sure. And I’m all the more excited!
As for Harris, I’m not alone in thinking he could be a MAJOR steal at this slot. I’ll be writing more about him down the road but I truly do believe there’s something to be said for not all 18-22 year old bodies being at the same place developmentally. I think he’s behind the curve but shouldn’t be counted out just yet by any means. That’s just a hunch really, but seen it before time and time again. I think he has the frame to be big but not fat given the right time in our conditioning programs. We’ll see.
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Apr 27, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harris
Agree with the assessment. Remember Travis Kirschke is 35 years old right now. Not saying Harris can come in and unseat him but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.
by SteelerBuddha on Apr 27, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really sure I agree w/ your assessment that “AQ WILL make the 53-man squad based strictly on the OL numbers game.” Starks, Kemo, Hartwig, Stapleton, Colon, Essex, Hills, and Urbick is 8 by my count – and that is about all one can afford to dress come game time – and that is not counting Capizzi, or Legursky, or Parquet (T, C, and G, respectively) who if nothing else have some experience on Shipley. That is not to say that Shipley won’t one day be a player, or even a good player, but it is far from certain that he will be given a roster spot, let alone warrant comparisons to Hall of Famers.
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again I Say, OL Count Alone Virtually Assures AQ Gets A Uni
We ALWAYS keep at least 9 OL on the 53, sometimes 10. We ALWAYS dress between 7-8 for each game.
We had 11 OL after Round 7. You properly counted the 8 OL (Starks, Kemo, Hartwig, Stapleton, Colon, Essex, Hills, and Urbick) that will LIKELY make on the team but Hills is no certainty.
Capizzi is a Tackle. We also will sign a few other UDFA OTs including Foster who (according to one report at least) we got yesterday. They’ll battle Hills for the final OT spot.
Parguet is a Guard and likely will not be a Steeler on Opening Day thanks to the selection of Urbick, unless of course he beats out Stapleton.
AQ simply needs to beat out Legursky for the 2009 back-up C position and heir apparent to the 2010 starting C position. I can’t imagine that NOT happening.
Mark it down – AQ gets a uni.
by Fats Holmes on Apr 27, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops...make that "...12 OL after Round 7"
Same argument still applies.
by Fats Holmes on Apr 27, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taking an athletic college DT with the intent of converting him to a pro 3-4 DE brings back uncomfortable memories of Ryan McBean and Orien Harris. Both of those players were pretty highly rated in their draft class, even though the Steelers managed to get them in the fourth round.
Urbik seems like a what you see is what you get player. Which is a good thing. His size, personality, and playing style seem ideally suited for the Steeler O line.
Wallace is more boom or bust, but he has an aura about him similar to Willie Parker, who was one of a very few naturally gifted college underachievers who exceeded expectations. as a pro.
Lewis and Burnett may be smart off the field, but their respective scores in a set of Wonderlic tests were 10 and 14 for Keenan, and 9 and 12 for Joe. That is Ike Taylor territory, and neither has Ike’s superior compensating speed.
Summers seems more of a sideshow pick. Versatility is one thing, but not doing anything very well (at a low level of competition, no less) is quite another.
For Ra’Shon Harris (no relation to Orien:), I refer you back to the opening comments.
I could understand the Shipley pick if they didn’t already have Doug Legursky as a short, overachieving gym rat with flippers for arms. I really can’t see much difference between the two, other than Legursky being a little bigger (and younger as well).
Johnson makes sense to me, since I don’t take Summers seriously. I think that D.J. is a more likely candidate to win a fullback spot because his size and skill set is better suited to the position the way the Steeler’s run their offense. You get a kid who is 260 pounds, reputedly a fine blocker, and averaged something like 17 yards per catch as a receiver over his career. That is a rare combination.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Legursky never won the rimington award, nor did he play against competition nearly as well as Shipley did. In any event, doug has some competition with shipley in camp, and for a 7th round pick…why not? It’s not like legursky is a proven commodity at this point.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Are you kidding or are you trying to get a rise out of people? (Are you my dad?)
You’re taking the opposite opinion of almost anyone else (just for the heck of it?). Our last pick, who noone knows seems to be your favorite? A problem with athletic college DTs as 3-4 DEs? Where else do you get them? Don’t take Summers seriously?
Not saying these nine guys are going to the HOF, not even saying they make the roster. Time will tell, why be so pessimistic? The Steelers FO has the track record to give them some credit.
by jason m on Apr 27, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason M, meet Robert Ethan
He defines pessimism for the Steelers. Or has since Tomlin came to power.
by Chicago Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, good to know
I’m pretty new to the site (comments anyway). I really thought he was joking.
by jason m on Apr 27, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
our 7th round pick was the best one? man lol the FO must suck, u know more than they do huh RE?
by tannofsteel84 on Apr 27, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Robert Ethan...so glad you decided to stop back at BTSC, how was the Cardinals draft btw?
Anyways,
If Wonderfilics are truly that impotent to your assessments why did you leave off A.Q. Shipley’s whopping 40 that he scored on the test. Not that I expect you to change your mind, you’ll just find another excuse to defend your stance…
Here is a complete breakdown of the Wonderilic scores from a steeler site called “The Steelyard”
1. Ziggy Hood (18, 21)
2. Kraig Urbik (28, 31)
3. Mike Wallace (DNT, 19)
4. Keenan Lewis (10, 14)
5. Joe Burnett (9, 12)
6. Frank Summers (unknown)
7. Ra’Shon “Sonny” Harris (12, 14)
8. A.Q. Shipley (DNT, 40)
9. David Johnson (19, 16)
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t want to be on the D’s side for a round of jeopardy.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shipley
That 40 is pretty damn good. Football smarts at the second most important position to have it. This guy will be a starter in a year or two, I pulled for him from the start. I knew Mack would be gone at 32nd overall, and I kept saying this was the guy, but 7th round? STEAL.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 27, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I wanted him to be the first rounder, that may seem implied. Not the case.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 27, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…when a player only does one test you have to take it with a grain of salt.
Shipley MAY be that smart, but oftentimes by the time they take the second test some enterprising agent has gotten his hands on all the tests and run their client through them a few times. When there are two results you can generally smell the rat if one is 10 and the other 45 or something ridiculous.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Interesting how these things can work. Any signs thats the case here?
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 28, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fats: how lucky are we very lucky
great article blitz only thing i can’t understand stapleton to me did a pretty good jopb considering he was undrafted and hadn’t really plated before while on the other hand colon basically sucked big time yet again so why we are even talking about replacing darnell with coln or urbik is beyond me get colon out of there put urbik there and keep the rest the same i guess just my thoughts not really sure but colon is terrible that much i am positive about
by billsteelcity on Apr 27, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just takes one injury to shuffle the deck completely
Stapleton could beat out a guy like Chris K down the road and K be released for cap purposes. But for time being, was smart to keep him around and see how this draft shook out. Now we have three guys for two spots, one of whom (Stapler) could maybe play some center if Hartwig got hurt and Shipley wasnt ready to play yet. Lots still to be determined, but the writing’s not on the wall just yet for anybody. Still other unknown factors like Hills, Legursky, Capizzi and it Stapleton can get better given how young and inexperienced he had been previously.
thanks for the words
by Michael Bean (Blitz) on Apr 27, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Whose yo' daddy, jason?"...:)
Seriously, these are my impressions of the draft. I don’t see Hood as a “safe” pick due to the fact that he has to make a position change if nothing else. McBean and Harris are the most recent examples, and they both crashed completely. I think both are back to being mediocre traditional 4-3 tackles with other teams.
Summers averaged 4 YPC in the MWC, or whatever. He was a RB there as far as I could tell, no background as a blocking fullback. Seems pretty unlikely he could play as a pro RB with those numbers, and he has no experience as a blocker. He won’t last until the end of August.
I’m not looking at Johnson to replace Heath Miller, only as an occasional blocker who could catch a checkoff pass if necessary. It’s not a big role, but to me the guy seems better suited to fill it than anyone else they drafted.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how many yards per carry did Willie Parker average in college?
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Summers is more than a RB
He is a special teams beast. I wouldn’t mind a short yardage back and speacil teams beast on my team would you?
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Apr 27, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Summers...
Does NOT want to be a FB, and hasn’t hidden that throughout his collegiate career. He turned down USC because they wanted him to make the switch. Maybe he’s changed his tune for the pro’s, but I haven’t heard that as of yet.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 27, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…if you want to be a pro running back coming out of a small school like that you have to get about 10,000 yards a season and score 100 TDs. Summers numbers were pedestrian, he won no major awards (even at that level), and the guy is about 25 years old already.
Fuggedabowdit.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean like
Barry Foster?
"The team that scores the most points wins."
John Madden
(Master of the obvious)
by PixburghArn on Apr 27, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McHugh / Spaeth / Johnson
“Was anybody overwhelmed by Sean McHugh last year? Anybody out there?”
(guy who has never posted here before raises hand)
Yes, some of us were. Football is a game of blocking and tackling, and as you know there are a lot of us Steelers fans who appreciate these things and look for them on game day. For some of us it was a big deal to see McHugh putting in some solid blocking.
Despite his hands and ability as a receiver, Spaeth is a major liability for our offense any time he is asked to block. If you have a copy of the Super Bowl you can see some prime examples of him holding, diving on a defender’s legs from behind, and getting thrown aside. He simply has no strength and gets no leverage whatsoever. At times Chike Okeafor just ignores Spaeth as he flows to the ball, the ultimate insult for a blocking player.
McHugh was a breath of fresh air and it seems he has been re-signed because people started to notice inside the team. Honestly, I have rooted for Spaeth like I rooted for Kranchick and all the other TEs with “upside who will work on his blocking”, but Spaeth is perhaps the worst we have ever had. He is awful. And unfortunately our offense calls for a mix. We are Pittsburgh, not Philadelphia.
Personally, I think if we want to rank in the top half of the league again in offense (something we have not done with Arians/Spaeth/Colon), Spaeth has to go—at least to the bench, if not cut. I will take the McHughs of the world any day and I think if we all could have easy access to every play on tape a lot more folks would be aware of this and agree. Heath Miller is a rare talent and his backups should be blockers first if we want to succeed on O again.
by Alegre_ on Apr 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like McHugh, but he fills the #3 TE spot well, and that’s about it. He is a decent blocker in the I- but not great, and he has okay hands and separation, but not great. He’ll never supplant a decent #2 TE, and shouldn’t be a full-time FB. He is a much better blocker than spaethy at the line, but not as good at getting open and getting the ball.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
>not as good at getting open and getting the ball
Oh, he’s not even close. Spaeth has very good hands and can get open. It just doesn’t matter because he is such a hindrance by his blocking that his pass-catching is irrelevant. Blocking for our TEs is the equivalent of holding the point of attack for our OLBs: you’ve got to do that first or your pass rush ability doesn’t matter. If we kept OLBs who failed in that regard, we’d be one step closer to having the #22 defense just like we have the #22 offense. It’s important.
>He’ll never supplant a decent #2 TE,
He is a decent #2 TE…ours!
by Alegre_ on Apr 27, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Great write up, great follow up comments. I just found this site and love it already. I like the draft. Like most, I was hoping for Mack at 32 or thought maybe we shoulda gone for Britton, but in the end, the front office knows exactly what they’re doing. A couple guys will have some immediate impact and add a couple more to the list down the road when our staff gets through coaching them and maturing them. As usual, nothing flashy, but ultimately effective. Let’s go get #7!
by jharmon64 on Apr 27, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...shake..
I just brought up Lewis’ and Burnett’s scores because Blitz mentioned them as being “smart” (as opposed to being fast and athletic). I did mention Shipley’s score in another thread (and renamed him I.Q. Shipley), but that doesn’t change the fact that he is a virtual twin of Legursky. Thalidomide twins with no arms…:).
Cards had the best draft in the league by virtue of getting Chris Wells with the #31 overall pick, I thought. Wells is going to be huge, and have an immediate impact. In my books he is way ahead of where Mendenhall was a year ago, and he is even younger than Rashard was on draft day.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha, i know you brought it up, just bustin your balls
I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!
by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahahahaha!!!
You hear that everybody: robert ethan thinks the Cards “had the best draft in the league.”
Well, color me surprised. And this assessment is coming from the most objective, revered talent evaluator on the internet.
I guess we should just give them one of our extra Superbowl rings now and let them get us back later.
You make me laugh!
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
..this is a crappy draft. Tyson Jackson at #3 overall? He is barely average at what he does. Wells was the best player in the first round, and there wasn’t much after that.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than Crabtree? I don’t subscribe to that hocus-pocus. Most folks think Moreno was better, heck the people getting paid very well (named Bill Polian) thought Brown (or whomever those chose over Wells) was a better running back.
Do you think Polian doesn’t know talent?
by Chicago Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…Crabtree is a jerk. He has Hotshot Wide Receiver Syndrome. See…. Braylon Edwards, Terrel Owens, Plaxico Burress, Charles Rogers, the young Randy Moss and a host of others too numerous to mention.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I recall none of those guys ever helped a team win a super bowl either.
Oh wait.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…Myehhh….they get passed around like the Queen of Spades in a game of Hearts before they happen to end up in the same place at the same time as a SB team.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, Plaxico had to go through about 4 teams first.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…Plax is probably the least offensive of the bunch, but he has his moments.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I can’t believe the Tyson Jackson comment. At 3rd overall he was taken pretty high, but barely average? If he comes in and anchors a 3-4 line like his skillset leads one to believe he can… I just don’t know. He’s not Julius Peppers, but come on. Not every guy has to get to the QB at DE.
by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 28, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t necessarily disagree here, but one pick does not a draft make.
by tkired on Apr 28, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, are you honestly saying that Beanie Wells was the only first round talent in the entire draft?
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just think he was the best player available in the draft. I think he will start right away and be successful. A workhorse running back dictates games as much as any position player, with the possible exception of a QB. But QBs take a lot longer to develop to the point that they can dominate. Ryan and Flacco were the first in years to step right in as starters, and both were no better than middle of the pack in the league overall. Flacco could just as easily disappear this year as get better. Right behind (or equal to) RB in bang for your buck from the get go, are probably MLB. They are in on almost every play to a fair degree. If I was drafting from scratch, I would take either Wells or his OSU teammate James Laurinaitis, first overall.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First, how many games did your workhorse RB miss last year, and maybe more importantly how many times did injuries cause him to virtually disappear?
Answer: enough that 30 teams (including 2 who took a running back) decided to pass on him.
Second, I hate to do this because it makes me sound like a total homer and your going to get me on some technicality about him not starting week 1 or 2), but Roethlisberger went 15-1 as a rookie starter and went to the AFC Championship game.
And finally, would you really have taken Laurinaitis over Curry. Weren’t you the one citing draft boards before and saying how the Steelers reached on Hood. Please show me 1 draft board that has Laurinaitis over Curry. No show me one draft board that has Laurinaitis within 20 spots of Curry.
Time to zip up because me thinks your buckeye is showing
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…I never said that the Steelers “reached on Hood”. I have no problem with him as their top pick. I just said that I would have taken Britton instead, since he was rated about the same and filled a position of greater need. For the same reason, I would have taken Britton ahead of Laurinaitis, who was also available at the time. Steelers don’t need a MLB very badly. But if I was starting from SCRATCH, with no holes to fill (or every hole to fill), I would take Wells or Laurinaitis out of all the players available.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry is more of an outside rush linebacker. He probably won’t play every down for a couple of years. Laurinaitis, I think, can step right in and rack up 150 tackles or so along with his pass coverage. Like Mayo, Willis, Poszluzny, Ryans, Hawk, etc. in recent times.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then I suppose it would be safe to assume that the Rams had the best draft with their choice of tackle (a position which also isn’t a bad way to start a team, see Jaguars) and the best (or second best) player in the draft, according to you.
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…again, these players aren’t being taken FROM SCRATCH. I don’t know much about the Rams, how the players they drafted will fit in, and how soon they will be expected to start.
I do know that Wells lands in the perfect situation in Arizona. James wants out, Hightower was a bandaid solution, the passing attack is deadly, the coaching is top notch…yada…yada..yada. That is a big part of the reason why I see him as having the biggest early impact. He may be broken down and burnt out at 30, when the QBs and O linemen are just hitting their prime, but what he contributed in the 10 years will match or exceed anything the other guys manage over a longer period of time.
by robert ethan on Apr 27, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, fair enough, but 10 years is quite a stretch, given that I am not sure he was even able to play 10 games last year.
But all in all, it was a quality pick up by the Cards that really could be a great one if he comes anywhere close to the quality of production that you are projecting.
Arizona did have a good draft. On top of Wells, I do like the Johnson & Johnson duo they pick up in the 3rd and 5th respectively.
by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say I’m curious robert_ethan why you don’t have a job with 30 NFL teams, given that they all dropped the ball on the draft and your beloved cardinals did not.
Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.
by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Aside the obvious pick
I love the Wallace, Burnett, Summers, and Shipley picks. I can’t believe Shipley fell to the 7th. He could have been taken a lot higher than that, and to cap it off, he’s a local kid who grew up loving the Black and Gold, and now he’s living the dream.
It's true what they say...Even the NFL's Big Wigs hate the Steelers. On the plus side, I can now tell my future grand kids about Hines Ward and how the NFL made rules because of him. Roger Goodell, you make me sick.
by HighSchoolSteeler on Apr 27, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A very good draft
This draft addressed all of the main team needs: power blocking/running; DL talent and depth; OL talent and depth; wide receiver competition and depth; cornerback depth; special teams. I would have preferred Britton over Hood but Hood has all the physical tools and Steeler quality intangibles to be an immediate part-time contributor and long-time starter. Colbert has not missed on a first-rounder and he most likely didn’t with this pick either. Kudos to badmaafala for picking him a long time ago and a big thank you to Indianapolis for passing on a guy who could have helped them immediately, probably to a much greater degree than he will help the Steelers right off the bat.
I think six of the nine guys will end up on the 53-man roster: Hood (for Eason), Urbik (for Parquet), Wallace (over Baker/Nance/Brandon Williams), Lewis and Burnett (over Bryant, Madison, Roy Lewis and Ratliff, although Burnett might have to make it as a returner) and Summers (over Davis). Johnson has a chance to beat out either McHugh or Spaeth because of his blocking ability on the line, or battle with Summers to beat out Davis for the FB spot. Harris has to be hoping he does enough to make it to the practice roster (basically replacing Orpheus Roye). The d-line active backups have to be good enough to play a few downs right off the bat and that’s expecting too much of a sixth-rounder. Stapleton as the likely backup guard/center will probably keep Shipley on the practice roster this year. Long term, Shipley could be the next starter. The Cardinals had undrafted free agent Lyle Sendlein as their starting center in the Super Bowl and Quigley might end up doing the same. You never know what can happen. Hartwig was beaten up by the end of last season and has had injuries in the past.
Wallace has great potential but he has to show he can catch the ball on offense and hold onto the ball on returns. That’s never a sure thing and he was not known for having great hands in college. Pure speed by itself is over-rated and there is plenty of competition for the return spot with Burnett, Stefan Logan and Brandon Williams. That’s all you can do, create competition and see who survives. He won’t replace Washington as the No. 3 receiver and zone stretcher unless he beats out Sweed, but again it creates competition and depth. As for Summers, no team scouted him more than the Steelers did and they may have drafted him higher than they needed to just to be sure they got him. He’ll get every chance to show he can convert 3rd and 1 and contribute on at least a couple special teams. He won’t have to block much if he’s the short-yardage specialist, which is all he will probably ever be except in blowouts when Dixon or Batch are handing off. If he can get a yard consistently, then he makes the roster.
Lewis is a bit under the radar but could turn out to be a gem. I think they got a potential future starter at CB or free safety. He’s got size, nearly 6-1 and 195 (he bulked up for the combine to get to 208 but lost that weight for his pro day) and just enough speed to hang with receivers. He’s good in run support and a smart player. In a couple years he could be a legitimate 205-pounder with great range to play safety. You have to like his chances with Tomlin, Lebeau and Ray Horton tutoring him every day, along with Townsend and New Orleans workout buddy Ike Taylor. One of the best footnotes about the draft is that Lewis and Wallace were teammates in Pop Warner and high school and even planned to go to Oregon State together, then ended up being drafted by the same NFL team in the same round. You know they’ll be pushing and supporting each other at camp.
The most important guy in the draft at least in the short term is Urbik because he has the best chance to start and immediately contribute to a better running game. There’s still very little depth at the guard position even with his addition so his progress is crucial to how this draft is eventually evaluated. He’s tough, smart and huge but Trai Essex was a third-rounder, too. It took third-rounder Max Starks a year before he started. Still, the door is wide open for him to start, especially if the Steelers decide to man up more on the O-line more often. The team will try to develop his versatility but he’s pretty much just a guard at this point. I expect Hood to play in dime packages almost immediately because of his pass-rush skills. His progress will determine what the team does with Keisel next year.
I love the toughness and blue collar character of this group. It’s missing a tackle, but maybe that is a sign of confidence in Hills and/or Capizzi. It was a draft driven by need, not the best player available but at the same time none of them (with the possible exception of Summers) was much of a reach in terms of value. All of the draftees have at least a decent chance to be in Pittsburgh for a while, including the undrafted free agent long-snapper they just signed. Great job Colbert and Co!
by steeler.lifer on Apr 28, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Great write up
The only thing I would say differently is that Hood is probably replacing Kirshke not Eason. Kirshke is much older.
by Cols714 on Apr 28, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The coaches love Kirschke. They won’t cut him for age or they would have done it already.
by Alegre_ on Apr 28, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignore the haters
College awards mean less than nothing … to anyone who tries to evaluate players like F Summers based on YPC, etc. Players are often not properly utilized and coaches/systems change regularly … players switch positions.
Anyone who doesn’t KNOW that the Steelers had a very good draft is probably just wrong. Who cares?! Per the write up, most of our picks were A’s and B’s. Nice.
by Watty4ever on Apr 28, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Lombardi from NFL. com on the Steelers Draft
Guys, this is what Mike Lombardi had to say about the Steelers draft:
“What about Pittsburgh’s draft?
Monday, I mentioned how much I love coach Mike Tomlin and how he understands player development. I wasn’t saying he could coach anyone and make them a player, but on paper, this draft fills many of the Steelers’ needs — and player development will be a key component. I liked both corners they selected in the middle rounds, and Mike Wallace might have been the fastest player I watched on tape all year. He can fill the Nate Washington role perfectly as a field stretcher. Third-round pick Kraig Urbik is a traditional Steelers lineman — tough, hard-nosed, loves football and has some inside positional flexibility. Evander "Ziggy" Hood, their first-round pick, will be fun to watch as he transitions into the Steelers’ 3-4 scheme. He’s very athletic and can run, something that’s required in the Steelers’ defense."
by datruth4life on Apr 28, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Steeler.lifer never disappoints, Questions for Training Camp
Hey Steeler.lifer, great points. I agree with a great deal of what you said. I do have a few questionst hat will only be answered in camp and here they are:
— Can Tony Hill or Jason Capizzi make that big step this year?
I think this is a big question going into this year because if this OL will ever get back to being a top-knotch OL unit, Willie Colon cannot continue to start at RT. Call me crazy, but I believe Capizzi has the feet, size and ability to start there and solve a lot of this team’s ills in pass protection. I don’t know how he’ll do in the run game, but he has had 3 offseasons including this one to work on his strength. He and Starks could end up being those young bookends that many of us hope the Steelers will someday acquire in the draft.
— How will the 9 to 10 roster spots in the secondary shake out?
I think our secondary has gone from a weakness 2 years ago to a potential strength now. The Steelers have quite a few bodies now who have started football games (Ike, Gay, Deshea, Ratliffe, Carter), young draft picks (Burnett, Lewis), special teamers (A. Madison), and young players waiting for their chance (Roy Lewis, Mundy). Tomlin likes both Roy Lewis and Mundy at safety, and it makes me wonder if both have a solid camp would they let go of the underwhelming Tyrone Carter. Fight for roster spots are going to be tough.
— How will the LB corps and DL roster spots shake out? The LB spots are going to be highly contested, especially if the three rookies from this past year (B. Davis, Donovan Woods, Patrick Bailey) take a step fwd. And that doesn’t include the battle between Foote and Timmons. I know people are probably discounting Donovan Woods, but I went to that first game against Buffalo at home this past year and he was the best special teams player on the field that day. He then hurt his hamstring, Patrick Bailey came on and the rest is history. However, if the team smartly moves to try and decrease Deebo’s role on special teams and with Timmons probably moving to a starting position, an extra position on special teams for a LB will open up. Time for Davis to show something or he could be moving out. I don’t think both Eason and Kirschke will be back next year, unless they keep 7 lineman. A guy who I am interested to see with an offseason under his belt is DE Jordan Reffert that they signed last year, brough to camp, cut and then resigned to the practice squad mid-season before releasing him again. He’s 6’4, 295, and flashed a little bit during preseason. I remember even Dale Lolley saying that Reffert looked like a big kid with a good motor. He’s athletic and strong, so if he puts it down, he’ll at least put himself in the conversation. I agree with Steeler.lifer that its probably too much to expect for Harris to win a roster spot as a sixth-round pick. I think if he shows anything he could end up on the practice squad.
— The Steelers WR position looks a lot better now than before the draft, but their is still some interest on who will be the 5 the team keeps (only 4 will be active on game day). Sweed is saying all the right things but he has to make a gigantic leap from this past year, where he looked like a bust. I’m the official starter of the Mike Wallace bandwagon here. From what I’ve seen from his game film as well as at the Senior Bowl, he catches the ball pretty well. I think he is an extremely raw route runner, but the only route he’ll need to know how to run next year is go deep & keep trying to get open when Ben scrambles. Don’t close the door on M. Nance if he shows some chemistry with Ben and makes plays. Sweed hasn’t closed the door on anything for that spot.
— Who will be the 3 TEs and 1 FB?
This isn’t one of the more sexy questions, but the Steelers need to find a TE that they can put on the line of scrimmage who can block. I like Heath Miller’s ability to do that, but I want someone with those type of hands out there running patters. We all know Matt Spaeth can’t block his own shadow. What he did at the goal line in a couple of games this past year still has Gary Russell cursing at him. The Steelers 7th round pick D.J. Johnson is a longshot at best, but if he can block well at the line of scrimmage and catch the ball, who knows? I like having McHugh as a FB/TE. He’ll probably be the lead block for the Tank on goal line or short yardage situations. The Steelers signed R. Powdrell from USC as a FB, so he’ll get an opportunity. He played 3 years as a LB before making the switch to FB, so special teams will be big for him. I believe Carey Davis is history. And to the front office and scouting department, THANKs for the TANK.
— Who could be this year’s rookie free agent gem?
How about OT Ramon Foster from Tennessee? He’s 6’6’’, 325 lbs. and has played 4 years at an SEC school, winning OL rookie of the year in the SEC his freshman year. He didn’t get drafted for a reason, but he wouldn’t be the first OL for that to happen to and carve out a good career for himself in the NFL. I don’t expect him to make the roster, but he could win a spot on the practice squad for a year or two, and then you could have something. I wish we had a better OL coach, but we have what we have.
— How many draft picks will the Steelers have next year?
And I know it’s only a couple of days after the draft, but this team should be looking pretty good for the 2010 draft. The team’s free agent losses this year are B. McFadden, Marvel Smith, Nate Washington, B. Leftwich, Anthony Smith and has only signed one outside free agent, CB Keiwan Ratliffe to a one-year vet minimum contract. I think they will receive at least 3 compensatory picks. Which means the Steelers could have about 10 draft picks next year. But before that, they have to take all of us here on a little trip to 7TH HEAVEN!!!!!!
Thoughts?
by datruth4life on Apr 28, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
loving summers
LOVE this pick. he’s a monster. we surly wont have the problems on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 and goleline anymore.
overall a damn good draft as usual.
by sonofapsycho on Apr 28, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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