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2009 NFL Draft Grades Roudup

Is Clifton Brown of the Sporting News attempting to start a riot in Pittsburgh?  How can you give the Steelers draft an "F"?  It's not just Clifton Brown, all around the web and in print the national media is giving the Steelers average to below average grades and I for one am confused, but not surprised.

In February the national media praised all things Pittsburgh and wrote articles about why the record sixth Super Bowl championship is a result of the way Pittsburgh finds underrated players in the NFL draft and the competence of our main architect Kevin Colbert.  So it's certainly strange to wake up and find the Steelers front office being slammed for a draft of players who aren't as highly rated in "their draft boards."

I guess as fans, draft junkies, and wanna-be GM's we love to torture ourselves directly after the draft by reading every grade and taking it to heart.  The best advice I have is to have fun with the grades and take them with a very large grain of salt.  I will be posting my NFL wide draft grades and will try to keep it humorous, light, and try not to criticize too much (expect for the Raiders of course).

Anyways here is a listing of those sites that have developed grades for our draft:  I'll continue to update as more become available:

The Sporting News

Grade- F

It's hard to have an impressive draft after you win the Super Bowl and pick 32nd. Defensive tackle Evander "Ziggy" Hood could be a nice pickup on a line that needed to get younger. Wideout Mike Wallace is an intriguing deep threat.

 

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The Dallas Morning News

Grade- D

Urbik may be the most important selection because he addresses Pittsburgh's most pressing need. Wallace can provide the deep speed that departed with Nate Washington. But there was too much reaching in the second day.

WalterFootball.com

Grade- A+

The Steelers made a number of great value picks that filled needs in Day 2, including Mike Wallace (receiver for Hines Ward's eventual departure), Keenan Lewis (corner depth needed), Joe Burnett (more corner depth and return specialist) and Frank Summers (power back). A.Q. Shipley was a steal in Round 7. He could push Justin Hartwig out of the starting center gig.

NFL Fanhouse

Grade- B+

Mocking the Draft

Grade- 2.78 out of 4.0

$ EPSN's Mel Kiper $

Grade-B

First-round selection Evander Hood was a good pick because he should fit in well as a defensive tackle in the Steelers' system. I love third-round wide receiver Mike Wallace's speed. Cornerback Joe Burnett and running back Frank Summers were good selections in the fifth round. Defensive tackle Ra'Shon Harris could be a steal out of the sixth round.

Yahoo Sports Jason Cole

Grade- C+

Urbik could play right away, but will likely need some time to learn his craft because he lacks the pure athleticism to make up for mistakes. The bottom line is that this is a typical Steelers draft. Not particularly sexy, but very effective.

USA Today

Grade- B-

Steelers let the draft unfold and took the best player on their board, DT Evander "Ziggy" Hood. A need? Not really. Hood can get upfield and pressure from the inside and who has enough big people? Filled a need at CB with Keenan Lewis though some teams liked him more at S. Third-round OL Kraig Urbik will be a bit of a project. Tall but not overly bulky, he lacks the body type at OG and the skills for OT.


CBS Sportsline

Grade- B

  • Best pick: Evander Hood was a nice pick in the first round because age is becoming an issue on their defensive line.
  • Questionable move: Waiting until the third round to address the offensive line and doing so only once.
  • Second-day gem: Fourth-round pick Mike Wallace is a speedy receiver who could help fill the void left by Nate Washington.
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    An F?!?!

    If you just think two picks were good picks, that would seem to put the draft grade to at least a D-. I would think an F would be reserved for a draft where all picks were bad.

    by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 27, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Fs should be reserved...

    for teams that mishandle the draft process (i.e., the Raiders). There’s no way you can for sure say that any player is a home run or a bust at this point.

    by HoustonPA on Apr 27, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    D or C is more fair

    The “F” is a little extreme, but those who give the Steelers an “A” are dreaming. No premium offensive linemen were taken. Instead of Ziggy and some flotsam and jetsam, and instead of the low value trade of a 2 and a 4 for two 3s, the Steelers should have taken:
    First – Max Unger or Eben Britton
    Second – Michael Johnson, Jarron Gilbert or Phil Loadholt

    This would have been an “A.” In the first round we need starters and O-linemen, not projects on the DL.

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    We need starters?

    We lost 1 from last season. Even granting that all five guys on the line could be replaced, who at 32? The Steelers FO deliberately passed on Unger, from reports.

    And we NEEd those projects for the D-line. They’re not getting any younger, while most of our SB line is young.

    by Desroko on Apr 27, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Desroko, we do need starters on the offensive line. Do we know why Steelers passed on Unger? And Britton? Couldn’t we have picked up Beatty late in second round with minor trade? Just worry Big Ben will be running for his life again and running game will suffer.

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Just worry Big Ben will be running for his life again

    I think the front office realizes Ben is better when running for his life. That is only sort of a joke.

    If Ubrik can play it will be an instant upgrade to our running game. Unger would not be. We get a runner more suited to our game back, and a new guy that could potentially run between the tackles.

    The only way the steelers could get an “A” grade from some of these douches would be to draft premium talent. The only way they could draft premium talent would be to trade up. As it is they filled all of their needs with guys that can make the roster.

    I hate to break it to everyone who says our draft sucks because of the lack of O-line, but our O-line is not a big a need as they are perceived to be. We have the exact same line as the one that we won the superbowl with, with more experience, and age is not an issue. Yes, they aren’t very good, but they aren’t bad enough that we immediately needed to replace them, clearly.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    And a much easier schedule...

    Just remember how many dominant pressure Ds they faced last year: BAL (2x), TEN, IND (pass rushers), NYG, DAL, PHI, etc. The Oline should get better just based on the competition. And hopefully Ben won’t get hit as much this year.

    by HoustonPA on Apr 27, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Good point

    IIRC, we faced top 10 sacking defenses in about half of our games last year. I may get some time to review and post a fanpost on this, but I’m pretty certain that our defensive opponents in 2008 were significantly tougher than 2007, and our OL gave up the same number of sacks (or close to the same number. That would indicate improvement, even though the OL still gave up alot of sacks.

    by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 27, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    What’s wrong with improving our O-Line? It used to be a strength. Our running game will only improve.

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Nothing wrong with it, but you act like we didn’t improve the rest of our team AND the OL with our picks. Which, by the way, we did.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    We definitely improved the defensive backfield, and if the Tank can play, it’s a good draft. But the O-linemen we took seem just OK, not the top of anyone’s board and Ziggy seems like a project too.

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I trust the steelers board a bit more than “anyone’s”.

    I think that loadholt and dukey were rated pretty high by “experts”, and they weren’t exactly scooped up as hot commodities.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    But who was available that was worthy of the pick?

    No one, Oher was really the last person befitting a 1st round grade and he got taken. The Bills took a monster reach if you ask me in drafting Wood at 28

    I fully agree with steelguy99, we did what was best at the time and drafted all our needs!

    BLITZBURGH IS BACK

    by Steeler_ on Apr 27, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    To paraphrase Mike Tomlin:

    “A (perceived) weakness in one area should translate to a real strength in an other.”

    In other words there is no free lunch. Which recent, high draft pick would you like to give up in order to have bolstered the O-line. Miller, Holmes, Timmons / Woodly, Mendy (who could/should be a great example of the above statement).

    Its not the FO’s fault that there have been runs on tackles in the last couple of drafts, and it is to their credit that they are drafting too late to beat the rush.

    Patience my friend – all in due course

    by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Rogue, I love Woodley but I’m not a big Timmons fan. Not worth a #1 pick. Does anyone think there will be any decent free agent tackles out there?

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Not for Steeler money, i.e. cheap.

    Apropos of Timmons, wait until after this season to decide if he was worth it. You could be right, but I think he is poised to become a household name a la Woodley

    by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Woodley obviously seems to be a better pick than Timmons, esp at #2 instead of #1. But, ILB is a bit tougher to pick up than OLB in the steelers system.

    Right now though, agreed. Timmons has not shown enough, he has one more year to prove he was worth it. Tough to compare to Woodley though, was probably one of the best value picks ever.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Oh, I totally agree, Woodley was an absolute steal

     and to be fair/honest, I hated both picks (Timmons and Woodley) at the time – so that shows what I know. I am just saying, I have loved what I have seen from Timmons in limited action, and I just can’t see him not over taking Foote by the season opener. Let’s see what he does with full time duties before calling him a bust or even a reach.

    I’ll say it again: "A (perceived) weakness in one area should translate to a real strength in an other," and LB is clearly a strength on this team.

    by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Indeedy, love to have it all. Never going to happen.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    omg

    any timmons doubters are going to be stunned this year. This kid’s still so young and raw. He’s going to just blow up this year and keep Larry Foote off the field for the most part I bet.

    by Blitzburgh on Apr 27, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Blitz you on board with #94?

    Of course that’s a stupid question but I agree with you, I see Timmons stepping up big this year. Larry’s been real solid but damn, Timmons is at the point, and you can bet he’s chomping at the bit to get on that field.

    It's true what they say...Even the NFL's Big Wigs hate the Steelers. On the plus side, I can now tell my future grand kids about Hines Ward and how the NFL made rules because of him. Roger Goodell, you make me sick.

    by HighSchoolSteeler on Apr 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I think you misinterpreted my comment. I mean having it all as having a strength in one area and a weakness in another. By drafting 1 & 2 as LBs we committed to having a strong LB, though we clearly are letting other areas suffer.

    For the record though, I’m not a timmons doubter, but I’m not 100% sure he is going to be a world beater this year. Time will tell, the tools are there, but last year wasn’t the breakout year everyone was hoping for. I think this will be the year…but it may not be.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 28, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    was referring to LA-Steeler

    whos not a fan of timmons as a #1 pick. Ignores fact that it was perfect time to get the most raw but physically talented young LB in the draft as foote and farrior played at the peak of their ability. Timmons, who was a ridiculously young 20 years of age when drafted, has two solid years of experience and strength and conditioning, and he’s just 23! And he has a Super Bowl run under his belt playing with league’s best defense. He’s just going to be amazingly good in the future if he stays healthy, which he’s done so far.

    by Blitzburgh on Apr 28, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Worst thing about Timmons is his agent. I worry that if/when he does have a breakout year, it will only be another year or two before he sails away.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 28, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I agree

    So many “big headed” football “analysts” have this thing about our offensive line. Granted, they weren’t very good for most of the year but these idiots need to consider a few things:
    1. Two starters were lost a few games into the season (Smith and Simmons)
    2. Undrafted FA Stapleton had to be inserted and played fairly well
    3. I still don’t think the line was fully syncronized by the Super Bowl
    4. Ben scrambles and extends plays many times, which increases the probability of sacks
    5. The current offensive line (all returning) won a Super Bowl

    Other things to consider:
    1. Steelers are high on a few guys from the practice squad, Capizzi and Legursky
    2. Tony Hills has a year under his belt and should improve
    3. Value picks of Urbik and Shipley will be very intriguing
    4. There are still undrafted FA’s out there

    My analysis: Pittsburgh have won 6 SB’s and played in countless playoff games because they know how to draft for value and keep the cost down. Its sad to see news outlets giving the Steelers poor grades when they know that the Steelers draft so well.

    by Piratefan13 on Apr 27, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    PirateFan, but wouldn’t a trade of Max Unger or Eben Britton in Round 1 and Michael Johnson / Phil Loadholt / Jarron Gilbert offered more value? Nothing wrong with a premium O-lineman. Besides, Ziggy will learn for a year and Gilbert/Johnson are better outside speed rushers.

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    The only problem is Unger and Britton aren’t premium O-lineman.

    Colbert was very up-front with saying that he thought everyone outside of the top-tackles sucked. We may value Britton and Unger differently, but I trust Colbert’s draft board more than mine, and yours.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Not really

    Because we need to see what we have in Starks. Kemo only started for 1 year, and Stapleton was an undrafted FA. The only spot I can see being replaced this year would be Stapleton’s RG spot. I think the Steelers got real value for the OL in the 2 guys they drafted, plus there is still Hills, Capizzi, and Legursky. I think you will be suprised with the talent of the OL this year.

    The selection of Hood for the aging DL was an outstanding pick. Our DL is vital to the success of our defense.

    by Piratefan13 on Apr 27, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    No "nothing wrong with a premium O-lineman" but

    every other team has caught on to that little trick – largely because 1st round picks are paid far too much money and lineman are about the safest bet out there.

    There is such a thing as putting too high a premium on any position, if it comes at the expense of all the others.

    by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Taking Unger would have been 3 centers in the first round. Most analysts (for what it’s worth) say you should never take a center in the first round. With that in mind, is it realistic to believe that 3 of the top 32 players in the draft were centers?

    by HoustonPA on Apr 27, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Yes, it’s possible. But Unger can play other positions on the line. And Britton is a tackle.

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I see you're point...

    But if the Steelers had taken either one of those guys, that would have made 7 OL in the 1st round picks (22 percent). To me that seems like a stretch, and some of those guys should not have been rated that high. And it seems highly probable that teams realized those were the two not worthy of a first round choice. Meanwhile, only 2 DT (or 3-4 DE) were taken before Ziggy.

    by HoustonPA on Apr 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Yes, it would have been a lot of O-linemen but it seemed to be a good year for that. Not as much for D-linemen in the first round unless you think Tyson Jackson was worth #3 overall!

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Yes, it would have been a lot of O-linemen but it seemed to be a good year for that.

    As above, that’s the problem. You fundamentally disagree with Colbert’s opinion of the O-line talent available, which explains the completely different direction in the actual draft vs. what the steelers did.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    you'll get him on your side eventually

    your spot on

    I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

    by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Ha, thanks for the encouragement. The thing is, I believe the steelers are very happy with their draft. If the steelers are happy, I’m happy. The only way I would think the steelers drafted poorly is if they didn’t draft how they want, and that almost never happens.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    That is correct, I do disagree with his thoughts on the O-line. Also I was puzzled by the trade of the 2 and 4 for the two 3s.

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Here the breakdown from the commonly used draft trade chart.

    We gave up the 64th pick- worth 270pts
    We gave up the 128th pick- worth 44pts
    Total pts= 314

    We received the 79th pick- worth 195pts
    We received the 84th pick- worth 170 pts
    Total pts= 365

    According to this we fleeced them pretty good, considering we were 51 points ahead of them which translates to approximately another late 4th round pick.

    I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

    by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I guess my point is...

    I would rather play the percentages…meaning, I don’t believe the experts if they are going to say there are 7 viable starting Olineman in the 1st round. Looking back a few years, there appears to be around 3-5 Oline prospects per year (I could be wrong). There is one exception, which is last year…where 8 OL were taken…and that seems like a huge stretch and that’s how a team gets stuck with Gosder Cherilus.

    by HoustonPA on Apr 27, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Good point but the draft is also for NEED. If we need O-linemen, and the value isn’t there in the first round, couldn’t we have traded into the mid-second round? With MIchael Johnson and Jarron Gilbert still there in round 3, we could have picked up an O-lineman and a D-lineman. Thinking we can get a good guard in Round 3 and a starting center in Round 7 is quite optimistic.

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    We have 5 young SB-winning O-linemen on the roster who aren’t going anywhere if we don’t want them to.

    We have an incomplete DB set and a very rapidly aging D-line.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I agree with you that they are young. If they turn into a group of “No-Names” like the Dolphin defense in the 1970s, that would be great.

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    right, that is what you call a need.

    Upgrading the O-Line is comparatively a luxury

    by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    +1

    Great post on need. Rec

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Great stuff

    I love how the dialogue on this site leads to great posts like this, and not to the petty squabbles and shortbus mentality of most message boards.

    by BallsofSteel on Apr 27, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    True

    except that they wouldn’t have picked high enough to get Calvin Johnson. :)

    by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 28, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    But

    I agree with your analysis on need vs. BPA.

    by WolfpackSteelersFan on Apr 28, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    First round starters cost a lot. We would have had to trade up to get a guy.

    Just taking the best OL available when you pick is a horrible way to draft.

    The idea that we need to go get great OL to replace our current starters says two things:

    1. We have starters, they happen to be not old too.

    2. Picking up solid OL players would not improve our line.

    That’s because we have a decent line. It isn’t dominant and doesn’t feature any studs but given some experience liek they got last year and time to work together (remember they were thrown together during the season with all the injuries) they should be a solid line.

    We got better value for our picks then we would have taking O-line. And we got people the Steelers wanted. That is the best gauge of success for this team.

    by Phantaskippy on Apr 27, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I love it.

    All our prospects suck, draft picks cannot possibly succeed. The steelers have serious holes, will be awful this year. Keep pouring it on you small-pricked pundits, give the steelers more incentive.

    This is going to be funny in two years. You never learn. Colbert is smarter than you. That said, the steelers suck, won’t even win division, not even 8-8. No picks will make the team. Tomlin is a lousy coach. Lebeau is an idiot.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Didn't all the news outlets say that last year?

    Our schedule combined with our age on the defensive line and offensive line weaknesses, the Browns were going to overtake us in the standings… Yah… that happened.

    by Piratefan13 on Apr 27, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    You mean we didn't finsh the season 8-8

    and third in the AFC North? Really?

    Nothing I like better than seeing a bunch of “experts” get shown up by their annual version of “whack-a-mole”.

    My heros have always been Steelers...

    by wozzle on Apr 27, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    If I was a Browns fan I'd sue...

    …for mental anguish. The so-called “experts” had them winning the division and going deep in the playoffs. Probably had all those Brownie fans high-fiving themselves and all in a tizzy.

    by Piratefan13 on Apr 27, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Who else were they supposed to pick @ 32?

    Am I wrong or were the Unger and Britton the only 2 possible 1st Round OL prospects left at that point…? Isn’t it very possible that the FO didn’t rate these guys as high as the guys already drafted and decided to move in a different direction. The DL was also a need position.

    I can see the argument that they should have gone OL if Oher, Mack, etc. were all still there too. But there really only 2 OL choices at that point. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

    by HoustonPA on Apr 27, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Houston, I think we could have done it this way:

    First – Max Unger or Eben Britton
    Second – Michael Johnson, Jarron Gilbert or Phil Loadholt

    That way we get a premium O-lineman and still help out the DL in round 2. The trade for two #3s took us out of the running for some good players.

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I’d contend that everyone we took in the 3rd round was a “good player”.

    Britton and Unger would have been bigger reaches than anyone else we took in the draft.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    LA your buying into the OL weakness too much

    Offensive lines take time to gell together and play in synchronization. I’d say look to our line improving this year, plus the addition of 2 bruising backs Mendenhall and Frank “The Tank,” our running game will return to the fold. I never though Parker could be the type of runner that could carry the load. As far as the sacks go, attribute Ben for at least a quarter of them. The penalties and mental mistakes should be much less this year as the line improves.

    by Piratefan13 on Apr 27, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    PirateFan, I don’t think the O-line is the bruising, mauling bunch of guys we had who could open up huge holes for RBs that we’ve had in the past. That is correct.

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I agree with you there LA

    But again, there should be marked improvement in that area this year.

    by Piratefan13 on Apr 27, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Of the players that we had on the line in the past, how many were 1st-2nd rounders? Were those lines created and honed or were they players that we felt we could plug in and they could make an impact right away?

    We just went through the 2nd stage of the off season draft. The High Visibility free agents that make themselves available right after the SB for big contacts stage is over. The college draft is over. Now we have the stage where all of the undrafted and released players are now available and will be calling the Steelers to see if room is going to be there. Think some sturdy O-linemen that we have been aware of for the past few years will be calling?

    by StinkBomb on Apr 27, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Not to mention

    but the Steelers are usually picking late in the 1st round when all of those “premier” lineman are already gone.

    by Piratefan13 on Apr 27, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Do we really need to bring up Gilbert anymore?

    If he is what you think he is chances are we wouldn’t of traded the second round pick away when he was still on the board then. I never bought into his hype. Even with us drafting a d-linemen in the first, if he was as good as advertised, we’d of taken him. Need proof? Two linebackers back to back two years ago. This guy was OVERRATED based on the fact he can jump out of the shallow end of a swimming pool. Come on, I saw what he could do, towards the end of the draft build up, I even didn’t dislike the idea of picking him, but the facts are there, he wasn’t worth a first round pick.

    by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 27, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Talk about trying to up the view count on your site

    just like the dork on pro-football weekly. a great way to up the ‘views’ of your site is to trash the Steelers.

    My opinion on the matter anyway – an F is just so ridiculous it can’t be taken seriously.

    by 703Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    lol pretty much

    but for a sporting news ‘columnist’, thats pretty weak. A random blog, I can see. But sheesh, who let that go to ‘print’.

    by Blitzburgh on Apr 27, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    good point

    I missed that it was from ‘The Sporting News’ – that is messed up. I just assumed it was some guy like florio (Sp?)

    by 703Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Same thing in hockey. Best way to get revenue is to job Sid on the penguins. Instant hits, the play is getting old though, and the sid is lousy argument is looking pretty stale at this point.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I love listening to the

    Pens-Flyers broadcasts on Versus, only to hear how Mike Richards is the “prototypical captain” 13 times a game.

    Meanwhile that obviously inferior captain for Pittsburgh just led his team to the second round.

    by Desroko on Apr 27, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Thepensblog had one of the most hysterical posts ever regarding mikey.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Mike Floriolol

    Man that guy is a hack.

    by BallsofSteel on Apr 27, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I’m going to go with “sack”.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Pretty funny

    Who here thinks that Coach T is going to find a copy of the Sporting News draft edition to leave lying around the lockerroom for when the rooks come in.

    by SteelerBuddha on Apr 27, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Yup, generating ad revs is

    so much easier when you create anger or disbelief. But then, The Sporting News ain’t what it used to be.

    Hell, as far as I’m concerned we’re still trying to evaluate how good the 2007 draft was.

    My heros have always been Steelers...

    by wozzle on Apr 27, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Two standouts

    in Timmons and Woodley, two more starters in Sepulveda and Gay, and contributors in Spaeth and Baker (maybe) is the early call for me. That’s a pretty good draft as far as I’m concerned.

    by Desroko on Apr 27, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Low grade is deserved.......

    I like getting Hood at 1.32, as I did not think he was going to be there. Further, with Mack off the board (and Wood), I was really perplexed as to which way I wantd them to go. However, with that said, to not draft an OL on day 1, and only 1 through the first 6 rounds is questionable to say the least! I also wonder about Urbik! Robinson, Johnson, Levitre, and Lang were all G prospects that most mock/draft gurus had rated higher than Urbik. If those guys lasted into the 5th, I wonder how longer Urbik would have stayed on the board.

    Man, next year at this time we are going to be in a tough position, sign the members of a weak OL, tender another LT to a $8m+ contract or possibly go into the draft having to draft OL.

    Outside of the first round we had not been making good choices (in the last few years), I hope the CBs and Summers and Wallace don’t dissappoint, but as a whole I was hoping this draft would have gone a whole lot different.

    I’ll be interested to see if Unger, Robinson, Johnson, Meredith, Caldwell, Britton or Beatty play this year.

    by imike29 on Apr 27, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    So why don’t we just mortgage our future and trade up next year and get the top two tackles?

    As much as I don’t think our O-Line is nearly as bad as the National Media likes to pretend it is, there are days when I would be willing to do that to shut everyone up.

    I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

    by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I think it is bad,

    but as I’ve said before, it’s not that big a problem compared to, say the D-line. Those guys are all fantastic, and all well north of 30. Lose one of them and it’s a big hit. Lose an O-lineman, and we slot in the next mediocre guy and the quality of play stays pretty much the same.

    by Desroko on Apr 27, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I agree,

    I was really kidding about the whole idea, although I know there are some folks who would love to do just the very thing.

    I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

    by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    They should apply for jobs working with the Raiders FO

    by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    That’s the real problem. Who the hell were the steelers supposed to take at their position? No players available where they were that could guaranteed come in and start. So why draft more OL just so they can maybe make the roster? Silly.

    The steelers did the right thing this draft.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    O-Line worries

    I share your worry about the O-line, especially with the deals that Max Starks has been commanding over the past two years. I don’t think he is worth top money, but we don’t have other options at the Tackle.

    What I did like about this draft is that Urbik can compete at Guard or Tackle. That should put both Willie Colon and Stapelton on notice. Throw in a healed and hopefully bulked up Tony Hills and we could be looking at Enough competition to improve the line in the short term.

    I am not against us going for a stud tackle next year – but for this year – I think we will be better than we were last year.

    by SteelerBuddha on Apr 27, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    IMike, good analysis, although I’m not as high on Ziggy as you, Steelers passed on a ton of quality O-linemen, it’s like they want the running game to fail and Big Ben to run for his life. Why they let Max Unger and Eben Britton go and why they traded out of the second round is a mystery.

    by LA-Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Well to be fair, they tried to trade up in the second to get Unger but simply couldn’t find a partner. Then they decided to trade down to grab more picks in the third. I mean, after all, there’s no a big difference in the level of players at the very end of the second to the middle of the third.

    by BluegrassSteeler on Apr 27, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    OL needed more help than it got!

    LA-Steeler, I wasn’t saying I would have picked Hood at 1.32 had Mack or Wood been there. I wanted Mack in the worst way, and when the Brownies called his name I was about floored!

    However, had I known before that they were trying to trade up in the 2nd round to get Unger I fail to understand why they did not trade down, package some later picks and get two higher picks (like they did with Denver). They could have moved down into the early 2nd, got Unger, and maybe picked up a 4th round pick in exchange for our 1st and maybe 5th.

    Unger would have been perfect because he can play all the OL positions, and probably could have started immediately for us. At least take over for Stapleton!

    We needed a DL, no doubt, so I was okay with Hood. I would have been thrilled with Unger, especially if we had traded down for him!

    As I said earlier, I will be anxious to see how he contributes to the Seashawks this year.

    As for Mack, If the Steelers where interested in him they should have tried to move up for him. There was a lot of moving up and down, and many of the teams that did trade up in the first round didn’t have to mortgage their future to do it. I fear we will be watching Mack have a great career anchoring that Browns line.

    by imike29 on Apr 27, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Moving up for a class extremely deep in centers would have been very silly.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Well, if Unger proves substatially better than Urbik, then you will be proven correct. But as I see it, Urbik offers the same, or similar, versatility and instead of having to trade-up (and give picks away) we were able to trade down and pick up Wallace and/or Lewis. If either or both of those guys pan out, and Urbik ever starts, then we clearly made the right move, IMHO.

    by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    The Browns read this site !!!

    There is NO WAY they came up with Mack on their own.

    by StinkBomb on Apr 27, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Anyway, I like this draft.

    Going in, I thought DL, OL, WR, and CB were our need areas, and we addressed them 1, 2, 3, 4. I don’t care if some draftnik thinks we could’ve gotten the guy that HE thought was clearly superior if we’d only traded our first and second picks next season. The draft is an art, not a science, and these players are still clay. Their raw talent and college experience helps, but the organization they go to has a huge hand in shaping them as well.

    by Desroko on Apr 27, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Good guys for positions of need. You nailed it.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    The OL isn’t a one year project, so I’m all for maintaining and improving the standard of excellence shown at every other position and gradually trying to rebuild the OL. If the question is whether the OL improved from this draft, I’d say yes, just not dramatically. I’d rather see a huge improvement and a new coordinator, but we went 12-4 against a really tough schedule and won the SB with what we have, so it’s hard to complain.

    charity standing orders

    by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    I saw that SN grade today and laughed. I think they filled nearly every need as well as they could have.

    As far as the O-line, I expected going into it that Tomlin would be patient. I think Tomlin is confident in them from the way they played the 2nd half of last year, and for some reason the media tries to forget how well they played during the Steelers’ Super Bowl run. It doesn’t bother me one bit that they waited as long as they did to draft O-line.

    by mdc2457 on Apr 27, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Urbik

    Urbik is better than a lot of folks on here are giving him credit for. In a number of scout’s rankings he was the second or third best guard – usually only behind Duke Robinson and Andy Levitre. Obviously most team’s didn’t think Duke was one of the elite guards in the draft this year. He and D.J. Moore being around in the fourth was both surprising as hell to me.

    Vasquez might have a bit more upside, but he worked out of the spread so you really don’t have a lot of tape of him doing the kind of blacking the Steelers would need him to do.

    Also, Urbik operated out of a zone blocking scheme in college. If they’re also serious about trying out A.Q. then this may show a commitment to actually, ya know, getting the kind of lineman a zone/power scheme hybrid might require to function properly.

    Anyways, I think he’s of great value where we got him.

    by BluegrassSteeler on Apr 27, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Hmmm

    We had 2 primary immediate needs (o-line, cb) and 2 secondary needs (d-line and wr). Let’s see, we addressed all of them in the draft. Yeah, what the heck, give us and F. Lost our 1st and round pick to injury and got nothing out of our 2nd round pick last year……..gee, look what that did to us! Bring it on and let’s go get #7!

    by jharmon64 on Apr 27, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    B-

    Personally here is how I feel about it. 32nd pick is a bitch. Just is. Plain and simple. But you have to grade a draft BASED ON THE PICKS you get. Of course Detroit is gonna get a better player than we will in most rounds.

    First things first, did we analyze our needs? Absolutely. Best draft ever in that regard. We didnt draft anybody at a position we are stacked at.

    Second issue, did we get quality guys? Id say yes. Our WR pick is a good one, our CBs are middle of the road, the O line guys are great, especially Captian Shipley, and Ziggy is a meast. We also added a fat DT, who I think will help Hampton stay in shape as there simply wont be enough snacks to go around.

    I dont LOVE the all 3rd rounders thing we got going there. And idk why we draft another tweener TE at the end when other O-line guys were around.

    I figured people would hate. Its not our best ever. But its going to improve the team a lot

    by Mechem on Apr 27, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    I don’t know, I don’t think picking late in the first is a bad thing. Look how much money top 5 guys get – I mean, Stafford now makes more money than Big Ben and he hasn’t played a down of pro ball yet. That kind of situation can set a franchise back years, if not decades. Ziggy might not be great, but it wouldn’t kill us for the next 5-7 years; he might be just okay, which maybe would be a little disappointing compared to what other teams got in our vicinity; or he could be really good/great in which case we will be way ahead of the game. In any case, picking 32nd is not all bad.

    by Rougue_Behaviorist on Apr 27, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Good point..also

    keeping those initial contracts lower probably frees up money to pay the guys we want to keep…y’know the proven veterans.

    by SCSteeler on Apr 27, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Money wise its great

    But talent wise you are going to find a smaller pool. I think we did really well given our spot though.

    by Mechem on Apr 28, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I am pleasently surprised

    I like how they addressed needs without TRULY reaching. None of them were reaches in my opinion. They didn’t draft a bunch of primadonnas. They didn’t draft a bunch of track stars. They didn’t draft a bunch of guys that impress you in shorts. They drafted a bunch of FOOTBALL Players. I feel good about this draft. The only problem a see with a few of them is…will they be good enough right away to supplant anyone on the roster? I don’t mean that in a bad way. I know this…there are going to be some heated competitions this summer! One thing all of these guys don’t lack is heart and drive.

    "The team that scores the most points wins."
    John Madden
    (Master of the obvious)

    by PixburghArn on Apr 27, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    I know I misspelled pleasant

    "The team that scores the most points wins."
    John Madden
    (Master of the obvious)

    by PixburghArn on Apr 27, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Steeler draft an F

    I wrote this turd and told him he is an idiot. This is how stupid he is…Dallas and Riaders get a D or minus for their draft and we get an F…but he goes on to say this about Dallas and why they didn’t get an F. Like Williams is a top reciever or someone who did great things last year in Dallas…"They avoided an “F” because they traded their first-round pick last season to acquire wide receiver Roy Williams. That trade has been a bust so far. The Cowboys sat out Saturday, trading out of the second round when several players they liked were off the board. "

    by ColinP on Apr 27, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Agreed.

    Can anyone honestly say they feel comfortable with Roy Williams as the leader of their WR corps. I mean the guy is big and fast but why did he really on produce for one season (in a Mike Martz offense)? The guy has always been a no-show when it really counts…ask any Texas fan. And is Wade Phillips really a master motivator? I’ve seen potheads with more energy than that fat slob. So I don’t see Roy Williams becoming any better (or helping anyone else get better) for the rest of his career.

    by HoustonPA on Apr 27, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I mean it's like TO.

    Great player, but did he make Crayton, Austin, or Williams any better while he was there. NO. But at least he was a great player and you got production out of him. With Williams, he is probably between a #2 and a #1 guy, but he doesn’t make anyone else better.

    Compare that with a guy like Isaac Bruce who helped Tory Holt become who he is.

    by HoustonPA on Apr 27, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    They got a D because they called the Vikings to see if they could get another 12 player for Hershall Walker trade and they couldn’t get it done.

    That trade is the only reason their team was successful.

    by StinkBomb on Apr 27, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Grades should all have an asterick

    It’ll take 1-3 years before a draft can really be assessed. Some guy will get thrown in the fire, others will have time to watch and learn.

    Half the time I think news stories are written just to piss people off and get them to click a link/buy a paper!

    L!

    by Ragnar808 on Apr 27, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    It really does take 3 years to judge a draft

    Some of the day-after grades can be comical because it does take 3 years to see how a draft truly turns out. I didn’t care too much for the Steelers 2007 draft the day after, but Timmons, Woodley,Gay, Sepulvada and to a lesser extent, Matt Spaeth, are making that draft look better and better.

    The 2008 draft looks ho-hum because of injury (Mendenhall) and ineffectiveness (L. Sweed, Bruce Davis, Tony Hills) … until you add the contributions from the rookie free agents as well their potential. Rookie free agents LBs Patrick Bailey, Donovan Woods, and S’s Roy Lewis and Mundy could all make a contribution this year.

    But out of the last 3 drafts, I like this one the best because Mike Wallace, Frank “The Tank” Summers, Urbik and Hood all fit immediate needs and could be contributors from day one this year. I didn’t say starters, I said contributers. Burnette could be as well if he can win the punt returning and nickle back job, but he does have quite a few bodies in front of him.

    I think most of the graders would have given the Steelers an A if they would have taken a tackle in the first round, whether he could play or not. But what if the Steelers feel that Trai Essex, Tony Hills and Jason Capizzi are better than what was out there in the OT class after the first 4 to 5 tackles went? I think our front office and scouting department have earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the draft. And we haven’t even seen what diamond in the rough rookie free agent they will unveil from this year’s draft yet.

    I think what has gone under the radar this offseason are the extensions of Ward and Deebo and what that signals to the rest of the club. I think the front office might give a few more extensions to their 30+ core players while this window is open to collect a few more championships. In the meantime, they are also bringing in new talent and getting the younger players ready to play. A championship recipe for 7th Heaven if you ask me.

    by datruth4life on Apr 27, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Lets sum this up. The steelers drafted exactly the type of guys they wanted. To the steelers, I think this draft was an A. Smart, hard-working, high-character guys. Let me go back to this all-important quote.

    MT: How much are you willing to be seduced by talent? One of the things we’ve talked about, quite frankly, is that we’re not going to allow that to happen. Those are the things you can’t measure, the character, the toughness, the smarts. We’re more inclined to be seduced by those things.

    The steelers drafted who they wanted.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    AQ Shipley

    Just noticed this over on Steelerfury.com and thought you guys who missed it might like to know:

    For those that didn’t hear the podcast, Shipley went to high school with Mike Webster’s son, Garrett. Early in his career, Shipley was moved to center for a game against Hopewell. After the game, Mike Webster gave Shipley some hand written notes on his play, which Shipley kept and framed. Webster passed away not long after. A.Q. and his family are Steelers through and through – I wouldn’t bet against this kid.

    by BallsofSteel on Apr 27, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

    Draft Grades are a Complete Wast of Time

    It is always interesting to hear people different perspectives on the draft. Coach Tomlin and Colbert summed it up best on how they thought they performed…Of Course you always leave a draft thinking you’ve done well, these are YOUR guys. The truth is only time wil tell…For anyone to make an assesment the day after the draft is ludacris, these kids have not even practiced yet. Draft grades are given our to the teams that select the biggest names. BIG Names = Good Grades

    And for all the criticism about our O line. How soon all of the experts forget that this O line did win the superbowl, or was I dreaming??? Didn’t think so. Great NFL lines are made by contanuity, if we though theses guys were a bunch of bums we wouldn’t have signed them all. We are drafting for players 45-53, not for starters day one.

    As for our draft this year, I was very pleased, but time will only tell. I think the kids that nobody are talking about could end up as the best we selected. A.Q. doesn’t have the measurables which gives us a bad grade, but the dude can flat out play. Let’s see who has a better career him or Unger. Also I have this feeling that there is something really speacial about Joe Burnett. UCF isn’t neccessarily a football hotbed, but the talent to come out in the last two years has been impressive…ie Kevin Smith and Brandon Marshall. Break down the tape and watch him play, please somebody tell me the difference between him and Jenkins, Davis, Butler, or Denver’s 2010 first round pick.

    As for our grade, give me about 3 years and I will get back to you!

    by TheCommish on Apr 27, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Mike Tomlin on Urbik

    He’s a right guard, of course, a four-year right guard from Wisconsin. He’s a big guy. He’ll fight you.

    I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

    by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    lol

    charity standing orders

    by BadMaafala on Apr 27, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Bengals Waive Gary Russell

    I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

    by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    I thought he was going to pound the rock?

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    here we go again....

    there was a crack in the rock

    I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

    by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Not the kind of speed they were looking for?

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I did hear he was a little slow behind the 8 ball.

    I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

    by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    They had to WEED out someone

    and he was dealt to the street.

    "The team that scores the most points wins."
    John Madden
    (Master of the obvious)

    by PixburghArn on Apr 27, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    You guys don’t have to be such downers.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I'm just trying to

    keep it live like METHod man.

    "The team that scores the most points wins."
    John Madden
    (Master of the obvious)

    by PixburghArn on Apr 27, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Got ya, crystal clear.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Easy huh

    just like a free base. 4 high balls and you’re on.

    "The team that scores the most points wins."
    John Madden
    (Master of the obvious)

    by PixburghArn on Apr 27, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    one for the chemical dorks

    Only an acid would react to that statement.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    don’t be a base head

    I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

    by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    If they did

    they would get a hit or a smack, then they would have to go blow for blow.

    "The team that scores the most points wins."
    John Madden
    (Master of the obvious)

    by PixburghArn on Apr 27, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Thought ought to cap off the conversation.

    Don't worry about the haters. Haters only hate.

    by steelguy99 on Apr 27, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I'm out of

    material..I can’t talk any more smack.

    "The team that scores the most points wins."
    John Madden
    (Master of the obvious)

    by PixburghArn on Apr 27, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Far more accurate rankings

    Rather than look at whom each team drafted, draft grades would be far more accurate if teams just received grades on how well they draft period. I’m sure down the line the quality of a draft class is more closely correlated to the team who drafted them (for myriad reasons) than to anything else. Face it: pundits and fans have seen very little of most or all of these guys. I only saw Mike Wallace play two games this year and I probably saw more of him than most draft experts. Even if they see a guy perform, there is a reason they are football writers and not scouts: they don’t know jack about talent. Even that dude with the bouffant hair do.

    With that in mind, here are my rankings of this year’s draft class based on historic draft performance of the teams and their FO personnel. It’s not perfect, but better than guessing about guys I know nothing about, which is what most of these guys do:

    Indianapolis, Baltimore, Pittsburgh: A
    New England, Philadelphia, Miami, (see: Parcells), NYG: A-
    San Diego, Green Bay, Atlanta (Dimitroff): B+
    Everyone else: B-D
    Oakland, Cincy, Cleveland, Detroit, San Francisco: F

    I have bet three times in my life, but I would bet large sums of money that in 3 years these grades, which don’t have any relation to what I or anyone else thinks of this year’s picks, proves more accurate than 95% of grades based on opinions of personnel drafted.

    by CarlWeathersMustache on Apr 27, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Part of the pundits' problem -

     NFL scouts use them to plug or pan various players. If I’m trying to grab a can’t – miss prospect for my employer, and some noodnik asks me what I think of him, I’ll pan the SOB for sure – “bad attitude, lousy play, takes every other play off, out of shape, shady off-field activities”. And way too many of these “experts” take it as gospel.

    Britton, Loadholt and Robinson dropped for good reasons – they are one-dimensional and slow. Scouts see this, and start raving about how great they are. I’m just grateful that the Steelers FO make up their own minds and then go into pretty intense skull sessions to make an accurate picksheet – and trust each other enough to follow it.

    My heros have always been Steelers...

    by wozzle on Apr 27, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    No doubt

    He has to be the single most reliable talent evaluator in the NFL. Really, you have to think pretty highly of yourself to second guess picks by guys like Polian, Newsome, and Colbert.

    by CarlWeathersMustache on Apr 27, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    great points mustache man.

    I never question the greats. That’s like me walking up to a rocket scientist and telling him that he should consider using a different fuel type. You can be sure they thought it through more thoroughly than you.

    by Chicago Steeler on Apr 27, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I saw that Sporting News grade last night.

    “That’s what happens when you win the SB and pick last.” What amazing insight! Just goes to show how silly it is grade the draft – until at least three years has passed.

    by jason m on Apr 27, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Who Knows Better - Colbert, Tomlin or know nothing sports writers

    On espn they voted that AZ had better draft than the Steelers ….

    It’s a laugh. Our boys may’ve found 3 starters in the 3rd round alone. Mark my words! We’re too smart to believe the hype …. Lewis is better CB than Jenkins, and Wallace might be the best KR (and damn good WR). Urbik will be starting by ’10.

    And that’s excluding Ziggy, The Tank, and A.Q., who should all be on the roster in ’09.

    One of the top 3 drafts in the NFL and one of Colbert’s best (that’s my prediction)

    by Watty4ever on Apr 27, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Very happy with the draft

    Especially in light of the pre-draft analysis from the boys over at Football Outsiders.

    The entire article is here: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/four-downs/2009/four-downs-afc-north-0

    My favorite quotes:

    The Steelers need players who can make a big impact. In 2011.

    After the draft, pundits will give the Steelers bad grades for selecting a bunch of no-names who aren’t ready to play. The Steelers will have the last laugh in three years.

    by 60MinutesOfFootball on Apr 27, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    A+

    walterfootball.com

    they know football and A+ sounds about right

    I love 6 of our picks, but don’t know anything about Harris, DE (Oregon) … if he’s the “next Brett Keisel”, then yeah, in 3 years we’ll be talking about the ’09 draft like we still talk about ’74

    by Watty4ever on Apr 27, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Yea this Draft may turn out well

    But there will most likely never be a draft as good as ’74 again.

    It's true what they say...Even the NFL's Big Wigs hate the Steelers. On the plus side, I can now tell my future grand kids about Hines Ward and how the NFL made rules because of him. Roger Goodell, you make me sick.

    by HighSchoolSteeler on Apr 27, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    I'm sure this has been said in the above comments

    But did CBS grade the right team?

    Questionable move: Waiting until the third round to address the offensive line and doing so only once.

    Last I checked, AQ Shipley played offensive line.

    # Second-day gem: Fourth-round pick Mike Wallace is a speedy receiver who could help fill the void left by Nate Washington.

    Uh we selected him in the third.

    Translation: CBS and the rest of the haters can hate but that only helps our rookies get motivated on every snap.

    It's true what they say...Even the NFL's Big Wigs hate the Steelers. On the plus side, I can now tell my future grand kids about Hines Ward and how the NFL made rules because of him. Roger Goodell, you make me sick.

    by HighSchoolSteeler on Apr 27, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    I'm surprised they had any material to grade us on...

    I’m no expert, but it seems to me that most of the “draft gurus” of print and screen lack a certain depth of understanding about our favorite franchise. As we’ve discussed in this forum before, they appear to have Steeler-blinders on, and that’s a good thing. I was stuck watching the coverage on ESPN and they went over to commercial or were interviewing someone else for what felt like every Steelers’ pick. I am already sick of Sanchez and Stafford even though they haven’t played a down. They paid the bare minimum of attention to our picks. (and annoyingly little attention to any of the second day activity – just focused on day one analysis for top picks). What I gleened from the talking heads was the vague statement that it’s a typical Steelers draft.

    By that I would suppose they actually mean another Championship draft ;)

    I like it that way. No style points.

    What they miss is that the organization isn’t going to hang the future on the promise of a few…that they’re searching for tough, characterful players. My grade doesn’t count for anything, but I give them an A for getting someone from SN to give them an F.

    We’ll see how these recurits pan out in a few years.

    by SCSteeler on Apr 27, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    draft grades

    I really think most of the folks who publish draft grades for the entire league the day after the draft or so really just don’t have the time/knowledge to grade everyone properly. I mean, yeah, you can’t really tell until a few years out, more sometimes. But, you can look at who was available when the team picked, and try to figure out if there was a significantly better move to make or not.
    There don’t seem to be any real reaches in this year’s Steelers draft, so they done good. Just about every pick addresses some need on the team, in a more immediate way than even last year’s draft (dixon, etc).

    The range of grades this year is pretty hilarious to me. F to A+? Writers trying to make waves, if you ask me.

    by tkired on Apr 27, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    We surely did a poor job at the draft, so what?

    Its true and probably not questionable, we didnt do as good as we surely could do in the draft this weekend. And the fact 80% of the specialists are grading it poorly whats to discuss?? Are you happy with the picks? Maybe, so what? There are another 3869 combinations that would please us somehow and would even sound coeherent, so what? That does not take out the fact Colbert n Tomlin didnt do their best. They even confessed they tryed to trade up at some point and didnt make it. Thats a bit lame to me..
    Personally I think its a C grade draft. Its ok but not close to very good.
    I think they should have been more agressive , trading up and down more wisely.
    And its unquestionable that our biggest immediate need was OL reinforcements/REPLACEMENTS!! and they got cocky just adressing it late in 3rd round and 7th .. maybe it will be all fine, maybe Shipley will become a probowler, thats not the case, the case is we should have drafted highly rated athletes for our OL period.
    I also dont understand why do we need 9 CBs?? YEah check our depth now, we have 9!! WTF?

    I would like also to say to those of u who call Colbert genious at off seasons , u are retarded! Even if u think we won 2 SBs is directly connected to him is totally retarded… We could have not won any SB in the late years with exactly the same roster and FO if one or two little things didnt happen here and there. Its called random factor. If Holmes dont cacth that ball we lose the championship, and nobody would be calling us the greatest franchise ever (just a stupid example) .. What leads to a SB cannot be 100% quantified. Its much complex to that and as most games of life, luck has big part in it.
    Im not saying we arent great, of course we are, we are one of the best franchises for sure, ad we do hold a singular record right now, but that means little for the years to come and I dont think Colbert is the smartest GM in the business neither is Tomlin the smartest coach, at al! I do like Tomlin more then I like Colbert though..
    But so what? We can still win another champ with another below average OL .. or not! Maybe Big Ben will get the biggest hit of his life at week 15 and be out for the entire post season and we are screwd and everyone will curse Colbert, Tomlin and Arians for months ’cause the line stink and they didnt get the best they could n last weekends draft and Charlie Batch cannot lead us to a SB obviously..
    Finally I dont want to sound negative, I just cannot stand irrational optimism. The draft job was poor, the whole offseason deals were questionable and that is all there is to say. It might not affect us badly, but it just might, we will see!

    by setherian on Apr 27, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    we shall have to agree to disagree

    I won’t call you retarded, but I will say your wrong that Colbert isn’t one of the top level GM’s in the league. Just look at who you named in your post that helped us get “lucky”.

    Holmes- drafted in the first round by Colbert.
    Big Ben- drafted in the first round by Colbert
    Tomlin- Colbert was surely involved in the process to hire the head coach.

    Luck may play a big part in all of sports, but if you don’t have the players to execute you don’t have a shot of getting into a position to be lucky. Winning as many games as we did this season with one of the toughest schedules in NFL history makes me think a little more than luck played into it.

    I'll drink your Milkshake, I'll drink it up!

    by drinkyourmilkshake on Apr 27, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Your point can go either way

    Luck does play a part. With luck, we might only have four SBs, or we might have 7. If Ben’s first AFCCG had a little less “bad luck” we would have been in the SB, Pats would have one less ring blah blah blah. A little more luck last year, say one of the many holding calls on that Garrard run gets called, and the Steelers would blah blah blah. Good players make their own luck. Colbert gets the good ones.

    Also, “offseason deals were questionable?” Have you paid attention this offseason. We lost one starter from a SB championship team. I don’t have stats, but that is likely the best offseason of any SB winning team this decade.

    by CarlWeathersMustache on Apr 27, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    Colbert is more of a genius than Belichik, Parcells or Scott Pioli

    9 years of success is pretty good, with his worst “miss” in the 1st round THIS DECADE being K Simmons (’02) … a starter almost from Day One.

    By NFL standards, Colbert is a genius. Team was loaded 4 mths ago and is now better at several key positions, including DE, OL and DB … if McFadden was a world beater (good 2nd rd pick BTW). he would’ve displaced Townsend in yr 2 or 3, not yr 4 … and he’s now been replaced by Gay (5th rd) and Lewis (3rd rd). And they may move Lewis to Safety.

    Team is 2-deep everywhere but OL, and guys like Dixon and Wallace could be the next Randle-El, N Washington, or FWP.

    by Watty4ever on Apr 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

    Yeah if thats your worst miss

    Youre doing damn well. A perennial starter who played great until age and injury caught up with him.

    Thats not even a real miss. Just getting up in years and not holding up.

    by Mechem on Apr 28, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    ….if I remember correctly, setherian, if Holmes missed that last catch in the Superbowl we don’t lose. It just 4th down.

    by betelgeuse on Apr 28, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    He's up there for sure...

    But I think you understate Scott Pioli’s draft skills. Built a team that went to four straight Superbowls (Bills) from the draft. Drafted so well for the Panthers in their expansion year they changed the rules of expansion drafting. And with help from Tony Dungy built a perrenial powerhouse in Indy via the draft. If you could get into the HOF for drafting, he would. Colbert’s track record is great, better than great, but to do it over that long a stretch, with different teams, different coaches, etc. is nothing short of amazing.

    Colbert is among the best, but to say he’s better than those guys… they’re certainly in the same group. And he didn’t have to cheat to get there.

    by NYSteelersFan4 on Apr 28, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

    its a moot point

    It’s about an army of scouts – a true team spread out across the country year round. No one GM does it alone. The best have the best and deepest teams around them – all of them contributing and adding their share.

    by Blitzburgh on Apr 28, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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